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Chris K
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Posted: 19th Jun 2007 15:57 Edited at: 19th Jun 2007 16:05
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Whoa.

This is the first time ever the BBFC has refused clasification for a game. (EDIT: Scrap that they banned the original Carmegeddon)

Generally, it will get a 15 (can only be sold to people 15 or older) if it is realistically violent (and not a war game) or very violent but unrealistic (like Gears), and it will get an 18 if it is very violent AND contains drugs or nudity (GTA, God of War)...

Kind of shocked... but they have given good reasons I suppose.

Kotaku has the rest:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/breaking/manhunt-2-banned-in-uk-270070.php

Here's their statement:

Quote: ""Rejecting a work is a very serious action and one which we do not take lightly. Where possible we try to consider cuts or, in the case of games, modifications which remove the material which contravenes the Board's published Guidelines. In the case of Manhunt 2 this has not been possible. Manhunt 2 is distinguishable from recent high-end video games by its unremitting bleakness and callousness of tone in an overall game context which constantly encourages visceral killing with exceptionally little alleviation or distancing. There is sustained and cumulative casual sadism in the way in which these killings are committed, and encouraged, in the game.

"Although the difference should not be exaggerated the fact of the game's unrelenting focus on stalking and brutal slaying and the sheer lack of alternative pleasures on offer to the gamer, together with the different overall narrative context, contribute towards differentiating this submission from the original Manhunt game. That work was classified '18' in 2003, before the BBFC's recent games research had been undertaken, but was already at the very top end of what the Board judged to be acceptable at that category."

"Against this background, the Board's carefully considered view is that to issue a certificate to Manhunt 2, on either platform, would involve a range of unjustifiable harm risks, to both adults and minors, within the terms of the Video Recordings Act, and accordingly that its availability, even if statutorily confined to adults, would be unacceptable to the public." "


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Posted: 19th Jun 2007 16:05
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I actually agree with their decision. What annoys me though is that I find films FAR more offensive released with 18 ratings, that go well above and beyond whatever Manhunt 2 will depict. Bit of double-standards going on here, political agenda at work imho.

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I can only assume that they had problems with it being the 'hero' who is killing.

Hostel and things are probably more violent, but the audience is not on the side of the murderer...

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Posted: 19th Jun 2007 16:07 Edited at: 19th Jun 2007 16:12
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Not really surprising, Manhunt 2 is really pushing it.

If this were in America, I would've made a joke about some uncovered nipple that actually is the real problem, but it's the UK. Shame. But not really strange - Manhunt 1 was pushing it, Manhunt 2 pushed too far.

Probably will become a bit of a Postal franchise, but then fun and most likely a lot sicker.

Also, difference is the player is undertaking the actions, instead of passively watching. I agree with the decision, and I laughed at the comments at the link you provided.

I think the board is more than capable of judging what is and what isn't good for the audience - I don't know who the examinators are, but they did complete the game - and they're probably gamers as it's their work to game. My favorite games-magazine also stated the game was nearly 'too sick to be released', so if even an independent game-mag states that...


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Posted: 19th Jun 2007 16:19 Edited at: 19th Jun 2007 16:23
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Carmegeddon was only banned in Australia, mind you the SNES version got green blood (globaly) and they called them zombies, but i guess Nintendos are for kids

"I would've made a joke about some uncovered nipple " Disney Aladdin censorship?

Chainsaw Masacre was recently reclassifed, it's realy a sick film and should have stayed banned in my opinion, i felt like I had some kind of war stress dissorder after seeing it

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WTF? Why does it have to be banned, that's just silly. If your not 18, you shouldn't be able to buy a game that might teach you how to kill people... I mean, most 18+ year olds know it is wrong to stick an Asda bag over a kid to kill them. People who want and have done stupid things like this, don't need a game to tell them how.

My brother who was about 12 at the time, played man hunt, yet he hasn't gone off killing people.

I don't get why they need to ban it, they could just give it an 18+ and a warning of what it contains.

I hate old people who blame video games on violent behaviour, its just bull. A kid will grow up on their own terms, of what they think is right or wrong and their parents should teach them whats good or bad. Most of the time, it can just be a bad egg with good parents, but you get the odd parents who don't give a damn what their kids are doing.

I have a feeling though, that man hunt 2 will be unbanned.
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Being banned will only give it free publicity and make people want it more, damn I'm definatly gona put a church in my next game

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Posted: 19th Jun 2007 16:47 Edited at: 19th Jun 2007 16:48
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No matter how severely it is age limited, it will get played by people that are too young. It makes sense to ban this game. Rockstar makes a living making games that push the envelope, they just went to far this time. I hope it's banned in the U.S., there are better ways to convey gameplay elements.

