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Chenak
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 05:25
If a game, movie or whatever is banned then kids will play it purely because it is banned so it would be "cool" to play it.

Its the parents responsibility to school their children in the differences between right and wrong. If a teen plays GTA then decides "Ah! Im going to kill random people for fun!" Then something is really wrong with the way they were brought up.

Blaming it on the game is just a cheap american method to sue the pants off a random company to make a bit of money and get the offender out of jail.

There should be something in place that prevents kids from buying games ment for responsible adults. I just laugh at the idiot parents who buy the violent games, with cases stamped with nothing but 18s everywhere and then complain it is too violent for their 7 yr old son. Its shear stupidity.

I do think games like manhunt are going a bit over the line though.
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 05:31 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2006 05:33
Quote: "Society has gone into abyss. When I was a kid in the 80's, noone would talk about rape in public, in fear of being banished socially. Now you guys are talking about how rape should be shown visually, and even have a video game on it...rated for 13 year olds?!?
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Well in 19th century a women showing even a small part of her leg would be banished soccialy. Before that they burned people as witches for some minor things. Would you like inquisition being started again?
What you are calling going into abyss i am simply calling progress.

Quote: "We're talking about rape sims for PG13 (PG13 means Parental Guidance until 13 years old. Not R13 restricted till 13 years old) So if a parents says Jimmy of 6 years can play it...
But I'll concede this point. Teenagers only then. (13+)
(I'm not agreeing with it, I'm just saying I will treat it as R13 in this debate.)"

Sorry i wasnt aware of that, its R13 then.

Quote: "Why not? We're talking about a setting made to depict a sexual crime with the objective of arousing the user. If the 'game' no longer is enough to satisfy the user's lust, then why wouldn't he turn to the real thing?
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Its main purpose is not satsifying the lust, it is releiving of stress. He wouldnt turn to the real thing because he is a human driven by logic, not an animal driven by insticts. A properly raised teenager understands the concepts of law and order and not hurting other people. When he plays the rape game he isnt hurting anyone.
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 05:35 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2006 05:39
...except rape is illegal... and can kill people. At first I thought you were just uninformed, but your opinions are just...scary. You are for some of the most horrible and deplorable things in society. Now people know why I play TBS and RTS games. Gah, the violence and sexual content some people want in fps, and 3rd persons is horrible.
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Quote: "Its main purpose is not satsifying the lust, it is releiving of stress. He wouldnt turn to the real thing because he is a human driven by logic, not an animal driven by insticts. A properly raised teenager understands the concepts of law and order and not hurting other people. When he plays the rape game he isnt hurting anyone."


But what about the people that arent raised correctly? Those people become even crazier! Its like the Romans. They built the coliseum to feed the blood thirstyness of their society. They were warlike, savage. You are only turning pacifist progress into devolution, and backwardsness that society worked for 100 years to remove.


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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 05:40
Quote: "...except rape is illegal... and can kill people. At first I thought you were just uninformed, but your opinions are just...scary. You are for some of the most horrible and deplorable things in society. Now people know why I play TBS and RTS games. Gah, the violence and sexual content some people want in fps, and 3rd persons is horrible."

Well rape is illegal because its hurting people, isnt it?
But playing a video game isnt hurting anyone? I am not at all for rape and violenece, as I have already stated I am a pacifist(I also think that rape is one of worst crimes, second only to the murder and war crimes.), but I dont see anything wrong with teenagers playing games, because they are not hurting anyone while they are playing.
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 05:44
It is hurting them. They believe these things are accepted culturly, because the "games do it". Its psychological damage, not direct, but in 100 years, who knows? Read my edit


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Quote: "It is hurting them. They believe these things are accepted culturly, because the "games do it". Its psychological damage, not direct, but in 100 years, who knows? Read my edit"

Every man should be able to have the right to hurt himself if he wishes too. People smoke. Do you wish to ban smoking.(I am all for banning smoking in public places as it hurts OTHER people) It is up ot the parents to decide if his child is capable of understanding such games. I played Duke Nukem, Wolfestein and many other games when i was 5-6. So according to you i should think that violence i socially acceptable. But I am a pacifist. How do you explain that?

