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Zeus
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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 21:43
The Next Gen wars that is. Anyone agree?

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 21:48
That's nice for them...

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 21:48
Based on what. What argument do you have to substantiate your claim.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 21:49
What are we doing this on? Based on profits Nintendo by a MILE.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 21:50
By Next Gen do you mean the current generation?

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 22:02
PS3 & Xbox 360 = next gen.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 22:06
So,
next gen - PS3 = Xbox 360?
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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 22:14
Lol microsoft lose $125 dollars for every xbox 360 they make because of all the breakages so they have to make that up in sales of games.
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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 22:21
Someone told me that those companies always lose money in producing the consoles, but make the real money in games. Don't hold me to that though.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 22:30
How much of a cut do Sony/MS get of each game. I always thought that they sold the right to develop a game to the software house or do they get a % cut of net profit?

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 22:33
Quote: "Lol microsoft lose $125 dollars for every xbox 360 they make because of all the breakages so they have to make that up in sales of games."


B*llocks.

Microsoft make a small profit on every 360 sold, factor in the repairs and they probably break even roughly, Nintendo make a considerable profit on every Wii and DS sold, Sony make a considerable loss on every PS3 sold.

They all make most of their money on the games, in the case of SOny and MS, they make ALL THEIR MONEY on the games (and Live).

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 22:35
Ninty fanboy I see

Why do you think there's only 3 players in the next-gen market?

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 22:37
Microsoft broke my next-gen

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 22:44
Quote: "Ninty fanboy I see"


Fan of the franchises, not really the Wii.

DS kicks ass hard though.

Favourite console of this generation would be the 360, I will get one after they switch to less breaky processors and put the two heatsinks in as standard.

So many good games on 360 it is unbelievable...

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 22:45
Cool,


anyone any ideas why there are only 3 main players in this market? Is it the entry requirements to the market do you think?

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 22:49
The buy-in is far to great nowadays.

Sony and MS own most of the best studios in the world (or effectively own them), Nintendo owns it's Can't-Fail franchises...

The only people I could possible see making a console would be Apple, EA or Square...

If EA and Square teamed up, then they could have a chance... SquarEAnix.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 23:25
Didn't MS admit there was a problem with all of their xbox360 releases? It was to do with the 3 lights of death I believe
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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 23:44
The ring of death is a very bad thing indeed. Funny how it happens shortly after the xbox 360's warrenty expires
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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 23:48
Quote: "Didn't MS admit there was a problem with all of their xbox360 releases? It was to do with the 3 lights of death I believe"


I think they said that they have found several problems which increases the chances of hardware failure(aka the 3 lights of death). I also think that's why they have extended the warranty to 3 years if your xbox should suffer the 3 red lights.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 23:57
Quote: "So,
next gen - PS3 = Xbox 360? "


Or is it
nextgen - Xbox 360 = PS3?
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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 00:16
Quote: "anyone any ideas why there are only 3 main players in this market? Is it the entry requirements to the market do you think?"


Quite possible the fact that the SNES was the last console before the Wii that the manufacturers made any profit on to start with. That means the cost to establish a product in amounts great enough to make a difference are massive. Also of course the fact that Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are established console makers, so people are unlikely to buy an unknown console.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 02:27 Edited at: 26th Jul 2007 02:28
I'm sure I read somewhere MS said they would extend the warranty on 3 lights of death to 3 years to give buyers confidence in the product.

Sony realy screwed up the release of the PS3 in the UK. It was like a one year delay. Wii is last gen not next gen

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 02:32
Quote: "I'm sure I read somewhere MS said they would extend the warranty on 3 lights of death to 3 years to give buyers confidence in the product."


Yeah, they also did. Those tapes they play when you call their support also says that. Atleast the danish support-line does.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 03:14
I'm two steps shy of conceding the Sony race already. As it stands I'm thinking there's no hope, and Sony has seriously let down all of us Sony fanboys (and fangirls) out there. Not that the PS3 is inferior, it's their marketing and pricing that let us down.

Here's the official fanboy outlook: The PS3 is very much a Ferrari, and the XBox 360 is an Acura NSX. You'll see more NSX's around, because they're much more affordable than Ferrari's, even though they don't have nearly the same performance ratings . Some people will want the Ferrari, some will want the NSX, even though they all love to drive. I guess by this way of thinking, the Wii is a Toyota Camry?

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 03:17
Quote: "the Wii is a Toyota Camry?"


