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Kentaree
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The PS3 has been delayed till March in Europe, that's gonna piss a lot of people off

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=19492

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Hehe, but what of GTA?

I mean, wasn't it supposed to be a PS3 and 360 release, does this mean that this christmas people will only have 1 choice, get a 360 and GTA or wait another 3/4 months.

That's a very worrying situation for Sony, esp considering the console that tends to dominate these discussions is arriving soon.

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The wii?

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Sony are going to have a really tough time getting back in the mix of consoles... All I can say is : HA HA HA

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Sony seem to be having quite a hard time at anything at the moment, laptop batteries, DRM scandals, they're realy not having a good year

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All companies need a bad year - otherwise they lose customer focus and become conceited

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Aparently PS3 output will be the same but there will be a bunch of PS3 hardware just waiting for diodes.

Van:
AFAIK GTA4 isn't shipping this year anyway. But it can't be good to miss the hollidays + I'm sure a lot of europeans will be pissed off.


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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 13:15 Edited at: 6th Sep 2006 13:17
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Quote: "I'm sure a lot of europeans will be pissed off"


I expect that most people will either go for a 360 or a Wii or both at Christmas. People only have 1 or 2 consoles in their house, its not hugely common for people to have all 3 so I guess Sony is going to dip out.

If/when the PS3 flumps it'll cost Sony dearly..

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Yep, I for one am not going to bother with a PS3, too expensive, it's the Wii for me!

Sony are excluding themself from the christmas rush, which might cost them dearly, didn't they pump around a billion into the development of the PS3 just to get it out on time in the first place?

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Quote: "didn't they pump around a billion into the development of the PS3 just to get it out on time in the first place?"


I'm sure it was far more considering they had to develop an entirely new processor and media format.

Its the Wii for me too, if it takes off like the DS has done I think we'll see many more great games than the few we saw on the GC.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 13:39 Edited at: 6th Sep 2006 13:42
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Yeah and they let a patenting issue delay them for most of the time I hear. 0_o What's their excuse this time? The PS3 is never coming out lol

They probably found a flaw like it was so fast it changed the channels on the tv or something.

[edit] LOL a diode shortage eh ... gonna be a power button shortage next 0_o

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I'm sick of sony. They can keep their PS3 for all I care. Who ever is project manager over there needs to be shot. It's probably some unpronoucable name that starts with a k and ends with a j. Sony breaks commitments over and over again.
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@LIT: Unlikely, the specs seem to decrease everytime I look at them, soon it'll be the equivalent of a low-end pc lol

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Bearing in mind places like play.com, when you preorder the ps3 you have to pay in advance Probably the same for quite a few places. Quite a few of my friends already said "screw this" and cancelled the preorder. So have I now, gonna buy a nice PC and a wii instead of which the price of a ps3 can cover

What are they trying to do this time? Improve hardware? Copy protection? They've used all those excuses before.
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I still have a ps1 with about 100 games.
I havent bothered with xbox or ps2 etc.etc..
ps1 games on a 42 inch plasma is like retro on steroids!

I dont have the time anymore, i sometimes dig up Call of Duty on the mac.
Life gets in the way.


i wonder what matt is going to say since hes the biggest sony advocate here.

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Depends whether he's in a Pal area or not. If he's not, he'll get it in November

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Delays in getting custom components could easily kill a launch schedule. Like even the smallest IC could delay things enough, because it takes so long to produce chips, and it really doesn't take much to throw them out of spec.

We (the company I work for) supply chips to Siemens, Texas Instruments, Tyco - we also make a standard PC power supply chip that's in about 60% of PC's. When we bork a delivery schedule, things can get very ugly - especially with companies like Siemens. I can see how that could delay things a lot, some advanced IC's can take 6 months to produce, and tend to only show problems once they're finished and get tested.

But I've no idea why the delay, probably a lot of excuses, maybe they're waiting on people forgetting the old spec they promised us, and what we'll end up with is a glorified PS2 with better graphics. Place your bets...

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Dont Sony produce a lot of their own chips though? In which case they'd have very little excuse, and only themselves to blame

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The HDMI cable does not come with the PS3, so if you go out and buy a PS3 and you want to use the hidef part, don't forget to shell out another $40-$80 for that cable (unless you get it online for $3).

It kind of nausiates me when cables, CABLES, are marked up 4000%. It's only wire and a plastic molding on either end!