Quote: "Being banned will only give it free publicity and make people want it more, damn I'm definatly gona put a church in my next game"

You know what, that is actually an excellent idea. If I turned a real church into a brothel and then leaked it myself, I'd get mad publicity...


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Posted: 19th Jun 2007 17:01 Edited at: 20th Jun 2007 01:48
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Posted: 19th Jun 2007 17:10
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Quote: "Carmegeddon was only banned in Australia"


I've seen it on store shelves before... I always look at it and think "Racing + Killing, what an odd combination"

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It's not silly. It's perfectly logical to avoid children of getting in contact with such things that even I, and I think a lot of gamers with me, find fairly disgusting. I think the board is no less than correct to totally ban the game.

Nothing against Rockstar, just against this game.


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I agree with Richard Davey and Cash Curtis II.

This game SHOULD be banned in every country.

What every happened to Mario? Hmmmm? How about those old fashion racing games on SNES? Or how about a good snowboarding/sports video game? Hmmmm?

Of course, a balanced amount of violence is good. And if a game is fun, yet has no violence, then you must applaud. Look what violence has done to the world. It's not a great place (depending on where you live). Endorsing this violence will most likely cause more corruption. And that's where we need to pay more attention to.

Banning certain games should be done more often.
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Yeah, I'm for the ban too. Sounds over the top to me. I bet it's crap as well. If it was an exhilerating, brilliantly crafted play experience, then I'd feel it was a bit gutting, but if its anything like the first one, it'll be very mediocre with absolutely no positive message. I don't mind "random shocking violence meated out arbitrarily" (Dungeon Keeper Narrator) if it's done well, and as said in the press release, balanced with other game elements, but Manhunt is just mediocre OTT sadism which tries to hide an average->poor game behind extreme violence. Lame.

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It probably is a crappy game, just excessively violent. Let's all hope the USA bans it as well. If it passes in the US, then everyone on the board should be fired for allowing it.

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I have no desire to play the game, I got flamed before for saying I would never work on such a game no matter what they paid me, yet I think a ban (US at least) is a poor idea. If people can buy books on how to make bombs, schematics to modify rifles or pistols into full auto, Porn in the boatload, and numerous other things all protected by the the Constitution why should this be any different. We all know that banning (Outlawing) drugs worked just great. Let consumers make the decsision, I can already say that the largest video game retailer in the US, Wal-mart, will never carry it. As long as the buyer is warned of the content there is no need to ban it.

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If the last one was anything to go by, Manhunt 2 has been banned for being crap, not for being violent.

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What is so bad about manhunt 2? Not supporting it, I\'m just curious to what rockstar did to push the envelope so far that it would be banned worldwide. I never played the original but I heard that it was a terrible game which resulted in the death of a teenage boy.

HOWEVER..

With an adult rating, children and adult children would never be allowed to touch the game. Oooh wait i know, lets cattle prod children into submission because that makes as much sense as letting a 12yr. old purchase a m-rated game *that goes for parent and clerk.

BUT...

Manhunt 2 has seemingly pushed people to the limit of sickness that they cannot agree with the public viewing such terrible acts. The only problem i forsee with this is curiosity and the onset of imports. So I do agree with something as sick as being truly brutal to an unsupecting victim and why, simple. There are just too many egotistical horomone driven teenagers that think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread and will try this and will do something stupid and will land in a s**tpot.

IN CONCLUSION...

Manhunt 2 gets a thumbs down from me even though i hav enot witnessed any of the scenes from the game. Any game that has to be banned is clearly not ready for the public and even though some may say freedom of expression is being violated, we are not trying to mold our generation into silent ticking bombs. So you know what, agree or disagree with me I don\'t care for this game and i\'m quite happy about the ban. MARIO PARTY FOR ME

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I've never heard of a game being banned in the US, but we have a different rating system. You have E (everyone), E10+ (Everyone 10 and up), T (Teen), M (Mature), and AO (Adult Only). Mature is 17+ and I'm not sure what the age for AO is, but it will probably just get an AO rating, one rarely given out.


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so, i wanted to know what all the craziness is about, so i did a search for game play footage on youtube. so i was watching a guy play it on the Wii, and I was like wtf? Ohe part he sneaks up behind someone, and takes out a metal wire, wraps it around the guys neck, and the guy playing holds his Wii-mote(and other addon joystick) and starts to move it back and forth, character on screen was doing the same thing, in order to slit the guys throat.

where does that get fun?? interactive killing? and its detailed...

thats not fun, just stupid

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edit: last time i checked, AO is only 18+...which is the legal adult age in the states. though your also legally an adult once you've graduated high school, which can be done at an earlier age...but you would have to prove it when buying the game, lol.

