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SirFire
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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 09:15
I'm not interested in consoles for several reasons:

*) The console system and games prices are outragious.
*) Most computers have better resolution than HDTV.
*) Computers do millions of things a console can't.
*) Most of the best console games are also available for PC.
*) If your PC breaks, it's more likely to be repaired than replaced.
*) With a PC, you can make your own games.
*) When you get a new PC, you can still play all the old games.
*) Cheating on a computer is loads easier than cheating on a console.
*) the list goes on ......

If you like consoles, "more power to ya", but I'll keep gaming on PC b/c it just makes better sense to me.

Izzy545
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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 09:18
Yea, I wouldn't trust Sony about the whole Linux thing on the PS3... They also said they wouldn't split the fanbase by having two system packages. They promised 2 HDMI ports. Now there's only 1 on the premium version of their console. They promised multiple ethernet ports. They promised 7 controllers.

They lie out there butts all the time.

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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 09:59
Me, I'm a Wii fan when it comes to future consoles... But really PC gaming is by far better all around. Controls are 300% better (if you dont like keyboard / mouse, then just get a game pad or a joystick). They are also customizable in nearly every single game.

Graphics? Well, PS3 is gonna have top of the line graphics for... how long. A few months? Then a new wave of PC games get released and boom, PS3 looks dated, and guess what, you can't upgrade it.

I buy the consoles for the games, not the graphics. I bought a playstation since it had tons of great games. Sure N64 had alot too, but I preferred PS1's games at the time. I bought a GameCube for the Metroid games, and various Mario games, and definitely SSMB Melee.

I'm gonna buy a Wii for the same reasons. Gameplay! The Wiimote is looking very promising, and I definitely want to finish off the Metroid Prime series, and get the next Super Smash Brothers.

At this point in time graphics are all starting too look the same anyway, and at times I look back and miss the fake pixelated stuff of 10 years ago since everyone is striving for realism nowadays.

I'm working on a high res photorealistic texture pack. High res as in 7 megapixels, e-mail me with suggestions.

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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 10:31
Quote: "Rofl. You want to start comparing franchises? Don't get me started."

We've had this discussion hundreds of times. 360 has Halo and fable and all that, Sony has MGS, Gran Turismo, etc. Blah blah blah arguing a moot point.

I still say Sony will dominate this round and I have money on this, and I'm willing to put my cash against anyone anywhere anytime

btw Jeku and Tinkergirl, the industry is tiny. People on TGC seem to have a hard time looking at that enormous group of people called "the general public." They are the ones who make and break sales... not us. As much as you might love the Wii or 360, and as much as your industry pals might feel the same, it won't matter much when the general public, many of whom love Sony's previous consoles, eat up the PS3, especially when the price drops. I honestly think you guys hate Sony because you like rooting for underdogs. Like in Ali vs. Foreman, the "Rumble in the Jungle." Everyone *wanted* Ali to win but knew deep down inside that Foreman was going to woop him. Bad example, Foreman lost in the 8th round via knockout, but still... I think you guys are fed up with Sony dominating the market share and you desperately want to see them lose a round. Unfortunately for you, I doubt that's going to happen. Most people love the PS1 and PS2. They *trust* Sony to make a good console. And they *know* that the PS3 is going to "rock the hizzy" just like the previous two did.

Anyway, my point is, I tend to ignore my industry friends whenever they talk about trendsetting in the industry. They've always been wrong:

* "PS2 is going to suck/ going to lose to the Gamecube when it comes out (then referred to as the Dolphin)" - Wrong, one of the worst predictions I've heard in my lifetime, like, Nostrodamus (sp?) wrong

* "When the Microsoft XBox is released it's going to smoke the PS2" - Wrong, never came close but got closer than I figured it would... not close enough though, still wrong

* "PS3 is going to suck/ no one will buy it/ Sony is going down because of it" - Time will prove this wrong as well

And my all-time favorite horrible prediction ever made by a friend, a kid I knew in college who now works for Rockstar in the city (this is CLASSIC stupidity, has nothing to do with this debate but it's funny and I thought I'd share it with you). He said this in 1998 before he got his job, but still, hilariously aweful prediction and he was forced to pay me $500 on Jan. 1st 2004 :

Quote: ""Consoles will be dead by 2003. PC's are getting stronger and faster. Gamers don't need consoles and they won't be around much longer.""

