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Matt Rock
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Saikoro makes Haiku! Haiku is funny, too! Matt just gave up trying to do the same

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Is that my new adoptive native american name? If so, I totally dig it Everyone should refer to me as Fighting Spirit from this day forth hehe


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Quote: "Time does not really exist. "


Oh But it does.

@VanB:

Quote: "3D is represented to us via differences in what the left and right eye see. With a computer monitor, both eyes see the same thing, however put on some 3D specs, and you have 3D.

Even on a photograph of a flat piece of paper, still 3D, because your eyes percieve it as such.

So you can make you monitor 3D with some coloured Quality Street wrappers, before very long, all monitors will be 3D, and it won't cost that much more either - as long as you consider 3D as the ability to distinguish non flat shapes on a flat display - not see around them and crud like that."


I agree, its not 3d, but our minds believe its 3d.. 3D Rendering!

As for the photo thing, I think its because its a picture taken in real life, and in that real life, everything truly is 4D. So as a result, when you take a picture, everthing you saw through the camera eye, is right there in the picture, only there is no time. And at that point, it looks so real.. Because it was taken from real life,but in the end, the photo is still flat.



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Quote: "I agree, its not 3d, but our minds believe its 3d.. 3D Rendering!"


Our minds don't think it's 3D. Nobody thinks it's 3D. It's just called 3D. 3D has Depth Of Field, which means that you can focus on each object in a room, and the other objects will become blurred. 3D passes you left, and right. 3D graphics could be called perspective graphics, I suppose nobody cared.

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I do believe 3d Graphics exist though, but truly 3d... Nope. And why are you guys taking the computers expert thing too seriously, it wouldnt have been a (hot topic) if it weren't for that



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Does this mean the people in the pornos dont really love each other? *gasp*

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Quote: "Our minds don't think it's 3D."


yes they do... dont you play FPS's?

you see a soldier standing behind another soldier, you're mind thinks its a soldier behind another (DEPTH- the third dimension), not a 2d image of a soldier imposed ontop of another, which is what it really is.

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Quote: "@BatVink: No dude, Its a new compaq flat screen one. "


Now he thinks his monitor is flat


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Well our brains can be fooled, heck it's easy to fool our brains, we do it every day.

Some people get motion sick when playing 3D games, as if they were actually moving - so I think the brain accepts what is happening more than we realise.

I have these little goggles, porn goggles but I honestly don't use them for porn! - they take a scart input and let you watch TV or play games on these head mounted goggles with little screens inside...

...So anyway, if my brain does'nt think it's 3D, why do I keep trying to look around by turning my head? - Why don't I always know that it's a flat image controlled by the controller in my hand.

I tried to play HL2 on XBox through these things and it nearly drove me insane - playing Burnout was weird too, perfectly fine with an external car view, impossible in-car because it messes with my head.

This stuff affects people differently, I sometimes get motion sick - but I've heard this effect from other people playing first person games, so I'm convinced your brain is kinda fooled by fast moving first person cameras.

Why else would rollercoaster simulators be so effective - without the visuals it'd just be like sitting in a wheelie-bin being randomly kicked.

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Porn goggles....?

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That's what they were sold as...

But seriously, I did buy them for playing games, not porn!

They work remotely, like a little receiver box saves having powerlines across your house - and these cool little in-ear headphones, it's the geekiest thing you'll see in your lifetime but you all know you want to play!

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P.S: The universe is made up of like 12 dimensions or something, not 4, just to really get the geek arguments going.

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Quote: "P.S: The universe is made up of like 12 dimensions or something, not 4, just to really get the geek arguments going."


Actually, isnt that only a theory to help string theory to success.
They are not even sure how many dimensions they should search for or use in string theory mathematics, I've heard 7, 14 or 21.

These dimensions are maybe too small for us to observe, but the most interesting thing in string theory is THE string theory tiself, all consisting of 1 dimensional vibrating strings.

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Honestly that's what they were called in the magazine, can't remember where, maybe Loaded or something like that - long time ago now!.

Not from Leicester, massive 'Lost' fan, it's the name of one of the hatches in Lost.

