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ArcAngel
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The title caught your intrest didn't it? How would you like to be living in a virtual nation? Being whatever you want, doing what you'd like, interacting with other real people? This is a board dedicated to comments and suggestions about making a virtual nation. I would like to get some people on board to help me with this, anyone who is interested may help. Right now this project is a possibility for me, not a definent, but please don't shoot this down because it's with DBC. So what do you guys think? Open discussion! BTW - I got this idea from reading Tom Clancy's Netforce {the kids ones lol} Duel Identities, the Virtual Nation in there is called Latvina. Check it out!

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Sooo... You're making a virual world program?

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eh... yes I guess you could say that. But you make it sound so dreary. This could be big ya know?

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Is it a MMORPG ?


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That sounds OK what would you be able to do? drive vehicles ,have an adventure ,fly a plane e.t.c.? pity you can't meet a girl on there, can you?
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Only if our bodys coulod get transfered inside...

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Pity , what a shame
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Ah hah! Now you guys are starting to think about how big this could be. Yes! You can meet a here! Sure you could drive, but I haven't decided on what era this is going to be set. You could be riding in on a horse instead! I guess this would qualify for a MMORPG. Think of a huge clue game without the mystery and in 1st or 3rd person view. So far I think it would be cool if the user filled out a long "about you" form and then a character based on that input is created. You can have the option to tweak it to make it look like you! lol.

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This just popped into my head. Lets say a character is generated and takes on the role of a prince, that person remains a prince but has complete freedom to do things like everyone else, so if he wants could do something horrible and get kicked out of the royal family. Then you have the princed body guards, who are also real people. Plot movement is going to be a huge factor in this game, and the plot is never going to end so it needs to be infinite, maybe randomize sets of possibilities? But here's the real twist: Because someone filled out that "about you" form when the user logs off the computer takes over for them based on the switches triggered by the personality of the user. Now because there is freedom and you may chance after that form is filled, those switches are consantly being changed when your actually in the game, but remain when your off. So that means if you decide to someone and is in the process of the crime, and you log off or get kicked off, the action is still carried out by the computer. The character is constantly interacting with the game, making it endless. What do you think of that?

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I suppose you watched .hack//SIGN too much.

I know one guy succeeding into building a MMORPG, so I think that style of game is possible with DarkBASIC.
But your project seems much too big, too ambitious to be possible ... alone.

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Dude, u just reminded me of VITRUAL WORLD, the program i was making but left! LOL... heeeyyy, this is my idea Just kidding. But go ahead and use it U can even use teh name 2 (if it isn't taken). Virtual World. U can even use the idea. Im in a very good mood right now My idea was this: You can get vicheals and stuff. Also, you can get jobs. You can be a store owner or a business person. You can be a poliece offisor. Or, you can live the BAD way. Be a crimnal and steal things. You can get houses and things like that. Hey, want me to help you create it? Like make textures for u or help u with the code? My services are free! You dont even have to put my in the credits. Lets see... Only problem is i cant access my e-mail for a while, so i'd have to post code (but people can steal it). Owell, i can still make examples for u if u want.


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Don't forget the patent Stradigos!

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Oyah. But patent caosts money , so copyright is the way to go.

SO, how aobut it? Want me 2 help u?


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On the contrary I don't know the slightest thing about .hack. And yes dragonz i would appreciate your help and thank you for your kindness! However I don't know if this is going to get off the ground... How do we keep in touch? Do you have AIM? My website has a forum, which is below. But anyway. Keep on talkin folks! My brain is rollin~

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I cant check my e-mail or logon right for a while. We can post messages on here for a while. Wait a sec... O, dang. U use DBC? Hmmmm.. I use DBP, but i can still give u a few pointers. R u an expert or a newb? BTW, im middle.


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I'm in the middle also, lol. Yes I'm using DBC. Come on people continue talking about this!

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Check on my website for Movement Example (under tutorials).

Do u understand that code? Im working on a tutorial for u. Also, before u do anything with it... Does it work with DBC? I made all that code from scratch. I hope it works with DBC. Its not the whole thing, it just creates a player and u can move him. Im going to post how u can detect collisions, get in cars, and maybe some other stuff.


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If the code doesnt work, I posted the example i made on my website so anyone who has DBP can use it.


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@Stradigos
How much experience in DBC do you have?


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Yes, I understand that perfectly. There's a problem though, when your going the opposite way and let go of the down key the camera wips around to the other side. lol, minor error. And no it doesn't work with DBC. It gave me an error on make camera 1 and set camera to follow. Keep in mind while that getting into car thing is cool, I think this game is going to be a bit more 1800's, so no room for cars!

