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Jeku
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Posted: 2nd Jul 2008 22:22 Edited at: 2nd Jul 2008 22:22
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Case in point--- my wife thinks Fawlty Towers is hilarious, but she doesn't find the UK version of The Office funny in the slightest. Myself on the other hand find both of them extremely funny. Do I really need to point out that people have different levels of humour?


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Quote: "I thought that the Ace ventura movies were okay. They're nowhere near as good as Bruce almighty, but I can watch them."

Oh my God Omega. [This is me slapping you]. How about you re-read what Seppuku said.

Quote: "A person experiences something, they interpret it and come out with a verdict. You probably do understand, but are reluctant to think so, you know people have different opinions and surely understand how everybody's mind works differently and that everybody is different, if you understand that, you understand why people don't like Jim Carey"

Read that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again until it's printed in your mind. Ignore the part where he talks about Ace Ventura that was merely and example. You have nothing to argue. You've proved everybody else correct several times by saying things like
Quote: "No they are not "Wrong". They just have different opinions than you"


Just get over it. It's YOUR single greatest comedy. Not the world's greatest comedy.


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To quote the group of chavs who hang outside my house often, "Yer wot?"


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Omega gamer 89
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2008 18:00 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2008 18:03
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Okay, for the last time:
I UNDERSTAND that people have different opinions and senses of humor.
What I DON'T understand is how people form opinions that are so...... I'm not sure what the proper word for it would be...
All I'm trying to says is that I have a hard time seeing things the way you are seeing them. I am usually a very open minded person and can almost always see something from someone elses point of view once they explain why they feel that way. I can almost always see how they came to form their opinion. But in this case, I just can't see how you formed these opinons, because:
1) I hold this movie in such high regard.
2) Before this topic, I had never met anyone who didn't like it.
3) It made approximately 35.6 million dollars in ticket sales in its opening weekend and approximately $242,589,580 overall.
4) It got nothing but positive reviews from critics. (or at least, I have yet to see a negative review.)

And the 5th and most important reason is:
I can't find any serious flaws in its plot, comedy, acting, or general quality. All you guys have said you didn't like it because it "Didn't make you laugh" or because you "don't find shock value jokes funny".
But none of you have, as of yet, posted any particular things you didn't like. You just said it was a bad movie. Give me some examples of WHAT you don't like.
Show me somes flaws, then maybe I'll be better able to understand why you don't like it.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2008 18:35
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Quote: "I don't think our sketch shows are good"
Please say you are joking... Personally I would say I overall prefer American comedies, but when it comes to sketch shows we totally rock...

As for Jim, IMHO I thought Dumb and Dumber was absolutely brilliant, Liar Liar had extremely funny moments, and Me Myself and Irene was a mostly ignored gem of a comedy. Apart from that Eternal Sunshine and especially The Truman show were great once you sort of thought about it. Bruce Almighty though? Hmmm. IMHO (and you obviously have yours...) I really didn't think it was his best work. It was ok, but then I didn't notice myself laughing hardly at all, so theres a pretty big flaw for me.

And when it comes to Swedish films, you are obviously watching the wrong type...

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2008 20:08 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2008 20:10
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Quote: "And when it comes to Swedish films, you are obviously watching the wrong type...
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I'm really not, in my opinion swedish actors can't act, and the movies in general are rubbish, and I am a swede so I have the right to say that

Quote: "3) It made approximately 35.6 million dollars in ticket sales in its opening weekend and approximately $242,589,580 overall.

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That doesn't prove anything to be honest, and I did read your post and I agree and believe in everything you said but I just wanted to point another thing out Take no offense if you would!
It's just that the opening ticket sales just count EVERYONE who goes and sees the movie, and I bet a lot of those people who paid the ticket just went to see if it was good or not, and some of them might have thought it was bad, and some may have thought it was good, it doesn't really work as an argument.
Again, I am not bashing Bruce Almighty, just pointing the ticket sale argument =)

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Quote: "And the 5th and most important reason is:
I can't find any serious flaws in its plot, comedy, acting, or general quality. All you guys have said you didn't like it because it "Didn't make you laugh" or because you "don't find shock value jokes funny".
But none of you have, as of yet, posted any particular things you didn't like. You just said it was a bad movie. Give me some examples of WHAT you don't like.
Show me somes flaws, then maybe I'll be better able to understand why you don't like it."

