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tha_rami
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Posted: 19th Dec 2007 02:25
You're doing some strange reasoning, Jeku. The Wii is revolutionary -> see sales. The content might not always be and indeed: there's some mayor crap on it as well.

The N-gage was quite good, I thought. Pathway to Glory, Tony Hawk and Tomb Raider were awesome.


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Posted: 19th Dec 2007 16:30
I'd find it amusing if there were a Wii-Knitting game...Actually Jeku, I'd talk to your supervisor if I were you - you might make a bundle from that idea...

I have nothing against consoles including older people into their sales - though I doubt your description of 'knitting' would be accurate, my Nan would enjoy an alcohol simulator over a Knitting one. As far as games go, the Wii looks like it hasn't done badly - games for kids, teens and adults. I'm right in assuming the Wii isn't for Jeku, but I think Nintendo have succeeded with their console and made an emphasis on some more arcade style game play.

Of course I don't think the control system is necessary for all games - playing The Simpsons game I found for the most part I'm just playing it like a normal video game - only certain moments required the motion sensors - like the Bite Night mini game and make Homer throttle or bounce. But things like Resi Evil - Umbrella Chronicles benefit from the WiiMote and Nunchuk.

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Posted: 19th Dec 2007 17:29
Quote: "But things like Resi Evil - Umbrella Chronicles benefit from the WiiMote and Nunchuk."


But light gun games have been around for a loooong time. Most systems have a light gun peripheral, but I guess the Wii's is built right in eh.

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Posted: 19th Dec 2007 17:45
There are similarities - but it has better features and can simulate more things than just a gun. Yes the arcade style gaming isn't new on consoles, but I think the creation of the Wii plays an emphasis on it and if you like popularises it again and adds more to it with newer control technology. If you prefer playing games with a fancy controller that's based on arcade games, great, if you prefer upgraded hardware that delivers high quality graphics and fast processor speeds meaning the game has room for more realistic visuals and better quality physics than before that enhance playing games in a different way then that's great.

I like both to be honest.

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Posted: 19th Dec 2007 18:03 Edited at: 19th Dec 2007 18:04
Quote: "Hello, Wii Play is still on the top sellers list. Revolutionary? No."


Hello, is it a fun game? Yes. Hence the point of a game. It creates a thing called 'fun'

Quote: "I'm one of those people who don't want to see half a dozen bowling, shuffleboard and darts games on my game console. Coming soon--- Wii-Knitting with free cross stitch mini-game"


Reason being what exactly? People who likes genres beyond what is considered 'hardcore' aren't 'allowed' to use consoles or something?

Once again, the point is that games are fun. I don't give a flying crap about the content of a game/what it deals with. If it's fun, I'll give it a go.


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Posted: 19th Dec 2007 19:20
David R said it so well.

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Posted: 19th Dec 2007 21:40 Edited at: 19th Dec 2007 21:41
Quote: "Hello, is it a fun game? Yes. Hence the point of a game. It creates a thing called 'fun'"


Alright, crossed the line of a friendly debate. Have fun with that attitude, but there's no point in sticking around just to be belittled.

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Posted: 19th Dec 2007 21:45 Edited at: 19th Dec 2007 21:45
Quote: "Alright, crossed the line of a friendly debate. Have fun with that attitude, but there's no point in sticking around just to be belittled."


I wasn't intending to belittle you - what I meant is that the reason it has sold is because it's a game - people like it, it's fun, and they buy it. I could understand your point if it were the "Revolutionary" list or something, but comparing revolutionary controls and which game is at the top of the sales list makes no sense to this end.


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Posted: 19th Dec 2007 22:15
I agree with Jeku to some extent. At the moment there aren't exactly any revolutionary uses of the controller (although a more advanced version for Wii Sports would be awesome) however I think they are nice for a change.

As for crap games, after watching video clips for EA Playground I wasn't too impressed (mind you it was made by EA, so let's not fret about that ).

Quote: "Hello, is it a fun game? Yes. Hence the point of a game. It creates a thing called 'fun'"

What is this 'fun' you speak of? Does it come with batteries?

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Posted: 19th Dec 2007 22:57
You can't really get more advanced than what Wii Sports is doing. You have X, Y and Z accelerometer values that max out easily and the positions of eight(?) infrared hotspots. What more are you expecting?


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 19th Dec 2007 23:37
Quote: "I agree with Jeku to some extent. At the moment there aren't exactly any revolutionary uses of the controller (although a more advanced version for Wii Sports would be awesome) however I think they are nice for a change."