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But what about the people that arent raised correctly? Those people become even crazier! Its like the Romans. They built the coliseum to feed the blood thirstyness of their society. They were warlike, savage. You are only turning pacifist progress into devolution, and backwardsness that society worked for 100 years to remove.
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I would call Roman age much more culturally advanced then the middle age. In regards to people taht arent raised correctly, i must say that it is a very interesting question. But they are people who arent raised correctly now. They ussualy try to commit crime and go to jail. Playing games wont make any difference.
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 06:02 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2006 06:03
I never said that you should think that, I said that eventually the majority will consider it all right. It just means that right now the minority think it is all right in public. But a combination of News, TV, Movies, Games, Wars, ect can change that. But if they get damaged psychologicly, then they might hurt someone... I also explain you being normal as you being in the majority. The manority can rise, and in this case probably will. Yes, they were better in the Roman era, but they also murdered innocent "barbarians", and tribes of people. They raped and pillaged gaulic villages. In regards to the kids raised badly they "usually" go to jail. What about the ones that DONT? They roam... I would rather be safe than sorry goes that old quote..


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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 06:07 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2006 06:18
Wow, this thread went from boring to dorky. I just have a few things to say before it gets the noob lock:

Hobgoblin Lord: You're ridicules. Now, I can settle for the fact that you might not be a very ambitious person, or you do not feel fulfilled in life, but to each his own. But what you're saying just doesn't make sense. If you're a entry level artist/musician in the city then you settle for anything and everything. If nobody knows your name, and some guy comes to you and offers you a huge recording contract to make music you hate? Guess what, you take it.

Lets not ride on pride here and say "Well I wouldn't reduce myself to doing etc etc" because chances are we're not Da Vinci. You are given a chance to finally express your creativity and change the way players experiance a game. Your statment just shows how little passion you have for game making, which is what struck me as odd as this IS a game making forum.

And lastly, this whole "control" argument you guys have going is cheese. I am 16 years old, I don't need anyone telling me when I can have sex, what videogames I can buy, and what's bad for me, because I am a self-conscious person and chances are I know more about video-game effects and teenage psychology then any politician or lawyer.

This whole "Don't sell to minors" crap really ticks me off, as I been playing violent video-games responsibly for many years, and I really don't need someone comparing me to a standard set by a small group of morons my age.

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None of the GTA games have rape. Hot Coffee mod isn't rape either. If you can't tell the difference, you got a problem recognizing human emotion.


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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 06:40
Okay, enough about rape guys. This topic is too important, imo, to get locked, and if we keep discussing the rape thing the thread will end up joining my plethora of previously-locked threads, and this one more than any of them shouldn't be locked I think. So please, enough of the rape stuff?

Quote: "I bet there is a line somewhere that you would not cross regardless of the money. People who will do anything for money however lead to things like Enron, but that is just human nature I guess. "

Well, there is... I wouldn't work for Starbucks, Wal-Mart, or Microsoft, not that I want to get into that debate again But you do have a point there.

Quote: "Hmmm, I wonder. If they ban violent video games, will gamers go to the same lengths to get their games? *Two shadowy figures stand in a deserted alley way. Money changes hands. A copy of Quake 2 is quickly thrust into the gamer’s trembling hand.*"

I'm promising everyone here and now that if they ban violent games, I WILL continue making them, bloodier and more gruesome than ever before, and I'll sell them at rock-bottom prices, too. What can they do, shoot me?

Quote: "mmm.... hot coffee anyone?"

But hot coffee showed consentual intercourse between two people


Quote: "I don't..."

In the words of that guy from the Getaway (another naughty game)... "Unlucky, eh?"


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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 07:53 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2006 07:54
Quote: "But what you're saying just doesn't make sense. If you're a entry level artist/musician in the city then you settle for anything and everything. If nobody knows your name, and some guy comes to you and offers you a huge recording contract to make music you hate? Guess what, you take it. "


Megaton it may be your outlook on life and that's good that's why we are all individuals, but I have worked at jobs I hated (AT&T) and it burns you out. This however has nothing to do with hate, I don't dislike rockstar, I am glad they are successful and that they make games people enjoy. I also would not take a "job" as a drug dealer, pimp, or Wal-Mart employee. Ambition has nothing to do with this either, I am very commited to getting into the industry (I have been in the PnP industry for a long time), hell I'd start as a janitor, window washer, whatever to get into a company, but I will not do "anything" to get into it, whether that be making the next GTA or stabbing a friend in the back. I am willing to take the longer road, it is not how fast you get somewhere, but how you finish the race.
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 08:29
Quote: "I also would not take a "job" as a drug dealer, pimp, or Wal-Mart employee."

