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Posted: 26th Jun 2006 14:59
Thats what comes of doing everything in Wales...

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Oooh - the Daleks are back!

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Posted: 1st Jul 2006 21:47
That was a fantastic episode.. can't wait for next week..
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Posted: 1st Jul 2006 21:53 Edited at: 1st Jul 2006 21:53
That was shocking.
I'm not going to be too critical - i'll see how things wrap up next episode - but so far, that was THE worst episode of Dr.Who so far - and yes, it was worse than the Peter Kay episode.
It just seems that the storyline is all over the place, and they've just stuck anything and everything in just for the sake of it, with no actual logical reasoning. Saying that, the concluding episode may wrap this all up, and I hope it will prove me wrong!

But hey, it was good to see the Daleks make an appearance again

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Posted: 1st Jul 2006 23:15 Edited at: 1st Jul 2006 23:17
I have to agree, that was a god aweful episode! The worst one ever. IT had such promise as well, the ghosts were and interesting line, and it was a great way of introducing torchwood. But for hells sake, is the best they could come up with, Darleks vs the cybermen? The last seasons ending was soo good, I througherly enjoyed it, it was a great way for the pervious doctor to leave the series, and to get Rose killed in nothing more then a pathetic Darleks vs Cybermen episode is terrible! I know they are aiming it at kids, or so they say, but what about us loyal fans who've loved the show, and supported it even when they had not made it for years. I've bought books, watched old episodes. There is such a big fan base out there, they have to stop splitting their attention between Dr Who and the new Torchwood series. I mean seriousally BBC, get your bloody act together, there is no reason for you to run out of ideas by the end of season bloody two!

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Posted: 1st Jul 2006 23:21
Yeah I agree. The idea of a Daleks v. Cybermen clash is good as its never happened in Dr Who before. Also, well done to RTD for managing to keep the shock appearance of the Daleks keeply secret. But I thought the plot was all over the place. I really don't like the idea of Torchwood at all. Its an inferior version of UNIT.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2006 23:41 Edited at: 1st Jul 2006 23:46
Shock appearance? Are you kidding? I knew it as soon as the cyberman said it wasn't their pod. As soon as the words where out I cringed saying "please I hope not!".

Apart from anything else, the Doctor made a heroic scarifice, he eliminated his whole race just to kill the Daleks, I mean fine, they return once, fair enough, it was a great way for the last doctor to tie up loose ends. But now they are back, yet again, and I beleive it's almost certain that the genesis pod with somehow survive (even if it appears not too) and respawn a new dalek race.

Personally I would have used the cracks in time and space along with "the universe is out of balance" story. The timelords now they are gone aren't patching up damage to space - time, so a new timelord race is born. They see the doctor as a threat from the past, and I'd let that run well into the next season before discovering that that Devil creature that was supposedly sucked into a black whole was in fact saved by the new timelord race, and has been courrupting it ever since, add in a paradox were the Devil creature actually founded the new time lord race to save itselfs, and has been after the doctor ever since. It was also that devil creature that predicted Roses demise, so as a fairwell to the character she would be the ultimate sacrifice the Doctor has to make to beat the Devil creature, and restore order to the new time lord race which the Doctor starts helping to shape by taking one of them as a new companion. It will also be hinted at, that the devil creature was in fact spawned outside of the universe, by the universe itself, just to restore a new timelord race to help maintain it.

This basically puts the Doctor into a turn around, he has always been disapproved of by his own race, he was even confined to earth at one point because of his antics. Now the once alienated doctor, is helping to rebuild a race to replace his own. A nice twist on circamstance I feel, given the characters history.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2006 23:57
I thought it was a terrific episode - pretty much all action, and no real soapy stuff.

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kenjar, you just made me want to d/l the whole 2nd season:-(. Stupid Sci-fi wont be airing it I suppose. Did terrible.

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I did find the reappearance of the Daleks to be quite a surprise too.

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2006 00:03 Edited at: 2nd Jul 2006 00:12
Me, I think the genesis pod probably has our friend Davros in there. Its that or its full of pizza.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Time Lords come back too. Probably bearing yet more pizza.

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2006 00:35 Edited at: 2nd Jul 2006 00:37
Quote: "kenjar, you just made me want to d/l the whole 2nd season:-("


How did I do that, I just said the current storyline was crap, and if I'd wrote it I'd have done it that way. They aren't actually going to do that. I was just trying to demonstrate that with about 5 minuites thought, I can come up with a better general story line then shoving to major Dr Who enemies in for a grudge match and using it as an excuse to finish off Rose.

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I thought it was a really good episode, and the Daleks, V's The Cybermen is great. I was surprised by the Daleks appearence because that is not usual in Dr Who. They usually have just 1 enemy at a time.

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It still made me want to see it. In comparision to reruns of..firefly for the 3rd summer in a row, that sounds good.

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2006 03:16 Edited at: 2nd Jul 2006 03:17
Indeed. No doubt someone will correct me, but I dont believe the Daleks have formed an alliance with anyone else before (aside from Davros that is). Should be interesting to see how it goes.

Its the best episode in the series so far.

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2006 06:53
Ack!!!
I didn't know season 2 had started!!!
*Begins scanning channel listings...*

I loved the early seasons of Dr. Who. (1st Doctor was excellent!)
Although I didn't get to see much of it after it swapped from black & white to color.