Whether or not it's revolutionary doesn't matter, it's a decent console with something that's different to the other 'new' alternatives. It's different and it has better controller technology that add to the gameplay - some think it's enough to merit that label. Playing motion sensor technology is something new in a game and it's possible to say it's a new thing in game playing that the Wii is responsible for. Me, I don't care what you wanna call it, it's doesn't change how the console is played - I just use the label it's given.

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Posted: 19th Dec 2007 23:44
Is the new trend in gaming not showing us that people are fairly sick of conventional joypad games.

Look at the success of Guitar Hero, the Wii, that quiz game with the 4 controllers, Sony's wide range of unusual peripherals.

It's been a while since I saw a joypad that intruiged me, now a guitar controller, or a nunchuck, that just makes me want to play. I love retro gaming, but isn't retro about recreating the feelings we once had, that excitement we felt decades ago when we got Light guns, or those arcade machines that you sit in, the handlebars on Paper Boy, the dual joystick tank game Assault (freakin loved that),jumpers for goalposts. We can't recreate this without expanding on control systems, we sure as hell can't do very much with a 360 controller. We need lightguns but better, we need to get into games more than can with a joypad or keyboard. If the Wii let's me feel more like I'm shooting a zombie in the face, then it's earned it's price tag.

When there is actually a real zombie invasion for us to try to survive, I don't imagine my thumbs will get a look in (unless we're talking 28-days later style, bleh!).

Jeku, don't you find it ironic, that the company that pretty much created joypad gaming is standing there, with it's little nunchuck and wiimote, right inbetween Sony and M$ with their so bloody familiar joypads. Give it time, the Wii is gonna get some games that would only work with their cookie control scheme, games that should not be considered for other platforms because restricting them to joypads would just be cruel. Personally I'm looking forward to some fresh ideas - I can see why that would be a problem for you working at EA (Soz, no offence!).


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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 00:02
Totally agree and very well put.

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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 00:06
Quote: "after watching video clips for EA Playground I wasn't too impressed"


Well, my friends made that game in my building, so I have a soft spot for that one. Never played it though, as it's geared for kids 6-12

Quote: "You have X, Y and Z accelerometer values that max"


X Y Z just for when you're using the pointer on the screen. Otherwise all of the gestures, the swings, etc. *only* give off differences in acceleration for the 3 axis'. It's incredibly complicated to have anything remotely like you'd expect in real life, so I definitely commend some of the developers for making an effort.

Quote: "Personally I'm looking forward to some fresh ideas - I can see why that would be a problem for you working at EA (Soz, no offence!)."


Hehe, well as always I can't say anything about what we're doing, but I am always surprised by the originality of some of the ideas here.

But I know I'm not alone in this. I've read countless reviews of people saying sometimes they wished they could just pick up a 360 controller and use it on the Wii. It's one of those "I'm just sayin'" things. Just to put it out there

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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 00:19
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But I know I'm not alone in this. I've read countless reviews of people saying sometimes they wished they could just pick up a 360 controller and use it on the Wii. It's one of those "I'm just sayin'" things. Just to put it out there"


To be fair I'm sure that's true for some games, I didn't see a huge purpose for the controller with the Simpsons - but of course that's down to the game developers and the fact it's made for other platforms - of course I'll pick up Zelda and see if I think the same thing.

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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 00:29
Grats on getting one, very fun to play no?

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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 13:48
Yeah, seems people are recommending the same titles, I hope you don't find it offensive, Zombie, that I play Resident Evil?

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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 13:54
Is there any word on a Pikmin game for the Wii?

I think that would be pretty huge, given the user base of the Wii I think it could be a big hit, same goes for a DS version but I can just imagine throwing the little carrot dudes around with the wiimote.


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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 19:20
I read something interesting the other day. It suggested that the new demographic of casual gamers will drive out proven genres. Core gamers will have no choice but to play solitaire on the wii with their grandma. As developers continue to be lured in by the wii's low production cost, they will start focusing on casual games. In the bigger scope of things, this will mean that games like Gears of War, BioShock, Oblivion and Forza Motorsport will be sacraficed, to be replaced with bowling simulations and Rayman Raving Rabbids 9.

I wholeheartedly agree with Jeku. The wii offers no revolutionary controls. It does have the potential to, but apart from the emerging FPS control scheme, it doesn't offer anything truly amazing. Frankly, I prefer the clever ergonomics of a 360 controller to a stick you wave at the screen to whack a ball.