Nice to see you can group minimum wage workers with law breakers and criminals. Keep on truckin.


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Quote: "Nice to see you can group minimum wage workers with law breakers and criminals. Keep on truckin."


yes and no. I could legally set up a brothel in Nevada, but still wouldn't, and there are many places in the world where some drugs are legal but I still would not sell them.
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ugh not to the immigrants again...

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 09:58
I'm a minimum wage worker and I am not an immigrant, thank you.

I don't see how wal-mart and a brothel are related at all.


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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 10:44
There only relation is that they are things I would not do, I did not say there is anything wrong with walmart(though I dislike the company) I have just heard from alot of people who do, or have, worked there that they treat their employees like dirt, hence I would not work there.
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 11:44
I've personally worked on a game that I'm not proud of. I was paid quite a lot of money to work on that game, and worse - working on the game then raised the profile of my 'team' for the future.

It was a violent game, that glorified violence and supported a lifestyle I don't believe in. That dented my soul. It was an awful game, but it sold bucketloads. That also dented my soul.

Would I do it again? I don't know - the money was good, the future favours owed to my team were even better. But I'm not proud of it, and I sure as hell tried to get as far away from it as possible as soon as I could. I yearn for the day when I can pick and choose jobs, and only make games that are A) great, and B) morally responsible/make the world a better place. I'm not sure it'll ever happen though. We're not all Will Wright, or Peter M.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 13:17 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2006 13:23
TDP Enterprises:
Quote: ""Thats not fair, rape is several steps above what gta has involved in its games.""

Wandering Swordsman:
Quote: "Really? Illegal crime sim... rape is a crime, illegal crime sim... hmmm.... hot coffee anyone? "

Matt Rock:
Quote: "But hot coffee showed consentual intercourse between two people"

Sorry, I didn't mean for my comment to by interpreted to mean GTA currantly did. I meant that the GTA series is not 'that' many steps away from including it. By referencing the Hot Coffee mod I meant to say that it was one more step towards. I will try and be more clear in future.

Megaton Cat:
Quote: "None of the GTA games have rape. Hot Coffee mod isn't rape either. If you can't tell the difference, you got a problem recognizing human emotion."

As I said. I meant that in future it wouldn't be far fetched for GTA to include it. (Sorry yet again.)

Matt Rock:
Quote: "So please, enough of the rape stuff?"

I'll refrain from farther comment to prevent thread lockdown. Debating that subject was kind of a depressing.

Hobgoblin Lord:
Quote: "I have just heard from alot of people who do, or have, worked there that they treat their employees like dirt, hence I would not work there. "

I've heard that as well when I was hunting around for a job.
(Sad really. In my experience, you get more out of your work force if you treat them with respect.)

@Tinkergirl, an interesting tale.
(Makes me think hard about my VG career, and the choices I may have to make if I choose to enter the mainstream industry.)

Maybe ESRB (Or other rating systems depending on location) should be covered in parenting books/courses/etc? Do you think it would make a dent? Educate parents so they know before hand?

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 13:41 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2006 13:44
I dont want to debate this subject either. It's not healthy really. I do get the impression though that people seem to think the aforementioned crime is more heinous than murder/killing, which I find absurd. Our games are filled with murder (Hitman and GTA where you are actually murdering people, rather than fighting in a war). Yet people here are really offended by the idea of rape, but not murder.

I would argue that it's purely because sex is much more taboo than violence and death. This is because films and games are filled with violence and death, but no sexual violence. If every Steven Segal movie had a rape scene, we'd all be thinking it was perfectly acceptable to chuck it into games by now. That's just how much film and games desensitize us, and cloud our judgement as to what is right and wrong and entertainment or not entertainment.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 21:56
I'm sure I heard about someone who said that computer games are worse than paedophilia.

People need to stop looking at computer games and start looking at real reasons as to why kids are killing people. Parenting and social circles are the main culprit. I used to play violent games. They got dull though, but I played GTA, doom etc when I was 10 and I'm a pacifict.

