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Geek Culture / Spore and SecuROM......

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bitJericho
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Posted: 15th Sep 2008 18:29
Well I find your story questionable anyway. You can't just arbitrarily add viruses after a torrent is placed online.


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lazerus
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Posted: 15th Sep 2008 18:36
no you encrpyt it into the iso that is there, it replaces a spore file and corrupts the install, i got the idea a while ago although creting a nera identical iso file size was pretty hard, hell hes the mad computer genius am just the link hunter/uploader i have a spare pc thats a junker to upload/download off.

i lost my morality a while ago so what you think i should do?

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bitJericho
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Posted: 15th Sep 2008 18:39
It's possible, but the torrent takes a hash of the piece, wouldn't the hash be different than the original? Unless you uploaded the original torrent.


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bitJericho
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Posted: 15th Sep 2008 18:41
Quote: "i lost my morality a while ago so what you think i should do?"


I think you should start a vigilante group of hackers to ride around big cities in black vans at night, and you'll choose key destinations to kidnap passerbys and hop in and out wearing computer gear on your head.


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lazerus
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Posted: 15th Sep 2008 18:45 Edited at: 15th Sep 2008 18:47
that really sounds fun, now i remenber where i left my morality its in my jeans pocket... which is in the washing macihne... ohh sh.....

thats why its estimated around 200 people will get it, its my job to check on the hash error if you have ever pirated something on bittorennt -(esaiest to load) it comes up with a hash error or wasted hash/ that is normally where it will end. the hash is about 1mb so someone would need a link to here to get that hash and download that file, the only downside is program such as torrent spy and a torrent hider which checks each hash agaist others which can be a problem

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dark coder
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Posted: 15th Sep 2008 18:46
I think he means he downloaded an illegal copy of Spore(ironic) and then altered some of its files and distributed a new torrent, I don't believe he altered an existing one and uploaded altered files as they would fail either the checksum or hash checks(assuming both are done?). Besides if you did the former I don't believe for a second you have 10k seeds.

lazerus
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Posted: 15th Sep 2008 18:51 Edited at: 15th Sep 2008 18:52
whats the screenshot combination without the screenshot key, i have no screenshot button on this flexy keyboard

i would upload the link but am sure someone would try and download and ill probly get banned since its a pirate site

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lazerus
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Posted: 15th Sep 2008 18:54 Edited at: 15th Sep 2008 18:56
heres the info form a TPB site

Type: Games > PC
Files: 75
Size: 3.39 GiB (3637088992 Bytes) Quality: +322 / -33 (+289)
Uploaded: 2008-09-02 22:12:29 GMT
By: loder
Seeders: 7216
Leechers: 19600
Comments 1440

theres is about 3000 unknown seeders
i hate that reloaded team

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Alucard94
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Posted: 15th Sep 2008 18:58
Let's not talk about illegal torrents shall we?


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Posted: 15th Sep 2008 19:10
@lazerus,
We don't need to hear about your illegal activities on these forums - please remember where you are posting.

lazerus
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Posted: 15th Sep 2008 20:41
sorry i just get a bit over-zealus

sorry

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Dared1111
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Posted: 15th Sep 2008 20:48
What will happen?

Pirates will use cdkey gen executables instead, Pirating will be higher than if they let keys get used as much as wished, Its just ea being Gold Diggers and/or Suicidal.


Even though the real option is just copy the game directory and copy the registry files onto a pc, to bypass that issue.

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bitJericho
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 01:04
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10046565-52.html

Looks like it's been "retooled".

Quote: "We've received complaints from a lot of customers who we recognize and respect. And while it's easy to discount the noise from those who only want to post or transfer thousands of copies of the game on the Internet, I believe we need to adapt our policy to accommodate our legitimate consumers."


A nice roundabout way of calling customers thieves.

Quote: "We're willing to evolve our policy to accommodate our consumers. But we're hoping that everyone understands that DRM policy is essential to the economic structure we use to fund our games and as well as to the rights of people who create them."


They changed nothing. They should drop it altogether. It's completely useless.


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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 01:19
No, no, no, EA. It's simple. Next time, make the single player excellent but limited and the online play rock. Release the game itself for free as a download. Pay for the game as a download or in the shops and the online is unlocked. And seeing as the online is the only component that would need verification, that's much easier to secure. No customers turning their noses up at DRM. Game sells.