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as if its not obvious he is taking the sh*t. lol, funny though. Well acted keemo. Although, it seems someone wants to replicate teh Codez episode...

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Well if we think it's 3D then how come 3D goggles improve the 3D effect. I wouldn't say we think it's 3D, I'd say that we forget that it's 2D.

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Yeah, it's an illusion, like magic eye pictures are never anything remotely 3D, but if you pull out a nose hair and squint right you can make out a 3D image . That's just using slight differences that you have to instigate on your own eyes, but it works. Maybe concentrating on a middle distance enhances the illusion, because your almost squinting, your eye shape is changed so there's no way both eyes see the same image anymore.

I think that depth perception is over rated, people with 1 eye don't go walking off the end of cliffs. When your moving at great speed, I think it's difficult to percieve depth, maybe that's the factor - move too fast and your eyes can't pickup the differences fast enough, so it assumes it's 3D. That's how you work magic-eye pictures isn't it, you sorta squint at it as if your focussing on something behind it.

We do see so many eye based illusions, they're very sensitive and complex items indeed. Speaking of which, my boss has got to have his eye cut in half and a dead mans eye grafted on - that's freakin sick!.

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duh, there are 42 dimensions

The answer to life the univers and everything: 42
Question: How many dimensions are there?

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My shallow attempt at stealing your name has failed maybe next time lol


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Quote: "So anyway, if my brain does'nt think it's 3D, why do I keep trying to look around by turning my head? - Why don't I always know that it's a flat image controlled by the controller in my hand."


Very True, when Im modelling, and I wanna rotate the cam along the x axis, im always getting closer to the screen and try to look up, completely forgetting that its the mouse that controls that. So you're right.. But still, its 3d Rendering.. Rofl. Also I think computers are beginning to scare me, every month, they get one step closer to reality. Soon, there shall be no difference,and in the future, computers are gonna (overcome) reallife.. And Bill Gates is gonna return with 95 and and.. Nevermind, you shall see for yourself in 10 years time



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It's not time. It's Time Space.

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Erm... Its time.

And how can you make your own 3d (holographic)glasses for pcs and tvs ?



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Quote: "It's not time. It's Time Space.
Erm... Its time"


Erm erm, isnt that only depening on what are you inspecting.
In philosophy you could talk only about time, but when using physics, I dont see any way how you can tear spaces 3 dimension and time (timespace/spacetime) apart. Einsteins special relativity predicts / works only if space and time are one ""material"" in which an object can move. Moving faster in those three dimensions make you move slower in time dimension.

Quote: "Also I think computers are beginning to scare me, every month, they get one step closer to reality. Soon, there shall be no difference,and in the future, computers are gonna (overcome) reallife."

O 'realy, I could become a computer expert too, it should leave me more time coding

EDIT, the best quote to descripe my feelings about this whole thing is:
Quote: ""I demand that I may or may not be Vroomfondel!" - Vroomfondel, a philosopher"
from the book of ultimate answer.

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Fine, 3d exists in games, as long as you are moving inside the game, If you take a shot, its rendering... 3D Rendering!



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playing a game is taking around 15-60 shots per second... every frame is a render

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duh, there are 42 dimensions

The answer to life the univers and everything: 42
Question: How many dimensions are there?
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Question: What is the answer to a question that's answer isnt 42?

Answer:

SYNTAX ERROR











...AT LINE 42.

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HERASY!!! LIES!!! I WILL NOT ACCEPT THIS!!!

The computers are ran by tiny litle men who live inside the computer, it's actually the other way round they are all 3d, when you play your so called "2d" games you are actually just looking at them from the side, they are very clever and have fooled you all! a hahaha!
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Light particles used to generate the image you see on the crt or lcd have a 3d mass.
albeit very small

therefore its a series of 3d light particles projecting an illusion of 3d on a semi bouncing 2d plain in 3d space, yet the actual 2d image would have the tiniest 3d mass not visible to the eye. therefore the actual visible component is a 3d lightbed projecting a 3d illusion on a semi 2d plain, since the particles bounce ever so slightly.

mental chewing gum if you ask me. spearmint i think.