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@Hobgoblin Lord

The biggest video game retailer in the world is the EB/GS. they share the same warehouses. I checked their website.

Quote: "With over 4,400 warehouses in North America, Europe, and Asia, we are the largest video game retailer in the world."


I think you're wrong though. For a small time in the 70's in Southern Spain, they outlawed cigarettes for 2 years, but imports were still legal. Once completely legalized, the rate of smokers increased 41%.

We need to keep this game off the shelves. End of story.
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world perhaps but in the US Walmart outsells everyone in cd's, videogames, and just about everything else. GS/EB claim is based on number of locations and that they are a video game retailer only (which walmart is not considered) however for 2006 Walmart sold just over 40% of all videogames sold in the US.

Quote: "We need to keep this game off the shelves. End of story"


Fair enough, we also need to keep off the shelves anything that someone does not like. This game will not lead to massive violence, it is not an instruction manual, and people can purchase books on how to kill people so why the heck is this any different.

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Quote: "Carmegeddon was only banned in Australia"


It was banned in the UK. They re-released it in the UK as a 15 with Green Blood and zombies. People spent hours downloading the blood patch on 28K modems.

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Why didn't they just make the first level very hard, but just some pink bunnies or something, lol. Then the BBFC would never no about the bad bits!


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Quote: "people can purchase books on how to kill people"


I'm pretty sure a book that revelled in cruelly killing people would not get published either.

It is slightly different because there is no unified clasification board for books.

To be honest, how does it effect you though? What's the point in getting worked up?

Unless you are:
1. British
2. Planning on getting it

It really doesn't mean a thing.

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Funny how the majority of you agree with this ban, yet so many of you were adamantly crying foul in the New York thread where they're making it a crime to sell violent games to kids. Make up your minds

As any form of "art", I believe this game should not be banned how it is. There are obviously fans of "murder simulators" who get off on the violence, and I say "let them get off" with Manhunt 2. Seriously, there has never been positive research indicating a violent video game can turn somebody into a serial killer.

That being said, if Joe Dirtbag sells Manhunt 2 to a 12 year-old girl, he should be sent to prison and should have his store shut down. The penalties for selling games to underage kids must be very tame, as I see kids buying violent video games almost every time I'm stuck in line at EB. If you give serious consequences, like prison time, then stores and their employees will get their shite together.

Like Rich said, this is a double standard. Hell, I just saw Hostel 2 where it showed somebody slowly slicing a girl's body, while she hung upside down, with her blood pouring down while she screamed. The scene seemed to last forever, and it was very graphic and detailed. Natural Born Killers came out what-- 15 years ago? That was brutally violent too, yet not banned. Who knows, maybe Hostel 2 was banned in the UK as well, but I didn't hear anything about it.

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Kids that are likely to be affected by a game like this don't have responsible parents, so classifying it 18 won't make a difference. They don't read books about bomb making or killing people either. They probably can't even read. Unfortunately they probably still watch Steven Segal stabbing people arms and stabbing people in the throat, so it is double standard in a way, but banning stuff like this is a start I suppose.

I'd rather we had better enforcement of ratings so that we didn't have to have this sort of crappy legislation, but that's expensive. It's easier to just ban things.

Edit: @Jeku - Natural Born Killers was banned in this country. Only came off the banned list about 5 or so years ago.


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I can't believe it's been banned. The Manhunt/murder link was really weak and the perpetrator was mentaly unstable - it's not the fault of the game. Like everyone has been saying only adults should be able to play the game, so there shouldn't be a problem. Hopefully it'll be overturned on appeal. It's just game.

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Quote: "I'm pretty sure a book that revelled in cruelly killing people would not get published either."


I am sure they exist as my cousin bought several from Mr Hann at the army/navy store. One on Knife fighting(taught not only how to fight with them but the best killing strikes), one on the best way to administer poisons, and the anarchists cookbook (showed how to make all sorts of bombs). Now he bought them to be "cool", but still they are available. In fact the anarchists cookbook was in our local library (probably still is).

Quote: "1) There are now a plethora of knifefighting books and detailed how-to videos on the shelf;"


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http://www.knifefighting-fl.com/lawenforcement.htm

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Or have the game work like the Wii parental control system. If a parent lets a kid go on a game underage, and the kid goes mad, throw the offending parent in jail and send the key by airmail to the planes of Oblivion.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Quote: "Chainsaw Masacre was recently reclassifed, it's realy a sick film and should have stayed banned in my opinion, i felt like I had some kind of war stress dissorder after seeing it"


It's supposed to be that horrific, if I remember rightly it was based on a true story - depicting how sick the event was only creates the sympathy for the real victims needed and to show how cruel people can be - as well as making people crap their pants.


