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Geek Culture / E3 Sony v's Microsoft presentations.

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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 17th May 2006 04:16
well the wii mote is proboly the reason for the biggest hype. i believe the wiimote is a great idea a lot more new game ideas have opened up because of the wii mote.

i bet sony or microsoft will try to copy it

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Posted: 17th May 2006 04:18
one game? if i had the money id buy every game for ps3.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 04:26
crap the nintendo presentation doesent work, not loading

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Posted: 17th May 2006 04:33
What I'm saying is that the PS3 is so expensive for games that have already been played, in new hi-res graphics. Same with the xBox 360. With the price of a PS3 and one game, you can get a Wii with 8 games which have more to offer than a looks boost.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 04:55
well sinse these things download so slow, ill leve them downloading overnight

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Posted: 17th May 2006 04:57
Pagan, what did I tell you? Now shut the f*** up and go try another site for the Nintendo presentation. Sony’s sucked, and no matter how much you refuse to believe it, Sony lost e3 big time, and Nintendo unanimously won. If you'd shut up and actually listen to us, you'd understand WHY we're so exited. Sure, were hyped up about the Wiimote, but what's really impressive is the way it controls games and the games that it will control. And learn to use the edit button.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 05:05
Quote: "If you'd shut up and actually listen to us, you'd understand WHY we're so exited"

*exits you*

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Posted: 17th May 2006 05:19 Edited at: 17th May 2006 05:20
Oops. Was the words fault. Stupid word.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 05:42
Uhh, Bizar? He DOES have a right to like the PS3. No reason to blow it out of proportion :\

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Posted: 17th May 2006 05:55 Edited at: 17th May 2006 05:56
No no, that's not what I meant at all. Of course he has the right to like it. I'm just sick of him trying to defend it against the wii and the 360 when he barely knows anything about them. Especially the Wii. After a while his posts stopped being funny and became annoying...

I don't like the ps3, and it does look like it will be the worst of the next gen despite having the best graphics. But I don't think liking it's a sin or something. I told him to shut up because I asked him not to post until he'd seen all 3 so he could offer a real opinion. But he posted before he'd even finished one of them, and it was Sony.

This is my first post on the matter,
Quote: "So stop backing up Sony until you've seen all 3, and don't post again unil you've watched all of them either"
and this is my second:
Quote: "Pagan, what did I tell you?"
Quote: "Sony’s sucked, and no matter how much you refuse to believe it, Sony lost e3 big time, and Nintendo unanimously won"

That last quote is a fact. They did suck at e3 compared to everyone else, and Nintendo DID win, and DID have the longest lines at any e3 ever, for those who care to know.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 05:58
It's hardly a fact though. Tell me how that is NOT opinion. It's pointless anyway, just leave him be, we'll enjoy playing fun games for less and he'll enjoy playing ps3. The ps3 DOES indeed have some games that I'll miss out on, but it's still more worth my money to pay for a Wii which seems to have at LEAST as much to offer.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 06:55
By fact I mean that it's the majority opinion, but whatever. Majority opinion determines who wins at e3, But It is opinion the Sony sucked. Just a very widely spread opinion. He proved he was hopeless on the last page; I just got really annoyed on this page... But it isn't opinion that the most people went to the Nintendo booth, and there were more there than there were at any e3 ever, that IS fact. I guess it's just annoying to have such an arrogant person come on like that. If he could actually back up his opinions or at least not write a couple essays about how he doesn't know what he's talking about but is going to tell it like it's true anyways, I'd have been fine, and I imagine everyone else here would have been too. If that didn't make sense it's because I'm very tired and am about to go to sleep... zzzz...

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Posted: 17th May 2006 07:05
seriously, no point in argueing with this dude, he cant understand what you are saying (or that is what it seems like)

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Posted: 17th May 2006 08:24
Quote: "i bet sony or microsoft will try to copy it"

*cough*


...

Alright I'm done now as well.
I just came over here because the forums on my site just died after this massive half-hour post orgy.


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Posted: 17th May 2006 09:56
Quote: "doubt PS3 will die. it has the best graphics so far. "


And you buy a system purely for graphics? I feel bad for you.

