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Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 14th Jan 2015 02:30 Edited at: 14th Jan 2015 02:49
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Lol

LOL LOL LOL PAGE PAGE PAGE LOL ANNOYING FORUM MEMBER GETS PAGE PAGE PAGE PAGE PAGEEEEEEEEEEEE PAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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No.
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Posted: 14th Jan 2015 03:32 Edited at: 14th Jan 2015 03:33
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Yes.


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Posted: 14th Jan 2015 03:38
I don't know a ton about vector math, but if it has 3d vectors, couldn't you use these for 2d and just keep the z component constant? it's a bit wasteful but not a show stopper. and using a udt isn't that many more lines, it requires some more lengthy operations but again not a showstopper.

interesting side note, just watched Mickey Mouse the brave little tailor, the similarities to attack on Titan are eerie. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an inspiration. it's on Netflix, watch it!

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Posted: 14th Jan 2015 03:44
Ah, suddenly upside down is sideways.

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Posted: 14th Jan 2015 03:47
Ortu, you can do that - but really it should have 2D vectors.

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=213276&b=51&p=0

Doing this NaGaCreMo thang.
Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 14th Jan 2015 03:58
Yeah, I'm not sure how they went to version 2 without adding any kind of native 2D vector capabilities. Honestly if I had known that, I probably wouldn't have bought it.

I know you can make your own types and functions, but the point is I shouldn't have to - every other engine has that kind of functionality built in already, all it does is add yet another step to what should be a simple process, but so far isn't.

I love AppGameKit, and as frustrating as this is I AM going to get it working, one way or another, even though I sound like I'm giving up. This is haunting me.

Thankfully, Mr Phaelax mentioned in another thread that he created some vector functions a while back and has kindly shared it, so I will be looking these over and utilizing them!


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Posted: 14th Jan 2015 04:38 Edited at: 14th Jan 2015 04:40
Quote: "Ortu, you can do that - but really it should have 2D vectors."


Agreed, it should. A work around never excuses a bug or missing feature, but it does maintain forward progress. Come on guys, this is TGC, finding creative and clever work arounds for the limitations of these languages is part of the fun. As is building things yourself that other languages may do for you.

You can do this Yodaman. You've got me thinking about trying to do a breakout like, and while I enjoy playing these kinds of old arcade games, i typically don't have much interest in building them...

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Posted: 14th Jan 2015 05:40
TGCs workarounds are what inspired me to move up in the world. I'm now battling all sorts of ridiculous issues in C++. Ah the days when bugs were as simple as logical errors.
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Posted: 14th Jan 2015 05:47
Whea, I have a freshly cleaned keyboard. I removed all the screws from the back, which allowed the top half of the housing and all of the plastic keys to separate from the bottom housing of the keyboard, which contains the rubber membrane stuff as well as the PCB. Using a little improvised tool made of wire, I was able to to pull about two hairballs worth of cat hair from under the keys. The keys aren't so mushy anymore! Nah, they were never too bad to begin with, but still, that was a lot of hair.

I then took the same upper half of the keyboard, and gave it a good dousing in the shower. And wow, are all the keys shiny or what! The board has a matte finish, but I my solid use thereof for the past two and a half years has made it rather shiny in places. Human skin gunk covered that up before.

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Posted: 14th Jan 2015 07:31 Edited at: 14th Jan 2015 07:33
Quote: "Aw I hate being back on normal forums."


WHYYYYY?! I didn't like the beta forums visual style at all! It was all shiny, out-of-proportion and MASSIVE (what's the point of high-res screens if people just make everything bigger?). The colours were awful too; way too vibrant. It was extremely generic.

In short, I really love the pixel-art style of the live forums.

Quote: "It feels so compressed."


Nooooo the beta forums were messy and spread out really unnecessarily.

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GTA V on PC has been delayed for TWO FREAKING MONTHS!! NOOoo.... *sad*

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Quote: "(what's the point of high-res screens if people just make everything bigger?)"