And people ask why I ignore my industry friends.


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Tinkergirl
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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 11:44
Quote: "btw Jeku and Tinkergirl, the industry is tiny. People on TGC seem to have a hard time looking at that enormous group of people called "the general public." They are the ones who make and break sales... not us. As much as you might love the Wii or 360, and as much as your industry pals might feel the same, it won't matter much when the general public, many of whom love Sony's previous consoles, eat up the PS3, especially when the price drops. I honestly think you guys hate Sony because you like rooting for underdogs."


Interesting opinion, Matt. I believe whenever I've stated that the people I know aren't too hot on the PS3, I've usually mentioned that my group of friends are 'non-standard' and not the general populace. I believe I've even made comments about the fact that while I may not go ga-ga for graphics, the general public often does. So, I've never tried to imply that the people I know are a good indicator of the success of the machine

One thing that might be worth considering at least a little bit, is that Jeku and I make games. We make console games, in fact and the people we know probably make console games too. It's all well and good, people like "The End is Near" quoting publicised console specs at us, but there's a good chance that we know more than that - or have at least heard from internal sources.
Maybe we know how it's like to make games on the system in question, maybe we don't.
Maybe we've heard horror stories on the kind of developer support one system gives over another, maybe they're just lies.

I'm not saying - "We know all and see all". I'm just saying that sometimes there's more reasons for leaning towards a certain console preference, than just 'rooting for the underdog'. Like, being excited by the gaming possibilities (I, as a developer would give my right arm to dev a Wii - that is developer excitement you can't buy) for example.

I'm not here to say "Console X better than Console Y!!". Because, its up to each of us to decide if we want to give these people out hard earned money.

I know my preference, and I believe I will not be let down by it. I hope everyone else is as happy with their decision

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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 11:52 Edited at: 27th Jul 2006 11:52
Nobody who's seem the Wii's E3 video is still trying to decide if they want a Wii .

Really, what exactly is known about the PS3?, has anyone here played a game on it yet?

Or will it be another PS2 situation, where Sony blow it out of all proportion with it's marketing crap.

Personally I like to see some actual real evidence before I get excited, has Sony even released real footage yet?. With the release of the XBox, and the details we have on the Wii, you'd think Sony would pull their finger out and actually let us see what the PS3 is all about. Could it be that it's all marketing tripe, and we'll end up with an old cruddy next gen console again that people will spend weeks comparing to the 360.

I wanna play tennis in my living room, smashing lampshades and looking a twat - to hell with the PS3, I'll worry about the 360 and PS3 when there's a game I simply cannot live without released on one of them.

The thing is always to wait and see, don't throw your eggs in one basket, especially when your basket is still on it's way. If the games are really just like that Killzone trailer, then have my eggs too, I'd buy one right away - but everyone knows that's not how it pans out.

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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 11:55 Edited at: 27th Jul 2006 11:58
I was mostly saying that to point out that I didn't take into account any of my in-industry friends because I view their opinions as largely biased, and that inter-industry predictions never seem to come true for whatever reason. History tends to repeat itself, and as always, everyone is saying the Playstation is going to suck. I'm wondering if anyone is going to say "wow, Matt was 100% right" if I'm proven right over time Probably not but wishful thinking never killed anyone, figuratively speaking of course I seriously don't expect anyone to acknowledge I was right or they were wrong, but they won't have to... I'm fully prepared to rub it in everyone's noses lol

Anyhoo, I respect your opinions, but I'm making a prediction that the PS3 will be the top console this round, and I have not been presented any reason whatsoever to believe otherwise. I've tried looking at this as un-biased as humanly possible and I can't predict anything other than PS3 dominating the market share as always, although it'll be considerably closer than it has been in the past (again, not close enough though). But I haven't developed console games (nor do I have any intention to in the future, with the exception of a game I'm being contracted to work on) so who knows, maybe you guys know something I don't know. It just seems like no one in the industry wants the PS3 to win this round (of course no one would turn down Sony's money though lol), except obviously Hideo Kojima who raves about the PS3 more than Ken himself

Edit: @ Van - Marketing hype sucks, it's true... but it worked wonders for the previous playstation consoles and my money says it'll do it again. I'm not arguing the console is going to be better (although stats and insider info says it will be), but I'm definitely saying that I'm 110% positive it will dominate this round, even if most of that is marketing.