Job done.

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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 01:22 Edited at: 20th Sep 2008 01:22
Quote: "They changed nothing."


What are you talking about they changed nothing? They're allowing the game to essentially be installed on unlimited computers. Now the server recognizes an uninstall, whereas before it allowed 3 installs max, regardless of uninstallation, before you had to call EA. In my opinion they removed the largest obstacle with the DRM


bitJericho
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 01:24
Quote: "What are you talking about they changed nothing? They're allowing the game to essentially be installed on unlimited computers. Now the server recognizes an uninstall, whereas before it allowed 3 installs max, regardless of uninstallation, before you had to call EA. In my opinion they removed the largest obstacle with the DRM "


No, they're "looking into that". As of right now, the only thing I see changed is they now allow 5 installs instead of 3.

Both changes are superfluous, though, with the state of Spore in the pirate community.


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Jeku
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 01:24
Quote: "Job done."


Because obviously your method has worked for thousands of games that employ that kind of method? Hardly. In your method the single player is free?


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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 01:25
Quote: "No, they're "looking into that". As of right now, the only thing I see changed is they now allow 5 installs instead of 3."


The 5 install is for Red Alert 3 as far as I know, not Spore. Spore is going to be patched soon to remove the 3 install limit.


bitJericho
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 01:27
Quote: "No, no, no, EA. It's simple. Next time, make the single player excellent but limited and the online play rock. Release the game itself for free as a download. Pay for the game as a download or in the shops and the online is unlocked. And seeing as the online is the only component that would need verification, that's much easier to secure. No customers turning their noses up at DRM. Game sells.

Job done."


I think it's fair for a game company to charge for both a single and multiplayer experience. It's absurd for a game company to walk all over paying customers with intrusive and downright sketchy DRM policies.


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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 01:29
Ok, maybe the free single player was going a bit far. I admit that.

ionstream
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 01:33
Oh boy now people who pirated the game will actually go out and buy it!

Nobody who pirated the game would have bought it if the DRM wasn't there. That's ridiculous. If they can get it for free they will.

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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 01:38
But, in any case, it discouraged many and the DRM might as well have not existed before the game hit the shelves. So DRM didn't really help beyond what "normal" copy protection is capable of.

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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 19:41
Good news, now when you uninstall Spore it will give you back an install. That is entirely fair and exactly what I wanted them to ease up on. It's definitely a step in the right direction. They're also allowing multiple accounts on each install which was a serious point of contention for many families with lots of kids.

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/20/0451237&from=rss

Quote: "EA has released the first patch for Spore, the purpose of which is to fix a number of bugs and tweak some gameplay settings to be more entertaining. Some of the visual effects were upgraded as well. They've also officially responded to the complaints about Spore's DRM, stating their intention to increase the number of allowed installations to five and to set up a system to "de-authorize" systems in order to reclaim the installation credit. They plan to allow multiple screen names per account, which was an issue for many families trying to play the game. This comes not long after EA made similar changes to the DRM of upcoming RTS Red Alert 3, and after Spore's DRM protest spread to in-game creature designs. Reader SoopahMan notes that users in EA's Spore tech support forum are reporting a number of new issues caused by the patch. "



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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 19:45 Edited at: 20th Sep 2008 19:46
While still being entirely useless protection, I think it's pretty cool of them to let up. Though I did call it earlier that they eventually would. I wouldn't doubt in the least if it was planned all along in some sort of feeble attempt to stall the first day pirates.


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Jeku
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 20:28 Edited at: 20th Sep 2008 20:28
Believe me, the big publishers doesn't think DRM will stop piraters, they're not that ignorant. It's largely because shareholders expect something to be done, and this is a false sense of security.


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Posted: 21st Sep 2008 08:15
Ok...well the lan cafe where I live got spore so I got to play it, Its a pretty fun game but lacks instructions, like in creature stage it would get a new nest/home I would walk away for 5 mins and kill some stuff, come back and they already migrated...it was annoying and pointless...

Its like they threw together 5 mini games...

and it also has a lot of weird bugs, like some kids would play for the first time, not get out of cell stage, quit with out saving and restart the game and then they would have everything and all the stages unlocked...and they have had random crashes while people are playing it, people also told me that if they have it at their house it will crash or get errors, if it doesnt crash or get errors for them it works fine...

So Ill prolly just wait to get it on wii!


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