Also, the wii has a whole catalogue of crap. Metroid and Mario stand out as two brilliant games that appeal to core gamers and casual gamers. Then we have all the minigame compilations. I don't want a console to play mini-games on. I want something that offers more than five minute time-wasters. I want a game that makes me feel something. I want a game that delivers a true experience. BioShock is a revolutionary game. Wii sports is a time waster.

There is a common misconception that the 360 and PS3 have amazing graphics, therefore they're all about graphical grunt and not gameplay. The 360 has seen hit after hit with good graphics and great gameplay in 2007 alone. The wii has about three games. I hate this little scapegoat that Nintendo's created. They'll say: "Graphics? Who cares? We have crap graphics, so you know the gameplay will be brilliant. It's what the casual gamers want to here, so Nintendo has implanted this into their heads.

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Sarcasm? No. Nintendo said that themselves, when asked about the competition (360,PS3) I don't see how anything I said can be considered as sarcasm.

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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 19:30
Quote: "They'll say: "Graphics? Who cares? We have crap graphics, so you know the gameplay will be brilliant. It's what the casual gamers want to here, so Nintendo has implanted this into their heads."


Or maybe, it's because the industry is so full to the brim of superficial high-graphics poor-gameplay piles of turd, that this is a welcome breath of fresh air.

Quote: "The Wii's stuck in the past. Regardless of graphics, gaming is becoming an art form, yet the Wii holds this back with its design ethos: "we just want to make games that are fun."


The main reason everyone assumed this was sarcasm, was because it makes no sense. The Wii is holding back games as an art form by concentrating on a low spec machine and a new control scheme? How does that make sense? Making fun games is now the antithesis of games? What the heck are you smoking?

(+ You fail to clarify whether you're talking game development or the actual process of gaming itself)


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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 19:33
Put it this way. Gaming is getting up there with film, TV and literature and when it does, no-one will be thanking the wii for it.

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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 19:34
I can't see how they'd be sacrificed, there's a huge amount of money in those sort of games. All that's being done is console gaming is more open to casual gamers - yeah it's cheaper to make, but enough people play things like Gears of War that people will make them.

Game makers create what will sell - just because gamers like the Wii doesn't mean game makers will move towards the one market. I think it's the gaming industry is expanded rather than moving.

As for the arcade style games, it was FPS games and action games that replaced the old arcade style games, and well if they want to work side by side then good.

I play all games that entertain me like most gamers - I would be disappointed if 'fun' games as they were called to die out as much as I'd be disappointed if the action and 'cool' games like Half Life die out too - I don't think the Wii threatens it at all.

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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 19:36
Quote: "Put it this way. Gaming is getting up there with film, TV and literature and when it does, no-one will be thanking the wii for it."


Are you turning this into some kind of bizarre class/culture related thing? As in, the 'hardcore' games being the upper/higher, and the casual games being lower than them?

What you're saying is comparable to saying that music as an art form will not thank anyone/anything that is present in popular culture. And that is another flawed statement in itself


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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 19:44
@ David R
That's not what I'm saying. But gaming was never an art form until it treated itself like an art form. Little mini-games with the sole purpose of being 'fun' don't contribute to video game sbeing taken seriously. Gaming is growing up and everyone else is only just starting to see that. Gaming should be an experience, not just a little bit of fun. We don't listen to music because it's 'fun'. Nor do we read because it's 'fun'. We do these things because they make us feel something. They enrich our lives, regardless of whether or not we realise it. Games can do this, but not if they're limited to wii sports and solitaire.

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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 19:50 Edited at: 20th Dec 2007 19:54
Quote: "Gaming should be an experience, not just a little bit of fun. We don't listen to music because it's 'fun'. Nor do we read because it's 'fun"


They're all entertainment. You need to remember that. People don't say "I'm going to play the 360 to go feel something". They want to have fun - they want to be entertained.

Music is incomparable - it's very intangible what people actually 'get out of' music. But reading - you read to experience the story. I'm pretty certain many people do read for 'fun' - the excitement of the story etc.

i.e Everything you have said is a generalisation.

EDIT: Oh, and not forgetting the fact that all these other mediums have their fair share of 'non-progressive' works as well; for example, parody music, comedy literature etc.


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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 20:06
Point taken.

