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Steve J
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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 07:01
Hey merranvo, thats not fair. I discussed the issue on citizenship before oddmind. But I do agree with merranvo, you should join a debate team Oddmind.

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Manticore Night
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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 07:07
Quote: "Manticore, think about what a forum is. A place where people go and express their opinions and facts in contrast or comparison to others opinions and facts. If you're here to waste time and you could care less what others think, you'd be better suited to talking to a wall, where you won't lose any respect (unless someone happens to see you)."
OMG, your stupidity is hurting my brain! Your getting too personal. I'm ignoring you.

Quote: "You know... I can't tell if you missed that on purpose, or if you really are losing touch with reality. Heck, you even quoted my passage (which I qouted from my original post), underlined the area of relivance then it looks like you went... oh... yeah... Uhh... I didn't post that last one."
Just look at it. You are assuming all the immigrants can't find decent housing. I'd say that's a gross generilization.

Quote: "Seriously... you have a gift, it is called reasoning."
Maybe your the one who's lost touch with reality, but I think your the only person that makes sense to.

This is turning into a big flamey thing!
@mods: Feel free to delete all of my messages after the parts were this thread stopped making sense. I hope I didn't make too much work for you.

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Oddmind
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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 07:32 Edited at: 14th Jun 2006 07:33
no i understood perfectly >,> and it was directed towards me(iirc) so you can disregard that statement in its entriety.

Oh and mods always feel free to delete anything they wish

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Les Horribres
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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 07:34
rollz eyez

Quote: "If a immigrant can not find residence in a cheap house or apartment then they will find elsewhere and due to the social nature of people, preferably with others"


I qoute this again (if you are wondering what it is, this is the part of my ORIGINAL post that you skipped). And also ask about the land ownership rights... I was pretty certain that we don't exactally let people buy houses or apartments if they don't have citizenship (like 1 year of residence I think).

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Oneka
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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 07:37
Note: I skipped the majority of this post

@Eric T
I agree, there is no offensive of saying speak english, because most of us speak english and that way we can understand you, not everyone knows, Spanish,French,Chinese,Japanese,Korean,Vietamenese,Arabic,Portugese,German,Russsian etc etc

And also (I dont have mexicans) I hate it when people like mexicans at walmart try to talk to you but speak only spanish or spanglesh and get mad when you dont friggin understand them :/


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Oddmind
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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 08:02 Edited at: 14th Jun 2006 08:05
Merravano I think i know what your trying to say but there are alot of people on visas or w/e that have been in the states for 20 years and dont have citizenship yet. thers something else in between you have to have >,> i forgot what its called.

EDIT: oh yea, legality XD

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BearCDPOLD
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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 08:30
I'm here to complicate things. Or maybe be ignored while the rest of you continue with the debate of arrogant Americans vs snobby Europeans.

I went to Taco Bell yesterday. I went and was firmly determined to order my food in English. I walk up to the counter and prepare to request a nice, greasy, heart attack-inducing chalupa. The clerk is hispanic. Not surprising, I live in Arizona. However, I approach the counter and what I hear is "*************". I can't even type it because I didn't understand it. Shall I walk around with a sign on my shirt saying, "When you ask me what I want to eat SPEAK ENGLISH PLZKTHX?" Just thought the experience would be appropriate to add to the conversation.


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Oddmind
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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 08:59
^^ happens here all the time... which is why i even said anything...

Apparently matt rock has lived in GA and FL and knows this tho

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Saikoro
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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 09:37
I think everyones points have been established, theres naught much more to add on any account... *hint hint*

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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 09:39 Edited at: 14th Jun 2006 09:47
I've lived in both GA and FL, and I can tell you that there are concentrations of illegal aliens all over the place that do not speak english, nor do they even desire to learn the language. They literally take over several city blocks of residences and form a "little mexico". I would say that 80% of them do not speak any english whatsoever short of "no", "yes", and "no speaka english".

They work in nearby factories illegally, and occasionally the INS shows up in a few vans and sends a couple dozen back to Mexico. I have talked with them and they interpret it as a vacation from work. They spend a few days at home, hop the border and are back at work in a week or two.