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Drew Cameron
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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 12:44 Edited at: 27th Jul 2006 12:47
EDIT, on second thoughts, never mind. No point in arguing about anything here. It's like the saying, Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...

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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 12:48
Quote: "An estimated 2x better graphics than the xbox 360 and an estimated 16x better graphics than the Wii."

And how is "better graphics" quantitified ?

Quote: "All controllers are wireless."

I bet Duracell are rubbing there hands with glee... I bet battery power wont last more than a couple of weeks.

The hardware specs are pretty - I can imagine it will be rather costly.

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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 13:16
Matt, don't be so quick on whiping out your wallet, remeber you were willing to put money on France winning the World Cup...
Just a reminder

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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 13:16
I'm not about to say which console will 'win'. I mean - it doesn't really matter to me. I just want to play good games (and make great games).

Like I said before - I've got my eye on a console that I think will provide me with the games I want to play. Everyone else can choose the console they want to play - I'm not going to try to console-preach here

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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 13:38
Yeah Tinker, I'm buying a Wii too

Thing is, it depends on which side of the planet you look from.

In Europe, the PS3 will do well, and probably well in the US too. The Wii and the XBox will msot likely lag behind.

In the US, the 360 and PS3 will dominate.

In China, the Wii will completely own the 360 and PS3.


But remember that China is becoming the most powerful nation, and with a healthy economy and fresh customers, they could push the Wii as THE console for games, support, internet gaming...

I know the Wii is not the most powerful, but that's not the point and never was. The console that owns all the other consoles will be the one that has the games people want to play. It's not a big factor so much in Europe - but the Chinese gamers tend to be fascinated by novel ideas. Anyone else noticed Sony's more recent bend towards more diverse gameplay and control methods - that buzz quiz game for instance.

Really you have to appreciate Nintendo's marketing strategy:

Sony and M$ = Good graphics, sell to chav gamers, lots of sole format games.

Nintendo = Adults playing games that make them look like an idiot, but more importantly it's adults that don't usually play games.

The PSX and PS2 sold millions to non-gamers, because it was 'cool' to own one compared to a N64 or Saturn, but really today's chav would rather play that sword game. It's like slow motion gunfights....

...Walk down the street then pick a mark - then slowly pull out a pistol in Max Pain style slo-mo, and every single time the other dude will recoil or pull his own gun and return fire, in super slow mo...

That's the mentality, that approval to be an idiot because someone else started it - once your dad tells his pals about the Wii and the supplied golf game where you actually play golf, it's only a matter of time before pensioners are breaking hips.

Aegrescit medendo
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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 14:11
Quote: "In China, the Wii will completely own the 360 and PS3."


yes the wii will defiently own the 360 in china, but probably not the ps3. Reason is because sony is an asian company and asians like to buy things made in asia. most of my asian friends i have are more hyped about the ps3 then the wii and barely any of them care about the 360. then again i could be totally wrong on that.if i get a next gen console it will probably be the wii because:
*its cheaper by a fair amount
*i like nintendo products
*i have gamecube games so i will be able to play them on the wii
*it has that nice feature where you can play all the old nes and snes games
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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 14:23
Crazy Ninja: Nintendo is also asian, just thought you'd like to know

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Kentaree: I am well aware of that. i was just saying the 360 doesn't stand as much of a chance as the other two do because microsoft isn't asian.
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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 17:37
Quote: "Matt, don't be so quick on whiping out your wallet, remeber you were willing to put money on France winning the World Cup...
Just a reminder "

Oh come on! One time! One time I mess up and you have to call me on it Phew, I'm glad no one took THAT bet lol. But hey, you can't sit at the roulette table and expect to win every single round. Who would've guessed that the headbutt was coming up?

