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Geek Culture / New "I'm A PC, I'm a Mac" Ads by Apple

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Posted: 11th Feb 2007 16:33
nay...

Quote: "Plus, IE seems to acquire tool bars when I haven't even downloaded them, which is quite irritating"

I noticed this too, and I hate toolbars(everything but google is bad)

Quote: "Which is why I hate people going around saying 'Macs are crap, buy a PC' or 'PC's are crap buy a mac'. I'd rather hear some real advice, like 'You want to develop multiplatform games, I'd recommend you pick up a mac with Xcode and grab irrlicht or torque and you can do that', or 'you want to make games, and you're a beginner, grab a PC and Dark Basic'."

so that produces multiple targets(mac,linux,windows)?


Quote: ""So you must know what the CPU's accumulator registrey is called, right?""

ooh, ooooh pick me! pick me!
ok it's um AX or EAX depending on if you need 32bit or 16bit
lol..guess making a PC emulator and an OS have taught me something..


btw IE6 sucks compared to FF, haven't tried or even seen IE7 so not gonna comment on that

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Posted: 11th Feb 2007 17:23
I really dont like it when people turn innocent threads into 'vs' threads. They're pointless - especially when the people who turn them into 'vs' threads have no interest in debate or conversation, only arguing points they have no interest in (ie trolling).

It happens everytime someone mentions the word Apple or Mac.

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Posted: 11th Feb 2007 17:55
Nah, I was just curious why no one pointed out REAL Mac advantages. Seppuku did that nicely, and I am sure there are plenty more like these.
That was my only grudge against this whole Mac campaign. No one can deny that competition is bad. It gives the end buyer a choice. You wont go to hell for using a Mac and vice versa.

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Posted: 11th Feb 2007 18:53
Well I can see how bad justifications annoy, because they annoy me too, well, so I'm glad my list of advantages was what you wanted. But the Mac adverts and campaign, I think nothing serious about it, instead I just laugh with them, because of how they're done, I mean I laughed at the spoofs as well, because they're funny too but poor old Linux though, Mac and PC just hate him But then that's because I look at them as a joke and not as an attempt at advertisement.

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Posted: 11th Feb 2007 21:38
Nay. I think it's funny to read posts of people getting offended by each other for having a different opinion. It's raw prejudice at its worst. Personally, I use both a mac, and pc. (Three pcs for that matter...) There are good sides to both of them, and flaws to both as well. I hate the apple computer commercials as much as the next guy (assuming the next guy is a normal unbiassed human being) but there's a difference between the ethics of a company and the quality of a product they produce. Get over it people.

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Posted: 11th Feb 2007 21:50
I only used a mac once a long time ago so I don't know if it's still like this or not. When I discovered that there was no physical way to eject a disk I was very confused. I eventually saw to eject the disk you have to use a drop down menu and select "Eject"... then I saw "Format Disk" right next to "Eject". I was shocked they would put those right next to each other. I'm sure many people have wanted to eject the disk only to format it instead. Is it still like that on a mac?

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Posted: 11th Feb 2007 22:53
You know what I tell people? If you hate computers, buy a mac. You'll probably love it. If you like computers, buy a PC. You'll get a LOT more bang for your buck.

I think those commercials are very funny but also completely wrong. What's worse is whenever you see an office setting on TV these days, there are macs on all the desktops. What's up with that? Its fine if your employees just want to browse the web all day or listen to their itunes... But if your work goes beyond MS Office (oh, that's a microsoft product) then what'll you do?

I do video editing and dvd creation as a portion of my job and for those activities, I love Final Cut Pro and DVD Studio Pro. The rest of the time, I'm on my PC.
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Posted: 11th Feb 2007 23:08
There's an eject button on the Keyboard you can use, or at least on ones that I've used.

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Posted: 11th Feb 2007 23:24
Quote: " use Firefox because I think Firefox is a more suitable browser...It has absolutely nothing to do with disliking Microsoft"

I was refering to people who only bash IE... I am fully aware about the better security, although I disagree it is as drastic as people claim it is, but go on Urbandict and read what people write about IE... THOSE are the people who obviously ONLY hate Microsoft, and bash IE for that reason.

My argument is that Apple is taking THIS approach and instead of saying WHY Macs are better, they are bashing windows using fallacious reasoning.

My comparison was between the STYLE that Apple and these MS Haters use. I believe them to be highly similar in nature which leads to my conclusion; Apple is behaving like a little child, issuing false accusations and complaining about nothing in order to try and make a sale.