The problem is that of the thousands of kids who play GTA, it only takes one mentally ill person to kill someone for a deep psycological reason nothing to do with games to start an uproar. Games are the easy way out for people who don't want to face their own short commings. The same happened with marylin manson. People blamed him for violent crimes, which is ridicuous. His music was pretty awful though.

The people who hate computer games also don't seem to realise that guns are freely available, especially in America. It's very hypocritical to slate a form of entertainment (yet not violent films), but not to notice that the kids actually have guns in the first place.

I seem to be the only person who agrees with Hobgoblin Lord. Money's great and all, but if you feel dirty earning it, it's not much fun. I wouldn't work on something like GTA.

If games do get banned though, we all own DB. We can still make our own and sell them online. People don't understand that gamers are geeks and nerds who are far more intelligent than the politicians who slate us. We're not all chavs/mentally insane, we're actually some of the most productive people in the world (when we want to). If they ban games in any way, the one group of people who can get round it are gamers. The politicians can't win this one.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 22:08
dont they have anything better to do???!

like how about debating illegal immigration,or the war on iraq??

like video games is really a serious problem effecting all of america.they really are a do-nothing congress!!

did u guys know they only work 80 days out of the whole year?!
+ they get paid like 100 thousand a year, blah! cant stand them!
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 22:15 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2006 22:26
@fallout: No, they are equally bad, but I dont play many games with that much violence. I go for the more peaceful Civilization 4, Galactic Civilizations 2, RTS life-style, where I dont have to worry about bullets making the other soldier explode into gorier smaller chunks. I *can't* stand Unreal now. It has gone to gory. Same with HL-2... My category has gone real thin.

Edit: Proof that I distain so much. I know I have unreal on there, but thats what I play at lan parties, nothing else to play really (just disable gore).


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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 22:34
Quote: "dont they have anything better to do???!

like how about debating illegal immigration,or the war on iraq??"


Of course they have better uses for their time, but a subject like this gets brought up because there will be little to no debate about it, it is a win win for all of them and looks to the uniformed masses like they are doing something to protect us from harm. Elections are coming up and no one wants to make that speech that might cost them votes so topics like this arise around now so they can try to make themselves look good.

As for "working" 80 days a year, hell half of them miss most votes on the few days they are supposed to be there. John Kerry's office (the place where you are supposed to corespond with him) is four blocks from my house. Over the last four years I can count about 3 times he has actually been here, you know when he is in town because its on the front page of the paper. There's news for ya "Senator Actually Shows Up For Work".

Quote: "People need to stop looking at computer games and start looking at real reasons as to why kids are killing people."


You have to understand something about the US here, we have become a society of "Buck Passers".

"its not my fault I got lung cancer, the cigarette companies did this to me"

"Johhny committed suicide cuz he listened to Judas Priest."

"Timmy can't read becuase the school is not doing its job."

We as a nation need to wake up and start taking some damn personal responsibility, I miss alot of shows I want to watch because the kids are around and I don't want to expose them to too much too soon, but that is my choice. Alot of the "out of control kids" syndrome started when this whole "time out" craze swept around the nation. When I was a kid if I did something stupid my father smacked me upside the head and I said "bwaaaaa, dam won't do that again". Now I in no way condone people beating the crap out of their kids, but telling them "you mister are getting a Time Out!" is worthless. More and more kids are being raised by television now adays, and not by their parents.
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Ahmen.


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Quote: "Nice to see you can group minimum wage workers with law breakers and criminals. Keep on truckin."

I think that was more of a "being an evil corporation's whipping boy and lending a helping hand toward the downfall of small enterprise as we know it" remark. If Wal-Mart offered me $20 million to make a game about falling prices, I'd turn them down. Well... ugh... I MIGHT turn them down. Okay, I might ask for $5 mil more. Okay FINE, I'd do it for five, not a DOLLAR LESS!!!

If they ban violent video games, I'll bootleg illegal copies and a run a "game-easy" arcade in my basement every night. If the ban video games all-together? I'll take up arms and lead the country's second revolution.