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I have a decent amount of know how in DBC. I could easily expand on it, but school is starting soon.

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Actually I wanted to make a program called Cybergod where you really could play a God, you can create your own planets, and civilisations , have your own Adam and Eve or even, if your that way inclined Adam and Steve, up to you make alien cultures and races who worship you,.

You can be a good or evil God, you can create a Heaven or Hell you could even make Heaven a super planet, up to you and I want to make it mulitplayer .I think I might start a thread in the Team Request and see if I can get a few programmers to help me there
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By the way I got 1st and 3rd person camera for vehicle's namely a hovercraft but I think it could be adapted for most ground vehicles, including horse and cart.

And I have a flight model in the code snippets you can use if you want, that is why I put it there
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I would be interested in that tutorial Hell Dragon, especially if I can allow both the player and th a.i to get in and drive vehicles seperately and at the same time
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Your cybergod game seems interesting... how would you make that game fun in multiplayer mode though? I'll check out the code snippet. And yea... that does seem kind of hard to do with out a huge routine.

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Yea, your code snippet looks pretty sweet. The only thing is that I don't have a joystick. lol. So I'll have to rewrite it to move to mouse and keyboard... unless you want to do that for me? lol.

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I have a mouse and keyboard on there I think or if not use the free flight control example 18 , I want to get the mouse to steer the plkane left and right, and pitch up and down ala Freelancer then everything would be there for flight.

If you can do the steering for mouse that would be cool Stradigos but I will try and write it for mouse and keyboard, I got some code the other day that just might work
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We'll continue this chain of posts on your Code snippet board
Anyway. Anyone have any ideas for this Virtual Nation? Anything they think would be cool in it? What era do you think this game should take place in?

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Why not make it in a parrallell universe
OK sorry lets let someone else contribute some idea's enough of me
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Whats a parrallel universe? And really come on people. What do you want in an MMORPG?

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My website has some tutorials. 2 bad they r for DBP...


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Quote: "What is a parrallel universe?"


An alternate universe similar to the one we're in but with key things that are different (Maybe Abraham Lincoln wasnt assinated, WW2 never happened, etc).

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Any possibility for a 2D MMORPG? How do you think that would go?

I'm just trying to get some input from you guys, getting you to talk.

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Well.... Thats not exaxtly true.If stradigos just trying to get ideas for a game then he might not have even started yet.

@stradigos: A 2d MMORPG would bepretty hard.And sorry even though i would like to help, i started off making 3d games and i am not too good at 2d.But the offer is out there, if you need help i'll help (again, just an offer).

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Yea really, i haven't even started the frickin thing yet. I'm getting input.

ANYWAY ----- lol

@dj blackdragon: How would it be more difficult? I've always thought it would be easier actually. Seeing that I'm more of an old school gamer and fanatic I think it might be right up my alley. Plus it actually fits into and might blend with another game idea I have. And what was your offer? You didn't make it clear, lol.

@helldragonz43: Yea, your tutorials are quite useful. The only thing I suggest you fix is this - when your move your box backward the camera forcefully flips instead of going with like all the other different directions. Very cool though, let me know when you fix that {if it's possible} and I'll save that code into my snippets. Good job! You said you were a medium programmer, thats pretty top notch!

@everyone: Hey, come on people I'm still looking for some input on what they think should be in an MMORPG. What do you think FF11 lacks? What are the good and bad qualities of games and MMO games in general? Feel free to think outside the box. No one thought people would like a plumber named Mario

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*sigh* come on guys~. I know how much people like MMORPG's, what do you want to see in them?

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OK, I've got 3 reccomentations.

Why stop with 1 virtual nation? How about starting out with several, and allowing groups of people to form their own, with governments, economies, etc. Then you could have government coups, wars between nations, elections, election scandals (hanging chads, anyone?), and all sorts of fun stuff.

You could also set up NPCs that "swap out" with player characters. For example: That shopkeeper you met in [Insert City Name Here] wants to quit his job and see the world, and asks you to run the shop in his place. You could then run the shop (setting prices, buying inventory, etc.) until you're bored and give it to someone else.

Lastly, you should set up a bounty-hunting system to combat PKing. For example, let's say our little newbie gets himself killed by a PKer. The newbie goes to the bounty-hunter's guild and puts up a small reward for the jerk who killed him. A bounty-hunter player character checks the bounties and goes on a quest after the PKer.