The new Dr. Who isn't as good as the original show. To much comedy IMO compared to the first series.

Still, it's a good show for the most part.

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2006 12:40
I liked the episode. I think they're going to do something interesting with Rose (not just a plainole death). It did seem a lot like a "gang reunites" episode, but I'll forgive them that. After all, they're trying to appeal to many levels of audience.

Looking forward to the next one, but saddened it's the last in the series.

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2006 13:05
Yes, I dont think its a literal death - The Doctor probably has to leave Rose behind or something similiar.

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2006 13:09
I liked this half, and the daleks were sorta a shocker... i mean after the line "we just followed it" I knew it was gonna be the daleks, but that was almost near the end of the episode.

All I can say is next week better feature a few good "extermination!"

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This is an interesting read............. The Police fight the BBC over the Police Phone Box Rights....



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Thats years old.

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Those daleks stole my ship

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2006 15:37 Edited at: 2nd Jul 2006 15:38
Quote: "I dont believe the Daleks have formed an alliance with anyone else before (aside from Davros that is)"


Not quite right. The Daleks do tend to form marriages of convenience. I'm thinking here of the Ogrons. I'm also thinking of that serial early in Dr. Who's history (I think it was a Patrick Troughton) where a couple of frozen Daleks were found by human scientists. They immediately declared themselves servants of humanity and came over as Goody Two Shoes ... but of course they were scheming all along ... and then the exterminations started.

Lets go and breach some copyrights. Get in the Borg, the Romulans, the Cylons and some dark Jedi and lets have a great big Daleks v. Borg v. Romulans v. Cylons v. dark Jedi v. Cybermen v. just about every other iconic evil sci-fi baddie punch up.

My money would be on the Daleks of course, although they wouldn't be doing much punching. Maybe I should have said: "sucker up".


I still think the genesis ark thing contains pizza. I suspect its full of Meaty Feasts but if pushed I might opt for Hawaiian.

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IT certainly did look like they were protecting it like one would protect and Ark full of pizza...

Just watched the ep (I love sky plus)... Good episode! I've always wondered whats at the top of Canary Wharf!

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Haven't seen much of Patrick Troughton ones (no thanks to the BBC).

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I've been up the Canary Wharf tower and I can confirm that there is no super-secret government department up there. Its just a bunch of oil companies and the Daily Telegraph.

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Ah - that could be a cover though...

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@Philip: The cylons would most certainly win. They would jump into orbit around the planet the fight was happening, and nuke it. All of their forces would be reborn! It would probably be dark jedi v daleks v cylons, and then the dark jedi would get crushed from a 1000 trilliton nuke the cylons have. Then the daleks and cylons would face off, but the daleks would time travel to stop baltar from the original series from programming the cylons. Daleks would thus win, but be expelled from the match because time travel is against the rules

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I've been wondering if maybe the Master is in the Genesis Ark. Don't know why I began suspecting that except that I know RTD is keen to bring him back in some kind of really impressive way.

I'd like to see the Master reincarnated as a woman. I think a woman would make a fine megalomaniac schemer.

Er. Did I just say that out loud?

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Yes you did

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Quote: "Lets go and breach some copyrights. Get in the Borg, the Romulans, the Cylons and some dark Jedi and lets have a great big Daleks v. Borg v. Romulans v. Cylons v. dark Jedi v. Cybermen v. just about every other iconic evil sci-fi baddie punch up."

And the borg would assimulate everyone. It would be a never ending battle between the people who can reproduce the fastest.

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Cylons win that one.

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Quote: "Yes you did
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*You fall into the lair of the Master and he promptly turns you into a small teddy bear*

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I can only hope rose will be... EXTERMINATE(D)!!!

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I doubt it - as I said before, I suspect it will be a metaphorical death and not literal - especially as she was narrating the opening part...

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Yup. It'd be rather difficult for her to die BEFORE she narrates her own story.

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She can narrate from another time in history being as the Doctor is a time traveller. She could also go into the other dimension, and not be able to return, and be the daughter of her mom, who would also probably go there.

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But let us not go there...

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People who are quick to slate that episode need to take a step back and look at it properly. The story is all over the place because it's a double episode season finale. It's supposed to raise about a thousand "what the hells" a minute. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I can't wait till saturday to see how it ends.

What happened to the face of boh (or whatever he's called)? Wasn't he supposed to tell the doctor his secret? They can't leave that till next series can they? That's just mean.

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The Face of Bo's secret is that he likes delivering pizza as well. Which is particularly tricky in his case as he has no hands. Or arms.

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Quote: "Yup. It'd be rather difficult for her to die BEFORE she narrates her own story."


It happened in American Beauty.

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The face of boe is a closet biped with several arms. He works for dominos on the weekends.

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Very good episode...

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Yeah, I enjoyed that one... Can't wait for next series to see whats happening LOL!...

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Quote: "She could also go into the other dimension, and not be able to return, and be the daughter of her mom, who would also probably go there."



I was right.

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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!


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I watched the 3 back to back episodes on BBC3 the other night and just watched that episode. Still doesn't do it for me. There's just not enough cheeky humour to justify the pure cheese and ludicrous lack of reality for me.

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Yawn worthy, but not as bad as it could have been. The only thing I'm mildly interested in is the magically appearing bride.

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heh, you guys are never happy..

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