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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 28th Sep 2012 01:16
I'm now working on a game. I like the idea I have, it seems relatively simple. To make myself more viable for potential employers, I'm writing the engine myself. I've been working on the tech document and the code. I have a good feeling about where this is headed. We'll see how this goes though.

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Quote: "oh wait, their texting."


THEY'RE
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Posted: 28th Sep 2012 02:20
You know what I think?


Page.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2012 09:55
Just finished my school project, a computer game that will physically hurt you when you lose.

http://0xff.avxc.net/stuff/IMG_0779.JPG
http://0xff.avxc.net/stuff/IMG_0780.JPG
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(links will expire at some point. Oh and warning, many megapixels of data there).

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Posted: 28th Sep 2012 10:22
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD that looks awesomely painful.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2012 12:42 Edited at: 28th Sep 2012 12:46
Here is a quiz.

1: Do I like Apple?
A) Yes
B) No
C) IDK
D) capsLOL

2: 320x240?
A) 7
B) Hello
C) lolwut

3: Was this quiz hard?
A) Yes
B) No
C) hehehe
D) Why ask such a personal question?

Please submit your answers below.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2012 13:57
1. B
2. B
3. B

I think Apple sucks, unless you mean the fruit.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 00:15
Yay you aced the quiz!

Quote: "I think Apple sucks"
I am very happy you think that way! Apple is very greedy and not many people actually realize that.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 00:21
Quote: "Yay you aced the quiz!"

YAY!

Yeah, I can't see how a poorly made phone, that's overpriced, fragile, crappy, slow, dumb, and stupid can be so popular. I already have a phone that's made for calling, and a computer for everything else.

I especially hate seeing people using it for everything and saying how great it is, and how they are getting the Iphone 6 or something, well what's wrong with the one they already payed too much for!?!?

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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 00:59 Edited at: 29th Sep 2012 01:02
In terms of 'greed', Apple really aren't anything special, they get a lot of bad PR for it and seem to be an easy target and always have been, even before the Mac vs PC adverts and Steve Job's turtle neck Keynotes. The anti-Apple stance seems to appear regardless of how they do business and regardless of the products they choose to release. I've seen the same people suggesting Apple's latest product is dumb on release then later praise anybody who enters the market with a similar product.

There's memes around the internet about how Apple sues other companies for copying products they've patented. But other companies do the exact same thing and in the mobile market Apple hasn't been the only one doing the suing either. Currently Nokia are looking to sue HTC (as an example). LG are looking to sue Samsung and Samsung are looking to sue Apple. Yes, I am not a fan of greed, but you're going to avoid it, regardless. Unless of course you're very selective about your products and do your research and only pick out the most ethical ones, if you want do that, more power to you. Heck, I thought my bank was conducting business ethically until I found out they were laundering drug money.

I don't doubt that Apple are out to be greedy, they're a business and it's their aim to make as much money as they can, in this world this in no way makes them special, this pretty much makes them like most other large companies out there. They've got lots of employees, assets to protect and they need to make money to continue to grow and stay in the business, which is in highly competitive industries. And of course, I think there's personal gain in there too and in that respect, Apple isn't unique.

So I don't get why it's so popular to hate Apple? People make out it's because of greed and being over priced, but will happily drink a bottle of Coca Cola (greedy company and by my argument, over priced, I can get better cola for less). Heck, Coke's sued Pepsi over packaging.

My opinion of Apple? They make products I like and of a quality I like. I don't think they're overpriced for what you get. I buy products I like for a price I am willing to pay.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 01:03
What people would do for money these days am I right?

I can't argue with you about this, now that I looked into it, I think your right, but I still hate Apple, and I just love Coca Cola.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 01:12
I don't get why Apple and not Coca Cola?

