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Posted: 13th Mar 2006 13:56 Edited at: 14th Mar 2006 13:37
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a lot of people dont, but i dont see how they carn't, heres my logic...

an extraterestrial dosen't have to be a little grey man in a flying saucer, any type of life atall would qualify, even microbes, bacteria from another planet would be an extraterestrial lifefrom, and how many planets have we searched? we live on earth, swarming with life in every single corner of the globe, the moon is not a planet, and the only other planet we have searched is mars... we found evidence of life, fossilised microbes have been found on mars. debatable but a lot of evidence, and a lot of scientific opinion towards fact. there is also conclusive evidence that there was once water in mars, this would be brilliant for any possible life.
now, if earth has life, and the closet planet to earth, the only plant we have searched for life, had once had life, even only as microbes, and there are billions upon billions of other planets that we havent even come close to, are you seriousely telling me none of them have life on them?
whether there is planets with life equel or greater than us, i dont know, but its not unlikly, we managed it, that proves its not impossible, we havent even got anywere near to the edge of our soalor system, so if there is life in other solorsystems that is equel to us, we wouldnt be able to know of each other, and remeber, space has been there for countless millenia before us, anything could be out there.

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Posted: 13th Mar 2006 14:35
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That would sure be interesting...

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Could be other life, but there is a danger of disease. We are immune to most of Earth's diseases, but I doubt if we would be immune to alien diseases. Mind you, there may be alternatives to DNA that can start life, and therefore that sort of life form would probably not harm us at all.

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i believe in the logic of it, there are billions of other stars each with their own planets, what are the chances that out fo billions and billions of planets that earth is the only one with some sort of life on it

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Posted: 13th Mar 2006 20:06
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Erm... about 1 in a billion billion?

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Posted: 13th Mar 2006 20:49
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I believe in some form of life. I dont believe we will ever see it.

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ditto to fallout, i wont ever see it, but maybe a few generations from now will

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i reckon we will, i mean it is only a hundred years since the wright brothers first flight, and wre on mars now, and think about how fast technology is advancing, its growing by the day, i shuld hopefully be alive in 60 years, there will probibly be B'n'B's on jupitor by then!

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For all we know aliens could invade tomorrow and kill us all. But I try not to think about it.

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I wonder how evolved gaming is on other planets.

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In view of the grammar and punctuation of the very first post, I wonder if intelligent life exists on this planet.

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@phillip lol

Quote: "swarming with life in every single corner of the globe,"
i wish a sphere had corners.

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The odds are that out of all the planets in the universe, the percentage says that 8 of them should have intelligent life similar to mankind.

Out of those 8 planets the odds are that 1 of them would have Pacman!!!

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I think that your view on "Aliens" differs upon how you bealive we came to be. For instance, religion usualy says that we are of some greater importance, a chosen race so to speak. If you, however, are an atheist, then evolution, if it was to occur on earth, could then indeed occur on other planets, as earth is VERY young, at least when compared to the age of the universe. Also keep in mind that if evolution is correct, and we ended up the way we are by means of certain occerences, then aliens are more likly to look nothing like us. They could be giants for all we know, As we could have been, if not for a giant meteor crashing into the earth, cuasing the rise of mammals, and, later on, man(Im not trying to say evolution is more correct then religion, so please dont take this as a push in the direction of a religion debate) Thats my thoughts anyway.

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i thought about that exact idea with my religious leader and asked them what would happen if we met aliens, how they fit into the religious structure and bla bla bla, but yeah, im sure i dont ahve to worry bout that anytime soon.

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HOLY COW! THEY FOUND MICROBE FOSSILS ON MARS???? Wow! (I'm not being sarcastic) Could anyone point me in the direction of a website that could explain this? Awesome!

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aliens exist, i say this is undebatable




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i think they found what they thought was fossils on mars but it turs out they werent, and i do believe there are other intelligent species out there but we will never see them, (untill the real stargate program goes public and the ori invade wuahahaha)

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No they've NOT found life on Mars, peoples. That was blown WAY out of proportion almost 10 years ago, and it was nothing.