And the PS3 tilt-remote thing was getting complaints from all over about how laggy it was compared to the Wii remote. And today Merryl-Lynch predicted the Wii will cost $200US--- which is cheap enough for anyone to buy, really. That and the fact that there's supposed to be what, around 60 games on launch?

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Posted: 17th May 2006 10:28
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And you buy a system purely for graphics? I feel bad for you."

Haha, well it's not like we weren't guilty of buying consoles from the last two gens for that same reason. The only difference is that now theres something new on the table from a very trusted name, and it's got us drooling out the sides of our mouths. Maybe he's new to console gaming, haha.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 12:43 Edited at: 17th May 2006 12:46
i just saw an article on gamedev that says Sony hasn't finaliesd its dev kits yet. so have Sony really finished the design on the PS3 yet.


oh as for games for PS3 and XBOX360. i have to say that the titles shared by both platforms. looked exactly the same graphics wise.
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Posted: 17th May 2006 13:36
Quote: "In the last generation i felt like xbox and ps2 had more games. And in my opinion most of the games that i thought were really cool were in the xbox and ps2. i felt like gamecube had less games. and most of the games that i liked in the GC were already out for ps2 and xbox. infact there were very few of thouse for the GC. right now i only recall need for speed game (dont remember the exact name).
in my opinion gc failed."


Can anyone tell me what was wrong with this paragraph exactly?
Well the most obvious aspect was "The Nintendo GameCube had less games than the Playstation2 and Xbox". Sorry but while I'd agree the library compared to the Playstation 2 might appear a little lacking next to the Xbox I can't remember which has more game, but it's damn close. They both have a library readily available of over 350games each.

It has available on it, Need For Speed: Underground, Underground 2 and Most Wanted.

Oh and let's not forget that while Nintendo sold the least units and games, they actually made a profit last generation. They might not be top dog, but they're certainly going to be able to financially outlast the competition. If you want to see a failiar Nintendo Console look no futher than the N64.

Quote: "i think that sinse nintendo and microsoft teamed up, they will probobly share a lot of games."


Nintendo and Microsoft haven't teamed up. God knows where you'd get that idea. Niether company is worried even slightly about the Playstation 3 though. Kinda ironic I think.

Quote: "and sinse sony is selling final fantacy (squarenix?) to microsoft"


Square-Enix are an independant company.
Crystal Chronicles (GameCube)
Final Fantasy XI (PC & X360)
Final Fantasy XII, XIII & Vs XIII (PS3)
Advanced Tactics & Anthology (GBA)

Yeah, that is some huge Microsoft change of hands. It's irritating that Square-Enix are still creating for Sony, even after all the hassle. If it wasn't for the Playstation providing them with more space they would never have moved from Nintendo in the first place.

Quote: " then there might be more than 13 final fantasies coming out."


More than 13 Final Fantasy's already out.i

Quote: "think the problem with nintendo in the past is they did not buy enough licenses from other companies. if they did and for example the all mighty and popular gta was avaliable for GC, it would have been more sucsessful."


Rockstar tried to get Grand Theft Auto III on to the GameCube, but 2 things stopped them. They claimed 1.4GB per Disc wasn't enough, but the real reason was because Nintendo wouldn't give them a Seal of Approval. Too many bugs in the game, that's how most GameCube games are; might feel like there's less of them but they work to a far higher level-of-quality than you'll ever see on the Playstation platform.

Quote: "on the other hand (i am not sure about this) if xbox and sony are competitors now, sony might not grant licenses for microsoft so xbox 360 wont have any upcoming gta games."


Yeah, I'm fairly sure that's why GTA4 hits the x360 first this fall before the Playstation 3 or Wii are even released.

Quote: "nintendo should try to aquire more licenses from other companies so they could publish more games which will greatly increase their game selection."


No, Nintendo could've done with focusing more on the European and American key demographic though. The sale of Rare, was quite obvious they weren't doing that. It was just as well that the 3rd Party Developers like EA and Capcom knew what they were doing.