Em what? Any particular things they didn't like? Isn't "It didn't make me laugh" the one and only real argument that you can say against a movie that is made to make you laugh. You can't say that they didn't point out anything particular that they didn't like when they pointed out the one and really only BIG critique for comedies.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2008 20:23
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Quote: "I'm really not, in my opinion swedish actors can't act"
No, you really are. I mean acting and storyline? *Really* the wrong type of Swedish film you are watching... Think big tashes and fridge repair men.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2008 20:32
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Quote: "But none of you have, as of yet, posted any particular things you didn't like. You just said it was a bad movie. Give me some examples of WHAT you don't like.
Show me somes flaws, then maybe I'll be better able to understand why you don't like it."

But what does it matter why they didn't like it?

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2008 20:59 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2008 21:01
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When I say give me an example of a flaw in the movie, I mean an one thing in particular. "It didn't make me laugh" is just a critique of the movie overall. Tell me one particular, individua intsance of something bad. For example, a particular scene you thought was bad, and what was bad about it.
oh, and yes, it DOES matter WHy they didn't like it, but only because I want to know how they came to form their opinions. I'm not saying that if you dislike it for a particular reason you are wrong, I'm just trying to better understand why you guys dislike it in the first place.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2008 21:01 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2008 21:04
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Quote: "No, you really are. I mean acting and storyline? *Really* the wrong type of Swedish film you are watching... Think big tashes and fridge repair men.
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I've watched pretty much all the so on so called "big" swedish movies and I think they're horrible, the storyline might be fine but the acting and the actors in general are usually just... bleh.
But hey! Everyone has their own opinions and I respect yours as I bet you do with mine, not trying to force you into thinking what I think so please don't take it as that hah =o)

EDIT: you posted this exactly at the same time I posted mine seemingly so here we go

Quote: "When I say give me an example of a flaw in the movie, I mean an one thing in particular. "It didn't make me laugh" is just a critique of the movie overall. Tell me one particular, individua intsance of something bad. For example, a particular scene you thought was bad, and what was bad about it.
oh, and yes, it DOES matter WHy they didn't like it, but only because I want to know how they came to form their opinions. I'm not saying that if you dislike it for a particular reason you are wrong, I'm just trying to better understand why you guys dislike it in the first place."


What you don't understand is if you ask someone in here why they didn't like "X" scene they will probably answer "I didn't like it because it didn't make me laugh to be honest" and that IS one thing in particular, as with comedies "It didn't make me laugh" is very flexible, it can describe one particular moment or the entire movie in general, but on the other side, as in a action movie for example it might describe some small part but otherwise it won't make any sense at all.
So what you are asking for has really already been said in this thread multiple times
Again, take no offense

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Could I have one of those please?

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Okay, tell me why it didn't make you laugh.
If you didn't laugh and you don't even know why, then you have little reason to call this a bad movie.
I'd like an example such as:

"In the scene where that thing happened, the actor didn't do this thing properly, and the camera angels were bad."

Just add in the specifics. I'v already made the template for you.

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Quote: "Could I have one of those please?"


A chillpill? Sure, have two. They're on the house.
I'm just gonna stay out of this.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2008 21:28 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2008 21:29
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Quote: "Okay, tell me why it didn't make you laugh.
If you didn't laugh and you don't even know why, then you have little reason to call this a bad movie.
I'd like an example such as:

"In the scene where that thing happened, the actor didn't do this thing properly, and the camera angels were bad."

Just add in the specifics. I'v already made the template for you."

It didn't make me laugh because the movie isn't quite my sense of humor. It's basically the same answer but now suited for your "template" or whatever. If they didn't think it was funny they can't tell WHY they didn't think it was funny except for "it wasn't my sense of humor" obviously there are different ways of saying that but that's basically it.
You have to realize that if they didn't think it was funny they didn't think it was funny, people have different opinions and different senses of humor, you say you realize this but then you still act like you don't.
Again no harm intended, please don't take it that way.

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I'm just gonna stay out of this."

What? No I meant the guy...





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I'm not trying to convince you that my point of view is "Better" or anything. I'm trying to understand why they don't like this movie. If you give me a scene from a movie I've seen, I can give you five things I liked and/or didn't like. Right off the top of my head.

