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Darkbasic MADPSP
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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 10:56 Edited at: 12th Aug 2005 11:00
you don't have to get the mods mentioned here what's all the fuss?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8796394/

and here

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8728577/

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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 11:35
The scenes are already included in the installed version, but only unlocked by entering the code (the 'mod' download doesn't actually add the scenes, they're already there). Essentially, GTA are receiving a lower age rating because they're 'hiding' the worst scenes from the reviewer. Games aren't rated on parts of a game, they're rated on the whole game.

What makes this worse, is that Rockstar have claimed hackers hacked into the source and added in the scenes which is a blatant lie.


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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 11:43
Still pretty funny though to see the US and others get extremely worked up, nothing much has happened in the UK iirc

"A book. If u know something why cant u make a kool game or prog.
come on now. A book. I hate books. book is stupid. I know that I need codes but I dont know the codes"
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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 11:48 Edited at: 12th Aug 2005 11:51
That grandmother suing Rockstar is way out of line. There was clearly, even then, on the case, a warning for Graphic Violence, Sexual Content, Large Amounts of Drug Use etc... and the name of the game coincedentaly, is Grand Theft Auto in the october PS2 release of the game.

At first rockstar didn't say anything. Then Rockstar was trying to hide, saying they (being the haxx0rs) had added the code, which nobody belived, as it was a quite stupid excuse. Then eventually they admitted that the programmer who was working on that minigame in, didn't remove the code because he was a damned moron. He was fired.

Still the question runs through my mind, what if the mini-game was in the game in the first place? Would this of gotten even half of the attention that it has gotten? Would the rating of been made AO right then? Killer 7 (as jack thompson, whom I probably hate the most in this world, has pointed out now) has full blown sex cut scenes, and it quite a bit more gorey then GTASA. Killer 7 was, and still is, a rated M game (Which I thought when I played it at my friends house, that it was surely a AO game, especially after I had been fresh minded of the rating change of GTA. It is pretty gorey at points and it is full blown sex).

Not that I care about any game being rated or censored in anyway, I think if we can have sex, nudity, decaptition etc... in rated R movies, we should be able to have it in rated M games. And after it leaves the publisher to the stores, it should be the stores and the parents responsibility to not let their kids play "bad" games, not the developers and the publishers.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 11:51
Quote: "There was clearly, even then, on the case, a warning for Graphic Violence, Sexual Content"


Never thought of that. She doesn't really have a case then does she!

I think it's mad you can ever sue for such things!

"A book. If u know something why cant u make a kool game or prog.
come on now. A book. I hate books. book is stupid. I know that I need codes but I dont know the codes"
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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 11:52
Quote: "Essentially, GTA are receiving a lower age rating because they're 'hiding' the worst scenes from the reviewer."


Here in UK it already has highest rating - 18, exactly same as Debbie does Dallas.

Quote: "What makes this worse, is that Rockstar have claimed hackers hacked into the source and added in the scenes which is a blatant lie."


The dumb parents who bought their 10 year old an adult only game, then complain because it has adult content, will probably fall for it though.

It may have a younger certificate elsewhere [if this is the case they should be prosecuted], but here in UK it has the most mature certificate possible.


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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 11:56
Quote: "Never thought of that. She doesn't really have a case then does she!"


Heh, theres actually a 2 column list along with the word "MATURE" on the back bottom half of the PS2 GTASA case. And on the front of the case theres a giant "M", and on the CD there is a giant letter "M" etc...

If thats not enough, then I guess instead of artwork on the case fronts, we can replace them with a 200fontsize letter telling you the rating, and on the back, instead of a synopsis, we have a list in 64font size telling you each reason it is rated as so.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 12:19
Quote: "Here in UK it already has highest rating - 18, exactly same as Debbie does Dallas."


Which would be why there hasn't been much controversy in the UK (as David T said). The issue is where the game has been given a lower rating then it would have receieved, I know the game would have been banned outright here (only because we don't have an 18+ rating) but it's still on store shelves anyway.


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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 12:43
We do have an 18+ rating, but its never used!

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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 12:51
I am of course, talking about Australia.


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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 13:09
Quote: "We do have an 18+ rating, but its never used!"


It is for gta isn't it?

"A book. If u know something why cant u make a kool game or prog.
come on now. A book. I hate books. book is stupid. I know that I need codes but I dont know the codes"
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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 14:35
Depends which Rating System is used.

PEGI is
3+ / 7+ / 11+ / 15+ / 17+

BSCB is
U / G / PG / PG 12 / 12A / 15 / 18 / R
U = Universal (any age)
G = Guidance, same as U but it's a recommendation that the parent watch through it first.
PG = 8+, although this is just a recommendation. again it's up to the Parent to review it and see if it's bad.
PG 12 = this is a new one for cinema (well relatively speaking) it means that the film is parental guidance, but also means that if the kid is 12 they can legally view it if they want to
12A = Similar to PG12 only you have to have an adult accompany you, this one isn't used so much.
15 = Self Explanitory
18 = see above
R = Restricted. Cannot be sold over the counter. This is reserved for Documentaries, Horror and Porn mostly. Most people will never see this rating often, if ever. I've personally only seen it once, on Texas Chainsaw Massicre. That was years ago before it was downgraded to 18.