Things I want more of on my screen at once:

Code
Pixels in games

Things I don't want more of on my screen at once:
TGC Forum posts
Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 14th Jan 2015 18:38
Darn, I thought I could get my breakout game to work by using physics gravity and reversing the directions, but that only adds a lot more work for inaccurate looking reactions.

WILL YODAMAN JER EVER FIND A SOLUTION? STAY TUNED TO "THE TGC FORUM HOUR"" AND FIND OUT! * radio organ music plays*


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Posted: 14th Jan 2015 20:32 Edited at: 14th Jan 2015 20:37
@YodamanJer

ok, you have successfully distracted me with this :p

I put a breakout-like together and came across probably the same issue you did with my previous code: it was only bouncing correctly against 2 walls, a quick google search turned up this formula: angleOut = 2 * surfaceNormal - 180 - angleIn

Take a look at this new version, where the variable collideType is 1 - 4 indicating which wall was hit in order to get it's normal.

I'll post the full project source and .exe in the code snippets board. It requires no media.

This took a little over 4 hours total to get 1 level fully working and (mostly?) debugged, there is a lot that can be improved on, but it is functional. I cheated a bit as it uses a trimmed down version of the framework I built for my Sulium project engine, and this is what really caught my interest here I guess, the framework was designed from the ground up to be abstract and modular enough to work as a foundation for virtually any dbpro project I might want to do in the future, so this was a great test of that ability! This is the value of investing time and effort into preparing good re-usable tools Also ended up with a useful new function that can be added to Sulium out of this, gui_pointInElement(element, posX, posY).



Source Linky

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=213290&b=6&msg=2547674#m2547674

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Posted: 15th Jan 2015 00:01
@RND128:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=208922&b=2&msg=2547697#m2547697

"Giraffe is soft, Gorilla is hard." - Phaelax
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Posted: 15th Jan 2015 00:01 Edited at: 15th Jan 2015 00:02
Quote: "Things I want more of on my screen at once:

Code
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Things I don't want more of on my screen at once:
TGC Forum posts"


Things I want more of on my screen at once:

Everything

Quote: "WILL YODAMAN JER EVER FIND A SOLUTION? STAY TUNED TO "THE TGC FORUM HOUR"" AND FIND OUT! * radio organ music plays*"


loool

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Ok, so that little bit of work has finished, and I now have the money to buy and build my quadcopter. I had a brilliant (but extremely ambitious) idea this morning: I'm going to make one that can be controlled from my PC with the transmitter/receiver on the roof via an FPV feed! I'd also want it to be portable so it can be plugged into a laptop for flying anywhere.

I have no idea how I'll accomplish this yet, but a few hours of solid googling should seed my brain with some ideas

EDIT:

Quote: "@RND128:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=208922&b=2&msg=2547697#m2547697"


Why you linky my commenty?

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Quote: "Why you linky my commenty?"

RND will know why.

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Posted: 15th Jan 2015 00:32
The old forum looks neat and sharp. The beta forum looked bulgy and fat. Just being honest!

Quote: "Why you linky my commenty?"
Because it was like a Bible verse. Full of great meaning!

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Posted: 15th Jan 2015 01:06
pointssss

Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 15th Jan 2015 03:56
@Ortu:

Your code seems to work for the most part, but the ball still wasn't responding correctly in some cases. the ball hit some bricks from above and it still went through a row of two without reversing any of the directions. I'm not sure why it would do that because the "ball angle" variable changed but the ball itself did not.

I thank you for the effort for helping!


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Posted: 15th Jan 2015 04:44
Hmm did that happen in my exe or when implementing the code into yours? I never managed to get the ball to come down on top of a brick, but that makes sense guess. Brick collision is just defaulted to act the same as the top wall right now, as far as the collision normal being used. I stuck a todo comment in there about needing too add handling to allow the ball to bounce on brick sides, this will apply to brick tops as well. Shouldn't be to hard to determine what side of a brick was hit based on where the collision point is within the brick boundaries and then return the correct collusion type code

Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 15th Jan 2015 06:02
It happened when running the .exe, I haven't even tried translating your new code yet.

I'm getting VERY close, almost everything works about my brick collision, the side collision works just fine and it responds to bouncing off the bottom of the bricks well, but when it comes to the top of the brick it just ignores it.

