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Mr Z
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Posted: 1st Feb 2009 18:25
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Quote: "I know - it's crazy. I'm a jerk, but deep down inside that's how I feel.

The only reason I trust that site is because they post reference links everywhere.

But yeah, sorry for that. Mac users can be good people, but I just... hate macs. Not the people who use them, to clarify."


Ahhh, you just hate Mac so much you like it when things go wrong . Lol. Do not know what to say, but you are entitled to your opinion.

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David R
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Posted: 1st Feb 2009 18:47 Edited at: 1st Feb 2009 18:50
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Quote: "cuz I wouldn't bother running a mac"


The main reason I run a Mac, is because I think Windows is now going nowhere. None of the most recent additions interest me what-so-ever (I'm interested in speed and usability/UI improvements. Overall, drastic change rather than continual iteration) and in an ironic fashion, the only improvement I think is useful, is a pseudo-emulation of the OS X dock (in Win7). So I think I made the right choice in jumping ship


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Satchmo
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Quote: "Overall, drastic change rather than continual iteration) and in an ironic fashion, the only improvement I think is useful, is a pseudo-emulation of the OS X dock (in Win7). So I think I made the right choice in jumping ship"


Lol "pseudo emulation"? More like an actually functional version of it. Plus if it counts windows had a "dock" first.



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Mr Z
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Posted: 1st Feb 2009 19:26 Edited at: 1st Feb 2009 19:27
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Its not a dock . It is a taskbar-quickstart crossing. And the OSX dock is a functional one. I think.

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David R
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Posted: 1st Feb 2009 19:37 Edited at: 1st Feb 2009 19:38
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Quote: "Lol "pseudo emulation"? More like an actually functional version of it. Plus if it counts windows had a "dock" first."


So what if they had it first? They got rid of it, and now they're returned to it again. At least Apple have stuck with their guns as such - MS just dot around all over the place (which is more justification for why I think they're going nowhere)

"Actual functional version of it" - meaning what exactly? It's an exact clone, or you don't believe the OS X dock functions?


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Of course it functions, not well though. Switching programs etc. is a pain. Take a look at aero peek, makes everything much more useful.

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David R
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Posted: 1st Feb 2009 19:42 Edited at: 1st Feb 2009 19:46
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Quote: "Of course it functions, not well though. Switching programs etc. is a pain. Take a look at aero peek, makes everything much more useful."


You've just sounded the "I've never actually used OS X, but I'll critique it any way" alarm

* You switch programs by clicking on their icons

* You can use Command+Tab (a la Alt+Tab)

* Aero peek does for Win7 what Expose does for OS X. I don't fully understand the point of Aero peek though - by the looks of it it just makes everything transparent...? (Whereas Expose shows a grid of open windows)

For reference though, F3 (Expose) shows all open windows, and Fn+F11 moves all of them out of the way


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Mr Z
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Posted: 1st Feb 2009 19:48
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Quote: "* Aero peek does for Win7 what Expose does for OS X. I don't fully understand the point of Aero peek though - by the looks of it it just makes everything transparent...?"


The idea is to make it clear what window you are switching to... well, how usable it is can be discussed, but it is the idea behind it.

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tha_rami
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Honestly, Macs are beautiful tech. Extremely high-quality hardware, usually, and pretty dependable stuff. They're great for graphics work and general usage


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Posted: 1st Feb 2009 21:34
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Common misconception.
The same programs are available for a pc, for the same price.

For speed in said programs, from what I've seen (used photoshop on both for awhile)Photoshop boots up faster on a mac, but runs faster on a pc. The 2006 imac's had a low brush update speed (looked ugly) compared to my crappy 2.5ghz single core pc.

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Jeku
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I don't like the ALT-TAB functionality on OSX. It shows you just 1 icon per program, even if you have many windows per program open. When I do my banking every week I like to have 5 or 6 Firefox windows open and quickly switch between them with ALT-TAB, but that's impossible with OSX. There might be a setting somewhere but I can't seem to find it.


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Posted: 1st Feb 2009 21:49 Edited at: 1st Feb 2009 21:54
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Quote: "Common misconception.
The same programs are available for a pc, for the same price."


Not the same screens or built in tools though (Colour grapher and all sorts of graphics tools in OS X)

Quote: "The 2006 imac's had a low brush update speed (looked ugly) compared to my crappy 2.5ghz single core pc."


Considering 2006 iMac (intel) machines were slower single cores, why is this surprising?

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Quote: " do my banking every week I like to have 5 or 6 Firefox windows open and quickly switch between them with ALT-TAB, but that's impossible with OSX. There might be a setting somewhere but I can't seem to find it."


You can use Command + Tilde (~) to switch between the windows of a single application


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Posted: 1st Feb 2009 21:51
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Quote: "Common misconception.
The same programs are available for a pc, for the same price.