There isn't much issue I've seen with the rating systems here or Europe. PEGI are better not for the age limitations but it actually provides symbols for the content.

There has been one contriversal game here in the past.
Carmageddon. The blood had to be changed from Red to Green, else it was banned. I got the original version before it was pulled from the shelves ^_^

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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 15:20
12A = Similar to PG12 only you have to have an adult accompany you, this one isn't used so much.

No, isn't this the more widely used one? I know that got rid of "12" and replaced it with "12A" - never heard of PG 12.

"A book. If u know something why cant u make a kool game or prog.
come on now. A book. I hate books. book is stupid. I know that I need codes but I dont know the codes"
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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 15:23
The one on the site for the British Certificate System is PG12, if that's what companies use I dunno.

However if your parent says you can see it, you can even if your not 12. Probably why 12A was added I guess. Not sure, I don't see many films much anyways. Never seen a game with the rating.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 16:16
Clearly the UK has too many ratings, I prefer our system, it's much cleaner:

G: General Audience (anyone)
PG: Parental Guidance (anyone with parental supervision)
M: Mature (Recommended for 15+ but basically anyone)
MA: Mature Accompanied (15+ but anyone younger must be accompanied by a parent/guardian)
R: Restricted (18+)
X: Restricted (18+ but only for sexually explicit content)

Fortunately the Australian OFLC combined our film and game ratings just recently so they're exactly the same, with the exception being that R and X don't exist in games (for some wildly bizarre reason). Most of the time the ratings are just recommended with the last 3 being the only legally-binding ones.


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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 17:03
The UK's system is fine...

U - Universal, everybody can see it
PG - Parental guidance
12A - can only see without parental guidance if 12 or above
15 - self explanatory
18 - again

"A book. If u know something why cant u make a kool game or prog.
come on now. A book. I hate books. book is stupid. I know that I need codes but I dont know the codes"
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Quote: " The UK's system is fine...

U - Universal, everybody can see it
PG - Parental guidance
12A - can only see without parental guidance if 12 or above
15 - self explanatory
18 - again"


What happend to the bog-standard 12 certificate?


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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 18:20
US IS TEH BETTER!!!!!1111

We have a low edcatin standard AND Different ratings for our movies (your game ratings look like our movie ratings...G, PG, PG 13, R, AO)
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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 18:27
You guys think this sh*t is messed up?

Look at this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8143073/

Man convicted after murdering another player over a MMORPG sword.

I'm surprised they didn't yet send undercover FBI agents disguised as elfs and necromancers into such popular games as WoW and Guild Wars.


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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 19:05
haha. Megaton..you get funnier every day... Or your MONEYZ BACK!
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Posted: 12th Aug 2005 19:31
Quote: "What happend to the bog-standard 12 certificate?"


Is was replaced with 12a because films like spiderman was 12 - stopping anyone under 12 seeing it weather accomponied by an adult or not, which was pretty stupid.


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Posted: 13th Aug 2005 03:03
The real reason they replaced 12, with 12a was so that marketing people could sell toys to kids who otherwise wouldn't have been able to see the films.

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Posted: 13th Aug 2005 06:35
In my area any game thats marked as M you need ID to buy it.

The San Andreas I bought for the PS2 has a rating of Mature 17+ with "Blood and Gore, Intense Violence, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, and Use of Drugs" written right by the big M.

Right after that news came out about GTA: SA I saw a newscast about it. They talked to a concerned mother about their kid playing the game. She said "I don't want my 15 year old kid playing that game... so I took it away from him.". Hello lady! Your 15 year old kid shouldn't be playing it... YOU GOT IT FOR HIM AND NOW YOUR COMPLAINING????!!!!! Don't buy M rated games for your damn kids!

It makes me mad when people are so stupid.
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Posted: 13th Aug 2005 09:39
you know....if all the stupid people died only david T would be alive

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Quoted from david t's signature

I hate books. book is stupid"



Don't balme you i hate them as well

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Posted: 14th Aug 2005 17:15
What on earth is this about

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8757077/

it says you can download this thing when it's pogrammed into the game

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Posted: 14th Aug 2005 17:27 Edited at: 14th Aug 2005 17:27
You download files to unlock it. I`ve just got them. Should be fun.
Americans must be sick if they put a game as AO because of a sex option. Not because of the drugs, extreme violence or the swearing but because of sex. Like 17 years can`t see that sort of thing.


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You got them for pc or ps2?

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Posted: 14th Aug 2005 17:30
Quote: "Don't buy M rated games for your damn kids!

"


Why i get them when i'm not at the age restriction!

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Xbox. I wish I was 16 so it would be ilegal. Being 18 is no fun.


Gimme teh votez!!!!
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Quote: "Man convicted after murdering another player over a MMORPG sword."


That's nothing. One man recently died after prolonged game playing with a 50hour gaming session that his body eventually couldn't handle.

Another Man divorsed his MMORPG Wife, and got REAL lawyers involved to divide up the booty. He even offer to give her their REAL/LIFE apartment in return for her giving up everything virtual.

