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Izzy545
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Mosillivo> Because the two games are almost identical in terms of visual quality regardless of the settings on the PC(barring the resolution that is) all the reviewers have said so. One reviewer claimed that the 360 even ran it at a better FPS than the PCs they were testing it on... Though I'm not apt to believe that, I guess it's a possibility. Plus I enjoy sitting in front of my high-def TV with 5.1 surround sound than in my room in front of the computer monitor on a desk chair.

Not to mention the fact that to pump up the graphics to the same setting as that which is running on the 360, you'd need a PC that costs well above the 300-400 you'll pay for a 360.

For these reasons, even though I'm above the minimum requirements to play this on PC, I'll definitely be getting it for the 360 instead.

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Posted: 14th Mar 2006 23:09 Edited at: 14th Mar 2006 23:10
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Exactly i have a 3.4 liquid cooled - media center 2005, 2gb corsair 3200 - ati x850xt platinum 256 and i am pretty sure it will be running much smoother and better looking on my 360 after playing GRAW and Fight Night 3 i know my comp wouldn't push either game at the same fps, and shader effects as my 360 would hell fear at full effects runs a mere 26 fps here there's no contest (imo).

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1GB of ram, I can get it at $100.

Then all you need is a processor... $223 AMD ATHLON 64 3500+ PROCESSOR SOCKET 939 64 BIT

Upgrade costs. $323 + alot more happyness.

As for the quality... I was refering to a year from now. Then some more speed comes out, cheaper ram. and we are left with an obsolute XBOX.

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Zone Chicken> My point exactly I'd be interested to see how much someone would have to pay to be able to play GR:AW at the same FPS(I haven't seen it lag yet since I've been playing) on a PC... I'm guessing you'd be spending a heckuva lot more than 300-400 bucks.

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@Merranvo - I will still purchase most games on console rather than PC because I'm the kind of guy who switches between games constantly. One day I'll play NFSMW then the next I'll play Broken Sword 3. On a PC I'd have to keep them all installed all the time. I'd rather not deal with the fuss.

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Posted: 14th Mar 2006 23:57 Edited at: 15th Mar 2006 00:09
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As I said, no you wouldn't. (Refering to needing more then $400 for a decent upgrade)

The XBOX 360 is not magical technology that appeared out of no-where. It is just a collection of current technology. Why is that a hard concept?

3.2 GHz Processor (Raven said, I think, that having three cores would not increase the speed as the cores only operate at the same speed or what not... never understood that)

512 MB of GDDR3 RAM


I know enough to say that fancy words and fancy names mean nothing after you crunch numbers. Sure the processor sounds impressive, but if what Raven said holds any ground, the PS3's processor would be better. Sure GDDR3 sounds impressive, but that low amount of ram will bite back when 1GB (or 768MB) is minimum.

I also know that most of you who get better proformance out of the ORIGINAL Xbox seriously need to learn about your computer. Running crap in the background, keeping on visual styles, never running spyware checkers. Ugg. I hate it. Turn off that crap, turn off your virus scanner when you aren't using it, and run it before you shut your computer down.

I remeber when the XBOX 1 came out... so many people said it was SOO good, SOO fast... better then pc fast. Remind me, what were the specs on that one? Wasn't it LOWER then standard pc specs? Of course we are not counting the load XP has on your computer, but seriously, it was not that the XBOX was more powerful, it was that the graphics were downed, and you don't understand memory managment. Any XBOX game then was a better pc game, except many people would rather spend $400 then to upgrade. And there are even $500 computers now that can handle most hardcore games.


@Jeku... yeah... that part of Gaming now-a-days sucks. It wasn't until Diablo 2 that I realised how much space I would need. And it is a lot. The big advantage, I can see, is that on a good computer, your HardDisk RPM and I/O is faster then your DVD drive's. Of course, when I do get around to buying a REAL computer, I will have more then a 40GB hard-drive. (This is just a laptop, and I was looking for both power and mobility... 6 hours of mobility is fine with me trade off is mainly the processor 1.8GHz, and a very annoying MotherBoard*)

*I have a very annoying error happening to me, I have bought a 512MB PNY stick for my laptop, and apearantly either the stick is curropt (the damn ass[url]holes at BBye won't test it) or my computer won't accept it. (This is the third buy of it, same brand because it goes down to $50)

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Mosillivo> There is alot more to a computer than RAM and a processor... Graphics cards are where you'll really take a hit in your wallet.

I would continue in reply to some of the other false things in your post(PS3 beng more powerful, graphics being downed) but I have to go to work.