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Somebody sneezed on a rock, and they said it was life on mars. I think they are getting desperate to find life.

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Posted: 14th Mar 2006 13:32 Edited at: 14th Mar 2006 13:33
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i will correct the grammer in my original post, (though it may not be perfect) when im typing,i type to fast and ignore any grammer or spelling mistakes, a bad habit of mine, i depend on spell check, but ofcourse theres no spell check on here.
as for the debate on weather or not fossilised microbes have been found on mars, theres a lot of eveidenc and scientists opions to both sides of the argument, but it is conclusive that there was once water in mars, which gives strong possibility towards life.

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Of course there's life. But, I don't think we'll see evidence of it, maybe ever. Maybe if some fluke remnant of some other world rains down on us, like a boxed set of one of their TV shows, hopefully chronicling their history in rich detail and featuring lots of nude human females, or hot green alien female slaves that look like human females.

As for religion, I think God (or whomever) creating the universe just so that he could create mankind would be kind of like Microsoft creating Windows XP just to create Notepad. It's possible, I guess...

I also believe in nerds... but they don't pay the bills, so I don't worry too much about them.


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how wierd would it be if we made contact with inteligent live, and they had all the religious stuff we have, all completely identicle...

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ahm we ain't even finished searching our own planet yet, what about that GIANT lake they found in the north pole or was it the south pole..., i don't believe they've broken through the ice yet, but there could be a completly different set of animals living there. As the barrier between these two realms for lack of better term has never been broken.

They almost reached the lake bed, BUT to not infect the lake with our micro organisums they plan to wait until a new way is developed to reach the lake without contaminating it... That was back in the 1990's on t.v. cannot believe i still remember it. Wonder if they found a way yet..

Anyway back on topic, yes i'd say there is 'aliens' out there, or at least i'd like to hope.


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Posted: 14th Mar 2006 14:08 Edited at: 14th Mar 2006 14:10
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Quote: "how wierd would it be if we made contact with inteligent live, and they had all the religious stuff we have, all completely identicle... "

But it would be even weirder if they hadn't invented a spell checker yet... or had big pizza faces?


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going on from General Sephiro ...

we havent searched beneath the earths crust either, weve only been down about 20 kilmeters, god knows whats down there, i think thers worrys about throwing the earths rotation of if we go down to far, about tha magna escaping and stuff, but i dont see how thats possible, i mean we have volcanoes, whats the differance?

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Quote: "Of course there's life. But, I don't think we'll see evidence of it, maybe ever."

I have to disagree with Curtis on this one (and everyone else who thinks we'll never find it). I'm willing to bet that in this decade or the next, we will have found hard evidence of life on another planet. It's mostly a simple matter of finding water, and we already know there's water on other planets. Take for instance Jupiter's moon Europa. It's an ice planet (well, moon technically), and most scientists believe that there's liquid water beneath the surface. Also, there was last week's discovery by the Cassini orbiter of liquid water geysers on Saturn's moon Enceladus. Combine these facts with Captain Robert Ballard's discovery of creatures near hydrothermal vents deep in the planet's oceans, who live without ever absorbing the sun's energy, and it isn't too difficult to conclude that there's a serious potential to find life in our very own solar system.

We're a tiny little planet in a tiny little solar system near the outskirts of a tiny little galaxy, all in the midst of a monsterous universe with more galaxies than we could ever even hope to discover. And each of those galaxies is filled with trillions of stars, most of which have entire systems circling around them. To say there's no life in the universe outside of earth would be a pretty silly assumption, in my opinion. To say that we'll meet extraterrestrial life? To say they'll be little green men in a flying saucer out to eat our brains? That's another assumption. I think the real question is, why would intelligent life capable of reaching earth bother to come chat with us? With our alleyway abortions and fake dog poo, and starvation in third world countries, and george bush, and massive wars, and all the other things us humans are so talented at. I think aliens would avoid us the second they see the ratings for the Jerry Springer Show, and honestly, who could blame them?


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Quote: "ahm we ain't even finished searching our own planet yet, what about that GIANT lake they found in the north pole or was it the south pole..., i don't believe they've broken through the ice yet, but there could be a completly different set of animals living there."


