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Posted: 7th Jul 2006 19:17
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oh good, that proves everything...not.

I think it'd be better if the prizes were given to a trustworthy third party for safe-keeping so we know it's for real.

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Posted: 7th Jul 2006 19:19
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I think I'll enter
This will give me something to do when I get bored of OS deving

hmmm sett you made me think of another idea(no not the exact same just the word 'trap')

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I think it'd be better if the prizes were given to a trustworthy third party for safe-keeping so we know it's for real."

Like tgc?

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Posted: 7th Jul 2006 19:20 Edited at: 7th Jul 2006 19:22
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If they'd be willing to.

EDIT: I dont know TGCs policy on this sort of thing, but i do think you'd get more trust and entries if a trustworthy 3rd party held the prizes.

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Posted: 7th Jul 2006 19:27
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Quote: "I dont know TGCs policy on this sort of thing, but i do think you'd get more trust and entries if a trustworthy 3rd party held the prizes."


I was thinking escrow myself. If TGC won't do it you can send me the money to hold, i'm trustworthy .

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Quote: "hmmm sett you made me think of another idea(no not the exact same just the word 'trap')"


lol we will create a chain of idea.

Anyway, for writting my game in C++ with DirectX, can I do it this way?


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Posted: 7th Jul 2006 19:35 Edited at: 7th Jul 2006 19:36
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Definately

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I'll contact tgc in a bit about it then

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nice! I'll start right o-way!


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Posted: 7th Jul 2006 19:55
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Quote: "If anyone does not wish to have their code stolen or plagerized, do not post it publicly, email it to one of the judges. Rest assured"


This is what I don't understand. For the last few TGC compos, including the source was an option, for which the author received extra points. The author understood that the community would be able to benefit from having the code, but it was volunteer all the same.

However with *this* compo, the judges are the *only* ones who will see the code--- then what's the point? And you mention the games may need some slight revisions. Ummm no thanks. If they needed revisions, then they should be disqualified.

Also I fail to see anywhere who the judges are. Is it going to just be Chris Franklin??? Have you guys thought this through all the way?

*not entering*


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To be honest I don't care if the prize if false or real, I just wanna do it for fun, but Chris, try to be a bit more professional though, you seem to be all over the place with information, you should know all of your bases before starting something like this, lack of that means lack of trust and a lot of skepticism among people.

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@Jeku : I 100% agree with you !!!
A splash screen is enough for PUB, AD
No need to oblige competitors to give their source code !!!

We must define also what will give points ?
-the best playable ?
-the more fun ?
-the best graphics ?

All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
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Posted: 7th Jul 2006 20:24 Edited at: 7th Jul 2006 20:25
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@Jeku if the entrants wish to make their code public, they may do so at any time. Allowing an individual or entity to utilize and change your code would not be plagarism, it would be rights of usage. So if they do not want their code to be viewed or utilized by anyone other than the judges, then they shouldn't post it in the forum.

I have no reservations about entrants posting their code in a public manner, in fact I encourage it! Open source development is what drives much of the industry, and it is a credit to the people who work towards such ambitious goals. Kudos to open source developers.

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Quote: "However with *this* compo, the judges are the *only* ones who will see the code--- then what's the point?"

Well partly what Alqurin might have xplained but also so nobdoy doesn't just add a dll to a game with an injector that add's it or something
i could easily add a dll to rct3 then say i coded it

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For some reason, I would agree with the others by saying this sounds abit too much like a scam. A known spammer and a guy who just joined offering up a $200 prize to a competition they're not gonna get alot of entries for either?

Right, definatly not a scam. Here's the idea:

Alquerian, you paypal the $200 to Rich/Mods and Rich puts this competition in the newsletter for all to see. Then at the end, he awards the prize to the winner.

Other wise a guy who just joined a couple of months ago with a "coming soon" site isn't gonna cut it. So lets not have you guys getting a lot of attention, entries and publicity and then conveiniently stalling with the prize money.


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Posted: 7th Jul 2006 21:01
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Thanks megaton I'm speaking to him now about it

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Megaton, I have no problem with that so long as the Mods are willing to mediate.