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Posted: 15th Mar 2006 01:38 Edited at: 15th Mar 2006 01:38
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Don't try to debate that the XBOX 1 did NOT have dimitinished graphix, I can fight you and win in every regard. And don't fight me with the respect that after one/1.5 year, the XBOX will NOT have diminished graphix. Technology gets old fast, and games want more and more. Either dim the graphix, or get a halo 2 style texture jumps.

As for the PS3, I am only repling what Raven said, if she is wrong, go fight her, If I missquoted, fix it.

As for a Graphix Card, if you don't have one by now, a good 128MB, go shoot yourself, I can not BUY a computer without one. Else buy one of those $500 computers and be happy.

In the end run, it doesn't matter about now, but about later. PC games will improve graphix if you put them into a powerful system, and decrease in a low qual system. XBOX is fixed, if it can't handle the graphix, it will lower it. Perminatly.

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Quote: "In the end run, it doesn't matter about now, but about later. PC games will improve graphix if you put them into a powerful system, and decrease in a low qual system. XBOX is fixed, if it can't handle the graphix, it will lower it. Permanently"


I would agree with that but, the question is does it matter even then?

Ok so when the 360 is 1.5 years old pc's will be more advanced then in 2 more years xbox 3 will be released ps4 nintendos whatever machine and pc's again will be dated wash, rinse, repeat.

This has been the way it works for years so the question is when do you want to start playing next gen titles and when is the right time to wait for the next best thing?

You can spend you life buying the latest greatest console or updating your pc, or you can spend your life playing the waiting game for the next best thing, guess it's up to each individual in the end when its right for them. None of it really matters though because no matter what road\path you pick it will be outdated in a few months\years by something else or better.

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Actually, I predict that the XBOX will only release a new version in 4-5 years. Like XBOX360 came out 2 years later?

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1.5 + 2 = 3.5 um not far from 4 is it.

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Quote: "As for a Graphix Card, if you don't have one by now, a good 128MB, go shoot yourself, I can not BUY a computer without one. Else buy one of those $500 computers and be happy."


I have a 256mb card, and it is quickly being outdated due to the advanced shader models that need to be hardware accelerated as time goes on.

And one flaw in your theory is the fact that games get better and better graphically as developers learn to squeeze out more and more power in the consoles lifetime. So while PC games are going to get better and better graphics, so is the 360 going to get better and better graphics... Eventually the PC will surpass it, but that won't be for a while yet.

Either way, I'm done debating this. In the end whether you're a PC gamer, or a console gamer, both rock(I do both) and each are enjoyable in their own regard.

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I think it's hilarious how Merranvo keeps referring to Raven as "she" and "her" hehehe....


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It is a little joke that I kept up for too long. Now even though I knew raven is male. I end up typing her and she... What I get for starting a riot.
If you will remeber the first post I made about her, I think it was something to do with the government, I refered to raven as a she thanks to her dancing pink cat avitar. And... well, the name... Mouse corrected me by saying we don't know weither raven is male or female... I guess I found it funny how raven will allways reply with loud remarks about how he is male.)

Zone Chicken... i said Like (AS IF) it came out two years later. that implys sarcasm. The XBOX 1 came out... I forgot... but I do remeber that Halo 2 was 3 years in developement. Add on another year and you have 4 years. I am bad with dates, sorry.

I am starting to doubt that Billy Boy will release another XBOX so soon. The biggest part of Consol Gaming is the life of the consol. It has 2 good years, then the bad years, but the problem is the expense of releasing a new consol so soon. Expecally since we had problems with moving our games from 1 counsol to the next, He probally has something rigged now... but...

Izzy, as games get better, and more effiecent, they use less resources. True.
However you are forgeting 1 major factor, as time goes by, computer standards increase. So games will demand what the standard is, not what the XBOX is, what the computer standard is. A great deal of XBOX games are also Computer Games, and the facts state that more people have a computer then a Gaming Console. This means that when what the XBOX standards are lower then the computer standards, quality will decrease.

You can argue all you want on how they can make it play better on the console, but you can't get away from the fact that those same adjustments will roll over to the PC as well.


However, I would also like to take the time to make a very valid point. No one really knows what kind of technology will come out in 6 years. When you bought your 256MB Graphix Card, you probally didn't think about shader compatability. Then you needed to. There may be radical advancments that the XBOX will not share in, Of course, any radical advancements will come at radical pricing... and that sucks.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2006 22:43 Edited at: 16th Mar 2006 22:45
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Just read through the April oxm there review is making me even more interested in playing oblivion. They went to bethesda for four days and clocked in 44+ hours playing the final build of the game. They say while all the major crashing bugs, head-scratching glitches that plagued the series have left, longer loading times and slower frame rates in large and busy areas are still left.