Never heard of that before...Sounds very interesting.



Quote: "I have to disagree with Curtiss on this one (and everyone else who thinks we'll never find it). I'm willing to bet that in this decade or the next, we will have found hard evidence of life on another planet."


Well, I'm not excited about finding microbes. A fish might be exciting.. just about.

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come on. ofcorse there is life on other planets!
havent you guys heard of the blue moon? (a planet designed by scientists)

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Posted: 14th Mar 2006 18:32 Edited at: 14th Mar 2006 18:34
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@ Lukas: I saw a special about the blue moon on National Geographic... pretty nifty stuff.

@ Pincho: I think it'd be even MORE impressive if we found a complete society of intelligent life living under the surface of Europa. Remember that show "Snorks?" Or was it snorkels
^ EDIT: But it would be incredibly significant to find even single-cell organisms on a different planet, because that would prove, beyond any reason of doubt, that we're not alone in the universe and that there's other planets out there that can support life.

After reading megaton's post, my girlfriend Sharyn said "I wonder if aliens have video games where humans invade THEIR planets and they have to fend us off." Interesting concept, eh? Wedding bells!


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Quote: "there will probibly be B'n'B's on jupitor by then!"

That's not going to happen ... Jupiter doesn't even have a solid surface it is just a ball of gas.


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Quote: " I saw a special about the blue moon on National Geographic... pretty nifty stuff."

yea i saw that too

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Ignore me, joke for Benjamin:

Edit: Thanks. (Not like you guys were discussing anything importent...)

p.s I wasn't bashing the French, the joke was too big to copy & paste to Ben on MSN so I quickly cut it here and gave him the link. No need to get yer self all excited.

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Quote: "Could be other life, but there is a danger of disease. We are immune to most of Earth's diseases, but I doubt if we would be immune to alien diseases."


indeed, just like the problem with the crusades, the europeans braught back the plague from the mid-east (as far as i understand), and the mid-easterns were immune to it, but the europeans never experienced it before, so suffered badly.

similar to easter island, the population was pretty much whiped out by virii carried by dutch sailors, who weren't even affected by the virii.

There are still a few places left in our own solar system where some form of inteligent life could exist, and many other places in the system show potention for supporting life in the future, or possibly have done in the past, and indeed simple life forms have been found on other rocks too.

as for my own oppinion, well i quite frankly don't care whether life is out there or not, what i care about is what would happen if we made contact. humans are naturally xenophobic, and i fear that following our own human nature we'd be as likely to start a war as much as to start a peaceful alliance, especially if the rumours about roswell etc are true (im not saying anything, just that the conspiracy theory is there, thats all.)

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over-reaction much

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Ha-ha. Goof is funny.

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Quote: "what i care about is what would happen if we made contact. humans are naturally xenophobic, and i fear that following our own human nature we'd be as likely to start a war as much as to start a peaceful alliance, especially if the rumours about roswell etc are true (im not saying anything, just that the conspiracy theory is there, thats all.)"


I don't believe in conspiracy theories... well, most anyway. I honestly think that Roswell was a weather balloon. But as far as humans starting a war, I completely agree with you there. Humans have a tendency to blow the crap out of anything they don't understand. Not to get into politics, but I'm willing to bet that the current administrations of the governments throughout the world would shoot first and ask questions never if we were visited by aliens. Then again, like I said in my last post, why would they want to


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Quote: "That's not going to happen ... Jupiter doesn't even have a solid surface it is just a ball of gas."


surely towards the middle the gas must be so dense it's almost solid?

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Quote: "surely towards the middle the gas must be so dense it's almost solid?"


I might be wrong, but I think the center of Jupiter is made up of magnetic rocks and stuff. I think National Geographic said it was the size of a grapefruit, while Discovery said it was the size of a basketball... same difference really. But I could be completely mistaken as I'm too lazy right now to go look it up


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I have to believe in extraterrestrials, I`m stuck on a planet full of em



Jupiters core is supposed to be metalic hydrogen and trace heavy metals according to theory, but seeing as we arent sure quite whats at the Earths core (and thats much closer) I think its more of a educated guess than actual fact

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I'd say it was more then speculation... I'd say that some of that data may have come from several satalites that we sent there, and crashed there. I'd say that it would come from the spectrography we get from the planet. I'd say... yeah... it's speculation.