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Ill just tape 3 ps1's together and beat the hype and the cost

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Delayed. Suprise, suprise, they're probably miffed about the wii having motion senses and force feedback, while theirs only could manage a last minute motion sensor function (at least that was the case the e3)

@indi: lol, nice one, why didn't i think of that idea!

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The Wii just won.

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I dont really care about the PS3, all I need is my PC. You can upgrade your PC to run better games and software, but you cant upgrade your PS3 if you dont have the hardware or tools.

Any way, the PS3 Sucks, my george foreman grill is better.

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Quote: "i wonder what matt is going to say since hes the biggest sony advocate here."


You mean fanboy, right?

So much negative Sony press lately, it's great. The controller missing the basic vibration, the PS3 having FAR less power than originally promised, UMDs going tits up, the DS beating the snot out of the PSP, the SOA prez saying the PS3 will replace the PC, the basic PS3 not being upgradeable, the HDMI cable missing from the box, the $600 US price, the DRM'ed Blu-Ray drive that frankly nobody is crying out for--- what's next? No backwards compatibility?


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Quote: "the PS3 having FAR less power than originally promised"


Didn't hear about that one, wouldn't surprise me though. Sony hyper the PS2 through the roof and that didn't have half the power we were told it would.

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The shortage of blue laser diodes have been mentioned before on hardware sites. It's a problem all BD player manufactures suffers from right now and not only Sony and PS3.

What people tend to foget when they talk about who is going to win the next gen console war is that we are talking about the next 6 years here. Selling 10 million units more or less doesn't matter when you sell over 100 million units like Sony did with PS2, and still counting. PS1 had a 10 year lifespan and Sony expects PS2 and PS3 to have the same. Unlike Xbox and GC that doesn't even come close. People also tend to forget the fact that PS2 is probably going to outsell 360 this year overall. Not to forget that still a year after launch 360 doesn't sell much in Japan, the worlds largest market.


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Quote: "PS1 had a 10 year lifespan"


In what country is this? That would mean PS1 games were being released up until 2005? Not likely. If that figure is based on people playing it, well I still play my 3DO everyday, does that mean its lifespan is 12 years?

Quote: "Unlike Xbox and GC that doesn't even come close"


Seeing as how the Xbox and GC haven't been out for 10 years yet, that's unfair.

The PS2 was released in 2000, only 5 years after the PS1, so I'm still wondering where your 10 year lifespan comes into play.

Quote: "People also tend to forget the fact that PS2 is probably going to outsell 360 this year overall."


A lot of that has to do with price. Hell, the PS2 is dropping another 20% in price--- if you're a hardcore gamer and love RPGs, you'd be foolish not to have a PS2


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Quote: "Selling 10 million units more or less doesn't matter when you sell over 100 million units like Sony did with PS2"


Uhmm you're talking 10%, that IS quite a lot. And the PS2 was released 6 years ago, and is being replaced by the PS3 (whenever sony decided to bring it out).

In all fairness, with the prices as they are, Sony is gonna need every sale they can get. A hell of a lot of sales around parents buying christmas presents, assuming they'd spend 400 quid + on a single present, so it's a double blow

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Or, from Sony's point of view:



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Jeku:
From Wikipedia: "By March 2005, the PlayStation/PSone had shipped a total of over 100.49 million units, becoming the first home console to ever reach the 100 million mark."

10 years after release and 5 years after the launch of PS2 it was still selling. I admit that I was unfair on GC and Xbox though. But support for GC and Xbox among developers are not as strong as for PS2. The advantage of PS2 is the number of consoles and the backwards compability of PS3.

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10% is a lot but when PS2 outsells Xbox and GC together it's not enough to budge them from it's leading possition. IIRC PS2 have about 60% of the market (not including handhelds). 10% of 60% means that in that case Sony would give up 6% to Nintendo and MS to fight over, PS3 would have a 54% market share! Of course we have to calculate the market increase and Wii might actually change the size of the console market quite a lot but that remains to be seen.

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EU doesn't buy as many consoles as USA or Japan making it the 3rd largest market. Actually I just read somewhere (probably Gamespot) that UK alone is the 3rd largest market!


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Well, regardless of the past, history has shown that the mighty leaders end up falling to last. Atari, Nintendo, and soon IMO Sony.