The only thing I can work it out as is PR.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 01:14 Edited at: 29th Sep 2012 01:17
I understand suing, and I'd agree that is essential for business. No way you can avoid getting sued so you need to sue as well. That makes sense, and I agree with it. Thing is, look at what Apple sues over. They have such stupid, dumb, unintelligent, non smart, illegitimate patents for the most stupid things. Take for instance color. They patented the color of their freaking white iphone! That is the most stupid thing I can EVER imagine ANY company doing. Then they sue over it. White phones exist apple, you didn't invent them, don't freaking try to get a flipping patent over it! Then... Rounded corners. Someone else makes phones with rounded corners? Oh, well, Apple's gotta sue. Sorry Apple, but um, you didn't invent that either. Just because you have the patent for it doesn't give you any morally correct right to sue over it. Multitouch? Apple didn't invent that either yet they still have the patent for it and still sue over it. See... Apple has how many patents for their original iphone? Well over 200. Take for instance the my TI 84 calculator. On the back, it says 1 or more of the following patents apply, then lists only 5. Sure, it's not as advanced a device but still! That's more like how patents should be used! You make a new device? DONT PATENT AND ENFORCE EVERY SINGLE FREAKING ASPECT OF THE DARN THING!! Apple with their patent stupidity is slowing down technological advance by preventing anyone but themselves make certain technologies. Think of all the stuff that could be developed if organizations were actually allowed to use these technologies?? But instead, nope, Apple's gotta over use the patent system. Don't get me wrong, patents are great, but boy, Apple is a great example of EXTREME overuse of the system.

Sure, Apple has some ok patents, various aspects of their GUI are created by them and I agree fully with the patents they have for those... I don't exactly like software patents but Apple isn't too much more horrible with them than most other companies.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 01:41 Edited at: 29th Sep 2012 01:46
Does anyone here want a free copy of Chime on Steam? I've already got the game, and got an extra key.


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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 01:47
I used to write long posts like you, then I took a skyrim reference to the knee.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 02:05 Edited at: 29th Sep 2012 02:11
I'm not a big fan of the fact they make such big patents either, I would put that down to greed more than protecting a product. I know Apple aren't exclusive over that (Coke's lawsuit against Pepsico was over the shape of a bottle). I think technology should be shared for it to grow, I understand businesses having to protect themselves and to also grow. The fact people seemingly aren't deterred by Apple's patents and are able to take products in markets Apple have opened and progress the technology shows that all the patents are doing is generating Apple money. I wouldn't say Apple is hindering the growth of technology either because some of these large markets can be attributed to their products.

But I don't see people hating other companies for the same reasons they seemlingly hate Apple, Apple seems to be the popular target for this kind of attention and it has been the case long before any controversy over patents and it happens whenever Apple does something that gets them media attention. I've yet to understand it.

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No lollygaggin'

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Lollygaggin' is preferable to using your and you're interchangeably.
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Oh, don't be an N'wah.

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points?

Nope. Not points.


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Suck it up, what difference does it make to you're life?

Apple take it to new extremes of greed with their licensing, the fact you have to code on a mac to develop for iOS (I don't want a mac!) and the fact they've changed the connector on their new phone so that you have to go out and buy all new devices!

It's not just that, it's the fans. Two of my friends are absolute Apple Fanboys and every day with them is just a battle. If my computer hangs for a second, it's always "that wouldn't happen on my mac". The Facebook App crashes on my samsung phone and they say "Look, works on my iPhone." Can Android do this? Can Windows do this? Half the features they show off are absolute gimmicks, and well... Death to Apple.


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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 02:50
Quote: "Death to Apple"


Ditto...

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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 03:29 Edited at: 29th Sep 2012 03:31
Quote: "It's not just that, it's the fans. Two of my friends are absolute Apple Fanboys and every day with them is just a battle. If my computer hangs for a second, it's always "that wouldn't happen on my mac". The Facebook App crashes on my samsung phone and they say "Look, works on my iPhone." Can Android do this? Can Windows do this? "


The interesting thing is, I don't know any Apple fanboys like that and no doubt I'd find it really annoying. What I do notice more is the Apple haters, who usually display the exact same annoying traits but against Apple. Apple does something then it's a big deal, somebody else does it? It's not, in fact, usually people don't care.

I jokingly do the Mac fanboy thing as a Windows user to people I know who primarily use MacOS when it's something I think Windows does better. For the sake of irony I say, "perhaps you should have got a PC", but that's only for fun. I don't see any reason to do it meaningfully, they don't do it to me after all.