Quote: "if they didn't think it was funny they didn't think it was funny"


No, people DON'T JUST think its funny/not funny for no reason. There is always a reason behind someone's opinion, whether they realize it or not. I like Bruce almighty because it is (IMHO) very well written. (IE no plot holes or errors.) Very funny. (The jokes apply to the situation at hand and and usually very witty.) and very well acted. (Jim REALLY got into the role of bruce and made the character come to life. I felt like I was watching Bruce Nolan. Not Jim Carrey.)

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Quote: "For example, a particular scene you thought was bad, and what was bad about it."


Are you OCD by chance?

I saw the movie when it came out in theatres--- years ago. There's not a fat chance I'd remember a specific scene I didn't like. Honestly I can't remember any one scene sticking out as being funny, so put me down for not liking *all* of the scenes.

Quote: "I'd like an example such as:

"In the scene where that thing happened, the actor didn't do this thing properly, and the camera angels were bad.""


Dude, who analyzes comedies like this? Are you insane? Comedies are usually *not* shining examples of great cinematography. Who here can honestly state the *exact* scene in a comedy where, because of a bad angle, they didn't like the movie? Do we really have time to go back and watch every scene of a comedy we didn't like, just so we can tell you the exact moment the little light bulb in our head turned off? Get a clue.

Let's see: The 37th scene where Jim Carrey looks at the camera--- I didn't like that his right eye was slightly wincing at the wrong moment, and the light source was 4 degrees too low, which made the feel of the movie become a bit too serious for a comedy...

I'm severely tempted to lock this because I'm certain you're having a laugh.


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Posted: 3rd Jul 2008 22:00 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2008 22:02
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Quote: "Are you OCD by chance?"


No, but I did have ADHD when I was younger.

Quote: "Dude, who analyzes comedies like this? Are you insane?"


I didn't mean anything THAT specific, I was just giving examples of things that might make you dislike a movie. I didn't mean if the camera was an inch too low or if someone's eye was twitching. I meant bigger things, like if an actor did a scene very poorly, or if the camera was looking at someone's ear when it probably should have been on their face. Or if the lighting was so bad you could barely see the actors. And I don't expect you to remember the exact scene number or every little thing that was going on. Just something like:
"In the scene where Bruce was first at the diner, the lighting was so bad I could barely see him. And he was talking way too quietly, I couldn't even hear what he said."

Something like that. Not just "I didn't like it."

P.S. Thats just an example. The lighting in the first diner scene was fine and bruce talked loud enough.
And, no. I'm not having a laugh. I'm seriously trying to see why you guys didn't like this movie.

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Why is it so important to you that you know why someone doesn't like something you do? Chances are you won't understand their reasons anyway, else you would have a similar opinion to theirs.

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Thats exactly why I want to know why.
If I understand their reasons, chances are that I will better understand their point of view.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2008 22:23 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2008 22:24
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Quote: "I meant bigger things, like if an actor did a scene very poorly, or if the camera was looking at someone's ear when it probably should have been on their face. Or if the lighting was so bad you could barely see the actors."


But it doesn't have to that kind of things that makes a person think it's not good. It really is a simple as that the humor, story or whatever just doesn't appeal to them... there doesn't have to be more to it. Can't be THAT hard to understand

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Okay Bruce Almighty was OKAY because: (If you really wan't an in depth reasoning, but please, I hope to Buddha you don't expect an indepth reasoning for every opinion somebody makes)

Jim Carey isnt one of my favourite actors, yes he offered something different in hollywood comedy when he first started, yet like a lot of hollywood he was cheesy - cheesy can be good, but Jim Carey was a bit over the top. For Bruce Almighty, he mellowed down a bit, which made him more bareable, but he still had the same cheesiness that didn't click with me. There were a couple of good jokes, sometimes your average hollywood movie can have something that makes me laugh, but they were few and far between. But most of the jokes didn't tickle me - simply becaue they weren't my humour. Then, the plot itself worked like so many I've seen before, there's always the relationship trouble - he wants somebody to love him, yet there needed to be a moral, so the guy does something stupid and learns that he earns somebody's love and shouldn't try to take it. Following that formula everything works out, the moral of the story is place nicely at a climatic point and it flows just like any other Hollywood comedy.