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Posted: 12th Feb 2007 01:16 Edited at: 12th Feb 2007 01:17
Quote: "I eventually saw to eject the disk you have to use a drop down menu and select "Eject"... then I saw "Format Disk" right next to "Eject". I was shocked they would put those right next to each other. I'm sure many people have wanted to eject the disk only to format it instead."


This is exactly the same in Windows. It does seem quite dumb that they'd both make the same mistake. I'm sure there's a "Are you sure you want to eject this disk?" dialog box that comes up, I know of no software that will format a disk without you asking (besides the codes in Ric's make your computer explode thread)

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Posted: 12th Feb 2007 02:43
Quote: "This is exactly the same in Windows. "


Really? I must be an idiot I can't find it. Went and booted up my win 98 machine to see if perhaps it was there since my 2 most current machines no longer have a disk drive other than the DVD, yet I could not find a FORMAT disk next to an EJECT. There is an option for my A:drive to Format a new blank disk, but no option to eject it since to eject its a little button on the drive to push.

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Posted: 12th Feb 2007 03:33 Edited at: 12th Feb 2007 03:36
I really dislike these ads. Not because I hate macs (but they aren't my favorite, mainly because pcs are used way more and I grew up on pcs), but because they are basically saying all pcs suck. While there are ups and downs to both pcs and macs, I don't think either suck. And what makes little sense is how they show the pc as an older guy and the younger guy as the mac... so only old people use pcs???

I know other commercials do similar "bashing" tactics, but to flip the tv on and seeing a 20 year old guy tell me to buy a mac because the pc is a middle aged, brown suit wearing nerd starts getting to get on my nerves. They are two different things, like saying vanilla is better than chocolate. Unlike other things in advertising, macs and pcs have different qualities and different uses. I don't use a pc because it's boring.

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This is from Charlie Brooker's column:

I Hate Macs

Unless you have been walking around with your eyes closed, and your head encased in a block of concrete, with a blindfold tied round it, in the dark - unless you have been doing that, you surely can't have failed to notice the current Apple Macintosh campaign starring David Mitchell and Robert Webb, which has taken over magazines, newspapers and the internet in a series of brutal coordinated attacks aimed at causing massive loss of resistance. While I don't have anything against shameless promotion per se (after all, within these very brackets I'm promoting my own BBC4 show, which starts tonight at 10pm), there is something infuriating about this particular blitz. In the ads, Webb plays a Mac while Mitchell adopts the mantle of a PC. We know this because they say so right at the start of the ad.
"Hello, I'm a Mac," says Webb.
"And I'm a PC," adds Mitchell.
They then perform a small comic vignette aimed at highlighting the differences between the two computers. So in one, the PC has a "nasty virus" that makes him sneeze like a plague victim; in another, he keeps freezing up and having to reboot. This is a subtle way of saying PCs are unreliable. Mitchell, incidentally, is wearing a nerdy, conservative suit throughout, while Webb is dressed in laid-back contemporary casual wear. This is a subtle way of saying Macs are cool.
The ads are adapted from a near-identical American campaign - the only difference is the use of Mitchell and Webb. They are a logical choice in one sense (everyone likes them), but a curious choice in another, since they are best known for the television series Peep Show - probably the best sitcom of the past five years - in which Mitchell plays a repressed, neurotic underdog, and Webb plays a selfish, self-regarding poseur. So when you see the ads, you think, "PCs are a bit rubbish yet ultimately lovable, whereas Macs are just smug, preening tossers." In other words, it is a devastatingly accurate campaign.
I hate Macs. I have always hated Macs. I hate people who use Macs. I even hate people who don't use Macs but sometimes wish they did. Macs are glorified Fisher-Price activity centres for adults; computers for scaredy cats too nervous to learn how proper computers work; computers for people who earnestly believe in feng shui.
PCs are the ramshackle computers of the people. You can build your own from scratch, then customise it into oblivion. Sometimes you have to slap it to make it work properly, just like the Tardis (Doctor Who, incidentally, would definitely use a PC). PCs have charm; Macs ooze pretension. When I sit down to use a Mac, the first thing I think is, "I hate Macs", and then I think, "Why has this rubbish aspirational ornament only got one mouse button?" Losing that second mouse button feels like losing a limb. If the ads were really honest, Webb would be standing there with one arm, struggling to open a packet of peanuts while Mitchell effortlessly tore his apart with both hands. But then, if the ads were really honest, Webb would be dressed in unbelievably po-faced avant-garde clothing with a gigantic glowing apple on his back. And instead of conducting a proper conversation, he would be repeatedly congratulating himself for looking so cool, and banging on about how he was going to use his new laptop to write a novel, without ever getting round to doing it, like a mediocre idiot.
Cue 10 years of nasal bleating from Mac-likers who profess to like Macs not because they are fashionable, but because "they are just better". Mac owners often sneer that kind of defence back at you when you mock their silly, posturing contraptions, because in doing so, you have inadvertently put your finger on the dark fear haunting their feeble, quivering soul - that in some sense, they are a superficial semi-person assembled from packaging; an infinitely sad, second-rate replicant who doesn't really know what they are doing here, but feels vaguely significant and creative each time they gaze at their sleek designer machine. And the more deftly constructed and wittily argued their defence, the more terrified and wounded they secretly are.
Aside from crowing about sartorial differences, the adverts also make a big deal about PCs being associated with "work stuff" (Boo! Offices! Boo!), as opposed to Macs, which are apparently better at "fun stuff". How insecure is that? And how inaccurate? Better at "fun stuff", my arse. The only way to have fun with a Mac is to poke its insufferable owner in the eye. For proof, stroll into any decent games shop and cast your eye over the exhaustive range of cutting-edge computer games available exclusively for the PC, then compare that with the sort of rubbish you get on the Mac. Myst, the most pompous and boring videogame of all time, a plodding, dismal "adventure" in which you wandered around solving tedious puzzles in a rubbish magic kingdom apparently modelled on pretentious album covers, originated on the Mac in 1993. That same year, the first shoot-'em-up game, Doom, was released on the PC. This tells you all you will ever need to know about the Mac's relationship with "fun".
Ultimately the campaign's biggest flaw is that it perpetuates the notion that consumers somehow "define themselves" with the technology they choose. If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. Of course, that hasn't stopped me slagging off Mac owners, with a series of sweeping generalisations, for the past 900 words, but that is what the ads do to PCs. Besides, that's what we PC owners are like - unreliable, idiosyncratic and gleefully unfair. And if you'll excuse me now, I feel an unexpected crash coming.

