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Steve J
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John Doe, Firefly, reruns of awesome series that got cancelled by fox. I would rather have sg1 doctor who and bsg than sga

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sga... interesting the first 5 min, but then gets borring real quick. To me, the writers are concentrating too much on a single idea, take some of the infamous rodney gets stuck in a jumper, episodes... lets just for the hell of it have the wraith come and blow up atlantis... certainly would be more interesting then waiting for this guy to comeup with an idea in an hour. Kinda reminds me how I felt when the writers got bored and put a Kull Warrior in every other episode of SG1... "OKAY THE GUY CAN'T DIE, SO STOP SHOOTING".

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Posted: 7th Jun 2006 11:40 Edited at: 7th Jun 2006 11:42
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Quote: "You know, if the doctor has a time machine, why would he be sad if someone died? He could just go back and fix it... unless, of course, there is a history I am missing."


It goes something like....

The Doctor is a TimeLord, and has a resposibility to keep the flow of time in order. Therefore his personality, and resposibility will not allow him to change the natural flow of events. The Daleks are trespassing on history, they open time barriers, and they kill people who would otherwise have existed through natural time flow. Therefore the Doctor can change events that they cause. The Doctor will also change events to keep a species that he likes alive, but not individuals. Also, the writers have more freedom to do what they like, not like Star Trek which has strict guidelines.

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There are also various rules about going back and changing things that have changed - it was looked at in the Fathers Day episode.

Basically, he cant go back and change things because it alters the fabric of time. Hence the reason he can't go back to the Time War.

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I'd like to see a TV programme presented by Richard "Captain Sarcasm" Davey and Tinkergirl.

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"I've told you before, Doc - I don't like being called Tinkey, and me and the Native American are never going to get it on, so stop trying."

I very much liked that concluding part of the Impossible Planet episode! It was quite talky, and they did like all the extreme facial expressions on the Doctor (which amused me) - but overall, I liked it a lot
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Rose is clearly going to die at the end of this season. What with the obvious tip-off from the devil dude, and Billie Pipers reluctance to answer any questions regarding her future. Nice 'n subtle.

Nice episode though. Not mentioning the obvious pitfall where Rose shot the window of the space ship of course.

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Its theoretically possible to survive in the vacume of space, with no breathing apparatus, if you exhale beforehand - so it is possible they could have survived between the time the window was broken and the time the emergency windows were activated.

It was a bit too talky, unfortunately, but quite passable - and I did think something would come out of the pit...

Quote: "Rose is clearly going to die at the end of this season."

I believe she has said she'll do a third series...

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The pitfall in the breaking window was that they were going to die anyway, so there was no point in it. Also, the Program was reluctant to call the beast the devil it seemed, probably due to religious debates, but the title of the episode was...

'The Satan Pit'

So the name Satan was in the title!!!

I thought that the episode was boring, it was obvious all along that the Tardis was going to come to the rescue, even from part 1.

The air vents had some mistakes as well. The ood were being shot in there, but no bodies half of the time. The man left behind could have had air if the ood survived, and the ood could lift the doors up as well.

The only good part was the Satan model.

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Posted: 11th Jun 2006 15:45 Edited at: 11th Jun 2006 15:53
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I found Billie to be rather annoying in this one - and next weeks one doesn't look too good.

So far, I've been rather disappointed with this series - it hasn't been as good as the first one.

Sent another complaint to the BBC

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Posted: 11th Jun 2006 15:56 Edited at: 11th Jun 2006 15:57
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I like Chris much better than David... And I do hope Rose dies at the end of ths season. This last episode she officially started annoying the hell out of me again.

All in all, I do dread there being only 4 more episodes in this season since it is a good part of my saturday night at 11pm...


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Quote: "Sent another complaint to the BBC "


Another complaint? I dunno, complaining about a TV show to a broadcasting company is a bit... insane.

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Well they do make the show =O

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Quote: "Another complaint?"

The first was about the title music.

Quote: "I dunno, complaining about a TV show to a broadcasting company is a bit... insane."

Why's that ? Its made by the BBC - so, perhaps I should send the complaint to Channel 4 perhaps

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Posted: 11th Jun 2006 17:05 Edited at: 11th Jun 2006 17:06
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Quote: "The first was about the title music."


I still like this title music best. I like Rose too, but it does sound like she is going to die. I want the series to continue, but with improvements. Next week has Peter Kay, which will be good. I like Peter Kay.

Random: I want to be a scriptwriter for a future series.

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Quote: "I want to be a scriptwriter for a future series."

You cant

Quote: "but it does sound like she is going to die"

I dont really see it happening - not until the 4th series (if there is one).