This is my new code, I'm not sure why it's working better but it definitely is a HUGE improvement over the old, since there are no more magic numbers!



And heck, here's the project so you can download and see what I'm doing with everything! No media required! NOTE: Paddle does not move yet!

Hmm as I was compressing this to upload I ran it again and I noticed that the ball WILL bounce back up if it hits the brick about two fifths of the way up, not sure why that would be, but at least I am close!


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Quote: "BETA Forum is offline! The Next says it will be offline for some time and is working on a new one entirely!"


Why he has too much free time, when Lee does not?!



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Posted: 15th Jan 2015 07:34
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+1

Quote: "Because it was like a Bible verse. Full of great meaning!"


lol

Man, working out how I'm going to build this quadcopter is taking all day. Extremely complex, it is. What I'm hoping to do is send and receive all data to and from the copter through a high-power (1W would be good) digital transceiver. All control information from my computer (throttle, roll/pitch/yaw, auto-hover mode, etc.) would be sent via serial to the Arduino aboard the copter. All telemetry from the quadcopter (GPS position, angles, speed, height, etc.) would be sent via serial to my computer (possibly via another Arduino for ease of use). There's a couple of complex parts to this: first, finding a high-power transceiver; second, how to transmit the FPV data from the camera.

Normally, FPV video streams are transmitted via analogue signals from a separate transmitter on the copter. I'm wanting to transmit the signals via a digital transmitter. There's issues with this: analogue-to-digital conversion is slow and not really possible on an Arduino (AFAIK); also, a digital video stream is a lot of data to send over a serial link when the normal data is counted in 10s of bytes. What that all means is most likely, I'll end up having two transmitters on the copter - one for data and one for the FPV stream.

Right, time to go actually start writing down what I want so I can begin to narrow down my search for parts...

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Posted: 15th Jan 2015 08:26 Edited at: 15th Jan 2015 08:42
Hmm, running your program, it bounces correctly on the boundary walls, but does some strange things on the bricks, sometimes it bounces correctly back out sometimes, it comes back out in the same direction it came in.

for detecting the top of the brick:

If GetSpriteY(Ball.ID) <= bricks[x].yPos - bricks[x].yHeight/2 + GetSpriteHeight(Ball.ID)

this seems overly complicated.

lets say the ball has a height of 20, the brick has a height of 100

the ball is positioned at say Y 10, and brick at Y 30

It *should* collide with the brick when its bottom edge, at Y 30 (posY 10 + height 20), meets the brick posY 30, but this calculation gives:

if 10 <= 30 - 50 + 20 then ...

which evaluates to if 10 <= 0, this will not return a collision.

try something like this:

If GetSpriteY(Ball.ID) <= bricks[x].yPos - GetSpriteHeight(Ball.ID) then ...

This should give:

if 10 <= 30 - 20 then ...

eval to if 10 <= 10 then ... collided!

now as to the random bounce directions, I have a feeling there is a conflict between a speed axis being flipped when it hits the wall and either getting flipped again when it shouldnt, or not getting flipped when it should on a hit with the brick.

the boundary walls always flip the speed regardless of which side is hit and this bounces correctly, with the bricks, one side flips the speed, the other side forces a positive with abs(), why does it matter which side of the brick is hit if it doesn't matter which side of the boundary is hit? I'm not sure you need the abs(), shouldn't it just always be -Ball.xSpeed or -Ball.ySpeed ?

Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 15th Jan 2015 18:28
Thanks Ortu, that seems to help quite a bit!

I have uploaded my project at its current point, so that others may test it out. Sadly the ball still bounces incorrectly at some points, but now at least it will bounce off the top of the brick if it hits it at the right angle.

I think part of the problem is that the ball moves too fast and so it may LOOK like it hits the top of the brick but in actuality it has hit the side which is why it won't bounce back up - same for the bottom, sometimes it looks like it hits the bottom of the brick but instead has hit the side, so it will bounce it back and forth until it finally DOES hit the actual bottom of some brick.