They have many people living in a single dwelling, sometimes having "sleep shift" schedules so that everyone gets a chance to use whatever sleeping furniture is available. They live in this arrangement to maximize their profits from work. $800 in rent/utilities a month split 10 or more ways means each person spends $80 or less per month. They make in the neighborhood of $1200 a week doing overtime hours. So $4800 a month minus the $80 or less rent minus food and misc. items is what each person makes. They don't save the money or spend it on frivoulous items, they send the money home to support their families and usually every once in a while that money pays for one of their family members to come to America so that they too can join the effort.

They are doing what they have to do to survive in the world, and I applaud them for that.

However, at the same time, I also feel that they are taking jobs from American citizens b/c the factories would rather save money by paying aliens less. By the alien's standards, the wages are outstanding, even though most of them make in the neighborhood of only $12 an hour.

And by my own estimate, 80% of them do not speak english, and 60% of them don't understand english when it is spoken to them. I would say that 25% try to learn the language while the rest could care less.

Anyway I was going to say I have been to fast-food places in those areas like McDonald's and Burger King, and the people taking your order honestly do not speak english at all due to most of their customers being latino.

It does make you mad when you can't place an order at McDonald's b/c the people there don't speak the native language of the country that makes it possible for them to have a job in the first place.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled arguments.

[EDIT]
Other nationalities do this also to a smaller degree, but mostly it's Mexicans.

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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 09:50
The question is, do we really want to work in a factory?


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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 10:12
For $12 an hour I would. I'm currently raking it in at minimum wage.

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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 12:10
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I just have to say that is the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time. You are saying that what my government does I automatically agree with? That I voted for the idiot that got office and not other idiot? That we are all the same, blindly following a insane leader? I don't know what is more offensive. Your statment, or Perokreco's
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I am sorry if I offended you, i was merely stating a popular opinion in my country(not that i share it) As much as I am liberal in my views, i think that all of the illegal immigrants should be immidiately deported or thrown to jail. And I agree that speaking of english in an country in which english is an official language is expected. This story about immigrants who go to usa and dont speak english remminds me of bosnian emmigrants who went to sweden/norway/usa etc. and spent 10 years living there and havent learned the language. But that was mainly because they were too old to go through a trouble of learning a languge.

I am also pissed about the illegal immigrants as it raises negative opinions about immigration in usa, which will produce strenghtening of immigration policy of USA, and who will be on the down side?
People like me, who want to come to usa who already know the language, finish college and get a good job.

Also about the goverment and the people, actions of your goverment represent at least 49% of your population.
indi
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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 12:16
Don't worry, if prices were subject to consumerism, china will waist us all pretty soon as they develop into the worlds largest economy.

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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 15:23
while in france on holiday, the americans that i have had the misfortune to be sat next to in restaurants have always insisted that the waiter speak english.

the sign is rude and unecessary, tinkergirl's phrasing would be perfectly acceptable.

double standards are ok if your american

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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 17:27
Quote: "Anywho, doesnt europe have a similar problem regarding illegal immigrants?"
Yes. In the UK it seems to me that just about every "lower" job you can think of is made up of people who can't speak English very well at all. And then you see more and more fully English speaking people being laid off without any hope of getting work (IT industry is getting more and more screwed here). This is just my experience of living near London for the last decade or so. But we are talking something like 20 million people give or take. Actually at least in the US you have a lot of room to move about. In the UK we have something like 60 million people in the amount of space that would not take up any American state (I believe). Hell, apparently Wales (no-one lives there mind) is about the same size as New York's national park. Nice. If I remember rightly only one state is above half that number of people (just). Thats a lot of people stuffed into a small space. And we *still* get areas where speaking English will do no good. But because of the space constraints it isn't so much I would imagine. ie. everyone has to mingle a bit in most places. London for example is like every other language but English at times.

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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 19:37
Quote: "However, at the same time, I also feel that they are taking jobs from American citizens b/c the factories would rather save money by paying aliens less. By the alien's standards, the wages are outstanding, even though most of them make in the neighborhood of only $12 an hour."


That just reminded me of a news report, probally was just local in florida, but there was a woman who applied for a job at a company (hotel?) in america, and was turned down because, get this, she did not speak spanish.

The Job? Maid Service. The company claimed that she would be unable to mingle with the other maids and this would affect her preformance how? Naturally she sued the company, but it shows how our economy can be destabalized because of all this immigration.