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Posted: 12th Feb 2007 12:46
Quote: "The only way to have fun with a Mac is to poke its insufferable owner in the eye. "


Funny - good sig material.


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Posted: 12th Feb 2007 17:41
Quote: "The only way to have fun with a Mac is to poke its insufferable owner in the eye."

Well thats a broad and sweeping statement if even I heard one! I know just as many (if not more) insufferably PC owners than Mac owners (but that might be a proportional thing as PC owners tend to outnumber mac owners by abuot 10:1)

Quote: "But if your work goes beyond MS Office (oh, that's a microsoft product) then what'll you do?"

You've clearly never used a Mac for work have you... Bear in mind that MS have released office for Mac and the next version (2008) will have Mac-only features.. (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/jan07/01-09MacworldPR.mspx)

In terms of what I use my Mac Book Pro for - web development and design - I find the OSX environment infinitely more productive than I find the Windows XP environment (NOTE: The OS distinction - the machine itself makes bugger all difference). Maybe this is just my opinion. Maybe I'm biased?! Who knows... What cares?! I like my Mac Book Pro, and I like my PC. I see that as two unique tools. Yeah they can both do the same job - but each does some jobs better than the other (at least for me).

Its kind of like comparing a Ferrari and a Tractor. They'll both drive down the road, but the Ferrari will be quicker. The Tractor will be useful to tow it out the hedge when they crash though


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Posted: 12th Feb 2007 18:16
Quote: "10:1"


More like 20:1
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Posted: 12th Feb 2007 21:33
@Chris - Brilliant! These are my favourite parts:

Quote: "computers for people who earnestly believe in feng shui."


Hilarious!

Quote: "Myst, the most pompous and boring videogame of all time, a plodding, dismal "adventure" in which you wandered around solving tedious puzzles in a rubbish magic kingdom apparently modelled on pretentious album covers, originated on the Mac in 1993. That same year, the first shoot-'em-up game, Doom, was released on the PC. This tells you all you will ever need to know about the Mac's relationship with "fun"."


So true. That article couldn't be more true, especially the part where people who buy devices to define their personality, in fact don't have a personality but a mental illness. Agreed (because I know a few people who buy Apple machines just to show other people how unique and hip they are). Sad really.