But at least I am super super close!
This is what my function looks like now:


Oh, and the reason for using ABS() is to make sure that it absolutely goes in the positive direction if it hits that side of the brick, because one of the major problems I had was that the ball would sometimes go through the center of a brick and bounce back and forth a few times before the brick was deleted, so it looked like it would just pass through. Using ABS() is basically a safety saying "Hey! Go this way no matter what, ball!". When I started using it a whole bunch of problems were solved at once!


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Smartphone decided to do a factory reset every time it restarted, losing all my data. THANX SAMSUX
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You mean dumbphone?

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You mean points?

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You mean meany?

Hey guyz I need helpz. Whenever I do games and stuffz on my computer the fans go faster. helpz. I think ym computer is angry at me. why it fan's go faster. lol. I'm afraid like the fans catch house on fire. Can some 1 plez help?

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Quote: "Hey guyz I need helpz. Whenever I do games and stuffz on my computer the fans go faster. helpz. I think ym computer is angry at me. why it fan's go faster. lol. I'm afraid like the fans catch house on fire. Can some 1 plez help?"

try remoov fanz. It worq in my compyoutor.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 01:19 Edited at: 16th Jan 2015 01:20
Quote: "try remoov fanz. It worq in my compyoutor."
ok thankz u. it has work so far. some of the plastik on top is geting a little soft and hot lol. do know y this is

Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 03:33
Oh. My. God.

I could scream. Apparently last night, while I was on duty at work training our new employee, we "got had" by a group of people buying gift cards with fraudulent credit cards. Here's what happened:

Group of giggling girls come up to Service Desk, ask us where something is, go away and come back a couple minutes later to ask where another thing is. This is not out of the ordinary and we had no reason to suspect anything. Finally they come up to pay for their items and get a couple of $100 gift cards with what was definitely their real credit cards, I triple-checked their IDs, birthdays, all of that stuff, made sure there was a code on the back of the card, etc.,. I followed procedure to the letter and sold them their cards.

Today, we get a memo from corporate saying to NOT sell to these girls, even though they have "matching" ID - they're part of a giant national scam ring that have recently been caught at other stores. They buy smaller gift cards to go and pay for bigger gift cards along with their fraud credit cards, essentially doubling their money for free.

Now here's the part that really pisses me off - I've had my job for well over a year, I have never been late, always followed procedure (even when I think it's dumb), come in when asked, etc.,., and today my store manager said that corporate will more than likely "open an investigation" about me and my situation and decide what "disciplinary action" to take, whether it's something as simple as a reminder of credit card procedures, or a full write-up, or even losing my position. Not fired, but demoted.

Yes, I could be demoted for being bamboozled, which I understand totally and I know where they're coming from, but I KNOW that corporate is only going to care about the numbers and loss of product - they won't look and see that I've been a loyal and good employee since my very first day. It's complete BS.

Maybe instead of having the credit card terminal being in a spot where the customer swipes it, it should be back with us at our registers so we can VERIFY THE CARD RIGHT AWAY. Like every other store in existence though, of course that wouldn't be the case.


BAL:RGHGHGHGHGHGHGHAGDKLASDFKLSADJFLKASDFJASLFJKLJASFKLJKLASDJ Grr I'm so mad. I'm gonna play some Saints Row 3 to blow off some Steam.

Oh and another thing, my next day off isn't until next Friday - I've been working since Tuesday. I'm working 11 days in a row. 11 long days of shifts all over the place - morning, evening, and night.

Maybe I should become a millionaire


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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 03:56 Edited at: 16th Jan 2015 04:05
Ew. Sorry to hear all that, it sounds like a crappy situation.

Quote: "today my store manager said that corporate will more than likely "open an investigation" about me and my situation and decide what "disciplinary action" to take, whether it's something as simple as a reminder of credit card procedures, or a full write-up, or even losing my position."
That part really makes me angry. I would be... swissed if I was in your position.

My father works under a sort of similar type of "we only care about the numbers" type of employment. He is a software development manager for a company that, among many other things, creates billing software for a power company here in the states. He has been a loyal employee for I think 28 years now, and his job constantly remains on the line. If a project of his goes south, even if not his fault, and the numbers don't please corporate, he's out the door. Sort of a crappy situation!