Quote: "If the popular game comanies will stay with the sony and microsoft, and wont go to the wii, despite of wii's awsome consoles, all the popular games will be for sony and MS. what makes people think that the companies will suddenly turn over to the wii?

if wii will be a repeat of the gamecube , it will die."


a) That's retarded thinking. Wii is catered for a much broader demographic as a whole, where-as Sony are aiming directly at the 18-24 Key Male Demographic (as always)

I think you'll find that it's now going to be down to more fanboys(or girls) about how popular Sony is this time around.
Everyone has say 1 maybe 2 games they want for the Playstation 3.. hell even I do, but those are exclusive games that won't go on any other platform. Still Sony can go hump a lampost if they think I'm buying a new Playstation for a handful of games.

b) NINTENDO HAVEN'T STOPPED MAKING PROFIT IN THE LAST 6 YEARS. Sony and Microsoft made huge losses last generation.
Microsoft this time has learnt and designed the X360 with that in mind.

Quote: "but gamecube had very pour selections of games. i never liked nintendo games much. i loved the playstation and xbox games, they had a lot more games and which i liked more than any nintendo game i have ever played. all of my friends have either an xbox or a ps2. (if they ever had a gamecube i didnt know it utill they showed it to me lying dusty in the corner untoched for years. pretty much all of my friends either hate gamecube or dont like it. The only reason some of them have a GC is for SSBM which is i guess one nintndo game that has mario in it and is quite fun."


That's all down to where you buy your games from really.
I have a fairly large library of GameCube games I absolutely love them all. I also now have fairly large Playstation 2 and xbox libraries.. I must admit the 360 gets played on ALOT now, but that's only cause my mate took battlefront 2 back.

Down to the gamer and their personal choice.
I thought that Starfox Adventures was pretty awesome, Zelda, Crystal Chronicles, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil 4, NFS: Underground 2, Star Ocean, etc..

Each and every one of those games were pretty awesome.

Quote: "example. TES oblivion was a big hype among the TES fans (i am a hardcore fan of the elder scrolls). they blew away the fans with flashy graphics and awsome articles and reviews. I was very exited for the game. in the end half of the people ended up either hating it or not liking it as much as the previous game morrowind. (take a look at the tes forums). i liked it at first but got bored of it after a month (i havent been bored of morrowind for 2 years). so i went back to morrowind"


I thought Oblivion was a big steaming pile of FPS-RPG ****.
Although I know alot of people liked it, I honestly felt it was bug ridden and just boring as hell. Teach me to be play another Eldar Scrolls game.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 13:52
Have I posted this yet? Pretty graph of the prices of consoles down the years - adjusted for inflation etc. Note the Nintendo consoles are getting cheaper - and how scary BOTH price positions of the PS3 are (in the CDi range).
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Posted: 17th May 2006 17:22
Quote: "Pretty graph of the prices of consoles down the years"

Ohhh. It´s the same price as all the consoles that failed. And the Ataris but they don´t count. Still I don´t think price will be much of a problem at the begining. If Sony still have more shop floor space then Microsoft then they will most likely win.
I´m stil unsure about the wii though. It sounds great for most games but a video on gametrailers of someone playing the demo of Zelda made the wii controler look bad for those type of adventure games.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 21:06
Quote: "I´m stil unsure about the wii though"
Meh, just buy them all. Thats what I did last time. Can't go wrong then Personally I'm already fantasizing about hooking up a Wii to my projector and Jedi-ing it up against my projector mates across town (currently have 3 mates with projectors and serious gadget addictions). Oh yes, super size Wii Jedi wars. Heh Goddamn I say.....

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Ps. And I just remembered I *loved* the Lego Star Wars game. Oh yes. Almost made for the Wii name. Oh, and someone at work mentioned it would be cool if you could use the attachment to walk around, but also to do force moves (pretty sure I read the attachments would also have movement detectors in them etc). Imagine getting into a sword fight with a Sith, moving around with the joystick while trying to hack his head off, and then pushing quickly with the attached device to shove him back using the Force. Mmmmmm....