Despite everything, I completely adore the DS. Now there's a console that makes all demographics feel welcome. Casual games belong on the PC and handhelds and it works. So regardless of my feelings about the wii, I'm not completely opposed to all casual gaming.

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Quote: "We don't listen to music because it's 'fun'. Nor do we read because it's 'fun'."


I read these forums when I want to have fun. I read Heinlein when I want to be serious. I listen to Pop music and musicals when I want to have fun, and listen to Annie Gosfield when I want to be serious... (Alright, her music is fun too)

I play Bioshock to get into a great game experience, and play Wii Bowling when I'm drunk and merry!

I think you're taking things way too seriously. There's room for both in all entertainment, that includes games.


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The question is, how can you be against a console that you don't have to use? The XBox 360 and PS3 won't be any different with or without the Wii. What's wrong with a company making something to make more people happy and companies developing on it doing the same?

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Games are cheaper on the Wii, I suppose there's something wrong with that too .

We don't all want to play super-realistic FPS games, which is the only genre that the 360 seems to do, personally I love videogames, all sorts, lots of different platforms. There's space for all sorts in this industry because we are the consumers, and what we want we eventually get, be it a super realistic underwater FPS or a game where you have to balance a maggot on a stick. Publishers will make whatever games we want to play, I want to play whatever games I'm in the mood for, not just the 90% of crap that is available on the 360.

I have probably 100 XBox games, and you know that my 3 all time favourite games are on the GameCube - I expect a repeat of that with the new consoles. In fact it's fairly similar already, keeping Sony's offering at arms length, buying up tons of M$ games, and keeping my eyes peeled for amazingly playable Nintendo offerings.


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Posted: 21st Dec 2007 01:08 Edited at: 21st Dec 2007 01:10
I've gotten more enjoyment with Wii games that I would with most Xbox 360 games. How many cookie cutter FPS games do we need? They're all starting to feel the same. I hate to say it as FPS is still my favorite genre, but it's getting old, fast.

How can you say PCs should be for casual gaming only Almost all of your 360 games can be bought on the PC eventually, and they only reason console games feel less fun when ported to a PC is because they aren't at the same level most PC dedicated games are. The PC while less popular for gaming (probably because you have to know more or spend more money to have proper systems) will always be the cutting edge of technology and expandability for gaming.

I feel consoles should be more for the casual games, the controls lend themselves to being better for that most of the time. I seriously don't understand how people could want to use 2 clumsy analog sticks in a shooter when you could have the responsive and precise controls of a mouse. The only reason I like the analog sticks in a shooter is for like Van B? said earlier, you can creep around corners slowly.

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Posted: 21st Dec 2007 05:59 Edited at: 21st Dec 2007 06:45
Quote: "Or maybe, it's because the industry is so full to the brim of superficial high-graphics poor-gameplay piles of turd, that this is a welcome breath of fresh air."


That is not as common as it used to be. The top AAA titles from 2007, aside from Mario, are on next-gen systems. They're high-graphics *great-gameplay* piles of roses and bunnies.

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Come to think of it, I'd rather have great looking crap games than crappy looking crap games

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I'd rather have great looking great games .

Thing is, a lot of the time graphics are best when they are understated. Take Pikmin for example, on the surface it might look quite simplistic with it's visuals, bright colours, basic textures, but then you find something that just looks incredible, like the little fellas will dig up a marble with gorgeous refraction - there's a part with a sorta drain system, with water trickling down, and it's so well done that you just know that if it was on an Xbox, they'd be using it as a selling point - I actually wanted to take a screenshot but there was no way to do that. I really don't recall any game having water as pretty as that, not on the 360, or even the PC.

I love it when graphics are secondary to actual gameplay, that's when I don't feel like a tool for spending £40 on it.


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I agree with your earlier point about a controller Jeku, I personally think the Wii should've been shipped with both the wii-mote and a controller (maybe even the classic controller) so that some developers could release some games that aren't just using motion control because it's there. I'd love to see a few more non-casual games on the Wii, even Mario kinda throws in Wiimote control as an afterthought.

Still, talks about the Wii ruining the industry is just pure ignorance, people IN the industry are praising it for widening the appeal, I think I remember reading somewhere that this year has been the best for game sales ever, partly thanks to the Wii pulling in more users that would never otherwise have picked up a game (like my father, I remember him struggling with first level in SMB1).

Also, has anyone noticed that in this "generation", more people own at least 2 of the consoles whereas a lot of people would only ever have bothered with one previously?