I dunno about the asians-buying-Sony/ Nintendo thing. I think there's more factors than "which company is based in Japan," like the games they'll put out. Sony will dominate Japan, China, and most of Asia because it has (historically anyway) put out a lot more games in Japanese than the other companies (yes, that includes Nintendo). I don't know why they hate the 360 in Asia so much but I've heard that remark *a lot* so I'm assuming it's true. Maybe they dislike Bill Gates or something? Or probably they can't figure out Windows either, like, oh, 80% of the populace (again, not everyone is a computer person like we are... you'd be surprised at some of the questions that people have asked me at work, most of which many of us on TGC would laugh hysterically at... unrelated but sometime I should share those here lol). Most likely it's just the lack of games. Not only do the PS3 and the Wii rhyme (one of the key factors to why I think they'll dominate this round... it'll take a few threads to explain that theory lol), but Sony and Nintendo are most-assuredly going to release a plethora of games to the Asian regions, and Microsoft hasn't really tried to reach that market. Did anyone see the G4 show where they were talking about Halo, and how the bald Microsoft guy was like "Gee, I don't know why Halo isn't doing good in Japan." Hmm, I wonder


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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 18:22
I live in a pretty well-off neighborhood, and most people I talk to have HD-TVs but still really don't give a puddle of poo about PS3's graphics. If anybody's going to push PS3 sales it's going to be Dads who just bought their new shiny HD-TVs and want to show off to the neighbors. That's what happened with my friend and his 360. He got to play Need for Speed all the time on their new DLP for a month, but once all the neighbors had seen it, it ended up back in his room with a small Dell LCD monitor/tv.

I think there's a noticable culture difference between Xbox and Playstation/Nintendo games. Because of the sheer amount of FPSs and football games available on it, whenever I think of Xbox I get this image of Texas in my head. I think Xbox reminds our Asian pals of George Bush. That's probably not culturally appealing to them.


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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 19:32
I buy a lot of games, but frankly I regret wasting money on most of them - the last game I bought and was completely happy with was RE4 on the gamecube, put it beside Doom3, HL2, Fear, Prey, Halo/2, everything and I'd still choose RE4 on the dusty old NGC.

It's available on PS2 as well, but it's just a shining example of how a relatively old and lower spec console can completely own a genre. Now RE5 looks freakin awesome on the 360, but really I'm in no real rush to get it, I'm a distrustful old git, I just don't think it'll be as good for some reason. The fact that the NGC was doing all that in RE4 just made it special, like the coders really know their hardware. Every RE game has pushed the hardware, and it's made them all great - I just hope they put in the same effort with RE5. If they make some really good deathmatch games, like Farcry on the 360, then I'd probably be more inclined to want one. Making maps in Farcry is great fun. Now there's a rumour of the Farcry dudes working on a Lost videogame based on the series, if that's only on the 360 then I have no choice.

Big games done right will decide the winner of the console next gen wars, as if there's ever really a winner - in a couple of years we'll be discussing the PS4, 720, and Nintendo Poo.

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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 19:37
Nope. It'll be Nintendo Pooo... extra "O" for added emphasis on it's "overly" awesome features I wouldn't be surprised if we weren't discussing some other console by a company new to the console industry in the next gen, too... and all of us will agree (for once) that the console will suck. Then THAT one, the new one, will become the #1 console, much to all of our astonishments.


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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 21:43
I wanted a PS3 full stop. Then Lucasarts hinted at a Jedi Wii game.... oh god, online jedi light sabre battles on my projector. Gibber....

Cheers

Ps. Knowing me I'll just get them all again (sometimes twice). I rarely learn from my mistakes...

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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 21:56
Quote: "since there's linux and i know a fair amount of c++ i think designing my own games for a console would be very cool."


This was the same company that released a half-assed BASIC program and Linux for the PS2? And you believe that they'll let just any old bedroom coder make PS3 games? Think again

I already bought a 360 and I'll be definitely getting a Wii, but I won't rule out a PS3 just yet. I haven't bought a PS or PS2, but if they make enough good games I will wait for the price to go down. What I don't understand are the fanboys on either side who live and die by their brand names without considering the games themselves


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Quote: "This was the same company that released a half-assed BASIC program and Linux for the PS2? And you believe that they'll let just any old bedroom coder make PS3 games? Think again"

I'm not saying full fledged games but small apps. And that attempt at ctreating linux for the ps2 was a horrible attempt at putting a cool feature on a console it wasn't designed for.