I know that Chuck Schumer is on our side because he talked about it on Bill Maher last year. Barbara Boxer *seems* like she'd be on our side of this debate (she should be our first female president, forget Hillary). So I think we have a small handful of gamer politicians who'd fight for us in Washington. But let's face it... our industry doesn't have lobbyists. If we did, this wouldn't be an issue. Do you need to go to a special school to become a lobbyist? I think lobbyists are evil (they're paid to buy votes, that's disgusting), but heck, if it'll let us keep making violent video games, and it's our only alternative, why not.

Edit: When I was bad, my parents put me to work. No "time-outs" in my house. We also had a "bad chair" when I was really young, and if you're sent to the bad chair everyone picks on you. That kept me flying straight, and I've never stolen anything, never tried a drug, never killed anyone. What's best... in my 26 years of life I've played video games for at least 24 of them And am I evil? No. Politicians don't want to face the REAL issues because they're afraid to make people angry, so they beat up on our industry thinking we won't fight back. I've got news for you government... we're not pansies.


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speaking of beatings. lol

my father beat the tar out of me anytime i did something wrong.i turned out ok,after my 15 years of therapy. :p
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This year I am going to try and start a protest. I dont know if it will be successful, but damn it, I am tired of republicans and liberals and 3rd parties taking our rights away! I am well over 18, and I should be allowed to get any game I wish!


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I agree with you and Hobgoblin, Bahamut.

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We're forgetting the big thing here: these laws they are trying to pass will limit distribution, and some people are looking to games not as a means of making some mindless passtime entertainment, but as a serious art medium in which they can express emotions and ideas. These laws are essentially limiting artists. We may as well shut down the recording indsutry and close all the museums.

Jack Thompson and his cronies will argue that music and museum art is part of the "fine arts," a category under which games most certainly do not fall. What I'm saying is that if they would back off and let us evolve as a medium, you would see games of incredible artistic, emotional, or intellectual merit (FF7 be damned) being released sometime in the future. Someday a game will come along in the next couple of generations (after interactive entertainment becomes mostly mainstream) that will appeal so widely and evoke so much thought and emotion that it will be uttered in the same breath as the likes of Shakespeare, Schindler's List, Harper Lee, or Homer.

However, that game will never come if Thompson, Lieberman, and Clinton are allowed to pursue their insiduous plans.

I threw in some light humor in there, but I'm serious. Play games like Darfur is Dying.


[EDIT]I think I found the Daily Show segment you mentioned Matt. This one's great.
http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=70892


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It's about time you guys came back under colonial rule. You clearly can't put anyone with half a brain into any political position, at all.

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@Fallout: It isnt all of us. Only the whiners, such as the current politicians, the extreme right, the extreme left, the fundamentalist christians, the northern population, the southern population, and everyone who posted on those stupid we hate bush sites. So basically you have 90% of the population mentally impaired, then you have the small parts, that actually give a damn! Oh and Fallout, I have two words, and two words only: Tony Blair.


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That daily show episode was great, lmao. "I am the father of three young boys, 11...8...&...6, who are avid gamers and I am very concerned about the content included in the games-as I stand there, watching them play these violent games. Helpless to do anything about it, I can't help but wonder, where the system has failed."

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Sorry, I didn't have time to read all of the posts, but:

Quote: "but I could picture a cut scene where the main character throws some girl into a dark alley, you hear a bunch of nasty sounds, and the guy comes out and zips up his fly or something and if the package is labeled correctly more power to em."


Someone please tell this guy that movies have had displayed and hidden rape scenes for decades You just said it's a cut scene, therefore no player action involved--- I don't see the difference between that and a movie.


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Quote: "Someone please tell this guy that movies have had displayed and hidden rape scenes for decades You just said it's a cut scene, therefore no player action involved--- I don't see the difference between that and a movie."


Granted there is little to no difference, but you know it will be jumped all over. The small difference would be likely that this scene would be invoked by a player's action, where a movie is a set script, and deleted scenes/director's cuts aside, it is the same everytime someone watchs it
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They will pitch a fit over that, because Hilary (Jack Thompson's voodoo powers) says so.

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Or at least help me get rid of all the stupid people here.


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Actually yes, do take us back. Then maybe all the retards will move out from high taxs, then we will ask for our freedom, and stop immigration for a while:-P



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I was thinking maybe exterminate the entire human race with a combination of nukes, virul weapons and nerve toxins, with the exception of a few elite maverick renegade game developers (namely us) who rebuild the world in their own computer game inspired image, filling it with goblins, swords, guns, crazy laws of physics, crack whores and rediculously big hair cuts. Our responsibility as the founders of this new society is to give people quests, hope, self belief and AK47s from which each individual will forge their own destiny.