There's your analysis - it's not concrete, but opinions aren't meant to be concrete. Personally, like I've said, I think you do understand, you're just having trouble grasping it and I suppose it doesn't help that's we've backed you into a corner.

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Okay, see thats more like it. you gave reasons as to why you didn't like it, instead of just saying it "didn't make you laugh" and leaving it at that.

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Quote: "I'm severely tempted to lock this because I'm certain you're having a laugh.
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Agreed.

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Quote: "instead of just saying it "didn't make you laugh" and leaving it at that.
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Though normally, most normal people when giving an opinion won't give an in depth anaylisis of why they had an opinion, but now I see you wanted to grasp reasons for peoples opinions on this matter (though I think why "it's boring" is justification enough for explaining their dislike) regardless, it seems you got what you were looking for.

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Quote: "I've watched pretty much all the so on so called "big" swedish movies and I think they're horrible, the storyline might be fine but the acting and the actors in general are usually just... bleh.
But hey! Everyone has their own opinions and I respect yours as I bet you do with mine, not trying to force you into thinking what I think so please don't take it as that"
Dude, you do realise I am talking about porn right?...

And tell me why "Bruce Almighty" is better than, say, "Airplane!" (which it totally isn't *IMHO*). I need scene by scene explanations here. Then explain better why you think we need to take to pieces each scene from Bruce Almighty just to prove that you are right and it's the funniest movie ever (for us as well as for you) even though it didn't make us laugh anywhere near as much as our top 100 favourite comedies...

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This is so insane. Not once in my life have I ever asked someone to clarify the exact scene he or she realized they didn't like a movie. I mean really. Sometimes I feel like the TGC forum takes place in the Twilight Zone.


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I know I know, just messing with you Never really watched any REAL swedish porn but everyone says that they're good so I trust you all!

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Each to their own I guess, Jeku, of course Warhammer geeks might tell you, "Sanity is for the weak."

I suppose the guy was really shocked to find a group of people that aren't big fans of Jim Carey.

Besides Jeku, we know you love TGC insanity really, it's your dirty little secret, you love it but are too embarrased to admit it. Don't worry your secret is safe with us.

[However, if I am noob slapped by tomorrow - I think it's a sure sign that Jeku doesn't like my sense of humour]

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Quote: "I suppose the guy was really shocked to find a group of people that aren't big fans of Jim Carey"
Ah, but no. I think he's great, and has made some brilliant movies. These days though I think we are getting a bit bored with him after so long. And I personally just don't think Bruce Almighty deserves to even clean the shoes of some of his other comedy classics, let alone anybody else's comedy classics. It's ok, but nothing to write home about. Airplane! on the other hand I've watched a million times.

Quote: "I think it's a sure sign that Jeku doesn't like my sense of humour"
You have one?

Quote: "I know I know, just messing with you Never really watched any REAL swedish porn"
Ah, was a bit surprising after the fridge repair man comment. And ya, it is not bad I be thinking.

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This is the funniest thread I have ever read... Please explain why you don't think something is funny...

If a film is a comedy and it doesn't make them laugh that in and of itself makes it a bad movie (for them)...

My favourite style of comedy is the Mockumentory e.g. This is Spinal Tap... I laugh so hard every time I see the 'sandwhich' bit I get stomach cramps... one of my friends watched it with me because I had been going on about it so much, and he never even cracked a smile!

These people obviously do not share your sense of humour... There is nothing more to understand...

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Maybe because Jim Carey was in it


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Maybe because Jim Carey was in it"


Funny you should say that, I watched Evan Almightly last night (gave it a chance) and I think it was funnier than Bruce Almighty.

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Now you have me curious...


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Posted: 5th Jul 2008 19:48
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I thought it looked stupid from the trailer, but I gave it a chance and found it wasn't that bad, jokes were'nt probably that original, but the acting wasn't too over the top, but it worked to te extent it did and I liked it - not as funny as most comedies though, but well if you're curious catch it on the TV or rent it.

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Xenocythe
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Posted: 5th Jul 2008 19:52
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Steve Carell is teh pwnzorz. That is why.

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Bruce Almighty was a very funny movie..evan almighty was a good movie too!


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