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Hmm.. Nice. Never knew 3d masses existed for 3d images.
Other opinions?



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I have an educated and respectful opinion.




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Quote: "he's defiantly from newcastle!"


Don't say Newcastle, please, I had to analyze the features of a Newcastle accent and dialect and justify it into the means of regional dialect compared to a Liverpool one for my exam today, the word is now just scarier than ever

Quote: "therefore its a series of 3d light particles projecting an illusion of 3d on a semi bouncing 2d plain in 3d space, yet the actual 2d image would have the tiniest 3d mass not visible to the eye. therefore the actual visible component is a 3d lightbed projecting a 3d illusion on a semi 2d plain, since the particles bounce ever so slightly."


Ah yes, I see we really are going into the sciency bit of things lol, technically we are all right, but I you could either relate to the light being 3D or the actual object being 3D. But lets just finish this thing off with something like, nothing can be 2D in a 3D world, it would break the laws of Physics (In the context I mean, I'm sure someone will find something to contradict me)

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Quote: "Quote: "u r stpid"
i prefer 'stoopid' for a dumbed down 'stupid', just looks funny "


You spelt "Good" wrong


Fine. So after all of these posts, we can conclude that:

-3D Does not literally exist, but our minds think so, and is therefore treated and thought of as 3 Dimensional.

-Megaton Cat isn't really from Toronto.

-And Finally, Humans can get tricked easily, but dont worry, we learn from our mistakes

Besides number 2, any comments?



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Did you know the weasel goes pop? It is an intriguing point, I only learnt the other day when reading the lyrics to the song 'pop goes the weasel' funny how you learn something new

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I think that pretty much sums up this entire thread

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4. Some people take longer to catch onto things than other people do.


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It's hard to believe this thread is still going.

By the way, time does NOT exist. When is "now"? oops, just missed it. Here it comes... oops, missed it again.

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But you know when yesterday was, and you know that tomorrow is coming. You can't keep track of now, but a second from now? Now is time at it's most absolute apex. It's passing constantly in unmeasurable units. People age over time and eventually die (as do all living things, except cockeroaches and Bob Barker). It's a measurement of when the sun, for us, rises and falls. If time didn't exist, it'd constantly be summer and everyone would be infants. But they couldn't be, because they would need to have adults to do adult-things, and that takes time (approx. 30 seconds to 5 minutes), then 9 months need to pass for the kid to be born, then it needs to grow up into an adult, make bad choices, drink too much, and then one night after college graduation, WHAM, preggo... rinse, repeat.

But in the same hand you could argue that time is an invention by man to simplify daily existence. But that would just make my head explode. It hurts just thinking about this, so I bid you all adeu!


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Well, I don't think that time exists, but if the report about planes clocks loosing time when they fly at high speeds is true, then time really does exist as a physical thing.

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sure time doesnt exist. thats why we're all frozen right now. im not typing his, my fingers are actually suspended above the keyboard.

since movement requires time... then nothing can be moving.

velocity = displacement/time

go figure

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Quote: "since movement requires time... then nothing can be moving."


Movement requires a measurement, and the measurement is time. Like height requires a measurement, and the measurement is feet. Feet is obviously just made up. So time is the distance between objects, and movement is a change in distance between objects, but does that make time physical, or just measurable?

Usually it is just measurable, but in the case of a clock slowing down the faster it travels, that makes it physical.

Edit: Maybe the atoms in the clock move closer together to cause the slowdown? Then that wouldn't be related to time.

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dude... you say distances exist and feet are made up. yes thats true.

but how can you say that because of that, time doesnt exist?

time exists, the unit for measuring time, that would be seconds to you and me, is made up so we can measure time, but theres nothing genious about coming to that conclusion, thats almost as retarded as the statement that started this thread off.

btw, if time sped up, why would things slow down? the clock would speed up with it.

nothing annoys me more than wannabe philosophers

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It's pretty simple. Time itself exists, just as displacement exists. The units we measure it in is made up by man. Although, the measurement we call a second still exists. Teh Go0rfmeister is right. If there were no time, how could we move?