Into this new world we are each allowed to take one computer game to become the corner stone of our individual domain of society and thus help define the standards of our virgin civilisations. This one computer game will give the young population a shining example of the morality and values you expect them to uphold. So in my great wisdom, I choose Leisure Suit Larry.

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rofl, thats awesome. Who will be the sluts though?



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Quote: "rofl, thats awesome. Who will be the sluts though?"
Well, if I bought some fishnet stockings. I wonder if they come in my size...

Anyway, I chose SuperMan 64!

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I choose Cash Curtis's RPG



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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 21:15
I choose Alpha Centauri.
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Posted: 25th Jun 2006 21:33 Edited at: 25th Jun 2006 21:34
I choose The Incredible Machine. My race will be the inventors a technocracy that will dominate the world!

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Maybe so guys, maybe so. But when you come to sample the fine produce of my Leisure centers, I will get my evil wenches to slip poison into your drinks. The irony being that Cash Curtis's Geisha House society will indeed fall as a result of my leisure suit geishas. Oh oh oh the irony. Oh, how ironically ironic. By the way, I'm rendering lightmaps, so I have 1 hour to kill.

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Lol.

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Only one game? I can't decide between Zelda OoT, Psychonauts, or SCMRPG.


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GTA SA. More life lessons than the bible


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Quote: "If Clinton wins the Presidency in 2008, I'm worried... petrified... that it will only spell disaster for our country"


Geez man, he can't be worse then bloody bush, the man that had to win his first election with a lawyer, the man that spread lies around about WMD, then invaded a country on a false premise (yes saddam should have been removed, but not on the basis of scare mongering and lies, that just reduces the american goverement to a dictator ship, and destorys your ideal's of "freedom of choice" for dictatorship by fear and propagander), the man who approched the world for permission then said "sod you" when it wasn't the answer he wanted. Beleive me, your country is already in big trouble.

Anyway back onto the subject. I love the way people are blaming the perants constantly . Remember modern computer technology is pretty alien to alot of them. They have no idea what the lastest system can do, they come from an age of pong, side scrollers, and where the most violence you get was an animated red sprite. How many perants to do know, have time to play computer games? Yes they've put aged on boxed games for ages, but nothing up until recent years has approched any level of real, realisam. Now you have physics animating the way a dead corpse slides down the stairs. You have realistic fluids spurting from vanes, it's all sooo totally different from when they where kids. I suspect half of this outrage comes from perants who are shocked into reality. The only way to solve the perant issue is to kill off the existing generation who are totally clueless and allow the next generation to take over. Personally I think what I'll do if I ever become a perant, is just give my kid a bunch of old games and a low spec system.

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I'm sorry but that game was discusting and irresponsible of developers. Most games you act as some kind of hero, saving the day, that means there is some hint of morality within it, even with quake games you are a long warrior battling to save earth. With hitman, there was a reasonable story to it, you had a murderer, the central character is clearly a weak person but was at least trying to save a friend, and had tried to reform himself, and running off to save a preist by killing others (given what preists stand for) is shoddy reasoning at best, but you can see the reasons he's doing it. But in that, there is still a morality. I'm sorry but Carmageddon started this sort of thing, running over people in cars for no good reason (even they realised this was true and turned them into zombies afterwards). Games like manhunt really are horrible examples of what the games industry is willing to produce, you have a murderer, you have a sadistic film maker, and a scoring system that promoted a points for the most burtual killing possible. I mean what next? A game called sexual preditor? where the user must go to clubs, drug women and rape them? No there are limits, and it is partly down to developers not to break them, because once someone does, others will do the same. Once a rule or guideline is broken it's easier to break again. The movie industry has realised this at least in the main stream, there are some truely horrible films out there that I hope I never see, that have been banned with good reason. I do think some games shouldn't be allowed at all.