Yes... and everyone has one, and anyone can afford it



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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 03:34
My point exactly. Which is unfortunate for us Sony fanpeople, lol.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 04:27
JSG jumps off the PS3 wagon I see. Matt look forward to that long apology you were going to write one year after the PS3 release

Quote: "Wii is last gen not next gen "


That all depends, if you mean graphics then that is somewhat true, the Wii game experience/play however is a generation beyond the PS3 and 360.

Quote: "The PS3 is very much a Ferrari, and the XBox 360 is an Acura NSX. You'll see more NSX's around, because they're much more affordable than Ferrari's, even though they don't have nearly the same performance ratings "

Only in pricetag, not performance, the PS3 far better than the 360 performance wise is a myth right up there with medusa and the kraken.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 04:39
Quote: "Matt look forward to that long apology you were going to write one year after the PS3 release"

Oh, I've been planning on that. Not an apology though, more a concession speech. I didn't do anything wrong to apologize.

Quote: "Only in pricetag, not performance, the PS3 far better than the 360 performance wise is a myth right up there with medusa and the kraken."

I don't see how really, most (not all, but definitely most) of the cross-platform titles I've seen on both systems ran better and looked better on the PS3. There are definitely a few exceptions, but yeah, performance-wise I'd have to say the PS3 woops the 360, from what I've seen anyway.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 04:41
Quote: "Wii game experience/play however is a generation beyond the PS3 and 360"


What happened was something like this..

[head of Nintendo]"holy crud, look at the system MS and Sony are releasing it blows ours out of the water, what can we do?"

[Nintendo Game Boy]"I know we'll invent a joystick that your grandmother can use and we'll offload these modified game cubes on people who don't know anything about games consoles!"

Nintendo are legend for offloading crap, look at how they put Sega and Atari hand helds (colour) out of buisiness with a black & white handheld console. I guess marketing works then

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Quote: "most (not all, but definitely most) of the cross-platform titles I've seen on both systems ran better and looked better on the PS3."


Bollocks. Name even 1 game that runs better on PS3, and "whoops the 360 version" (in your words). Well I can start by naming you two NFL franchises (1 EA, 1 2K Sports) that will be running at 30fps on PS3 and 60fps on 360. But of course my example is opposite of your claim.

Matt, your claims are becoming legend on the TGC forums. I remember when you said you and everyone you've known has said the PS3 online service is faaarrr superior to 360s Live service, of which I have never heard more than once (from you) in all my gaming and game dev travels

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 05:54
Well it depends how you go..

Graphics wise, PS3 is the way to go.

For nearly the same graphics and a cheaper price, the 360.

But the 360 is affordable. The PS3 isn't at all. The Wii doesn't have good graphics, but it is fun.

So overall. Go with Microsoft.

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Quote: "The Wii doesn't have good graphics"


That is so not true. Wii's graphics can look awesome. Take a look at the new Mario Galaxies coming out. Those graphics while not ultra-realistic are so stylized and awesome looking.

I honestly don't think there is being much effort put into the Wii. I think it is far better than the current games are letting on which is a shame.



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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 07:04 Edited at: 26th Jul 2007 07:47
Ha,ha I found this funny site of things killed and injured with the Wii remote..

http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/

my favorite is this video of a $2500 Sony Vega 50" TV broken..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D92zvPll4co

LOLz , or this kid scared for life by Super Monkey Ball



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Quote: "That all depends, if you mean graphics then that is somewhat true, the Wii game experience/play however is a generation beyond the PS3 and 360."


Maybe in terms of interactivity. But that doesn't mean a PS3 or 360s experience can't be better than the Wii's just because it doesn't force you to stand up and dance, or whatever. I have yet to play anything more immersive on the Wii than Shadow of the Colossus.

Quote: "Bollocks. Name even 1 game that runs better on PS3, and "whoops the 360 version" (in your words). Well I can start by naming you two NFL franchises (1 EA, 1 2K Sports) that will be running at 30fps on PS3 and 60fps on 360. But of course my example is opposite of your claim."


Oblivion?
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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 07:20 Edited at: 26th Jul 2007 07:21
Quote: "Oh, I've been planning on that. Not an apology though, more a concession speech. I didn't do anything wrong to apologize."


That's right. It wasn't an apology you agreed to, and why would you need one? That would be a rather silly apology.

..The bet Matt.. the BET...

Quote: "If a year from launch you're right, I swear that as long as you send me a reminder e-mail (preferably with this post being quoted) with your address, I will mail you a bottle of coke, with a letter acknowledging you were right all along (being that the ps3 has the most units sold of the Xbox 360, the Wii, and the PS3). You can even make a thread about it if you want, with a pic of the coke and card.