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The more this goes on, the more "There is no spoon" cracks me up.

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Quote: "btw, if time sped up, why would things slow down? the clock would speed up with it."


I was referring to this article...
I don't think I said that time speeded up, I just mentioned planes clocks, and the ambiguity.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html

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Gorf,
That has got to be one of the most arrogant posts I've ever read here.

What makes your ideas and theories so infalable?

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van b, it's common sense. just look at this whole thread, its a joke.

it starts off with some guy only just realising that what you see on a computer screen isn't 3d but only a 2d representation of what it would look like were it 3d. not only that, but he then goes on the spew it as if he's some kind of genius for discovering it (just look at the thread topic "computer expert"). FURTHERMORE he then reveals to us that he's a 3d modeller. so he works with 3d... how long did he have to go rotating cubes to figure all this out?

i find it insulting not just for mine but everyone else's intelligence of the forum.

and then people go on with other such wannabe-philosopohical comments, even contradicting themselves by giving links to scientific articles about time-dilations. how can time dilate when it doesnt exist?

soon someone's gonna make a statement about... well, i can't even imagine what...

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OT in a coders forum, you expected common sense! LOL

To slate everyone who's posting as a wannabe philosopher is kinda short sighted, unless you have definitive proof of anything, there is no point in disregarding any theories - for all we know right now, Time could be made from cheese.

I think these threads need a lot more humour in them, people take them too seriously, we can't have discussions like this between decades of age gaps, really it's like mixing Skittles and M&M's - some people like fruty chewy stuff, some people like chocolate, some people like to believe the world is under the rule of a giant spaghetti monster, and that Wayne Rooney is gonna do a 'Roy of the Rovers' for Engerland despite not having a leg.

The danger with philosophy is there's no such thing, just opinions and facts - usually with no correlation between them.

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Quote: "since movement requires time... then nothing can be moving.

velocity = displacement/time"



time is really a theory, you cannot prove that time exists, if it did we could time travel, however I only see time as a measurement for our own convenience at the moment. However we have nothing that actually proves the existance of time. Plus, I don't want to go deep into it, but if time existed it would mean everything would have to be pre determined, therefore free choice does not exist and we would have to rule out a lot of things and the question what predetermines what happens.

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I'm with Goorf on this one. It seems like people just say things to make them sound like they're being intelligent.

Quote: "time is really a theory, you cannot prove that time exists, if it did we could time travel"


Wait a second--- so you're saying if time *does* exist, then how do we time travel? That makes absolutely no sense. The fact that time *does* exist means we can't go back in time, because it has already passed.

Quote: "Plus, I don't want to go deep into it, but if time existed it would mean everything would have to be pre determined, therefore free choice does not exist and we would have to rule out a lot of things and the question what predetermines what happens."


What's mind boggling to me is how you could come to that conclusion. How does the existance of time mean everything is pre-determined? You've got me on that one. And again, I would say that time would be a great proof that things we do are *not* pre-determined. Nobody brought up supreme beings plotting out our free will, here.


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I don't understand the logic that says time doesn't exist. Clearly it does. The fact that we're here now, but we weren't 300 years ago is proof of that. Or are you saying that the events of 300 years ago never took place?

Am I missing something? There's a reason the only science I dropped is physics.

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Posted: 24th May 2006 20:55 Edited at: 24th May 2006 20:58
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Seeing this thread has gone offtopic, I shall just comment on the new one:

Quote: "The units we measure it in is made up by man. Although, the measurement we call a second still exists. Teh Go0rfmeister is right. If there were no time, how could we move?"


Yes this is true. Time DOES exist. And just like some other guys said, velocity is displacement/time, Speed is also distance/time. In other words, we cant be moving if it wasnt for time. Time does exist, its just the names of the time-units and their values that might be made-made, but they still do exist. So there is no such thing as the present, its only past or future, the present comes and goes too fast, even when you're saying "now" you recall that you said "now"... You SAID now, as in, it already happened, and you're recalling it. And I dont also know why lots of people tell you that this and that will be coming in the future, when it already has come.

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