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Geek Culture / [LOCKED] A religious poll

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Mr Tank
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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 01:41
Athiest. UK.

I find the flying spaghetti monster religion quite appealing, and i try to be piratey, but if i'm honest he probably doesn't exist. My opinion obviously. If this breaks the TOSS then mod please edit.

On a serious note, it should be "Jewish" rather than "Jew", because a person who is descended from someone else that was defined as a Jew is also by some definition a Jew, regardless of their religious affiliation or beliefs, hence you can have Athiest Jews and stuff.

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n008
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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 01:42
Edited.

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 01:47
Christian, born again and non-denominational. Christian to keep it simple.

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Quote: "NOTE: If you want your "Religion/Philosophies" that seem to be made up either just now or within this decade that do not have any writings, i suggest you get something to base it off of. In writing

I might consider becoming an AeroKin. Seeing as everyone wants to make their own religion "

Without turning this into a debate; there is no proof of which (if any) religion is the "right one", so you cannot judge what is a false religion, you just have to base it on how many people believe in that religion (or at least that's what governments do). Jedi has become the UK's 4th largest religion, I don't know whether there is actually any organisation or practices for the religion but merely through enough people saying it is a religion it has to be recognised as one. That's the way democracy works.

Is that a fair statement to make?

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 02:02
Crap dude, I'm a Rockist without even knowing about it. The only thing I didn't like was the 6th commendment, hunters are good. Of course, the registered, nature loving ones.


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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 02:15
Well, every time you go hunting, you just have to play video games and repent, lol.

Oh, and due to a conversation I just had on YIM with Agent Dink, I'm officially stating that all soft drinks are allowed, not just coca cola... although coca cola is "holier" still than any other softdrink . I think I can change that, hehe.

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 02:19
Wow this new Rockism religion is starting to sound more and more appealing the more I hear about it.
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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 02:20
It's not new, it's been around for years now. It's just new to you, lol.

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Matt Rock, where does greasy pizza fit in rockism?


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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 02:32
All pizza is holy food to us. Even weird designer pizza and run-down dried-out pizza. Heck, you can make some pizza bread and it's holy to us . As long as someone somewhere is willing to claim it's pizza, then it works.

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 02:52
Had I not required evidence of the God's existance, I would've become a Rockist myself.

@Matt Rock: So, I guess you're the High Priest, or Pope, or something, eh? You should put up a wiki, hehe!
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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 03:03
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n008
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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 03:19 Edited at: 26th Nov 2007 03:19
I am officially Jedi - Atheist.

Aka Sith.



I believe in the force.

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 03:26
I guess I'm the Pope. I like how that sounds. I'm totally not wearing any hats though. I can't make a Wiki, it'd be too biased lol.

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How long do you guys think it will take for this thread to get locked?
Just asking (friendlily)

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 03:46
Everyone is being respectful of each other and no one is debating religion, I don't see any reason for this thread to get locked. So long as everyone stays cool and keeps behaving. At this point, three pages into the conversation, I'd assume a mod would dish out a pretty meaty noob slap to anyone who set out to get it locked. Hopefully everyone will keep on like this .

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 03:53
I don't think this thread will be locked soon, aluseus. No one is arguing or flaming. I would like to ask the rockists to take their conv. somewhere else, however, because some people may take offense to it. (Because people get like that).

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 04:00
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Christian - Catholic
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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 07:18
Neutral....in other words don't care haha. There might be a God and there might not be one....either way...meh.

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 08:17 Edited at: 27th Nov 2007 21:49
Quote: "either way...meh."


Edited out post because some people can't be bothered to actually read what I'm saying without taking up arms. Meh.

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 09:38
I'm an Anglican Christian from England!

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 09:42
Atheist (with Rockist practices

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Quote: "but just hear me out. How can some people just not care one way or the other?"


You shouldn't really question peoples motives for not wanting to actively search for religion for the same reason you shouldn't say that their religion is the wrong one because at the end of the day its their decision and not yours to make.

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 09:55
Christian (RC) UK.