Quote: "And true as it is that teens have sex at 14"


No one at the age of 14 is either phyically or emotionally, or mentally mature enough to have sex at that age, normal or not. Alot of people at 24 aren't even ready for it! Treating it as a game of "how many can I have", qauntity over quaility. Teenage pregnacy is never a good thing, but it's not just games that promote this idea of sex being nothing but a game, every advert and tv show has some eliment of that.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2006 13:53
Well thanks, Kenjar - you've just doomed this thread to lockedness. Ta. And Clinton is a 'she'.

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Quote: "Teenage pregnacy is never a good thing"


I don't want to get into this, but I hate the way that "pregnancy" is now a negative term.

Quote: ""And true as it is that teens have sex at 14"

No one at the age of 14 is either phyically or emotionally, or mentally mature enough to have sex at that age"


Maybe you're right, but that doesn't stop anyone. The only thing that prevents teenage sex is geekdom The fact is that most teenagers
are aware (granted, some are little ****s). Hence the stroppiness. If you were treated like a kid all day, you wouldn't like it would you?



Quote: "I love the way people are blaming the perants constantly . Remember modern computer technology is pretty alien to alot of them. They have no idea what the lastest system can do"



And whose faulte is that? Parents should try to become educated rather than believe people that they know are lying to get votes. Why don't they read the box? If the age rating doesn't give it away, then surely....

"200 weapons, including rocket launcher, and flamethrowers available"

or

"New physics engine means that limbs now detach from bodies when hit"

.....should give them a clue. Come on, the main offender is called Grand Theft Auto! Seriously, it's hardly going to be about hugs and puppies here is it!?

My mum banned GTA from me until I was 15 based solely on the name. When I eventually played it, it was the biggest anti-climax ever. Rubbish game, well overhyped.

IceBound Melodic rock/metal band with loads of lead guitar, clean female vocals, and more guitars! What more could you want?
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Posted: 26th Jun 2006 17:28 Edited at: 26th Jun 2006 17:56
Quote: "And whose faulte is that? Parents should try to become educated rather than believe people that they know are lying to get votes."


Who's going to educate them? They've missed their chance, obviousally their own perants have failed to give them tools for peranthood, so is it their fault? Or the fault of their perants? And the perants before that, and so forth.

Quote: ".....should give them a clue. Come on, the main offender is called Grand Theft Auto! Seriously, it's hardly going to be about hugs and puppies here is it!?"


Children have more pocket money then ever before. While growing up myself, I had £5 a month, and additional cash upon request. If I wanted to go to the cinema I'd ask my mother who'd ask what film I was going to see, if I wanted a computer game then my mother or father would purchase it for me of a birthday, or for christmas. If we hired a film then it would be for the whole family to watch downstairs. I didn't have my own television and video player, and my personal computer was a BBC Master which lacked any gore related nastyness, unless it was printed onto the screen in words! Back when I was growing up, perants that gave kids TV sets, personal games consoles, and whatever they wanted to run on it, where considered to be spoiling their children. Today it's considered acceptable, and I'm at a loss as to why. If you give the child whatever it want's then it is going to be a spoilt brat. There is nothing like an SB for getting itself into trouble.

Finally I would point out that I was as very strange kid. I refused to watch horror films at the time because I'd been taught that while it was possible to be desensitized to that sort of thing, it wasn't nessassarily a good thing to be desensitized. To this day I rarely watch an 18 rated film because it tends to put violence, gore and swaring above any real story. There is quite enough fear in the world without turning it into entertainment.

Oh, did anyone find that bit in king kong where they where all surrounded by giant insects and worm things more then was expected from a PG-13 rated film?

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Posted: 26th Jun 2006 17:57
Quote: "No one at the age of 14 is either phyically or emotionally, or mentally mature enough to have sex at that age, normal or not."


That's the same rubbish they told us at school assemblies. That's why noone listened. I really don't get how people think that sex is bad now a days. 14 year olds have been having sex since the dawn of man. In shakespeares Romeo and Juliette, they were both supposed to be somthing like 13. Sex is natural, so is killing, the problem is that the government is trying to ban human nature and it won't work.

Quote: "That fact is they don't have enough experiance to know what is good for them, merely what they want."
Well that's a big fat generalization right there. I think they SHOULD have sex, as long as they get a condom and get a doctor to test them for AIDS. If the girl doesn't want to get pregnant, she can have oral sex. Of course this only applies to kids in a real relationship. But what kind of kid would do one night stands .

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