I'm serious. I'm not saying this because I'm that ridiculously confident that I'm right in thinking the PS3 wont be the number one system, but because I believe that it's worth it to show a real vote of confidence on Apollo that goes a bit father than a few words which everyone will forget in an hour. That, and because at least one person should actually take you up on your bet.

My only condition is, if what I have described as being your belief about the state of the console war a year from launch (November 17, 2007 right?) turns out to be wrong and more Wiis or Xbox 360s have been sold total than PS3's, you must make a thread in the Apollo Geek Culture Board stating that you were wrong that the PS3 would be the top selling system at that point in time. Also, that the title of the thread make it very clear what you are talking about. Very fair conditions, I would think.

If it's still acurate, the numbers on nexgenwars.com should do nicely."

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=97473&b=2&p=3

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Quote: "Oblivion?"


How so? Didn't they have to write the game to the disc twice to increase speed, or was that a rumour (I can't figure out how that could help)? And Oblivion on PS3 was released how much later, when they could add more touches to the game in the meantime?

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Quote: "Oblivion? "


Oblivion still runs at 30fps not 60fps, however more was put into the game; something I'm not happy about.
I don't mind different platform development, but grahically the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 are fairly identical.

So why they've improved the graphics on the PS3 because they had more time to develop on it is damn cheeky. imo Especially as there are no plans for them to improve it on the 360 instead they're working on Fallout 3.

Quote: "Here's the official fanboy outlook: The PS3 is very much a Ferrari, and the XBox 360 is an Acura NSX. You'll see more NSX's around, because they're much more affordable than Ferrari's, even though they don't have nearly the same performance ratings . Some people will want the Ferrari, some will want the NSX, even though they all love to drive. I guess by this way of thinking, the Wii is a Toyota Camry?"


Crap. If you're going to compare them to cars, the 360 is not even close to the NSX. You obviously don't know you're cars what so ever.

The NSX is a limited edition car, that has never sold well and in-fact is quite rare. Ferraris' on the other hand are EXTREMELY common cars to see about, almost as much as Porsche.

That said going on your analogy then the 360 would be a Porsche, as they're not overly expensive (i.e. over 6-figures).. and the Wii would be something like i dunno, a Smart Roadster. I mean it looks cute, and is better performing than a normal car but still very cheap and isn't even close to the same league as the other two.

When you think about it though, while yeah the Ferrari does have a bit more power under the hood; but realistically it's easier for drivers to keep the porsche under control, and engineers can tweak it more to do what they want.

Quote: "Lol microsoft lose $125 dollars for every xbox 360 they make because of all the breakages so they have to make that up in sales of games. "


Say what?
Microsoft currently make enough to do a price-drop, but instead of that they've chosen to extend the warrenty (which includes those who bought their console from release) so that it covers them for another 2years. Basically the product lifetime.

You know why they've done this? Because hardware released prior to November 2006, still has a crippling problem that unlike issues with the PS2 during it's entirely lifetime is due to IBM.
In-fact the issue is identical to what Macintosh G4/G5 computers have suffered from.. that IBM just cut-corners in quality control of the processors they produce.

Prior to November 2006, Microsoft did an internal report to get to the bottom of the number of issues people were having (at one point 1:25 Xbox 360 were affected by them). It was discovered that the Sharp DVD Component and PowerPC Processor were basically overheating and dying. Despite one of the boxs revisions having better cooling implimented.

Since then, Microsoft have changed from IBM fabricated processors; to AMD for actual fabrication. They have also improved the cooling again and started to use Hitachi DVD Component globally (which is good news for those of us in UK & Europe where Sharp was our DVD Component)

The new warrenty makes people feel better about buying a 360, while the realistic situation is problems will only affect earlier adopters.

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I heard that the 360 version of blivvy was getting a graphics update to bring it in line with the PS3 version. Might be pushed aside now though

Personally I'm happy with the way it is already, it get's annoying having to download a patch every week for every 360 game I play!.

I find it funny though how people always bring up the fact that the Wii has less graphical oomph than the PS3 and 360. Well the DS has less graphical power than the PSP, yet it still kicks it's ass!. My 2 favourite games in the last decade have been on the Gamecube (RE4, Pikmin), it's the Wii that I'm looking at to fill that playability gap. I mean how cool would a Wii Pikmin game be!.

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It's was half confirmed at E3 Van! It's a joke, isn't it - where are the Wii RTSs??? Nintendo needs to nail down an RTS exclusive.

Quote: "How so? Didn't they have to write the game to the disc twice to increase speed, or was that a rumour (I can't figure out how that could help)? And Oblivion on PS3 was released how much later, when they could add more touches to the game in the meantime?"