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Posted: 7th Jul 2006 21:25 Edited at: 7th Jul 2006 21:37
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Thank you now everything is sorted

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Rich can look after it is there anyone that can look after it till the end of the compo (And not spend it ) *looks at jeku*

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I'm thinking Jeku will be fine with it (hoping so). Glad we got this sorted.


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Posted: 7th Jul 2006 22:52
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Yep same here
Thanks megaton

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Posted: 7th Jul 2006 22:59 Edited at: 7th Jul 2006 22:59
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OK. If things go as said here I may enter.

I wish to add the following to the prize pool



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Nice to see more people intrested now i just hope a mod (Or jeku) sees this thread and can keep hold of the prize money

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Seriously, I don't mind holding it in my account, and this means I would not be able to enter (which is fine by me). If this is ok by you, let me know.

That being said, who are the judges going to be?


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I don't see why you wouldn't be able to enter.


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Posted: 7th Jul 2006 23:18 Edited at: 8th Jul 2006 11:36
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Quote: "That being said, who are the judges going to be?"


Basiclly whoever donated to it so me (Might get some Started code in db for ya)
Jeku (You can if you want Being an experienced coder e.t.c)
Frozen flame (Also will be showcasing entrys on galekus unless you don't want him to)
Megaton cat (w00t)
Freddix

there will be more judges soon hopefully thinking there's 3 days of planning left till the start

Quote: "I don't see why you wouldn't be able to enter."


well he could if he wants but.... Because he's got the prize money (Well will have ) it'll be kinda like cheating in 1 way
Plus he might be judging

Ok it will be judged on

Media quality
Best game (Judges fav)
Coding quality (Jeku you want to do that?)
Length of game
Level lenght/Quality
Memory usage (Less usage = more points e.t.c)
Best plot

Overall score is these added together

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Quote: "I don't see why you wouldn't be able to enter"

yeah, you can enter, just not judge, right?

so you guys still need prizes donated?
I am cleaning out my garage soon. let me know.
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so you guys still need prizes donated?"


Yea please that'd be great
Hehe you going to ener? if not your welcome to judge

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erm, is polt plot, or is it an english word i dont know ^^' ?

Ok, looking forward to enter my first compo

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Quote: "erm, is polt plot, or is it an english word i dont know ^^' ?"

yea it's plot sorry fixed it now

Quote: "Ok, looking forward to enter my first compo "

Hehe glad ya intrested in it and overall have fun

we need big letters here... lol

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for projects if frozen flame could give us some space/subdomain/account then I could maybe whip up a simple project page stuff for people to submit there final projects(don't want to worry about modifying stuff so final stuff)
if frozen flame won't give us an account I'll use my account(I might run out of space though) but I would want for someone to change soup it up so it looks good cause I'm horrible at CSS or well just plain design

how about whoever wins gets a wait oh no now someones going to steal it





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you do know theres an edit button, no need for triple posting
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lol three score

@Everyone enetring if you could post to let me know if your entering i can list it all here (There's people off forum enetring to)

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Starting competition release day, i will set the upload limit to allow 100mb per file and you can upload directly to galekus. To be able to do this tho, you need an account at galekus. Free registration, easy storage, good community, why not? lol. Problem solved

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I've got some questions...

Alquerian:
Quote: "Submitted code may be modified and/or redistributed."

Modified? Explain why it may be modified, how, and the extent.

Alquerian:
Quote: "The code and/or media will not be resold, it will be (possibly) be redistributed at no cost."

So it's freeware? Please elaborate on this farther.

Alquerian:
Quote: "Allowing an individual or entity to utilize and change your code would not be plagarism, it would be rights of usage. "

What kind of rights am I surrendering here.

Alquerian:
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Umm... what? How would more credit be due?

Alquerian:
Quote: "also if any modifications need to be made, they can be done so without having to go back to the original developer."

So I build a game, may or may not win a prize... and then you own it? Sure my names in the credits, but you can create anything you want from the source/concept?


This contest has a bit of weirdness I’m not seeing in the other contests...

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Quote: "Starting competition release day, i will set the upload limit to allow 100mb per file and you can upload directly to galekus. To be able to do this tho, you need an account at galekus. Free registration, easy storage, good community, why not? lol. Problem solved"


hmmm I guess so, just seems like a waste of space if they only need 5mb for their game + they'd have to worry about creatign a website


and really what I meant is so instead of going through tons of posts to get some games make like well what I said.. lots easier judging, submitting, and for spectators to test games

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is this compo a scam to steal codez?