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been using a 3 button mouse on apples since the late 80's.
classic ignorance portrayed in a comic.

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Chris K., that is the funnies tiraid I've seen in a while!!! Bravo! I wonder if Apple is doing over there what they were trying here in the US in the early 90's. Back then, I couldn't stand to get within 10 feet of a Mac user.

Here's an example:
In 91, I was in a very good audio recording school Florida listening to an introductory lecture titled "the business of living". The teacher, a british chick by the way, asked "How many of you recently bought a pc?" "Come on, don't be shy. Stand up." Of the 60 people in the room, I was one of 3 people who stood up. She took aim and blurted out,"well you've just waisted your money." She went on to "teach" how the Apple Macintosh was the only computer of any real use...

I was greatly relieved to find out when the main course came along, SHE was long gone. I never did get to tell her to go efff herself.

I though all that bitchy snobbery was finally gone when Gates paid to keep Apple afloat so as to have at least one compettitor...

I find the american versions of those commercials funny but almost always totally incorrect. The one where the PC keeps freezing has got to be the biggest lie. What? macs never lock up? Macs never crash? I swear as a user of OSX, not a beta tester mind you, not an early adopter, no I switched over about 2 1/2 years after OSX (the savior) was released. I persoanlly experienced well over 100 program crashes in about a year. I still know of a bug in final cut pro that will crash the app and the bug has survived 3 major revisions to the app. Yikes! Come on people, am I the only person to edit after midnight? Fix the autosave already!

What arrogance to call it OSX anyway! Just because it came after OS 9? It wasn't a continuation of the product line! It was something else entirely. If they had been honest, they would have called it something like OSLinux .0001(beta)

The ONLY reason why I bought a Mac was because at the time, the PC had no alternative to DVD Studio Pro. DVD SP was the first low priced app to give you creative control of all the features of the dvd spec. Literally there was nothing you could find on a hollywood DVD that I couldn't do in DVD SP 1.1.

I've also become hopelessly addicted to Final Cut Pro. I think what got me was easy compositing and keyframing on everything. My name is Rob and i mac.
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Posted: 13th Feb 2007 04:19
Quote: "been using a 3 button mouse on apples since the late 80's.
classic ignorance portrayed in a comic."


Then you're a rare breed. I still see Macs in the shops, and all the Macs in my old art school still have just one-button mice. Plus the mouse seemed like it was built for a little girl

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I remember they tried to make us use one button mice for maya at maya boot camp. (where we were forced to use macs) Luckily I was prepared and brought my trusty wireless one

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i cant see them only hear them

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Quote: "I still know of a bug in final cut pro that will crash the app and the bug has survived 3 major revisions to the app. Yikes! Come on people, am I the only person to edit after midnight? Fix the autosave already!"
care to share that one so i can test it on FCP 5.

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Quote: "What arrogance to call it OSX anyway! Just because it came after OS 9? It wasn't a continuation of the product line! It was something else entirely. If they had been honest, they would have called it something like OSLinux .0001(beta)
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What's arrogant about that? MacOS X is the 10th Apple Mac Operation system, X is a Roman numeral for 10, so I don't get your point there, its a sensible name, its an operating system they could MacOS and its the 10th in one in their product line (Not upgrade like 9.5 over something)

OSLinux 0001(Beta)? How is that honest and accurate, MacOS isn't Linux, like Linux it's a unix based OS and not Linux itself. And what's with the 0001(Beta) its long passed beta, and has more than one version/upgrade released already. I see no honesty there in calling it that.

Sounds like you have a grudge with apple. It's not good to have a grudge, it makes you narrow minded, I used to have one with Microsoft, in actual fact Microsoft actually are good company, except the odd annoyance.

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Quote: "I used to have one with Microsoft, in actual fact Microsoft actually are good company"

They are indeed, it's just that they have a habit of catering to really stupid people.

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OS X, is like XP, basically stable. There are a few times it has crashed and taken out the whole computer (resuming from standby and trying to commence a download of a game) was the main one - the other was trying to run a OS 9 game...

The main thing I have found is that there a few small things that tend to happen after a program has finished, and then only occasionally : Yesterday, for example, after using Parallels, Grab decided that it was snowing on my desktop - and would only return a screen dump of a totally white screen... After resetting the computer, all was fine...

Aside from these odd things (which will hopefully be sorted in 10.5), OS X is great - quick to boot and shutdown. Resume from standby works. And the games are good to, even if they do take a while to get converted (although that may be sped up in the future).