That is true. BluRay has slower read speeds than DVD, I guess that's because it is so dense, so to speed up scanning through the disk to get to a certain model or whatever, they put everything on there twice (because there was so much space), so it would only have to scan (at most) half the distance.

I never heard that Oblivion was better on PS3, but if so, it would be the first time I have heard that for a game.

Quote: "I don't see how really, most (not all, but definitely most) of the cross-platform titles I've seen on both systems ran better and looked better on the PS3."


Quote: "definitely most"


Oooh bet me, bet me!!

We'll alternate, you name 5 that run better on PS3, I'll name 5 that run better on 360... I won't count things like it having online on 360 and not on PS3. Not features, just performance. OK, you name your first five.

I'm going to make a prediction that is actually still up in the air ... I think the 360's lead over the PS3 will be greater on November 17 2007 than on November 17 2006.

Not sure about that, but might happen. It will be reasonable close, that's for sure.

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Who gives a cows dairy milk who's selling the most or which is the so called 'best' because they're all good consoles and people buy them because they like them or prefer them. I've found with the 360, most of the games I want for it can run on the PC, with the Wii, it looks fun and only a few games I'll want to play, Zelda being one of them and the PS3 has the games coming up I wanna play, but the thing is so damn expensive.

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Oh waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiit a minute.

"...of the cross-platform titles I've seen..."

Not much we can do really if you go round with a copy of OPSM stapled to your face.

I assure you though, if you researched it throughly, you would come to the opposite conclusion.

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Wow.
I thought The Federation (of Planets) eventually won the Next Gen wars.

I'm unique, just like everybody else.
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Quote: "How so? Didn't they have to write the game to the disc twice to increase speed, or was that a rumour (I can't figure out how that could help)? And Oblivion on PS3 was released how much later, when they could add more touches to the game in the meantime?"


Improved draw distances, better load times, smoother framerate. It was a rumor exaggerated by anti-Sony propoganda, after all the discussion about it Bethesda later confirmed they used the same technique for the 360 version (but no one apparently heard about that part). I don't see your point. If a PS3 game was ported to the 360 months after its release on the PS3 and was "improved" people would be marching internet forums declaring the 360 superior hardware. You said name one game, and there is quite a consensus that the game runs better on the PS3 among video game reviews.
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Quote: "Nintendo are legend for offloading crap, look at how they put Sega and Atari hand helds (colour) out of buisiness with a black & white handheld console. I guess marketing works then"


Yes the gameboy was clearly inferior in every way. Who wants a lower price, lots of games, reasonable battery consumption or a console that isn't the size of a small child?

By way of demonstration, he emitted a batlike squeak that was indeed bothersome.
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People don't really like to program the PS3 also, the 360 is pretty easy to program, but the PS3 is hell to program for.

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Ok, I'll give you Oblivion, because it came out like a year after the 360 version

Any other examples? Matt, you said "most all", so... really, I'm waiting.

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http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/389274

says it all

I think Wii will bypass the 360 in units sold in the next few months (if they can ship enough of them that is). When all is said and done Nintendo will win this round hands down.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 23:53 Edited at: 26th Jul 2007 23:56
Quote: "Bollocks. Name even 1 game that runs better on PS3, and "whoops the 360 version" (in your words)."

Need for Speed: Carbon (more detail, better reflections, higher-quality ambients), Oblivion (which was already covered I see), Call of Duty 3 (brighter with more detail, and I've seen them run side-by-side in person with my own eyes on identical Zenith televisions at a friend's house), to name a few. And as I said, there are a few cross-platforms that look better on 360, like most of the sports titles... and that's about it. The fact is, it's easier to develop for 360 than it is for PS3, so some of these developers aren't maximizing the console's full potential yet, and with some of these cross-platform titles, it's easier to just port it that seriously tweak it. Any game you can name that looks better on the 360 is the by-product of a crunch schedule. That, or laziness. Take a look at the specs of both systems, those numbers don't lie. And please, name a single game on 360 as beautiful as Motorstorm. I've played both consoles quite a bit lately and I haven't seen a single game that looks that good on the 360, not yet anyway. And then there's the upcoming MGS, which also looks outrageously gorgeous. Now that developers are starting to get used to the PS3 dev kit, you'll start seeing some incredibly beautiful games being released on the PS3 between now and whenever the next generation begins. And it shouldn't take a fanboy like me to point that out

Quote: "Matt, your claims are becoming legend on the TGC forums. I remember when you said you and everyone you've known has said the PS3 online service is faaarrr superior to 360s Live service, of which I have never heard more than once (from you) in all my gaming and game dev travels"