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@ van b,
the next gta-4 will be out in mid 2007 anyway, it wasn't going to be a release title for ps3

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Quote: "what's next? No backwards compatibility?"

http://ps3.net/newsboard/view.php?id=440


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despite what you are all saying, imagine the irony if it came out perfectly fine

i dont see this as a bad thing, if they need more time, then yeh, use it, but they are obviously not going to release it all bad and expensive, like any other company there business departments will sort it out

...or not, what do i know, im just going by faith, but personally, i have never seen a bad product come out of Sony, they arent gonna release it bad, maybe they are using the time for a good reason

thats what i like to believe


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Eh? Wow... sony not only just shot itself in the foot but in the mouth.

But I'm not to worried about it the backwards compatibility though. They said the same thing when ps2 came out about being able to play ps1 games on them. Everything turned out ok then.
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This is bad for Sony, but good for Microsoft and Nintendo. I'm gonna get a Wii, I almost said I'd get a 360, but no point, most of the games I'd play on there I'd be able to run when I get a new comp, oblivion, quake 4, Call of Duty 2 (I can already run it) FEAR, Prey.


I think Sony should get their act together...They are potentially losing business, with the delays and price...but then again, it could end up like Vista, delay and then later get good business, but the differance there is, Windows users have to use vista if they want to keep up to date .

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It's true - when the PS2 came out, we had a lot of people coming into the shop I was in, checking to make sure the games they had would run on their new PS2 - and several games wouldn't.

Admittedly, that was about 5-8 games out of a catelogue of a couple of hundred, but a few people were miffed. Still - as far as I know, the PS2 had a PS1 chip in it, so that it could run the games, and the PS3 may have a PS2 chip (which contains the PS1 chip) to try to keep compatibility. Mind you - could all be rumours. Really thick-liquidy rumours. (Geek points for whoever gets the pun.)

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Latest figures show that Europe is one of the biggest gaming markets in the world, certainly larger than Japan and fast catching up with North America. As Europe gets closer to merging into the worlds first "super-nation" it's going to have many implications for the gaming market. Any company that doesn't take notice of these changes is making a big mistake.


Quote: "Well, regardless of the past, history has shown that the mighty leaders end up falling to last. Atari, Nintendo, and soon IMO Sony."


The true mighty leaders are those that can learn from their mistakes, just look at what Nintendo has achieved over the last 2 years with the explosion of the DS. Even against the mighty PSP brand.

Nintendo fell to last place because it got complacent, but it always had its GameBoy brand to back it up and keep it afloat. Sony is banking its entire company's future on the PS3.


@ DA:

Remember the PS3 doesn't have a set market share already, it currently has 0% until it starts to ship hardware, no matter how much the PS2 has.

And the Wii is going to do fantastically well, the DS was indeed a market test as I've heard people saying. The DS has done brilliantly considering all the bad press it got and now Nintendo is sure that its safe to drop the big bomb; Wii-style. I remember saying how the DS was going to do great, and the PSP not so great a few years back, and thats exactly what happened. I'm sure the same will happen with the Wii.

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Quote: "personally, i have never seen a bad product come out of Sony"


Right, we wont mention Dell and Apple's exploding laptop batteries then, courtesy of Sony, and the CD protection software that installed a serious security vulnerability onto computers, and their patch for that which made things worse. Nor the UMD, or everything else really they made in the last few years. They're really in trouble at the moment creatively

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First I want to mention that PS3 will take regular HDMI cables unlike 360. Not a lot of people have HD TVs so why put 1 of them in?

From Gamespot: "That said, the premium PlayStation 3 has a standard HDMI output, meaning it can use regular HDMI cables. Those can be found for far lower prices on sites such as eBay, where a 15-foot HDMI-to-HDMI cable can go for under $10."


As for backwards compatibility regarding: "Some PlayStation 2 or PlayStation format software titles may perform differently on this system than they do on PlayStation 2 or PlayStation systems, or may not perform properly on this system. In rare instances, CDs, DVDs, Blu-ray discs and other media may not operate properly on the PS3 system. This is primarily due to variations in the manufacturing process or encoding of the software."

They can't say that PS3 will play every single game or disc, this is just to cover themselves legally. I rember an interview with IBM about the low Cell yields that Sony was quite serious about backwards compability for PS3.

And I would like to quote Wikipedia again: "By the end of March 2005, there were 5,277 PS2 titles released worldwide, accounting for cumulative sales of 824 million units. With backwards-compatibility to PlayStation games, the PS2 had a released software library of 13,020 titles after 5 years and 27 days". So that's roughly about 7800 compatible PS1 titles.