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Quote: "I´m stil unsure about the wii though. It sounds great for most games but a video on gametrailers of someone playing the demo of Zelda made the wii controller look bad for those type of adventure games."

Actually, people who played the wii version of the game said it was an amazing way to play it, and added whole new layers to the game. People at e3 said it was a great control scheme. Did look odd though, so I can see why you wouldn't be sure.

Quote: "Can't go wrong then "

Unless you don't have that much money to dish out. If you do though, that's a good idea. I just don't plan on spending $1200 or something on consoles any time soon.

The Lego star wars game is great, like you said. The new one looks even better though, and covers better movies.
It would actually be pretty funny if Lego Star wars 2 turned out to be the first star wars game to use the Wiimote as a light saber and such. It'd be great to use it to toss Lego bricks with the force at people too.

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Posted: 18th May 2006 03:38
well i seen the nintendo presentation, Havent seen microsoft yet.

Wii makes a lot of the simple games like golf, baseball and fishing a lot more fun. But i mostly liked the fps's they had there and i am looking forward to the new final fantacy game. the fp katana game also looked fun. The offroad racing game seemes to be fun with the wiimote. Now i am NOT bashing nintendo (anymore) i think its new controller opened up a lot of new possibilities for gaming. but i gotta admit that i think most of the games they showed. Are as i like to call them "kids" games, and i probobly won't enjoy them very much. Sony and xbox have more games that fit my interests. i can do without a fancy controller. I am predicting that a lot of Wii's games will be the interactive sports. Baseball fishing, tennis. It seemes like i wont enjoy most of the WII games. so its either a ps3 or a 360 for me. Hell ill get an alienware. then games from ALL the systems will be avaliable.

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Posted: 18th May 2006 04:58
Quote: "Hell ill get an alienware. then games from ALL the systems will be avaliable."


Yah, because, like, the PC store shelves are just littered with Nintendo games

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Posted: 18th May 2006 05:00
really? i dont recall a lot of nintendo games for pc. i hink they are mostly xbox.

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Posted: 18th May 2006 05:05 Edited at: 18th May 2006 05:15
wow, you're exelant at spotting sarcasm.

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Posted: 18th May 2006 05:08
yeah i agree to that. didnt notice the smiley there.

i cant always tell sarcasm in text

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Tinkergirl, that is the most beautiful graph I have ever seen. I am going to print that and make everyone eat it. Thank you.


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Posted: 18th May 2006 09:21
Quote: "really? i dont recall a lot of nintendo games for pc. i hink they are mostly xbox."


I was referring to what you said, that you can play ALL games on PC, and--- um, nevermind. You're hopeless

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Posted: 18th May 2006 13:47
you are saying that nintendo games dont come out for pc?

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Posted: 18th May 2006 20:38
Quote: "you are saying that nintendo games dont come out for pc?"


Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. Are you trying to rile me up?

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Posted: 18th May 2006 22:54
For those interested, the word on the price for the PS3 in the UK: £425.

Link to article. Apparently, that's more than it'll be in the US or Europe. We're used to getting it more expensive than the US, but not Europe. Andway, the article is there. £425 - that's what, two possibly 3 Wii consoles worth?
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Posted: 18th May 2006 23:07
I personally think Nintendo's WiFi is the most unreliable "service" ever. I have three friends with a WiFi network. Only one of them has access to a Nintendo WiFi operatable network, and that is around his aunt's. If the Wii needs a WiFi network to run, I am sending it back.

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Ugh....why, oh why does Square choose to make FFXIII look more awesome than X and XII put together, and release it for the worst, yet most expensive console of the three?

The Wii looks and sounds great, but is anyone worried that it won't live up to expectations? I mean, sure a star wars game sounds pant-wettingly awesome, but will it work?

I think I'll withhold judgement untill all three consoles are out. Still...purple lightsabers are the coolest thing ever.....

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Look at e3, or go read what the people who tried it at e3 say, like on ign or something. The e3 section should still be up, or you can just go to the wii part of the site.

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Wii is awesome, wii rules, and of course wii all over the house! Special Edit Sig magic!

Wii rules.
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Even Tycho likes Wii.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/2006/05/17


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