That's because you insult anyone and everyone who likes Sony or has an alternative opinion to your own before you listen to what they have to say . My friend Craig has both systems running on his home network. He ran multiplayer Call of Duty 3 on both systems, and the PS3 was in the game and playing that game faster than the 360 was on Live. And the 360 was getting minor lag on that Eder map in the same area where we had the PS3 running (at the exact same time) as smooth as a baby's hiney (Edit: but the Live server had 3 more people in it than the PSN server, so maybe pings had something to do with it). Call me crazy, but that was all of the evidence I needed. Since I said that about people not thinking Live is better, two of my friends have jumped the USS Sony, both in favor of Live. But the rest of my friends all say Sony Network is a superior service, and of the people I know who own both systems, only those two that I mentioned a second ago seem to think Live is better than Network. With your permission, I'll gladly give them your email addy and ask them to tell you what they think, and presto, you'll see that I'm NOT full of crap as you constantly suggest. Any time someone has a genuine opinion that you disagree with, you start throwing mud, instead of just saying "fine, that's this person's opinion, or the opinion of their friends" and leaving it at that.

And really, explain to me exactly how Live is better? What services does it have that make it better, so much better that it justifies an extortionate fee (compared to the free Sony Network)? The only thing you could really say there is the sheer number of players on Live, even though you'll find equally full servers for both consoles' networks. Try giving Network a try before you unjustly insult it, and maybe you'll start giving credit where credit is most assuredly due .
Some genuine fear of Playstation Network from Team XBox
Playstation Network vs. Xbox Live: Cost Analysis
I'm glad that my "claims are becoming legend on TGC." When (if) people start looking at the PS3 neutrally, maybe I'll get some credit for saying these things long before almost anyone else did. Don't think you're in some holier-than-thou position to talk down at me just because you work at EA, or I like something you don't like. I've never once insulted anyone because they liked some other console, and if you keep treating me like some random loser because my opinions aren't yours, I'll be forced to start firing back.

Quote: "The bet Matt.. the BET..."

I remember it actually, I think about it every time I see the Wii and 360 sales dousing the PS3's sales. The only thing is, I'm probably going to end up conceding early, lol. I thought it was that whoever lost had to send the winner a 2 liter of coke and make a thread saying they were wrong, it's good that you posted this, it would save me the hassle of going and posting coke to you, lol. Anyway, yeah, expect a thread like that pretty soon, probably when this thread burns out. And thank you, btw, for staying civil about our debate, unlike some people .

Quote: "And Oblivion on PS3 was released how much later, when they could add more touches to the game in the meantime?"

Exactly what I said a while back when talking about the XBox versions of the Grand Theft Auto games over the PS2 versions. And I got flamed for it. That's ironic.

Quote: "I assure you though, if you researched it throughly, you would come to the opposite conclusion."

Well, I'm not keen on 360 and I have absolutely no desire to buy one. The only way I'd be willing to research the differences fully is if I owned a 360 and rented copies of all the games in question to give it a fair analysis. And I'll admit that my experience with games on both consoles is somewhat limited. But from what I've seen in my experiences with cross-platform games, I've been thoroughly convinced that the PS3 is getting unjustly ripped on.

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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 00:04
Quote: "That's because you insult anyone and everyone who likes Sony or has an alternative opinion to your own before you listen to what they have to say"


Okay, after reading this, I officially refuse to debate this with you any longer. Have fun in your dream world, Matt

If you had read the other threads, I don't favour any console over the other, other than what I have played. Once you start this kind of crap, i.e. accusing me of not listening to you and being "anti-Sony" (which is bull), when in fact I read everything you typed and responded promptly with my own points in a friendly manner, then my only conclusion here is that you'll desperately say anything to make yourself feel better, however true the points may be. In fact, 99% of people here disagree with your points on PS3 vs. 360 and Xbox Live, so take it whatever way you can.

Quote: "Try giving Network a try before you unjustly insult it, and maybe you'll start giving credit where credit is most assuredly due"


Please. Perhaps give me some credit where credit is due. I am surrounded by games and systems all day long--

Good luck with that narrow-minded attitude, you'll need it

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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 00:29 Edited at: 27th Jul 2007 00:30
Dunno about MS winning this generation. Maybe in some territories Over the past few months DS has been the hottest item in Australia Followed by the PS2, which now apparently has over 2 million unit install base here. (Not bad in a 20million populous)

http://www.cnet.com.au/games/0,239029232,339279633,00.htm?feed=rs

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