I just don't like how your manager has apparently assumed that you are responsible for the situation. You had no notification that the girls were fraudulent, and you followed the checking procedures to the book. As you said, it was noted that they had matching IDs. How could you have possibly known?

Does your store keep a surveillance camera video record of what happens at the register? Perhaps you could use that to your defense, if needed.

All things said, I suppose the store does need to go to these measures to make sure you aren't in on it. For all they know, you could be in on the operation and willing to comply with the frauds. I guess that's my two sided view of it. Will you be demoted? I'm not sure. If you did nothing wrong, something in me says you should be fine. But that's hard to say, as with anything in this fuuun life.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 03:58
Quote: " Maybe instead of having the credit card terminal being in a spot where the customer swipes it, it should be back with us at our registers so we can VERIFY THE CARD RIGHT AWAY. Like every other store in existence though, of course that wouldn't be the case. "

In the US, very few stores check the card. Most of the time we just swipe and go.

Sorry to hear about the bamboozlement. The very fact that you got the memo after the fact should be enough to exonerate you in the eyes of the investigation. Of course, that assumes you're dealing with reasonable people.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 04:00
Quote: "In the US, very few stores check the card. Most of the time we just swipe and go."
Haha, he is in the US. Wisconsin, if I am right. Here in Colorado, it is just like Dar13 described. No serious card checking goes on at all.

Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 04:10
@DJD:

Yes, there are surveillance cameras. Last I knew the footage verified my story but the managers still need to send it to corporate so they can go over it.

I worded it very poorly - my manager was very sympathetic towards me and said she knew I followed procedure, but corporate will make the final decision. I do know some form of action will be taken though - and honestly there is no "good" punishment, I will either be written up or demoted, or possibly even both, or maybe it will be just a simple "reminder class" of procedures. Either way, what a pain!

Also the memo was dated January 12th, and supposedly it had been printed and set in our stack of memos to sift through each time we start our shift, but I had not seen it on the 12th or any subsequent days - the only time I've seen it is today, when they had to reprint it because the first was lost.
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I suppose the store does need to go to these measures to make sure you aren't in on it. For all they know, you could be in on the operation and willing to comply with the frauds."


Absolutely, but it's still a pain in the butt to deal with. These girls were absolute professionals though, they really knew what they were doing. Every store they have hit so far has been bamboozled, so hopefully corporate keeps that in mind (or in their eyes they'll just hate everyone who did it and fire them ) .

I'll let you know what happens, but suffice it to say my next couple shifts will be very interesting.



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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 04:21
Quote: "I worded it very poorly"
Lol, that happens when writing about angry things.

Quote: "my manager was very sympathetic towards me and said she knew I followed procedure, but corporate will make the final decision"
Gotcha, this is good. Your manager is redeemed in my eyes!

Quote: "I do know some form of action will be taken though - and honestly there is no "good" punishment"
Gotcha, I suppose it's a given.

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You never know, they may have pitty on you and just fire you and give you a million dollars. Always look up!

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For some reason I keep thinking Yodaman is in the UK.

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Hahaha, that's totally understandable considering 93.216985% of the members of this forum are indeed from there.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 06:10
Yodaman Jer - If I were you I would be looking at Employment Law right now, as it should be on your side and no corporation should have a say in your position at an employer...

Worth mentioning I guess... Wishing you the best result for you!

Surprised to see Target erm not hitting its targets in Canada... 133 stores to close and some 17,500 jobless....... Hopefully some of that can be bought out and the jobs secured...

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Quote: "If I were you I would be looking at Employment Law right now, as it should be on your side and no corporation should have a say in your position at an employer"
Not sure how employment works in the UK, but most employment here in the states is 'employment by will'. Your employer can fire you at any time for any reason whatsoever, except for a few reasons protected by a recently passed act (sex, race, skin color, sexual orientation, etc). If Yoda's employer wanted to let him go, even if he did nothing wrong at all, they probably could.