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Playstation's track reckord is quite solid though with PS1 shipping 102 milion units in 10 years and P2 still going strong at over 106 milion units after 6 years. I do not find it very likely that PS3 in 6 years from now have lost enough market share to not come out at top thanks to faitfull customers, backward compability, BD capability, pheripals (where PS2 is clearly in the lead) and a lot of best selling exclusive series like FF, MGS, Tekken, Jak & Daxter (if they return) and Ratchet & Clank.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a drop in market share, especially in US where 360 have a very strong customer base. But 360's bad Japanese sales really cuts into it's market share. How the Wii will preform is unknown. DS sure outdid any predictions and is still selling roughly about as good as PSP, thanks to DS Lite. I think the first year or so will be very crusial for Wii or it may loose the developers support.


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Quote: "personally, i have never seen a bad product come out of Sony"


Hahahaa! You have to be the single most luckiest person on Earth then to have avoided every single one of their inferior products

I work in a computer repair shop from time to time, you should do the same to see the horrors of sony equipment. I have a pile of sony dvd drives that wont read dvds right next to my desk as we speak. A pile that is slowly reaching the top of the ceiling.

The troubles I've had repairing sony and dell machines are legendary. We're talking brand new machines with corrupt bios, memory burnt out, graphics cards showing large green pixels on screen, and lots of other nasty nasty things that I've never seen on a computer before I'm not even going to get started with the computers I've had in the shop that had that god damned sony disk malware.

I got a dead sony laptop that sony completely refuse to repair because the screen isn't covered by their warrenty (WTH), they are trying to charge me £800 for repairs. I also own a sony mp3 player that turns itself off every 5mins too I'm glad I didn't buy one of their HDready TV's, a guy who lives down the street from me bought a nice one the other day, yesterday his house burnt down... coincidence?
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Quote: "DS sure outdid any predictions and is still selling roughly about as good as PSP, thanks to DS Lite."


Actually it's out selling the PSP.

Its the games that sell a platform, and the PS3 is loosing many of those to the 360. Also Nintendo is showing that it can create new ideas instead of re-hashing the old ones so its going to have a strong 1st party line up, as well as many 3rd party games.

Sony was successes because of the sheer number of exclusive games, Nintendo also has a large number of exclusive games which is increasing. Sony is loosing its exclusiveness. It’s becoming an also-ran.

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Quote: "I got a dead sony laptop that sony completely refuse to repair because the screen isn't covered by their warrenty"


Screens are NEVER covered under the default laptop warranty-- it's always classed as accidental damage.

Quote: "First I want to mention that PS3 will take regular HDMI cables unlike 360. Not a lot of people have HD TVs so why put 1 of them in?"


If I was daft enough to purchase a PS3 out of the starting gate, I want the HDMI cable included, as I have a compatible TV. And if the cable only costs $10, why not put it in?

The point is, there's only a reason to purchase PS3 for the exclusive games--- for games that are released across the board I would be very surprised to see a difference between the 360 and PS3 versions. I'm predicting the Blu-Ray format will be dead almost as soon as it's in the market, judging by the lack of customer enthusiasm and the fact that the HD-DVD movies have been better quality as of so far. And like I said before, is there even a small demand for movies that are better than DVD quality? Didn't think so. Microsoft was smart to allow the user to upgrade to an HD-DVD adapter in the future, rather than burden them with a $600 machine for playing expensive movies when the real point of the machine is gaming


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Posted: 7th Sep 2006 02:20 Edited at: 7th Sep 2006 02:21
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In a few years HD-DVD will be the standard but we won't call it HD-DVD anymore, we'll just call it DVD. Thats part of the brilliance of the name; people will buy HD-DVD because they know the DVD part, and the HD bit just means bigger and better to most customers.

Whereas BluRay is a "cool" name, it means nothing to customers. The name is the first thing customers will see of a product and if they understand the product completely after that first glance, its "as good as sold".

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Posted: 7th Sep 2006 02:24
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Quote: "Screens are NEVER covered under the default laptop warranty-- it's always classed as accidental damage"


I failed to mention dead pixels started to show up a week after I bought it which is what annoyed me. I'm sure its the graphics card part of it, it looks like symptoms of a card overheating so much it damages the card, but they keep telling me its the screen and I need to pay for repairs. I can't really prove otherwise so Meh, im sure they are trying to rob me. It would be cheaper for me to buy a new non-sony laptop.
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Posted: 7th Sep 2006 05:22
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Quote: "The name is the first thing customers will see of a product and if they understand the product completely after that first glance, its "as good as sold"."


erm Wii ?


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