Quote: "Can Windows do this? Half the features they show off are absolute gimmicks"


I think once they release a new product I think their marketing and repackaging of the product needs work in that respect. But without the iPhone we wouldn't have got the Samsung Galaxy S and without the iPad we wouldn't have gotten the Galaxy Tab. Whilst yes, technically Apple didn't invent the touchscreen nor tablet PC, but they have been doing positive things in the technology market and then have to face the competition that soon follows. So I would not go as far as suggesting 'death to Apple', I think maybe rethink some of their methods and offer more substantial upgrades. Heck, maybe offer a 'value' range on some of their products to appeal to those not wanting to spend as much on their products, like when Lenovo took over IBM's ThinkPads, they release cheaper ranges of ThinkPads (like the one I'm typing on now), they're not as good quality, but still worth the money.

But products of their's I use/have used I find are actually very good products, so to my mind, that's what's important. I don't have to upgrade unless it's worth me upgrading for, their marketing/PR is irrelevent and I don't have to be an arrogant fanboy either.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 05:05
D: But I like apple. I've got to say, pear is better. I'm partial to orange.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 05:06
I prefer the plums, or the pineapple.

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Anybody watch "Fringe" tonight? It's the last season and I must say, it looks like it'll be good, although I'm kinda bummed about the direction the show started going in, but I think they'll fix it...

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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 09:58
Just to clear things up I don't like Coke so much - I prefer sparkling grapefruit juice and bitter-lemon. Do an experiment and get all the fizz out a coke and then taste it. Tastes like watery crap with sugar. Do the same with fruit juice and it'll still taste great.

So far as Apple goes, I dislike Apple only for their prices. I have no problem with their handheld/portable products (their desktops suck though, let's be honest). Just remember how good those displays look, despite all else. But ya know I dislike Microsoft too. They also pull low-blow tactics. I mean they released a buggy piece of crap - winVista - and then fixed all the bugs, did some upgrades and renamed it win7 and charged you for it as a new OS. So far as patents go, nobody even takes Apple seriously after trying to trade-mark "i" so Apple's patents aren't worth the paper they're written on. I've seen plenty of cheep mp3 players that look very similar to the iPod but nobody goes rushing off to court. The only other problem I have with Apple is their OS. It's not as tweakable as it should be. But consider apple's target market: "HomeUser". Fine there xcode for developers but that doesn't change their target market. The majority of Mac Users are usually people with little computer skills who's learning on MacOS will grow quicker than it would on Windows. Not to say there aren't better newbie OSes. Believe it or not Ubuntu Linux is one. Especially since Unity (which I despise and replace with gnome or lubuntu-desktop - situation depending) came onto the scene and provided a more simplified UI. So far as iPhones: I'm happy with my nokia E5 - el cheepo. All overlevelled phones are a waste, galaxy s3 included. So far as tablets: I would love an iPad. So far as music I would love an iPod. So far as notebooks: I'm more than happy with my Acer.

Dbl points for posting from my phone...

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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 12:41
So really you don't like how much their products cost and you're not a fan of the OS, I think that's a reasonable stance because you might not be willing to pay those prices and the OS might not suit you or your needs and preferences. I wouldn't put that on the same level as what I'd consider 'hating' Apple, but more along the lines of Apple not suiting you as a consumer.

On the note of price, I think when you consider like-for-like and I mean beyond hardware specifications, you can find PCs at similar prices, the main problem is that they don't offer a cheaper range. Mac Mini is a cheaper solution, but it's a MiniPC and for the price of a mini PC you can actually get a tower for less and unfortunately, Apple's towers (MacPros) really only compete with PCs like Boxxtech and not Dell, HP, Packard Bell, Acer or anything like that. Interestingly I was looking at computers last night out of curiosity (I plan on upgrading soon), I am tempted by the MacMini but for the same price I'd be paying for one that's suitable for running games, I can actually get a fairly powerful gaming tower. If Apple were to release a cheap range of towers, then I think that would eliminate that problem and would appeal to people with shallower pockets. If Lenovo could make that compromise with ThinkPads and still keep a good reputation (my SL510 is a damn good laptop), I'm sure Apple could too with their Macs.

But yes, I agree with your point about Vista & 7, Windows 7 feels like what Vista should have been, it's a great upgrade and I love using it, but I just wish I never had to use Vista . For me Windows 98 was really buggy and XP was buggy to begin with but fixed itself after SP2. For me, Windows 7 is the only stable Windows OS from release I've used. I would probably put that down to the public beta and that was a damn good idea.