My current savings for the PS3 is: $486.00 out of $600 !!!
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We all know how Sony won last time.. Allowing PS2 to be fitted with mod chips that let them play cracked games. At least that's how it secured its market dominance in economically less developed countries. I know that for a fact, I live in one

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Posted: 27th Jul 2006 23:52 Edited at: 27th Jul 2006 23:53
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Btw, i'm pretty sure, not positive though that Final fantasy is not exclusive to Playstation 3 or Sony for that matter.. I think within the contract they have to develop 2 more final fantasy games for the PS3 before they can start creating final fantasy titles for other systems if they so choose.
"


You're forgetting...
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
All the GBA ones.
FF3 DS
The sequel to FFCC.

Aren't you?


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 28th Jul 2006 02:48
dood point nex the fairly fast ferret!
but i also love the exclusive ones like: killzone, MGS , and R&C

My current savings for the PS3 is: $486.00 out of $600 !!!
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MGS isn't exclusive either, is it? Wasn't there an NGC version? Or did I dream that up?

Anyways, Xbox has the Splinter Cell series, a far better stealth game than MGS (hundreds of Sony fanboys cry out in unison)


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Metal Gear Solid is really stupid in my opinion. Its great though if you like to watch movies. The gameplay is boring and far and few between the cutscenes.

I'm working on a high res photorealistic texture pack. High res as in 7 megapixels, e-mail me with suggestions.

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Big.Robot.

My current savings for the PS3 is: $486.00 out of $600 !!!
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Posted: 28th Jul 2006 03:46 Edited at: 28th Jul 2006 03:47
why cant you just learn to like all the consoles?

the only competitors are the developers and its only a problem for the developers. we only truly distinguish each console differently because we cant afford to have them all, you don't judge a console by its graphics, you judge a game by its graphics, you don't judge a game by the console, you judge them by the game developer.

there is literally no reason to hate a console, because the console only runs what you see, its not responsible for it

of course that 'my opinion'

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I dont hate any consoles, but the Wii is the most interesting console to me, and thats the one I want. If my friend wants a PS3, more power to him, I'll definitely play all his games on it when he invites me over without a problem. But I just usually have a preference in each generation of consoles, and Xbox 360 and PS3 really don't interest me right now.

I'm working on a high res photorealistic texture pack. High res as in 7 megapixels, e-mail me with suggestions.

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I like all consoles... just some more than then others. Hey, I still like my N64!

My current savings for the PS3 is: $486.00 out of $600 !!!
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Posted: 28th Jul 2006 09:20 Edited at: 28th Jul 2006 09:23
Why can't we all just complain about the Phantom?

Seriously though, this is getting stupid. People here refuse to have their minds changed, so there's no point in arguing this.

I will say that however, I live in a very upper middle class neighborhood, and every weekend go to a campground with a bunch of people from lower to normal middle class families. While there are a good number of hdtvs in my home town, there are not nearly as many as there should be, considering how rich the general populous is. In fact, most people seem to still have the same tvs they had 5-10 years ago. And really, in my home town of the gamers there are, none are interested in the ps3. Honest to god, not a single one was interested in a ps3. I find that the only people who buy psps use them for music and video more than games, and I've seen less and less of them since launch. In fact, I've seen barely any since launch at all. But I find the gamers under my grade almost always have a ds handy to pull out and start playing, if they're playing anything at all. There are of course tons with ps2s, but the ps2s they have were definitely bought when the prices went down (almost all of them). Really, anyone with a powerful computer though seems to use that for gaming.
Guess who uses consoles all the time? The middle class families that aren't so rich. My friends from my camp all have game systems, and awful computers. They have consoles because their parents can't afford gaming computers. Now, I know no one willing to spend $600 for a ps3, and no one willing to sacrifice all the goodies for the lower version. People I know who support sony, actually don't play video games at all almost. You know those gangsta looking people who support sony systems? I know a bunch of them, and none actually play games.

Here's another interesting thing. Everyone I know supports the 360. I have diehard apple fan friends who bought a 360 the day it came out. Microsoft has played the neutral ground, which seems to be working great. Their place in the market is pretty secure, or so it seems to me.
Very interesting though, is that I got A few people who mock Nintendo and all the kiddie related game companies to watch the Nintendo E3 conference as soon as I downloaded it, and they were converted. They actually wanted to buy a Wii after watching the video. Why? Not because the graphics blew them away, but because it looked like so much fun to play. Heck, they’re not even gamers, and they want a Wii.