Quote: "Also about the goverment and the people, actions of your goverment represent at least 49% of your population. "

51%, and the way that works is basically this.
I am a no-brain democrat, or a worthless republican. Lets vote for our parties and not give a crap about what the guy says!

Please do not start with politics with me, it is in my opinion that the Federal Govenment is too strong and should be replaced with a much weaker version.

Take the simple fact that Bush is racist twords homosexuals and is now FORCING an amendment that the Federal Govenment has no buisness making. The amount of people this law is designed to affect is too great to constitute ANY statistical agreement. Do I CARE that 50% of the people are homosexual haters? You still have 197,867,067 people who aren't, the number is far too large to impose any national law upon them.


Quote: " But that was mainly because they were too old to go through a trouble of learning a languge. "

Those old people are lazy... not stupid.

Quote: "You Can't Teach an Old Dog New Tricks
Actually, you can. New research funded by the National Institute of Aging found that older beagles fed a healthy diet and given plenty of exercise performed nearly as well as younger ones on cognitive tests. "

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Quote: "while in france on holiday, the americans that i have had the misfortune to be sat next to in restaurants have always insisted that the waiter speak english."

You mean the ones you noticed, I made that distinction before and I make it again. People aren't all the same, and not everyone insists the same.

Finally, this does not pretain to the illigal immigration of mexicans who REFUSE to learn english.

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Oneka
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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 19:39
And I hate when they have stupid protest about it saying crap, heres my view if your illegal then YOUR ILLEGAL AND SHOULD BE SENT BACK TO WHERE EVER YOU CAME FROM WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT! ~ It gives Legal immagrants a bad name....stupid illegal non speaking aliens from outerspace


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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 19:46 Edited at: 14th Jun 2006 19:49
haha sirfire hit it right on the nail... Which is why I dont think the primary party has lived in GA or FL for as long as he says or something to that degree...

Oh and if youve ever seen the movie "Fun With Dick and Jane" with Jim Carey, the scene where he tries to get a job with the illegal immigrants and the INS shows up? Thats real. No joke, that happens everyday, several times a day in one area or another.

edit: And @ saik, your right but since matt has started this crap I think he should get a final say to try and topple my demographics with "real life accounts". I dont want to sound like an @ss or anything but at least know what your talking about when you start a thread like this.

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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 20:46 Edited at: 14th Jun 2006 20:47
Quote: "while in france on holiday, the americans that i have had the misfortune to be sat next to in restaurants have always insisted that the waiter speak english"
Hehe, one time our company paid for a trip to france. While there we had a top meal at this really nice restaurant. We were always getting hammered in those days so basically ripped straight into the wine. So there we are, a group of about 30 blokes all acting it up in this small side part of the restaurant. All to ourselves basically apart from this family in one corner. Anyways I'm pretty plastered so I really start acting up, and basically start taking the mickey out of this family and their silly french ways. Don't actually say anything directly to them, just have a laugh with my mates. Half an hour goes by and the family leaves. Turns out they were english and understood every word. Doh. You have to realise that the french insist on not learning english because they hate us so much, so you naturally assume they don't understand you. A yugoslavian friend of mine was treated great when we were in Paris once, but as soon as I spoke (Welsh with neutral english accent from moving about so much as a kid) I got massive amounts of disdain. Ho hum...

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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 21:09
Quote: "51%, and the way that works is basically this.
I am a no-brain democrat, or a worthless republican. Lets vote for our parties and not give a crap about what the guy says!
"

Well as your system works american president can be elected with around 30 and something percent of votes.(Bush was legally elected with 49%)
Also Dazzag, a long time ago, Yugoslavia was a popular country
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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 21:14
That is the popular vote. I am talking about the curropt "electoral vote" there is a difference.

Further more, if you want to deal on that level,

Quote: "Percentage of voting age population casting a vote for president: 51.3%"


Here

Meaning 24.55 people are Bushed.

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Posted: 14th Jun 2006 21:24
Thanks for turning this into a political debate, Merranvo.

But seriously, you need to learn what the term "racism" means

Quote: "Take the simple fact that Bush is racist twords homosexuals"


Just too funny for words.

Anyways, this thread has came and went, with Matt Rock not even coming back to try and dig it out of the ditch.

Where's Locky Chu when you need him.

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