The only downside is I've spent more time playing games that programming since I've got it I'm looking at getting C4, seeing as there will be no 3D version of BlitzMax (and both BM and PureBasic dont seem to be going anywhere).

By the way, check out my (very) lo-res films of mac-orientated stuff (by me), on Youtube

I do like the adverts, especially the UK ones...

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In all fairness - the reasons it crashed when it did for you wasn't really OSX's fault... It was more an application (3rd party too) which crashed. Fair enough - the OS should handle such crashed and deal with them - but Windows is no better than OSX at that, possibly even slightly worse.

I've always loved the ways windows will crash and reboot, then proudly display a message telling you how lucky you are that this wonderful machine has "recovered from a serious error". I hardly call something not too far from a hard reset a recovery... Its like saying:
Quote: "Nice recovery from tripping on that bump in the pavement - I really like the way you collapsed and knocked yourself unconscious for a few minutes"


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is it worth getting a mac only because of its security?

mac might be secure but i bet it has its own drm and spyware in it

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Quote: "i bet it has its own drm and spyware in it"

I wouldn't make a bet like that without knowing

Here is a little boolean logic for you:
DRM != 'Security'
DRM == 'A way for companies to make more money'

Mac is inherantly more secure than windows (at least WinXP) due to its Unix base. As I understand it - the way the processes are run and owned by users effects it?! Not entirely sure really...

One thing I cant wait for Apple to do is learn how to release incremental patches. I hate every update being a hundred meg! "Oh they've updated iTunes from 7.0.0 to 7.0.1... Now i must download 60Mb!"

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Quote: ""Oh they've updated iTunes from 7.0.0 to 7.0.1... Now i must download 60Mb!""


That's why I wait for the bigger updates.

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Quote: "In all fairness - the reasons it crashed when it did for you wasn't really OSX's fault... It was more an application (3rd party too) which crashed."

I've no doubt it was Safari that caused the problem

Quote: "One thing I cant wait for Apple to do is learn how to release incremental patches. I hate every update being a hundred meg!"

Its better that Microsoft's continual output of updates. But then I do have ADSL

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Quote: "Its better that Microsoft's continual output of updates."

At least with Microsoft - they release lots of small updates regularly. If something goes wrong with Media Player and it needs a security patch - then that's what it gets - a security PATCH. They fix the error. Apple, on the other hand, will make you download an reinstall the entire application - just to fix a minor bug.

Quote: "That's why I wait for the bigger updates."

And that's the exact attitude that hackers love...

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But then you wouldn't find that many people trying to hack OS X.

No doubt Apple could release things quicker, but they probably feel their isn't a need.

Dont forget that in OS X most programs have all their library code and whatnot appended to the executable, so you cant really just patch a file, especially if its a Universal one.

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Quote: "And that's the exact attitude that hackers love..."


I only do that with the programs, like i-tunes that have big updates anyway, I keep my AV, Installers, Windows up to date on request.

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there is a crash reporter in apples OSX, open it up one day and find out what is crashing your mac.

is there something akin to windows or do i just rely on the restart?

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There is a Events Log under Admin Tools in WinXP - but i've never found it particularly useful.

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Just saw the new one picking on Vista with the whole Allow/deny thing. A bit over the top I think.

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Hobgoblin - where is that? I cant see it on the UK site.

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Posted: 18th Feb 2007 12:41
Its US one only - it really takes the mickey out of Vista - it certainly was that bad with the beta, but whether it still is, I dont know.

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Posted: 18th Feb 2007 18:11
Not sure if it is on a site yet, saw it on TV.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2007 04:44
That one with the allow deny, is I think a little bit to harsh!

The way I see Apple letting you run Windows on their Macs as well as OS X is great for them and Windows. Apple need to sell their computers as well as the OS this way they sell both, plus Microsoft get to sell Vista, and since they don't have any hardware to sell, it works out great for them as-well! If you think about it more people use Windows then Mac. Gamers number one. But lots of people would love to have OS X as well as Windows. Look at me I love the fact of not many Viruses but I also love DBP and gaming which can't be done on a MAC. So this way I get both!
Thats just the way I see it!


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Posted: 19th Feb 2007 10:41
Quote: "Look at me I love the fact of not many Viruses but I also love DBP and gaming which can't be done on a MAC."


DBP and Games are pretty much the only reason I still use Windows. Apart from that, I personally find OSX a much more natural interface.

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