I, of course can't say my experience represents the general public, it may represent the general New England area, but I can't say that for sure either. I don't like sony, and I really don't like what some of their consoles have done. The ps2 has plenty of amazing titles like Jak, Katamari, FF, Rachet and Clank, etc, but the ones I see everywhere are the god awful gta city gangsta clones, and I can't believe that sony actually wants that to be their image to the public. I hope the ps3 loosens sonys grip on the market, so that they actually step back and re-examine their strategy. Nothing about the ps3 apeals to me. I mean, I was never impressed by the current gen, but the ps3 is just against too much I like about games.

About graphics, look at the Wii, and see how while the graphics aren't amazingly powerful, the games still look kickass even to the trained eye of a gamer.

Maybe it has something to do with being an artist, but Nintendo games have always given me more of a graphical treat than anyone else. Only fable has come close to that same level, and while I have the pc version and it doesn't compare with many of my other pc games graphically, it still is more fun to look at than them.

I'm not sure if I got my point across, or if I even have a point. I just wanted to type, and this is what came out. Please don’t try to dispute facts in this, as it’s all just my personal opinion. I'm not arguing with anyone, I'm just pointing out what I think. If it's a boing read, just skip it, again, I'm not trying to argue. If I wrote something that doesn’t seem to make sense, that’s because it’s 2:20 in the morning.

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also the ps3 has been haveing overheating issues and the like so they have found thre selfs cutting out tings like graphics capibilitys, by the time the ps3 actually launces i reckon it will be around as powerful as the xbox 360 with bluray drive but still with xbox useing the usb interfase they still have ti ability to create a bluray drive as an addon just like they are doing with the hd-dvd

and if people are saying ya well ff comes out on ps3 ff11 cameout on xbox so i doubt that it would end there
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Posted: 28th Jul 2006 15:57
Quote: "also the ps3 has been haveing overheating issues and the like so they have found thre selfs cutting out tings like graphics capibilitys"


well obviously they arent going to release it with those problems. some of you guys are comparing the development stages with bugs, just wait and see, compare the final product, opinions are pointless at this stage.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2006 16:42
All my favorite games are on the PS, since i started to play consolegames, so i'll definitly buy the ps3 when the price drops a bit. I really liked the old nintendo games on the n64 but for the gamecube i didn't see many interesting titles... but that's an opinion like we all have opinions and favourites so i think it's senseless to argue about this...

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Posted: 28th Jul 2006 16:56
Quote: "What I don't understand are the fanboys on either side who live and die by their brand names without considering the games themselves"

I hope you aren't referring to me I've talked about my love for PS games for ages.

About Metal Gear: The series as designed by Hideo Kojima is exclusive to Sony, as Hideo is probably the biggest Sony fanboy of them all. Shigeru Miyamoto (Nintendo's biggest fanboy hehe) convinced Hideo to work with him on the remake of Metal Gear: Solid for the Gamecube, and rumor has it that they'll be doing a few other MGS games on the Wii, but they'll be remakes of "Sons of Liberty" and "Snake Eater" and not simultaneous releases of MGS titles. Otherwise, Konami has been releasing the "Substance" series on other consoles, but Hideo apparently objected to that, and now that he owns his own department of Konami, I'm willing to bet we won't see the 360 getting its share of Substance games. That sucks imo, and yes, I hate the XBox with a passion and have not yet been impressed in the very least by it, but I've heard from xbox people that the Substance games were fun, and I don't like it when any company leaves a bunch of their fans in the dark, so I'm hoping that Hideo Kojima is fair and keeps releasing the substance series on the 360.

Another cool rumor is that there might be a spin-off MGS series that's exclusive to the Wii where you play as Raven from Foxhound... that would ROCK. No one, and I mean NO ONE, can argue with chain guns lol


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Posted: 28th Jul 2006 21:50
Quote: "Nobody who's seem the Wii's E3 video is still trying to decide if they want a Wii .

Really, what exactly is known about the PS3?, has anyone here played a game on it yet?"


i went to e3 and got to try out the consoles, the ps3 was terrible the whole booth was pretty much trailers but the Wii's was amazing, Zelda forever!!!