This series seems to have lost something - possibly imagination or may be its the lack of action, but something has certainly decided to pack up and go on a holiday...

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Quote: "I like Chris much better than David"


I think David Tennant is better. I'm not sure that a gag every other line really suits the show though.

I just don't really see anything outstanding or distinctive in Christopher Ecclestone. (sp?) I did at the time, but looking back on it, I really can't remember why I liked him so much. That's not to say he was bad, though. I just think Tennant is better.

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David is infinitely better than Chris. David has CHARISMA. Chris had an annoying accent and big ears.

I feel that the concluding parts of the multi-part episodes have all been a disappointment. I refer to the end of the last season with the frankly absurd Dalek Emperor, the Cybermen serial this season and the Satan Pit. In each case there has been a big build up and a crap denouement.

The endings of the classic series' serials were much, much better.

But I am in a bad mood. I had to travel to Glasgow on business on Friday. I didn't like it much. The people I went to see were fine but wandering around Glasgow on Saturday was a depressing experience. I found that whenever I opened my mouth to speak and the locals discovered I was English, I got treated very rudely. Edinburgh is nothing like that. Shopping in Glasgow was worse than shopping in Paris for encountering anti-English racism. I will not be hurrying back.

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Quote: "I refer to the end of the last season with the frankly absurd Dalek Emperor"


I thought that the Dalek Emperor was great. In fact, I think that all of the Daleks should be remade, bigger, and badder, with electric bolts shooting out of every orifice!!!

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I apologise for the actions of my citymen/women, Philip.

I could give you excuses, reasons, and such - but basically, Glasgow has a very violent, very rude, very racist side. It does have good sides, culturally rich and diverse, intelligent sides - but unfortunately you didn't encounter those.

For what it's worth - you probably fared a lot better in Edinburgh because there's probably more English to Scottish in the city's population! It apparently has the closest thing to Queens English spoken there too.

Look on the bright side - at least they didn't ask you which team you supported.
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I agree with Philip on the sort of anti-climax'es we have been seeing in some of the episodes. In the cyberman story I wanted the resistance to somehow get weapons that fired fragments of gold at the cybermen. A good old fashioned battle would go down well about now. Im sick of seeing the doctor almost beaten just to be saved by a rather fortunate and a usually somewhat inexplicable piece of fortune! They should show more the trials of defeating evil!. BRING BACK THE MASTER!

Anyhow, everybody knows that all the problems in the series can be solved by a simple reversal of the neutron flow!

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I did like the ending to the Dalek & Cybermen episiodes - but the Satan Pit one took a while for anything to actually happen

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Quote: "I apologise for the actions of my citymen/women, Philip."


No need to apologise Tinkey. Everyone here knows that you are civilised.

Quote: "Look on the bright side - at least they didn't ask you which team you supported."


I don't think they needed to. It was abundantly clear to me that Glasgow had more Paraguay supporters in it than Paraguay itself. In the pub I even sat next to three Glaswegian people wearing Paraguay scarves. I have to admire their ingenuity in finding those.

Quote: "Im sick of seeing the doctor almost beaten just to be saved by a rather fortunate and a usually somewhat inexplicable piece of fortune!"


Actually, I dont think this is the problem at all. I think it is the exact reverse. The Doctor is now being portrayed as basically omnipotent. Whenever there is a problem, the moment he decides to act (usually when Rose is in danger - stuff the rest of the poor endangered humans), he promptly wraps up the problem. Hence lots of crazed eyes and statements like: "there is no power in the universe that can stop me!"

What happened to the old bungling Doctor that we knew and loved? Its like watching Shakespeare's The Tempest. There is no dramatic tension because you know one character is totally on top of the situation and so there is no real peril.

B O R I N G.

Nuff said.

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I don't think Peter Kay will overpower the Doctor. Let's face it, he couldn't even get a second date with 'Shel on Coronation Street. I wonder if his mother will interfere again?



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His mother is davros

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At least that explains where he got his looks from.

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You can see most of Davros' beauty genes refused to be part of Peter Kay and had to be left behind. Those genes became the dalek and all the bad genes of Davros became Peter Kay. He has been stuck in a traffic jam for several million years, thats why its taken so long for him to rise as Ye Olde Generic Doctor who bad guy.

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The best Doctor Who example was Peter Cushing in Dr Who and The Daleks the movie. That film really gives me the creeps. The sound effects are really good. I think that adds a lot to the movie.

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Apparently Billie will be leaving at the end of this series... Cant say I'm not sorry

Quote: "The best Doctor Who example was Peter Cushing in Dr Who and The Daleks the movie. "

It was not very good at all - The Doctor in the film was someone who inventing time travel in his back garden.
The only good thing about it was the multi-coloured Daleks. Peter would have made a good Doctor though.