As for this ban, I agree too and I think Higgins missed the point up there (Haven't read the rest of the thread, you try putting up with my monitor's problem when reading messages ). False reality repressent in a realistic way can effect people's behaviour - not 'will', some people have a good sense of reality and won't be effected by it, but what about those without a good sense of reality? Even your cannibis smoking chav may take some influence from things that are realistically violent - imagine what your druggies and schizophrenics (Or drugged up schizophrenic like my uncle) would see from something like this - I doubt they'll go out and do the exact sort of things, but they may feel a glorification of that kind of violence and may give it a go - or worsen it. The chances and numbers are probably low for anybody to be influenced - and if anyone tells me the media can't influence you, then you're probably a fool because it basically influences far more than you'll care to notice. But the majority of society have a good grip with reality and will not be influenced by violence - hence we're not all axe-weilding maniacs - but there is a minority so there is some influence and well I'm sure that's enough to ban something like this. I know I wouldn't be influenced - I'm sure nobody else here would be.

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They should also ban Mario for taking mushrooms

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I have to say, there's a big difference between using a directional pad/analog joystick to kill something, than using your "bare hands" (wiimote).
I think this kind of games shouldn't be made for the wii.
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The BBFC has just made that game the most popular game ever congrats people O.o

I personally don't think it should be banned, although I hate the game its just far too horrific for me.

Banning movies didn't work, Evil dead for example was extremly popular even though it was banned for quite a while. If I wanted to I could just buy the banned stuff from another country and have it sent to me. Won't likely get taken buy customs cause who's gonna care whats in a dvd case?

Quote: "Chainsaw Masacre was recently reclassifed, it's realy a sick film and should have stayed banned in my opinion, i felt like I had some kind of war stress dissorder after seeing it"


You know the original had pretty much no blood whatsoever right? It barely showed any gore, if i remember correctly there was none at all. Everyone was just shocked at what they thought they saw. The remake was a gorefest though but it wasn't banned.

I thought hostel was far more horrific than any game I've played or movie I've seen. I would say its the same, if not worse than the manhunt game. I don't remember a big fuss about that.

By the way if this game is banned, soon they will find excuses to ban other games.
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I really don't think this has anything to do with children playing the game, or with the supposed link between the original and that guy getting stabbed by his friend...

Basically, they looked at this game by itself, and decided that it was unsuitable for public release, ie. any person.

It's like if someone released a game called Paedophile Simulator in which graphically depicted the rape of 5 year old boys and girls. That game would not receive an 18 certificate because it is unsuitable for someone who is over 18, ie. it is unsuitable for anyone.

That is exactly what has happened with this game.

Of course the goverment has the power to ban material which is too offensive for the public, I fail to see how anyone can have a problem with this.

The only objection anyone could have would be that this particular game should pass classification, but seeing as none of us have played it I don't see how that makes sense.

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Another game is trying for "The Most Controversial Game 2007" award..

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23401211-details/Mother's%20fury%20as%20computer%20games%20uses%20image%20of%20Bulger%20kidnap/article.do

It features image of Jamie Bulger CCTV where kids led him away to kill him on a rail track. I wonder what controversial game will be leaked next for the press to find and give free publicity too?

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OK apparently its been rated AO in America which means a lot of shops will refuse to sell it...

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Quote: "Natural Born Killers was banned in this country"


Strange... I could swear that I watched it in Northern Ireland in 1995. I wonder if I'm remembering it wrong or the English law on this matter is different that Northern Ireland's?

Anyway, the games it seems it has been rated AO in the US today. I have a general problem with censorship in the sense that today's this (admittedly ghastly) game but tomorrow is the right of people to congregate, or attend church or whatever. It's a fine line between a nanny state and dictatorship.

The game looks rubbish and, by all means, create a 30+ age rating for it if need be. But until a piece of art/entertainment is actually hurting real humans to be produced (like kiddy Porn or snuff movies), then don't ban it.

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On a side note, i thought the original hostel was stupid, i bought it hearing all sorts of great reviews. As a horror movie buff I bought the unrated edition and was promplty dissapointed by what i thought was a porn.

Jeku-Was hostel 2 good? that scene you described has me reintrigued in hostel. I don't like to be dissapointed , i want to be scared.

I went to eb today, manhunt 2 is up for the wii and despite what i said above i know i'd play it for the same reason i stated, curiosity. I do want to know what is so bad about it and i guess i'll find out.