Good to see that nobody (yet) has made this thread lockable )

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 10:17
Quote: "Atheist: 40%
Christian: ~35%
Agnostic: ~11%
Buddhist: ~4%
Rockist: ~4%
Satanist: ~2%
Jew: ~2%
Mulsim: ~2%
Jedi: ~2%"

So counting Agnostic as non-religious (unless God turns up on a flaming chariot on my balcony this afternoon) then over half the people who voted here are not religious. And thats not even counting Jedi (argue it as much as you want if it's a religion or not).

No-one a scientoligist then?

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Osiris, I think that makes you Agnostic

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I think it is wrong to say Agnostics are non-religious. Most agnostics are people who live by a 'see to believe'-ethos, yet believe (or want to believe) in a higher presence. The blanks in agnostics are quite individual to fill in.

And if you do that, the religious people are in the majority. So I'd say stuff is pretty even. Good, I like balanced forums .

PS. Could you correct the word muslim (mulsim looks a bit odd, don't you think?).


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Quote: "How can some people just not care one way or the other?"

I don't care one way or the other.

I guess I'm Agnostic (but not according to tha_rami), and my location is the Moon ... but I do visit the UK on occasions.

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Quote: "Most agnostics are people who live by a 'see to believe'-ethos, yet believe (or want to believe) in a higher presence"
Hmmm. I dunno. Most I've met are of the "not a chance really mate, but you never really 100% know eh?" type attitude. Personally I prefer this to Aethism as as far as I'm concerned I don't really care (instead of having to totally believe or totally not believe... too much effort), while most Aethists I've met seem more religious than religious people. Real religious fervour (sp?) type attitude. It's like calm down dude. While I hate religion being rammed down my neck, I also hate the opposite. It's like yeah yeah whatever, go drink some beer you will feel better...

Quote: "And if you do that, the religious people are in the majority"
Don't come to the UK then. Terminal decline basically. Come to Cyprus instead. Totally dripping in religion here BTW. Incidentally crime is amazingly low here (people leave their cars running when going into a store). I know thats a simple comparison (USA is hardly crime free and makes the UK look like 100% athiests) but still. See being Agnostic means I'm not foaming about the mouth about that Heheh...

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 15:12 Edited at: 26th Nov 2007 15:38
Quote: "How can some people just not care one way or the other? It very well could be the most important "search" of your life, and to just pass it off as meh? I can't imagine anything lazier"

I don't care particularly. If it's proven to me that there is a God of some sort, I'll worship it, else I don't really care (faith isn't enough for me). I guess you could say I'm agnostic in that case though.

Quote: "while most Aethists I've met seem more religious than religious people. Real religious fervour (sp?) type attitude. It's like calm down dude."

This is so true.

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Posted: 26th Nov 2007 16:01
Quote: "I am officially Jedi - Atheist.

Aka Sith.

I believe in the force.

*Off to practice*"


Sith are not Atheist.
One thing to note about the Jedi Religion, while it has no deities of it's own per'say; each Jedi is free to follow and worship any they choose to, provided it doesn't conflict with the teachings of the Jedi Caste you are part of.

I think that Jedi (from either of the main three Caste, Knight/Sith/Forge) generally speaking are quite open.
While the Knights and Sith, have very strict guidelines... there is still tollerance between them to other belief systems.

Something interesting, is both light and dark sides have their own accounts on history. Also have similar perhaps fictional characters, as those that can be found within the Qu'ran, Bible and Torah.

In indeed similar events.
One of the key components of the Jedi religion is in-fact being able at "hotspots" to be able to communicate with spirits that have caste away their bodies.

While it is a fictional story where Exar Kun was hunted down and killed by the Knights due to his search for the Valley of the Jedi, a mythical place in Jedi history said to be the birthplace of life in the galaxy (similar to the Cradle of Life myth) he died upon a large temple on Yavin 4.

Now after this, the planet was said to be cursed by death and abandoned. A number of years later Jedi Knight students came to investigate the mysterious ruins.. at the top of the Massai temple Kun gave one of the student the new laws that were to goven the Sith from then on.

What is curious is that each time the Sith had such and event in their history, a similar event appears in Knight history causing very similar changes. Though more often they attributed this to enlightenment.

Now obviously those are ficticious stories created over the years for the teachings; but from a number of different writers, who don't have any connection some with books there were written at the same time showing similar plot-lines.. further more plotlines that are echoing in a more modern fashion those that happen in the major religions holy books.