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Quote: "It was not very good at all - The Doctor in the film was someone who inventing time travel in his back garden.
The only good thing about it was the multi-coloured Daleks. Peter would have made a good Doctor though."


In his back garden? I didn't notice that bit. But it is still creepy.

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Not to mention the fact that the story was almost identical to that in the William Hartnell serial "The Daleks" from a few years earlier. I think that the second episode of the Daleks is very spooky with some cool sound spooky sound effects

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Quote: "But it is still creepy."

What ? Inventing things in your back garden is scary ?

I was exaggerating about the back garden thing (possibly - haven't seen it for years), by the way - to show off kilter the film was to the series.
The Doctor in the film was human, for example...

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Well, they should remake it then, and put everything right.

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But you see "Dr Who and the daleks" is not actually part of the official Doctor Who series. It was not made by the BBC and probably would not be able to make it exactly like the series. As I have mentioned, the film is very similar to "The Daleks" serial in season 1 of doctor who.

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They must have had the rights to make the movie, so that gives them the rights to keep to the right format.

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Yes but they wouldn't have rights to have a character callled "The Doctor" who is an Alien with an alien time ship called "The TARDIS". Certain parts of it would have to distinguish it from the canonicity of the show.

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Half of the film is a complete bore, as well. For a decent film, you could either see the last one, or the 5 Doctors (whether it counts as a film is dubious though).

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As a Dr Who nut, I have to step in here.

The film Dr Who and the Daleks was made by an American company, after they bought rights from the BBC and indeed from Terry Nation (the guy who invented them). The rights bought only permitted them to make a series of films, based very firmly around various existing Dr. Who stories - the Daleks, Dalek Invasion of Earth, etc. (these are not the correct story titles - just my summary of them). Only two films were made because they did not perform as well at the box office had been expected.

The American company decided, for their own reasons, to make the Dr human and also have him invent the Tardis in his own backyard. Most serious fans consider both to be a mistake, although as the films are not canonical it does not really matter.

Note that the 1996 TV movie also decided to declare that the canon Dr was half human. This continues to be contentious as well.

Here endeth the diatribe.

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As least the last film was decent

Quote: "The American company decided, for their own reasons, to make the Dr human and also have him invent the Tardis in his own backyard."

It was probably to simplify things for the Americans - after all, an alien from a distant galaxy who has a time machine which is bigger on the inside than outside, may complicate things for them.

I was right about the second part too

Quote: "Note that the 1996 TV movie also decided to declare that the canon Dr was half human. This continues to be contentious as well."

At least thats more sensible than someone inventing a time machine in their back garden, and, is perfectly reasonable - given the Doctors obession with Earth.

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For the record, I invented a time machine in my back garden. In my shed in fact. And it works - how else do you think I happen to have become close personal friends with Julius Caesar?

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Philip, can you send me DBP Version 9 please, the one that makes the entire game for you and earns you millions at just the touch of a button!

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Quote: "For the record, I invented a time machine in my back garden. In my shed in fact. And it works"

Cool - I presume my plans for world domination came to fruition...

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This weeks Doctor Who seemed leaned more towards the younger age group. But the Cybermen are back next week, so hopefully it will be back to the fear factor.

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Todays episode was rather spiffing - next weeks penultimate episode looks good too.

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Quote: ""Yes, of course I know a bear with a picnic basket interest.""


Interest? I think you mean: obsession


I thought this week's Doctor Who was a bit better than last week. It was still a bit poor.

I also think that RTD is massively overdoing the whole Torchwood thing. I doubt old time Dr Who fans like myself are happy with canonical problems created by Torchwood. What happened to UNIT?

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Posted: 26th Jun 2006 13:57 Edited at: 26th Jun 2006 14:00
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I've know idea - perhaps they were eaten by a giant sweet or something. No idea why they need a spin-off series...

Is the BBC allow to product place its own products ? The continued presence of News 24 gets annoying after a while.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2006 14:31
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Flappy - I made the same comment while watching the last episode! Way to brainwash viewers by spamming a brand name at them!

@Philip - who is RTD? (Dunce hat at the ready)

Anyone know who's replacing Miss Piper after the next episode?

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Posted: 26th Jun 2006 14:52
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Quote: "Anyone know who's replacing Miss Piper after the next episode?"

We probably wont know until the Christmas episode

Quote: "@Philip - who is RTD? (Dunce hat at the ready)"

Richard T. Davis. He write very good stories, but he tends to treat Dr Who as a glorified soap-opera.

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Philip
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Posted: 26th Jun 2006 14:58
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I think RTD's ego is in danger of eclipsing his writing ability.

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