It'd be tough to program, but possible.
Just my thoughts, Underhill

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NOW THATS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. Thank you Mr. Underhill. Yes, that would be really cool. I'll add that to the wish list lol. Anyone else? Comments on Mr. Underhill's advice or comments of your own?

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@ stradigos: My offer was if you need help (with coding)


And continuing on with Mr. Undehill's sugestion you could make a whole univese and a way to get to each one of the planets in it.

Also you should make different time periods or something like it (i.e.some planets have not evolved as much as others technologicaly,civility, so on and so forth.)
driveable vehicles would be nice. And if you could purchase different weapons depending on how much the planet has evolved.
Plus maybe even a history lesson for some of the planets.

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Ok dj blackdragon I'll keep you in mind, thank you kindly for your offer. Yea, that sounds kind of cool. I dunno, i kinda wanted to keep this more 1800's. But maybe the fad for that time era for MMORPG's has fadded a bit. I'll think about it. Anymore on the possibilities of making a 2d MMORPG? Yes? No? Pro's and Con's?

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Thanks. But if its going to be multiplayer, do u know how to use DBC's multiplayer commands? Wait a sec... There isn't any. How r u going to make it multiplayer?

The mothod i like for multiplayer is returning a numerical value of the player's X,Y,and Z positions. Then positioning another object in those positions, this creating multiplayer. Thats really the only way to do it, right? Thats the mothod i use. Just a little tutorial (10 second tutorial) on how to work multiplayer.

In a loop, keep on positioning the other players by using the mutliplayer command to return the data of the players positions.


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@Hell Dragonz43: I thought there were... Oh well, i'll just upgrade, it's about time for me to do that anyway. lol.

@Everyone: How would you like a Virtual Chat room that you could goof around in. Then when people start requesting what they want in there inside the chatroom I can make it for them. lol, simple yet effective.

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How about this? One virtual planet, many nations you can travel to and vist , some nations are very advanced, others are extremely backward your game avatar can interact with loads of NPC's and you decide to travel this virtual planet and see what is in these nations.

You get wars, trade, e.t.c. just like here on Earth and you can become rich and famous in this virtual planet , lets call it planet Green and yeah why not make it an actual planet but have some nutty religous sects say that planet Green is flat
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There is in DBC 1.13 Enhanced Stradigos, pity you couldn't talk using your voice through a Microphone
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You can, just not in realtime.


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Pity. sucha shame I suppose you would need DBP for real time mulitplayer
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Yea, I think I'll upgrade very soon. I'm getting sick of Darkbasic's interface and using wanna-be-good-editor darkedit. lol.

Hmmm... that does seem interesting. I might stick with the whole planet thing though. The only thing with that is, wouldn't that take up a huge amount of space compared to 1 planet with many nations? Thats just like multiplying the space. Plus, I don't have a staff of a thousand to make all these planets, I have to do it all alone... lol. So I'll stick to 1 planet many nations. Maybe i'll make it so you can travel to the moon, but hey, whatever.

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Online multiplayer. That's all... Mr. Underhill's Idea ROCKS!! The 1800's umm... That wouldn't be the best time. I'd like it to be placed in the year 2005.

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OK, I've got 3 reccomentations.

Why stop with 1 virtual nation? How about starting out with several, and allowing groups of people to form their own, with governments, economies, etc. Then you could have government coups, wars between nations, elections, election scandals (hanging chads, anyone?), and all sorts of fun stuff.

You could also set up NPCs that "swap out" with player characters. For example: That shopkeeper you met in [Insert City Name Here] wants to quit his job and see the world, and asks you to run the shop in his place. You could then run the shop (setting prices, buying inventory, etc.) until you're bored and give it to someone else.

Lastly, you should set up a bounty-hunting system to combat PKing. For example, let's say our little newbie gets himself killed by a PKer. The newbie goes to the bounty-hunter's guild and puts up a small reward for the jerk who killed him. A bounty-hunter player character checks the bounties and goes on a quest after the PKer.
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So how would you go about doing this in lamens terms? Because this idea is the best I've heard so far.

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Ok... maybe not the 1800's. But what about knights in shining armor? lol. No? Current times huh? That would be easier to I guess... Still don't know if this will be in 2d or 3d yet. I'm leaning on 3d because it will look better... but still, I suck at doing 3d so badly to the point of mockery. And since all the 3d ers are taken or don't want to offer there service... whats a guy to do you know? I think i'm going to go into team request and just ask for any s from there games they have made to put into the game. While I'm there I'll also ask if anyone would like to help

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