I hate Science's view of Water being the key to life. If we weren't so arrogant saying our planet is perfect for life, we probally would have discovered some form of life a long time ago... Unfortunatly, after sending many rocks at us, the Venations and Mercurians have died of boredom...

It is a BIG universe, we are just ONE of many GOOGLEPLEXIANS of combinations, both as species and dependencys for life (ie. water).



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@Teh Go0rfmeister
They really havent confirmed what started the Black Plague but they also say it may of come from traders and merchants from asia that crossed into the Gobi Desert...


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Quote: "It's mostly a simple matter of finding water, and we already know there's water on other planets."


It is NOT a simple matter of finding water as water != life. Anti-creationists believe it *may* start life, but that's far from 100%.


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Quote: "There are still a few places left in our own solar system where some form of intelligent life could exist,"


Well, for INTELLIGENT life as we know it, only on a spaceship mate.

As far as life generally is concerned (and I mean life in the sense of bacteria rather than a complex sentient form of life), Venus is far too hot. Mars is a cold barren dessert. The rest of the planets save for Pluto and its large moon Charon are gas giants. Pluto is a frozen dessert and ditto Charon. The most interesting places in the solar system as far as some form of life is concerned, apart from Earth and Mars (which did millions of years ago apparently have an atmosphere and surface water), would be the moons Europa and Titan. The former is the better bet for life.

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Quote: "I hate Science's view of Water being the key to life"

Quote: "It is NOT a simple matter of finding water as water != life. Anti-creationists believe it *may* start life, but that's far from 100%."


Water is the key ingredient for creating life here on earth, and it's the only principal we can search for on other planets. We need some sort of control variable... otherwise we're searching for a needle in a stack of needles. So we choose to search for water because, based on what we've seen and what we know about, it's the easiest way to track down life. I'm sure that somewhere there's organisms that don't need water, but we don't know of any yet and searching for liquid water gives us a great starting point.


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Incidentally, Earth is often jokingly referred to as the Goldilocks planet. This is because Venus is too hot, Mars is too cold, but Earth is just right.

However, in a greater astrophysical sense, the entire universe is the goldilocks universe. If you change any of the major astrophysical constants that govern the universe (such as the universal gravitation constant for example), mathematically the universe would never have come to the point where any planet could harbour life.

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well if we do find cavemen on one of these other planets/moons im sure the americans will be the 1st to build a mac there.

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Posted: 15th Mar 2006 00:42
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What? Confused at joke.

Philip, your idea is also flawed, based on obserbed data, Extreme Tempuratures PROMOTE life. Stanley Miller.

Matt Rock, let me make a better analogy. Looking for life on planets with only water is like looking for a single type of bacteria in a tank full of bacteria. If there are even 10 possible combinations for life, then we are only looking at 10% of planets that may or may not support life. If there are a thousand possibilitys... then it is EXTREAMLY ineffecient.

I draw the line on a few things
First off, there must be an atmosphere. I can not concive a planet without an atmosphere supporting life, if it were to do so the life may as well be free roaming space things.
Second, The majority of the planet must be in solidified state inorder to have solid based entitys (not denying the existance of gasious entitys)
Third, General Proximity to a star, nebula, or any object that exerts some form of energy. Else you would be breaking the law of conservation of mass-energy

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Posted: 15th Mar 2006 00:49
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I just thought I would post these links because I was browsing wikipedia and found them, and they interest me a lot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_the_outer_solar_system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Vostok

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Posted: 15th Mar 2006 00:58
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@ Mosillivo: Water can't exist without the parameters you defined, not to my knowledge anyway, and so I was basing the water thing on the idea that you need the other ingredients, too.

Every time we think we know what creates life, we find something new. The only variable that doesn't seem to change is the necessity of water, and that's why scientists are searching so valiantly for it. That's all I was really saying.


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