Quote: "But to think wishfully about an Oblivion that's loading time free or has a locked 60 frame per second would be to take for granted the envelope-pushing marvel that it ultimately is.
Oblivion raises the bar so high that most rpgs would be (and have been) satisfied with a fraction of what's here."


They also say the main quest is pretty short about 20 to 25 hours but that the game just continues going after the end and you could easily put in over 100 more hours building characters stats, buying, stealing, selling, crafting, exploring the world and the rest of the game will keep you hooked for months. And they rate it a 9.5. Sounds pretty damn good to me.

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Actually, while you're correct on the 20-25 hours of storyline gameplay.. they say it's going to be 200+ hours to finish all of the mini quests should you choose to do them.

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How the hell do they get those time figures? That's what I want to know. Is it running directly from A->B as fast as possible on the shortest possible route to do each task, or is it some random figure they've come up with based on how they think people will play? I mean, 20-25 hours to complete the main RPG quest is absolutely piss poor, if it included exploring, getting a bit lost, pausing to chat to people etc. If it's just head down, charge through all the mini-objectives, dont talk to anyone unrelated to the quest, don't look at anything, and run like a madman, then I guess it pretty good.

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Usually, "hours of gameplay" is measured by how long it takes an average player of the genre to complete a 'level' in a game, usually allowing for one or two deaths, at the default difficulty level.

Eg - an FPS with 8 levels, that has "6hrs of Gameplay" means that your average FPS player on medium difficulty will take about half an hour to 45mins to finish a level.

So, 20-25hrs of rpg, would mean that someone who completed Morrowind (or equivalent) going at it pretty much non-stop but allowing for a small amount of getting lost/death will finish it in 20-25hrs.

Personally, I find getting 'lost' (or rather, exploring the world at my own pace) to be the most fun
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Thier only talking about the absolute main quest. The mini quests are different they will take ages more.

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I heard of this new game a while ago,
Its nice.

+Great grahics
+arrows will stuck in wood!
+Water will be even better then in morrowind

-anoyingly long walks with less enemy's sometimes
-you have to play days before level up...

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Quote: "-anoyingly long walks with less enemy's sometimes
-you have to play days before level up..."
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Wrong, Wrong.(unless you mean it doesnt have it)
Just pre-ordered Collecter's Edition(PC). Had to sacrifice 1-Day air, but I think I will live.
And for you "XBox owns Computer ver", your wrong. IF you own a computer that can run it, buy it for computer. Else, get for 360. If you have neither, it might be cheaper to upgrade your computer, and more worthwhile. Computer ver. has everything 360 ver. has, plus more. How could it be worse?

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Quote: "anoyingly long walks with less enemy's sometimes"


Not necesarrily true for this title thank to a quick travel feature.

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Quote: "+arrows will stuck in wood!
+Water will be even better then in morrowind"


Wow! Arrows stick in wood!?! What a concept! I will sell my house for this game!


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At least my parents aren't alone now. When they heard about that, and the fact that you could ride horses they went out and sold their house, now I lug my computer around everywhere I go.

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Quote: "I will sell my house for this game!"

It's not really that expensive, is it?

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Yeah, jeku is right, arrows sticking in stuff is not a new concept. it is very old and has been used in hundreds of games before. Niether is picking arrows back up new... The part that is more exciting is the real world physics. Which unlike many games, may actually have an effect on game play. And will probally increase the astecit value of the game.


How can it be different? Probally not ATM, this time the XBOX released with moderen specs, but Microsoft had to reduce quality on several of it's games for them to work with the old system. And if they need to, they will do it with the new one.

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It looks like oblivion has alot to offer but I guess we will just have to wait and see when it comes out.

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Quote: " "anoyingly long walks with less enemy's sometimes""

Good. I hate it on RPGs where hundreds of enimies attack you one after the other when you´re just trying to explore. Especialy when I´m low on sword. It does have a teleport thingy system aswell (well it will seem like a teleport system to the user. I heard that it pases time as if you´d have walked there though). Will make transfering my potion making equipment to my house alot easier this time.

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Why transpher potions? You can just kill the house owners in that area and then get a new house!

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Lol but what if you want to be a good character.

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Quote: "Lol but what if you want to be a good character."