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The main thing that worries me about the Wii is that it doesn't encourage advances in Gaming as an art form, in fact, I think it actively discourages it.

I love games and I think long and hard about game design etc, study story telling in games in detail... what I am absolutely don't care about at all is diferring Input Devices.

I mean, who cares if the line of code reads:

if WiimoteSwung() then HitBall()
if ButtonPressed() then HitBall()

The really good games come out at the end of hardware generations, normally on the console that has blatantly won. See - Shadow of The Colossus, Okami, FFXII, GoW II, etc etc... It's when people aren't wowed by graphics, or different controls or online and stuff, so game makers are forced to innovate and advance the actual medium, ie. the software.

I mean, when they sat around the write the design document for Shadow of the Colossus, did they say:

"Right, we want to tell a bittersweet story with a theme of isolation"

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"Oh my god, we could have like the Analogue stick to move!"

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Quote: "The main thing that worries me about the Wii is that it doesn't encourage advances in Gaming as an art form, in fact, I think it actively discourages it."


I don't understand your reasoning here, the only thing I see the Wii being limited in compared to the other two is performance, which is hardly crucial to games being art. Just because the Wii has a plethora of crap cash-in games because some developers obviously don't care about their work doesn't mean it discourages works of art, all consoles have more crap games than good ones imho, and I wouldn't even consider some of the better games as art per se.

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Posted: 21st Dec 2007 12:13 Edited at: 21st Dec 2007 12:25
Quote: "We have a Wii in ourhousehold, that means I'm hip and cool, that means I've finally moved into next gen gaming."


And there i was thinking it was just an overclocked game cube

Play the same game next to a 360 / PS3 on a high def TV and you'll know what I mean. Wii will look so last-gen.



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Posted: 21st Dec 2007 12:18
It's not next-gen, they're all current gen dammit!

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But the Wii gives developers the opportunity to reuse game design from before, and for it to feel new, whereas if all the developers just stayed on PS2/Xbox/GC they would be forced to actually come up with new design.

Design wise, Wii Sports is roughly 15-20 years behind the pace. Comparable to the simpler NES games.

360 and PS3 also give people an excuse to reuse design, with prettier graphics, but the leap in graphics is quite small this gen, so people are demanding advances in design as well. Hence, Mass Effect/Bioshock etc are praised, Gears/Drake's/Halo 3 are critisised for basically being Kill.switch/Tomb Raider/Halo 2, with prettier graphics.

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Posted: 21st Dec 2007 12:33 Edited at: 21st Dec 2007 12:43
Meh! Say what you will Gatorhex, if you'd prefer to read it as 'I've finally moved one step closer to next gen gaming' then suit yourself.

I agree with Kenatree,

Really what's so bad about the Wii? It's a new console - yes it brings back some old school stuff with a modern touch, well those games really got gamers active and it was systems like the old Nintendos that are responsible for todays gaming and well if the Wii is there and makes a lot of its gamers really satisfied and keeps the entertained then they must be doing something right.

I think it's really narrow minded and sort of sad when something steps out of the norm and people start hating it because they're scared that the norm will change - gaming isn't just an art form, it's a form of entertainment, its main purpose. The norm isn't changing, the 'art form' is still going, hence amazingly good looking games with great physics and action etc. are still being released and made. The only way for the art form to go is either for people to suddenly say 'whatever' to it (which they're not) or for developers to suddenly lose their touch and make games like Doom 3...I don't see what threat the Wii is, it's adding or/and reviving audiences and games and not replacing.

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At no point has Nintendo ever felt the need to compete with M$ and Sony, the GameCube had worse graphics than the XBox, the DS has worse graphics than the PSP, the GameBoy had worse graphics than the Lynx and GameGear. Maybe the fact that they're still around and kicking ass means that graphics are not that important to everyone.


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I totally agree with that, I basically can't wait for 2-3 generations time when they are so fast that graphics are not limited by the technology at all, only by the skills of the artists.

At that point it will be impossible to hide short-comings in design by advances in other areas, such as input and graphics.

This is also what happens currently, at the end of hardware generations. At the end of the Wii's run, there will be really, really good games coming out that can't rely on the novelty of the controller, and will actually have to make advances in design. Hopefully the true Wii Zelda will be one of these, as OoT was for N64.

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Posted: 21st Dec 2007 12:50 Edited at: 21st Dec 2007 12:55
Realy if it wasn't for Nintendo marketing/spin and the controller designed for elderly and girls who don't know one end of a joypad from another no-one would have bought it.