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Posted: 28th Jul 2006 22:34
Quote: "i went to e3 and got to try out the consoles"


What are your credentials? How did you get in?


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My afforementioned friend who works at Rockstar says he went to E3 and while the PS3 booth didn't impress him, he said others seemed impressed. You sound like you didn't even really look at the PS3 booth for very long and spent all day swooning over the Wii.

Quote: "What are your credentials? How did you get in?"

Good question. You have to be recognized as being "in the industry" to get into E3. And while some indie developers are lucky enough to get an invite, it usually comes to the tune of a lot of money.


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Posted: 29th Jul 2006 00:34
Quote: "Ill stick with my PC"


PCs are the BEST gaming/word processing/programming/video editing/internet browsing/(you get the picture) there is, no gaming "machine" will be able to beat that.

PS3 - Downs:
$600 - If you have that much money, buy a PC(or a MAC )
That cell processor, you WOULD NEVER use let alone need that kind of power to play a game, the processor is for the Medical industry, no more...for now
Size - Were will that fit next to my computer???
Graphics-WHO CARES, the over all gameplay is what counts, just look at nintendo!

The first thing on that list says-no PS3 for me, when it's $50 I'll buy one...(but because of that dumb processor, that will never happen)


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Posted: 29th Jul 2006 20:34
Quote: "PCs are the BEST gaming/word processing/programming/video editing/internet browsing/(you get the picture) there is, no gaming "machine" will be able to beat that."


No thanks--- I'd much rather play games on my 37" LCD HDTV


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you cant hook your tv to your computer on your screen? The one at my apartment can do vga and dvi hook-ups.

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Posted: 29th Jul 2006 22:47
PC's are better for single-player games, but if you have a party and invite a bunch of friends over, a PC just won't suffice. Even if you did have enough controllers hooked up to it, there are no games on a PC that will do what a console does for multiplayer.

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Yes--- there's simply nothing like pulling out Burnout Revenge and playing multiplayer with a group of buddies and drinking beer.

I have a fast enough PC for modern games, but I almost always choose the 360 version if it's available, especially as I hate installing games.


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Going off on a side track track here about emulators...

The PSX and PS2 was able to be emulated, but will the ps3 be able to? With the blueray games and the multiple processor commands will it be even remotely possible?
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Posted: 30th Jul 2006 11:24
Of course it will be possible. After all, the PS2 was once considered to be a supercomputer--- or so they say Now the PS2 seems like a slow piece of crap console in my opinion, and it should easily be emulateable (is that a word even?)


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Quote: "but will the ps3 be able to"
Of course. All new consoles seem like impossibly fast machines when first announced, a year ahead of the PC when they come out, and outdated a year or two later by the latest PC's. Considering Intel are talking about quad core processors soon (perhaps the end of the year) and stupid-core processors by the end of the decade (Instead of a 20ghz chip like they originally said they changed their minds and said more like 64 2ghz chips), and chuck in the fact that Sony bring out a new console every 5 years or so, then the PS3 will not only be emulated before the PS4 comes out, but we will probably be able to play it on our PDAs Not too unlikely. Only legal wranglings by Sony may keep it below the radar, as these days pretty much anything can be hacked about.

At the end of the day it just perception. I have an old Pentium 133 upstairs. When I bought it (£1200) it was pretty much a ninja machine. I was amazed by the 1gb of storage the hard drive gave me. Would never fill it up. Now my PDA has 3 times its power (400mhz) and the same size storage. Day of the Tentacle runs great on it

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Posted: 1st Aug 2006 06:18
Quote: "bring out a new console every 5 years or so"

6

dazzag:
hey, tech is always moving but this is the latest and the greatest at the moment and i'm not waiting 4 years until an emulator that can run on a future computer is out.

My current savings for the PS3 is: $486.00 out of $600 !!!
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Quote: "Quote: "bring out a new console every 5 years or so"
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That would be the "or so" part.

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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 14:21
In my opinion:

The Wii is the most promising of them all and I applaud Nintendo for the innovation they are showing in their products, a 'different' gaming experience is what I look for in a console, not the same old cookie cut 'lets play it safe with the market' games with slightly better graphics.....

/me yawns @ Sony & Microsoft

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