Nah. Nothing to do with that. I just wanted my house in a more central city. Where I found the potion equipment was way up north and far away from the biggest city. I thought having all my stuff in one centered place would make moving around easier. Anyway. You can´t be good on Morrowind. Not with all that neat stuff just lying around unattended.

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Alright, fanboys. I just read this on Slashdot--- if you want to see live footage of the game, then check this out:

Quote: ""Gamespot's Greg Kasavin will be playing The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion for 12 straight hours tonight (Monday, March 20th) and the entire marathon session will be broadcast live. Kasavin will be 'offering commentary about the experience as it transpires. Subscribers will see a picture-in-picture view of Kasavin as he spends an increasing number of successive hours playing the game, and they will be able to chat with each other over the course of the event.'" The event starts tonight at 6pm PST, if they get started on time.
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Why don't people just watch me play it for 12 hours straight? It'll involve 10 times more swearing, 3 times more nudity, and a lot more stupidity...

Tickets only cost 12.95... and stadium seating is available.

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1 more day! . The best game to ever be put on the shelves of gamestores, the best game to ever leave the hands of a developer into the hands of its game-hungry fans, the best game to set foot on this earth (like that makes any since), the best game to...well, you get the point , is going to be released tomorrow!

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I'm going to wait till it hits budget!

... or just till I've finished uni.

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I picked this up for the 360, and I love it! I have an Orc with a battle axe, male...

Its fun running around and swinging it at giant rats.
(not much of a description...I know...)

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its not yet oyu here....

its here maybe in a month or somthng...

(does the water looks better then in morrowind??)

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I picked up the collectors edition for the 360 today, and i must say so far i'm in simple awe.. The game is huge, tonnes of different races and such to choose from right from the start.

In third person view while riding the horse i noticed that the game tends to lag a lot more than when in first person view when looking at areas with long draw distances, but the game does not become unplayable... It just would've been better without this.

I wont say anything about the game as i dont want to ruin spoilers but i'm currently about 7 hours into the game the last time i checked.

The water looks quite incredible.

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Yeah its been released worldwide now
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About 20 hours of game play later and its safe to say this game was FAAAAR from all hype. Its like morrowind, except... with more fun... I don't know how to describe it. Must sleep now, Have things to do in the outside world in 3 hours.

Edit: BTW, PC version owns the hell outta the x360 version in terms of loading times, wilderness frame rates (I dunno how you guys can stand all that stuttering and the constant loading while wandering around. I guess you guys just get used to it eh?), and controlability (thats IMO though. I just feel it much more suited for a mouse and keyboard setup). I'd say in terms of looks though, your not gonna match the 360 unless your running some VERY high end specs. But i'd rather play the game smoothly while wandering the wilderness then so jumpy...

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2006 16:04
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Quote: " PC version owns the hell outta the x360 version in terms of loading times, wilderness frame rates"

Not really. It´s your pc that owns the hell out of the Xbox360. Most pc don´t. In those cases the Xbox 360 version owns the hell out of the pc version. Surprised to see the random loading times of Morrowind are back. I bet none of the reviewers will mention them.Never did for Morrowind....(Ok perhaps I should stop being so bitter and wait for my new pc to be able to play it myself)

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What're you running EricT? I'm on an AMD4000+ 2GB with 6600GT256 twin GPU. I know it'll run Oblivion, but I'm wondering how close to high specs I can get.

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You see, thats the thing. MY PC F***** BLOWS.

3200+ 64bit
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I'm running it on pretty average settings (wait till you see all the graphics settings tweaks you can do though, its insane). So I don't have a killer PC that blows the x360 away, I have a quite average PC right now. Of course, gimme another pay check and I'll have enough money to order all my upgrades... AKA whole new setup

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Quote: "Is anyone excited about The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion"

no.

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That's still a decent PC mate, but that suggests I should be able to push towards the top settings ... like you though, I'll favour smooth frame rate over super crisp visuals, so I'll probably play lowish on the settings count. Normally 1024x768 does me fine though, and I dont bother with AA - it doesnt particularly impress me.

Damn, I wanna pick this game up now, but I know it'll be a drain on my free time.

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I dont think its far from the hype infact I dont think the hype was all that much not beyond whats in the game anyway.
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For those of you playing oblivion, when you are asked to join a guild or manage to, post in a codebox how you were asked or how you joined that guild(Where etc).

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My two MAIN guilds in the code box(theres a 3rd, explained in the second code box):



Spoiler to the main storyline ahead:



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Wait... the XBOX is even weaker then I thought it was? Well... that settles it, NEVER buy console games.

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