It's like having a PS1 playing next to a PS2, it realy does visualy look a generation behind!

I've heard rummors they will all move to Cell processor next round. I wonder which console is using Cell processor now Xpox

Quote: "I think it's really narrow minded and sort of sad "


Yeah, I think that of people who will buy anything because of advertising and hype.

I'm not a Sony/Xpox fanboy I use my PC for gaming. And there is no way they will ever port Supreme Commander to the Wii coz it's sooo slow

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Posted: 21st Dec 2007 12:54
Quote: "Realy if it wasn't for Nintendo marketing/spin and the controller designed for elderly and girls who don't know one end of a joypad from another no-one would have bought it."


Designed for Elderly people and girls? Now really...

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Posted: 21st Dec 2007 12:56 Edited at: 21st Dec 2007 13:01
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Nintendo did research into gaming noobs and how they play.

The results where that they try to tilt and turn a standard joypad!

So Nintendo made it work that way.

Hats off to Nintendo it was a great idea, tapping into a new market of non-gamers has realy saved them. I'm sure the others will copy this system to try and capture the granny/women market too.

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Quote: "It's like having a PS1 playing next to a PS2, it realy does visualy look a generation behind!"


Yet nobody seemed to mind for 2 generations when the PSone/PStwo were graphically inferior to the other consoles out there, remember when consoles were still "measured" in bits? PSone was 32-bit, and N64 was 64-bit, so by all of your reckoning, the PSone was last-gen compared to the N64. Yet it beat the N64 in that generation (ironic really, the roles when it come to speed have reversed). I say again, dismissing the Wii as a console for "elderly people and girls" is just ignorance, I'm an avid games player, and last time I checked I fell into neither category, and yet I still like the wii.

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Posted: 21st Dec 2007 13:03 Edited at: 21st Dec 2007 13:09
I think the PS1 beat he N64 because the games were easier and cheaper to copy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYvZnTFpip0 (contains swearing subtitles so kids don't click here)

I realy take my hat off to the XBox 360 for keeping cheats off online games probably the only reason I'd buy a console over PC gaming.

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Sorry GatorHex, guess we can't all be as l33t and hardcore as you

Come on it can't just be me and a few other folks on this board who play games for fun, instead of because we think we're enhancing ourselves; I can't think of a single occasion when a videogame has made a person I know turn their life around or vastly improve intellectually, in fact the only ones I know which actually have much of an impact on what you know are the ones lots of people seem to be putting down. Say what you like, Big Brain Academy was a good game.

To be honest, quite a lot of the games for the Wii look quite poor, but that's the same for the others as far as I'm concerned. Surely the people who are against the Wii for holding back the "art form" realise that the other consoles are still making these "artistic" games, the Wii is just introducing more diversity.


Quote: "Nintendo did research into gaming noobs and how they play.

They try to tilt and turn a standard joypad!"


How dare they! Trying to get new people into gaming! Games should be the preserve of the elite, who sit up on their computer for time spans in excess of 4 days straight living off coffee and takeaway. You can't have children, old people, females, peasants, the undeserving or those who haven't completed every game they already own buying a new game. It's just disgraceful. They have no right.

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How dare they! Trying to get new people into gaming! Games should be the preserve of the elite, who sit up on their computer for time spans in excess of 4 days straight living off coffee and takeaway. You can't have children, old people, females, peasants, the undeserving or those who haven't completed every game they already own buying a new game. It's just disgraceful. They have no right.
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Right on brother! Sorry it felt like the appropriate thing to say

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Posted: 21st Dec 2007 14:06 Edited at: 21st Dec 2007 14:14
Quote: "Realy if it wasn't for Nintendo marketing/spin and the controller designed for elderly and girls who don't know one end of a joypad from another no-one would have bought it.
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If it wasn't for Sony marketing/spin, the PS1 wouldn't of taken off. Nor would any console. So what a pointless thing to say :/

Also, you've proven a really idiotic, narrow-minded reason for why the game industry is saturating: Because people like you think that games should only be conserved for the 'hardcore'.

Don't you understand yet, that if audiences don't expand beyond what is really a niche market (hardcore), there will eventually be no games to play at all?

+ Why do you have a problem with elderly people and women playing games. Is your penis really that small?

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Nintendo and Microsoft and Sony should all come together to make the ultimate games machine.


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