Perhaps it could be me looking too deeply into this, but you can call it "The Force", "The Divine Spirit", or whatever... but there was something that rather than showing us what we have to do, guiding us through stories. Sometimes trying to explain history that is unexplainable without being there.

I have deep seeded beliefs in Christianity, however my views on the religion as a whole haven't exactly gone down well.
For example Revelations, seems to be a movie trailer for the rest of the book; with main events being over hyped and details that end up getting lost on the cutting room floow.

There's considerable question that the Celestial battle between god and his angels... well quite frankly why were they fighting?
The mis-translated bible, it notes that the evil one wished the earth for himself; however earlier in the bible you find that actually god has entrusted earth to him. He had no reason to fight for it, unless there was something else... something removed from the story.

And I've come to understand recently that not only does most of the bible accurately give details of history; but that the bulk of it, with the exception of Genesis is actually fairly modern history (no more than 3,500years in the past) with details we can trace back to actual world events from other more official documentation.

We can start to peice together how the real history played out compared to history and see that while we might not have found it as amazing as they did; we have to remember these weren't technologically advanced... in-fact if we went back in time and used a gun during the roman period we probably would've been seen as great magicians vengeful and working for god. As they would have no other plausable explaination.

What I'm trying to say really, is don't just a faith based on your own pre-context of it. There is quite a bit more deep seeded intrigue to each one than you might imagine.

In my eyes each religion is just too close in the details to really be very different. While on the surface they wildly change, and each one also seems to have a different meaning to any. It's actually the intollerance, which all of them say is wrong; is what causes so much stife.

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I class myself as atheist, although the description of agnostic comes pretty close.

Also, I live in Ireland, but have a Dutch passport, so take your pick

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Ignostic (not a mispelling of agnostic just so you know).

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Kenatree, I have a Dutch passport, but the tourist weren't too best please when I stole it from him, but it was a funny idea at the time...

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I didn't know what an agnostic was, now I do it turns out I'm agnostic and from England.

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^Haha, nice. You actually cared so little you didn't even know what you were.

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Quote: "Some poeple just don't take a joke. Like that time i shot somebody in the face with a soft-gun. "


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Quote: "Some poeple just don't take a joke. Like that time i shot somebody in the face with a soft-gun."

@Grandma: You too? Haha, I did that to a guy I went to class with. (However, I wasn't aiming at his face, but his belly. The soft gun wasn't really precise, we found out. :p)
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Quote: "Also, I live in Ireland, but have a Dutch passport, so take your pick "

Oh? How come?


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I started a debate on religion on another forum and it raised quite a stink, a war of words and pictures between believers and non-believers, it got to around 200 messages in around 4 days. I won't say why I started the debate as it could get this thread locked.

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^Why did you bring this up to our attention?

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Just so everyone is aware that even the slightest suggestion of religion (apart from poll-taking) can cause huge problems. But I'm sure everyone knew that already and everyone is being sensible. Starting any subject about religion is going to be walking on wafer-thin ice, but polls are OK (if that makes sense!) (I'm just in from work and trying to make sense of a shader for DBP, so forgive me for babbling if I am!)

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Agnostic, UK

although Rockism does sound quite tempting. Mostly because I just liked the 5-man march idea though.

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Quote: "Just so everyone is aware that even the slightest suggestion of religion (apart from poll-taking) can cause huge problems."


Oh i'm sure most are aware of that.

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@Sonic 91 Software, wow, you had no reason to post any of that execpt to bring attention to yourself. I'm sorry, but if you want a thread about you, make your own thread.

Edit: I understand you ddn't really mean it that way, so just stop posting about it. There's a high chance you've just started this thread on the road to getting locked, because you didn't take the time to realize this thread hasn't gone in that direction in all these pages. I'm going to be pretty mad if it does get locked because of events triggered by this.


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Brought up protestant
agnostic in my teens
now a fully fledged atheist from Scotland.


IMO Douglas Adams summed it up perfectly -
' Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? '

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Quote: "' Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? '"


Where'd he say that? Awesome quote, but I don't remember it from any of the 5 Hitchhiker books.


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