Quote: "and no corporation should have a say in your position at an employer"
The corporation is his employer.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 06:25
We have Protection Laws here, I think I misread his post, might be the migraine... I interpreted it as his employer and a third party corporation... Ok I see...

In the UK, you have to have a substantial reason for firing someone, or accrue it to redundancy but if proven wrongful, ouch will it Bite you in the behind...

I guess you can say Employers have more reasons to fear their staff than the staff their bosses lol but if you are not performing and your job employment terms were as such... Bam...

Hmm how about discussing Employment Law where you guys are?

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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 06:42
I am no lawyer, sadly! I also have no experience with employment myself, since I am a wee young little chap. That's right, only 8 years old.

Next year, when I turn 9, I plan on getting a job. Maybe then I will learn a bit about employment laws and such. I only know what I said in my previous post.

Well, okay I know some others. We have minimum wages and such, not sure what they are currently... If you work overtime (>40 hours), your employer must pay you time and a half.

I am no expert on the highly controversial ObamaCare aka Affordable Health Care Act recently passed, but I think it requires your employer to provide you with various healthcare benefits. Some churches don't like this, because it requires them to provide their staff with birth contraceptives and such (that may not be true). Those are just some random things I know right off the top of my head.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 07:27 Edited at: 16th Jan 2015 07:29
Quote: " Your employer can fire you at any time for any reason whatsoever, except for a few reasons protected by a recently passed act (sex, race, skin color, sexual orientation, etc)."


This is mostly true, though it rarely happens at a whim. Employers are always fearful of getting sued for wrongful termination / discrimination and the like, they don't want to pay severance packages if they can avoid it. Aside from general and sweeping cutbacks/layoffs, as long as you are not doing something illegal or grossly negligent, getting fired often only comes after multiple verbal warnings and formal write-ups in many companies. HR departments always prefer to have a documented history of cause leading up to termination. It gets more complicated if unions are involved.

Quote: " We have minimum wages and such, not sure what they are currently..."


looks like your current rate in Colorado is $8.23, ours in Texas is $7.25, but we don't have a state income tax to worry about, I'm not sure if CO does state or not.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-minimum-wage-chart.aspx

Quote: "I am no expert on the highly controversial ObamaCare aka Affordable Health Care Act recently passed, but I think it requires your employer to provide you with various healthcare benefits. Some churches don't like this, because it requires them to provide their staff with birth contraceptives and such (that may not be true). Those are just some random things I know right off the top of my head. "


Not entirely, employers are NOT required to provide healthcare. If they employ more than 50 employees and do not offer healthcare they will begin paying tax penalties starting next year but this is encouragement not requirement, and if they employ less than 50 they are completely exempt. In fact some employers have dropped their previous insurance benefits because individuals can now get insurance on their own through the government exchange.

Additionally, it mandates that each individual needs to obtain and maintain health coverage, either through their employer if it is offered, through a private program like HumanaOne, or through the government program set up by the Care Act. If you don't get coverage somewhere, you will have to pay tax penalties starting this year on federal income tax filings.

The issue with religious oranizations and contraceptives (among other things) is actually a separate issue, but gets tangled up with Obamacare because both issues were all over the media within the same period of time, and both involved health care.

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Why will your employer discipline you if you followed their procedures to the letter?
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Quote: " Why will your employer discipline you if you followed their procedures to the letter? "

Because the corporate office had sent a memo that said he wasn't supposed to. Corporations are weird like that.

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Yeah, my department manager said she had indeed printed the memo on the 12th, and had set it on the counter, but someone threw it out by mistake, hence why I never saw it, and thus why the whole thing happened.

If I had seen the memo, I would've recognized one of the girls instantly, and immediately paged my Manager on Duty and make up some excuse (because people are understandably upset when having to wait). "Managers are needed for 2 or more Gift Card purchases" would have worked and isn't exactly untrue.

I don't know what I'll find out today (if anything), but honestly waiting to find out what might happen is probably worse than what actually will happen. I talked with some coworkers last night and they said that I did everything exactly right and corporate will keep that in mind, so hopefully that's true. Otherwise I might be bumped back down to cashier status.


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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 16:15
more like points

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