Quote: "Believe it or not Ubuntu Linux is one. Especially since Unity (which I despise and replace with gnome or lubuntu-desktop - situation depending) came onto the scene and provided a more simplified UI. "


Funnily enough I'm running Gnome Classic too, Unity was a good idea in terms of simplifying things, but it's not what many of us are used to using so at least it's an optional feature, sadly you can't say the same about Metro in Windows 8. I would actually like to see Ubuntu to attract a much bigger market, with Steam going Linux and with some indie games that have now gone Linux (like Bastion) it'll be nice to see if there's a future there.

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Points THIS time though


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I'm actually considering using Slackware, just to try out a truly stable and pure Linux experience. Of course, I'll finally have to learn bash, but that's something I need to learn anyways.

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Quote: "I wouldn't put that on the same level as what I'd consider 'hating' Apple, but more along the lines of Apple not suiting you as a consumer. "


But as a developer, does it not infuriate you that you have to use a mac to compile?


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I started an Altmer mage character in Morrowind...

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But as a developer, does it not infuriate you that you have to use a mac to compile?"


I know Apple's a bit anal on their quality control, by that I mean, generally they like to have control. I think that approach is why they don't suffer so much from security issues or viruses. I'm not sure how that philosophy applies to mobile devices, I've certainly not heard of Android Devices being compromised as a result of its open platform.

But to be fair, I find that it is limiting. I wouldn't say Apple ticks all of my boxes, but I can't think of any company that does. For me Microsoft's XNA was limiting for XBox development, if I wanted a game on XBLA I basically had to use their XNA platform (C# only) and pay to be a member of a club to deploy it and the market for XBLA Indie games is not necessarily that big. Seems the main focus at the moment is the mobile market, which is something MS is trying to exploit, but that could be money in a less competitive market to encourage people to play more indie titles on their 360 and help encourage a more open development for the console, but it's the Ouya that seems as though it'll fill that gap.

However, for a company's methods or shortcomings I don't think I can actively hate them for it. It seems like a pointless thing, particularly if you become a fanatic over how much you hate Apple. People act like Apple are the axis of all evil, but they're no more evil than businesses people seem to love like Microsoft, Samsung or Coca Cola.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2012 23:11
EA in a nutshell.



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That was worth my while Comet, thanks for sharing the sad truth in a humorous way!

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Quote: "EA in a nutshell."

Speaking of:...

Enjoy.


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I should be doing my homework.

Oh come on. We're trying to talk with sigs here and you rudely interrupt.
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Same here, but these forums are addicting...

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I'd agree with you that Apple is pointed out as the bad guy more than other companies which are the same or even worse than Apple, but my best explanation for why it is would be that Apple is one of those companies that people know about a LOT and affects those people's lives to a degree and therefore putting Apple under the microscope by the press, websites, and people in general, then lots of information gets out about their greed drowning out the facts about other companies. This results in Apple being the considered a very greedy one more than any other company... That's just my theory. Lately I have been open minded to the fact that there are indeed many other very greedy companies, some likely much worse than Apple.

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This has been bothering me for a while. I have some C code that runs perfectly in MSVC. It completely fails in GCC and Clang. I've done extensive analysis and debugging of the code, tuning it up, etc. What's confusing is that the difference between the code is that in one (MSVC), the object appears on the screen, and in the other (GCC, Clang), it doesn't. In both cases, the same code paths are occurring, the same data is present, the same state has been set, etc. This makes me think it's possibly some obscure linking error that occurs only in GCC apps or something. Rawr. So annoying.

I'm going to give this a test with Digital Mars C to see if that complains. If it complains too, I might give Borland C a try.

Hmm... The issue could be some obscure bug in GLFW too. That would be super annoying...

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I just discovered WorldEdit and SPC for Minecraft...

I think I like it a little too much.

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Quote: "user@user-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get blender
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Mistake, but now I'm really sad it didn't say, "Blender? I 'ardly know 'er!"

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Bad!
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Put more of a >=( like thing after "Bad!" to show the negative emotions.

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2012 09:59
@ Neuro - That comic was hilarious.

Quote: "Mistake, but now I'm really sad it didn't say, "Blender? I 'ardly know 'er!""


Did it really say that at one stage?

Also, I hope you didn't take my feedback too harshly (on your tutorial videos), you never know what the other person is thinking when the thread slowly sinks to the bottom of the forum pit.

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2012 13:24
This might be a post.

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