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Lame.

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I've never liked the manhunt series. I can't say I'm sorry.
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Quote: "Basically, they looked at this game by itself, and decided that it was unsuitable for public release, ie. any person."


The government should not have a say as to it's suitability for ANY person. That is for the consumer market to decide.

Quote: "It's like if someone released a game called Paedophile Simulator in which graphically depicted the rape of 5 year old boys and girls. That game would not receive an 18 certificate because it is unsuitable for someone who is over 18, ie. it is unsuitable for anyone."


It's not even close, child porn(even simulated) is illegal in any form to people of any age, violence on the other hand is not as we can see by the number of slasher flicks that come out each year.

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Hobgoblin Lord. You obviously didn't live through the 70's and 80's have you? With this violence, it's just pushing the standards more and more. Back in the 80's, kids usually didn't see violence.

1) Because thay had ACTUAL LIVES AND DIDN'T SIT ON COMPUTERS ALL DAY LIKE MOST KIDS TODAY DO!

2) No violent video games, but violent movies. And the movies usually weren't that bad.

We need to take action to stop violent games and content. WE NEED MORE BANS!
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Quote: "We need to take action to stop violent games and content. WE NEED MORE BANS! "


Could you possibly be any more narrow minded?I resent anybody telling me what games I can and can't play...for any reason.
Censorship like this is not a good thing.I really don't care for the Manhunt series but let's put this in perspective.
Lots of games feature killing people?What happens if every game where you can kill someone is banned?The answer is boredom.
I like Mario.I have lots (and I mean lots of video games from the 2600 to the PS2 and I like a wide variety of video games.
I am a grown adult and I can tell the difference between reality and a video game so if I want to fire up a game and kill a few people that's all good.makes a great stress reliever too.
I want the freedom to choose what games I want to buy or play and not have it left up to the government or anybody else.
They didn't ban or AO The Punisher so I don't see why they would do so with this game.

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Quote: "It's not even close, child porn(even simulated) is illegal in any form to people of any age, violence on the other hand is not as we can see by the number of slasher flicks that come out each year."


Excessive violence is illegal in any form too!

WTF, of course it is.

Did you not read their statement:

Quote: "within the terms of the Video Recordings Act"


Which is the law regarding obscene material being released to the public.

That is why snuff movies are illegal.

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Quote: "child porn(even simulated) is illegal in any form to people of any age, violence on the other hand is not as we can see by the number of slasher flicks that come out each year"


And therein lies the case for a ban! Because you see slasher movies, you think it's legal!?!?!?!?!?!

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Quote: "I am a grown adult and I can tell the difference between reality and a video game so if I want to fire up a game and kill a few people that's all good.makes a great stress reliever too.
I want the freedom to choose what games I want to buy or play and not have it left up to the government or anybody else."


And they decide otherwise, for those who cannot do that. The majority always suffers under the few. It is quite simple: They found the material inappropriate. That is no censorship, that is protecting citizens. Personally, I find Manhunt was pushing it, and what I saw of Manhunt 2 was disgusting - the Wii version not even counted.

I can see how people rate their liberty higher than the decisions of the board, cause I would probably be pissed as well, but I can understand the decision and I, personally, would support it if it was in the Netherlands too.

Quote: "That is why snuff movies are illegal."

That is like, the real-life version of Manhunt 2.


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MOntey Pythons "Life of Brian" was banned in a lot of countires.

I have to laugh because all the way through the film he says I'M NOT THE SON OF GOD, he's just Brian who lived a few door down the street from where Jesus was born! Yet in real life people still think it's film about Jesus (life imitating art me thinks)

If you missed this film it realy is a must watch

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Quote: "Strange... I could swear that I watched it in Northern Ireland in 1995. I wonder if I'm remembering it wrong or the English law on this matter is different that Northern Ireland's?"


Not sure. Apparently it was banned for 8 years. Perhaps Northern Ireland has it's own certification laws, or perhaps the film was initially released and then banned later when a bunch of politicians caused an up-roar (often happens!). You might've caught it just before it was banned.


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@FredP
My point right there! YOU ARE AN ADULT! WE NEED TO BAN THESE FROM KIDS. If you can hanld what you're seeing, and make that difference, then you should be able to play. A LOT OF KIDS CAN'T! The reason why I said that is because it's just pushing the standards of what people see...which is bad...

@GatorHex

I saw that movie! Yes, it was funny. I did take offense to it at parts though, but I wasn't going to get angry about it.
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By way of demonstration, he emitted a batlike squeak that was indeed bothersome.
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