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i like your avatar, three score.

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Is this is a compo of the type: "The code must be written for the compo. No entry will be allowed if it was coded before." Becasue I was about to do a game, and already have a cube and a plane in it, so can I use the code that I already started, or do I need to do another file?


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well the real question is how will they enforce that

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@Wandering Swordsman:

Quote: "Quote: "Submitted code may be modified and/or redistributed."
Modified? Explain why it may be modified, how, and the extent."

It may be modified for media, structure, zipped, rar'ed. Pretty much to any extent, if you do not like it, no one is requiring you to compete.

Quote: "Quote: "The code and/or media will not be resold, it will be (possibly) be redistributed at no cost."
So it's freeware? Please elaborate on this farther."

It will be redistributed as freeware IF it is in fact redistributed.

Quote: "Quote: "Allowing an individual or entity to utilize and change your code would not be plagarism, it would be rights of usage. "
What kind of rights am I surrendering here."

Rights of usage and modification, ie allowing us to freely modify and redistribute said entry (as stated above).

Quote: "Quote: "Credits will remain intact or credits will be added where they are due."
Umm... what? How would more credit be due?"

Additional credits may be listed on the site(s) hosting such entries and/or added to applications which utilize said code in part or in full.

Quote: "Quote: "also if any modifications need to be made, they can be done so without having to go back to the original developer."
So I build a game, may or may not win a prize... and then you own it? Sure my names in the credits, but you can create anything you want from the source/concept?"

I would not own it, I would have full rights to it (as would the entrant). The original creator(s) of the qualifying entries retain all rights to their code. It would not be owned by myself or any other judge. You would simply be allowing us to modify and redistribute it at no cost.

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A theme probably needs to be created, so people can't just drop in their Dumbo & Cools.


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@Jeku I would be happy to have you hold the prize money in escrow. I also see no reason why you wouldn't be able to enter, so long as you aren't judging, I would love to see you enter .

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Ahh I feel a bit too uneasy with that, so I won't be entering. And I can't judge, either, as I have way too many commitments.

Anyways, I'd be glad to hold the money in my Paypal account until there is deemed a winner. That being said, I don't really like how there must be 10 entries submitted before the prize money is given. What if 20 people enter and only 2 people submit? The prize money is given back to you? That's not really fair to the 2 people that put time and effort into their entry.


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Quite frankly from the moment they say GO, the competion has started and the day it ends, judging should begin and a winner paid and announced in a resonable amount of time. Posting the prize like this can be understood as a contract.

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Quote: "is this compo a scam to steal codez?"


It IS a compo

I'm not going to go round stealing codez honest because using something to add dll's that add Like a banner or something could be added to a super mario game or something

Quote: "What if 20 people enter and only 2 people submit? The prize money is given back to you? That's not really fair to the 2 people that put time and effort into their entry."


Very true i know of at least 4 people who have plans for their entrys tho
and really i think the prize is going to stay no matter how many entrys

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This contest has a bit of weirdness I’m not seeing in the other contests...
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I'm only going by what alquerin said for that personally i'd try and remove it but then you lose the 200 usd prize

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Also, got a question, can I make my game with the help of a book, because I have been programmin with DX for just 2-3 days."

Definately

EDIT 4:
I think i'm gonna have to say no now to the 200 usd because of what's gone on


BUT
this means no need to submit code any more! And i've added a small prize that i'm rounding up now to replace it

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Edit LArge post ahead Just toggle this if you've seen it once

hehe as an apolgy for all the confusion i've made 2 Animations 1 like a rocket launch and then 2nd a pickup thing hopefully won't be to big




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Posted: 8th Jul 2006 12:28 Edited at: 8th Jul 2006 12:33
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I find this way too hard to believe. Something "convenient" is bound to happen.

Ill concider entering once I get word of Jeku recieving the monehs, but even still, either this guy's loaded with cash or loaded with beer.

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Posted: 8th Jul 2006 12:31
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Quote: "Quote: "Like tgc?"

Yep."


lol well at least the 200 usd thing is sorted now

Sorry about all the mayhem it caused

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