Those Korean's should be bloody banned from playing video games.

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They are teh crazuh!
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Posted: 14th Aug 2005 17:51
I remember going to see Chaplin some years ago (the remake; I'm not *that* old). Was a 12A, which was new at the time. Before a 12 rating pretty much was only slightly higher than cartoons. Everyone went in and you could feel the icey glares from the mothers there with their 12 year olds when that bird took her top off. Improved the film no end in my opinion.

Right up there with that 6 million dollar bloke in a film where he is a chopper pilot. Was being shown in the afternoon one week (about 1pm) when I was ill from school (about 13 years old). Was pretty boring till one scene the main bird takes her kit off (no bottoms ). Talk about double take. I mean this ain't germany, you don't get any nudity until 9pm here (or 8pm mainly on film channels). Amazing how many people I found during the years who were ill and saw the exact same film. And were amazed. Heh, fond memories

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Posted: 14th Aug 2005 17:55
Quote: "you know....if all the stupid people died only david T would be alive "


What on earth are you talking about?

Quote: "Quote: "
Quoted from david t's signature

I hate books. book is stupid"


Don't balme you i hate them as well"


You obviously don't know the event to which my sig refers, it's not me who said that... :0

"A book. If u know something why cant u make a kool game or prog.
come on now. A book. I hate books. book is stupid. I know that I need codes but I dont know the codes"
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lol..your famous Dave ^_^

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Quote: "You obviously don't know the event to which my sig refers, it's not me who said that... :0

"

Who was it?

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Quote: "Americans must be sick if they put a game as AO because of a sex option. Not because of the drugs, extreme violence or the swearing but because of sex. Like 17 years can`t see that sort of thing."


Yeah it's crazy over here in America. We have all kinds of double standards.

All forms of media have sexual innuendo and just enough female flesh to sell products yet sex is a taboo subject to many people.
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Quote: "Yeah it's crazy over here in America"


we already know in the uk americas gone crazy always has been always will be

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America is kinda like the black sheep of the family. We don't like to do what the rest of the family (the World) wants. We refuse to be on the metric system and we refuse to drive on the same side of the road as the rest of the world.
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Quote: "we refuse to drive on the same side of the road as the rest of the world"

Huh? Should I start driving on the left side of the street now !?!? I think that part refers to England, or else I missed the memo

As far as I know, most of the world is with America's right-side system.

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As most Americans I don't travel much... I barely know what's happening on the next block.
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Ummm i think america likes to do it there own way, measuring system, sports, Schooling... damn american likes to just be left alone in its courner of the hemipshpere or damn george bush will nuke them...

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what's the size of that vid? and i agree that the americians do like it there own way

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America has had that superior attitude for longer than George Bush has been around.


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Yah I just want to get back on the Sexual Content issue in the GTA series, for 1 thing parents should be more worried about the internet there are a lot more interesting things on google images that have absolutely no control over them whatsoever, GTA you actually have to buy something so the parents would therefore know so its their problem, We should be controlling other things like sexual overtones in commercials I mean those are real people wearing basically nothing with hands positioned so that you can almost but not quite see anything, our society is sick and going downhill I predict in 10 years we wont even have the hands in front anymore it will be blatant sexual advertising and stuff. GEEZ and people get mad at GTA.

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but parents like to be protective and like to blame everything but themselves..then after the relise that theres nobody to blame then they start getting the idea that it may be their fault. i dont blame them if my self was a paerent i would like to protect my children as well. but parents i guess dont understand that there are alot of video games for adults only now, not just for children anymore like it was when they were smaller. but not all parents are like this. there are alot of smart parents out there that understand these things...and i salut them for not doing the first thing that comes to there mind if they find something offensive (SUE!!!!)

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Quote: "America has had that superior attitude for longer than George Bush has been around."


It's because the World has a love/hate relationship with America. They hate us but love our stuff. Anybody for McDonalds?

About GTA: I don't understand how most parents don't have a problem with their kids playing a game with strong language (the F-word every 5 seconds), drug use, blood/gore, theft of vehicles, and the murder of cops. Parents that only freak out over GTA having the possible ability to see sexual acts are a bunch of hypocrites.
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Posted: 17th Aug 2005 06:54
Quote: ". Parents that only freak out over GTA having the possible ability to see sexual acts are a bunch of hypocrites. "


Having a problem with exposing a child to sex but not violence doesn't make you a hypocrite.


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Quote: " Ummm i think america likes to do it there own way, measuring system, sports, Schooling..."

from what i understand, American Measuring system is called teh "imperial" system, and that sounds more european to me...
I like the american schooling system compared to the eurpean, i mean, if you're not smart enought, you get punted out at our mid school age if your in europe, but in america everyone gets more of a chance, it's focused on the majority, rather than the few smart people.

Quote: "Parents that only freak out over GTA having the possible ability to see sexual acts are a bunch of hypocrites."

I dont have much of a problem with violence, because I think that most people over react to it. But I wouldn't tollerate any sexual anything for my children. I mean, i'm goign to have the kids play games in their age group (Teen is for kids 13 and under in my book ) Swearing and sexual content are a major no-no in my book.

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