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Magpie
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Posted: 20th Oct 2003 22:36
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Quote: Who said that a cloned cat would have a different fur pattern? I thought that it would be the same fur pattern.

Wow a triple post. But seriously, a clone isn't actually a "carbon copy" of it's "brother/sister" (internal voice: using too many speach marks!) it also shares a lot of genes with it's surrogate mother.

If men were machines would they break down as much?
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haggisman
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Posted: 20th Oct 2003 23:13
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Why would it share a lot of genes with its surrogate mother? I thought the cloning process involved removing the genetic material from an egg cell and then implanting another cells complete DNA?

Environment is also a strong factor in how a cat appears, though i dont know whither it would effect the fur pattern.

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the_winch
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Posted: 20th Oct 2003 23:20 Edited at: 20th Oct 2003 23:21
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Quote: "She does not, however, look identical to her DNA donor. The pattern on cats' coats is only partly genetically determined - it also depends on other factors during development."


A clone will be genetically identical to whatever you where cloning otherwise it would not be a clone.
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Ian T
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Posted: 20th Oct 2003 23:58
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A clone has the same DNA, but the whole fur pattern is not stored in the DNA to begin with; hence the different fur patterns, Helix.

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Pincho Paxton
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Posted: 21st Oct 2003 00:51
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Quote: "Einsteins special theory of relativity has been verified a few times to say the least. Especially the fact that light *always* travels at the same speed irrespective of the reference frame."


Hmm things get complicated here. But I don't think that the speed of light has been proven yet. Ok they have a speed...whatever it is because I didn't bother to remember it, but that doesn't proove that light didn't travel back/forward in time. If light travelled 3 times faster than the registered number it would still register the same number because it would have travelled back in time, and then forward again. Lol! I like to really scrutinise science before I believe in something.

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Pincho Paxton
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Posted: 21st Oct 2003 00:56
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Anyhow just to give my opinion I think that light does travel back/forwards in time due to some other evidence that I have seen. So I think that the speed is most likely wrong.
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Pincho Paxton
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Posted: 21st Oct 2003 01:23 Edited at: 21st Oct 2003 01:24
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Why...well because the energy required for all the light in the universe might not be as efficient as having the same photon in several places at once. That is not proven though, that is my own theory as an example.

Although there is some proof to back me up.

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Newbie Brogo
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Posted: 21st Oct 2003 01:31
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wow, my post got pretty big, yay! i finally thought up a good topic that would keep running!!!!!!!!!!

You did what? For who?! For how many jellybeans?!?
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Pincho Paxton
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Posted: 21st Oct 2003 01:46
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I think that 1 photon could be everywhere at once, but that is a big step to take, and I prefer the small step approach. Maybe 3 places at once or something nice and easy to get to grips with.

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Easily Confused
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Posted: 21st Oct 2003 01:50
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Quote: "Especially the fact that light *always* travels at the same speed irrespective of the reference frame."

Recent discoveries have shown that the speed of light is actually very very slowly accelerating.

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Newbie Brogo
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Posted: 21st Oct 2003 01:52
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arrrggghhh, hmm. no realmente philosphy pero.... un hecho... nuestro mundo entero funciona en las computadoras, si no había there'd de las computadoras entonces no esté bancos, ninguna NASA, FBI, Cia, gobierno, o cualquier cosa... ¡si su pegado en el fo medio una charla del nerd, y u r uno, opinión justa, HEY! ¡ellos el mundo entero funciona en nerds, si no había nerds, que allí wouldnt sea juegos! TV, computadoras, etcétera. pongo este poste en español por ninguna razón evidente, pregunto una traducción si usted la desea en inglés...

he he, i'm just posting everything in spanish all of a sudden...

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Ian T
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Posted: 21st Oct 2003 02:08
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Easily Confused-- that's a theory that's getting a lot of publicity, but there is as yet very little evidence to back it up. I think it's interesting, but I don't care enough either way to 'believe' it or not.

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Magpie
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Posted: 22nd Oct 2003 22:44
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Playing a gameboy.



Wondering why my coffees the same size as me.

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Posted: 25th Oct 2003 16:33
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Contrary to popular oppinion, a clone as we can currently produce it is not identical to the original; I'm not sure why, but I think it's something to do with DNA not actually being a full list of instructions for making a being, you need a lot of input from the surrogate mother to complete the process, which is why you can't easily crossbreed between species.

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Pincho Paxton
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This information from the mother is interesting. I often think that a kiss transfers DNA from 1 person to another. Have you ever noticed how couples who have been together for a long time start to look like each other. Or people with dogs start to look like their dogs. Could be the face licking!

....They might even let the dog's lick their faces too! LOL!

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haggisman
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Every cell with a nucleus in the Human body contains the entire Genetic code to make a Human and as far as i know there is no mechanism for a surrogate mother to introduce more DNA even if it needed it.

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Joeyjoejoe Shabadoo
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Well they could make a virus that changed people into someone else, since a virus introduces the code to make more cells, it could be possible to make it indroduce the code to make it change into someone elses, but you it would also need to be able to reproduce itself or enough for every cell

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Posted: 25th Oct 2003 18:37
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That would take over 7 years to do, the immune system would take it well before then.


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Posted: 28th Oct 2003 20:15
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Plus there's the slight problem of an organism not rebuilding itself from the ground up because it's old dna has been changed.

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Posted: 28th Oct 2003 20:19
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Quote: "Every cell with a nucleus in the Human body contains the entire Genetic code to make a Human and as far as i know there is no mechanism for a surrogate mother to introduce more DNA even if it needed it.
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It takes more than the entire genetic code to produce a creature, you need the right growth enviroment and correct conditions to do this. It also takes some details from it's technical mother during the phases from zygote to foetus. Otherwise you'd be able to grow a giraffe embryo inside a cow's womb.

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haggisman
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Posted: 28th Oct 2003 21:38
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Yes but the genetic code is completely intact and is the complete instruction set for the building of the being. Anyway through processes like cloning / IVF, I believe embryos are grown in test tubes first of all before implantation so technically it doesnt matter if its in its own specis womb for proper growth.

What techincal details are you talking about anyway?

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Magpie
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Posted: 28th Oct 2003 21:47
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Quote: "Yes but the genetic code is completely intact and is the complete instruction set for the building of the being"


NOO!!!!!!!!
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haggisman
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Posted: 29th Oct 2003 17:08
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If you are so sure what are these details that the mother supposedly gives to the zygote?

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Megaton Cat
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Here's my phisosophy:
You are all crazy.
I hate these sort of threads that start a long speech contest of philosophy, politics, religion, etc from something so small as a question. Any way have fun I'm heading over to the progress forum to check out the latest games.

p.s diddn't bother to read any of it so excuse me if I offend anyone by missing something. You'r better of just ignoring me.

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If you didn't read any of it, what makes you think you have anything decent to say on the subject?


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Yian
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Posted: 30th Oct 2003 22:23
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The fact that he didn't read any of it,of course.

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