For speed in said programs, from what I've seen (used photoshop on both for awhile)Photoshop boots up faster on a mac, but runs faster on a pc. The 2006 imac's had a low brush update speed (looked ugly) compared to my crappy 2.5ghz single core pc."

That must be why my school, a school specialized in digital art, has Cintiqs rigged up to Mac Minis. Macs are standard in the graphics branch, and there's a good reason for that. They're good for those goals.


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Posted: 1st Feb 2009 21:53 Edited at: 1st Feb 2009 21:54
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Aint read most of the thread(Up to page two.)
But Im supirsed that no one said that you can JUMP TO A URL USING THE HTML BASED HELP PAGES
Meaning you can still download a alternative...
I've got a camtasia file of me doing it in XP, aint edited it or all... But I'll upload it one day to show you what I mean.


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Posted: 1st Feb 2009 22:20 Edited at: 1st Feb 2009 22:21
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Quote: "Not the same screens or built in tools though (Colour grapher and all sorts of graphics tools in OS X)"


You can buy any monitor you want for a pc. Upgrading the monitor on a mac is near impossible, considering they are built in.

There are alternatives to almost all "built-in" tools.

I'm going to continue to fight with stupid arguments because I'm biased. Sorry.

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Considering 2006 iMac (intel) machines were slower single cores, why is this surprising?"


So in 2006 apple was that far behind that they can't match up with my 2003 average processor?

Quote: "That must be why my school, a school specialized in digital art, has Cintiqs rigged up to Mac Minis. Macs are standard in the graphics branch, and there's a good reason for that. They're good for those goals."


It must be ignorance. They think that to be the best they must spend the most. For the cintiq's that is true, but otherwise not.

Sorry for the ridiculous arguments, once again, I'm bias.

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David R
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Posted: 1st Feb 2009 22:24
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Quote: "So in 2006 apple was that far behind that they can't match up with my 2003 average processor?"


I'm going to place a rough bet that your 2003 processor is an AMD, and is not actually clocked at 2.5GHz


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Nope - Intel, same clock I got it at. I have a fear of overclocking.

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Quote: "You can use Command + Tilde (~) to switch between the windows of a single application"


Ahh, thanks for the tip


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Quote: "It must be ignorance. They think that to be the best they must spend the most. For the cintiq's that is true, but otherwise not."

Mac Mini's sure are expensive, aren't they? Like, 499 euros?


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Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet Rami, I suggest a more direct approach

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Maybe the school aimed to look like it could afford macs, but took the cheaper alternative because it was stripped of cash from the cintiq's.

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Quote: "Maybe the school aimed to look like it could afford macs, but took the cheaper alternative because it was stripped of cash from the cintiq's. "

Maybe that's the reason for those 14 Dell XPS systems they recently bought for the classroom next to those 2 year old XPS systems that were equipped with nothing but 7300's. Damn. I knew it!


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Think of running a resteraunt, and raising cattle to slaughter for hamburger. Don't ou think it would be a little stupid to get sued for packaging your own product... inside of your own product? Hamburger's aren't buggy, sub-par software, but it's the same concept.


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Quiet yourself, think before posting, and maybe you won't be as ignorant as you seem.
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Quote: "Think of running a resteraunt, and raising cattle to slaughter for hamburger. Don't ou think it would be a little stupid to get sued for packaging your own product... inside of your own product? Hamburger's aren't buggy, sub-par software, but it's the same concept."


Not the same concept. Imagine that 99% of people will only eat food seasoned with a particular sauce only available from one company. As a restaurant you have little choice but to buy the sauce or limit yourself to 1% of the market.

If the sauce company decides to branch out and start making buns what do you suppose will happen to your current bun supplier? It's going to be hard for your current bun supplier to compete if the sauce supplier starts leaning on you to buy their buns instead. The threat of sauce prices increasing 10% next year if you don't switch would be pretty persuasive.

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Maybe they should raise tuition costs.

Don't forget about the tasty, obscure, bake-it-yourself buns that everyone can see the recipe of and improve upon it. These cook the fastest and are resistant to taint.

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Damn, I wish I had a 7300... :/

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Because Bill Gates was in the right place at the right time. He bought a defunct operating system (DOS), brushed off the cobwebs, and got it on all IBM PCs in the early eighties when IBM couldn't deliver their own OS (OS/2) on their own hardware in time for launch. In the end, IBM couldn't persuade users to replace it with their own, original OS/2, or OS/2 Warp, because everyone was comfortable with Microsoft's offering. I visited an IBM office where you left laden with OS/2 Warp freebies, trying to get people to make the switch.

The rest is history.

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Right, I wish I got an external monitor and a keyboard with my notebook.

Quote: "Sorry for the ridiculous arguments, once again, I'm bias."

If you know you're biased why keep arguing?


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I really dont know why most of people seem to hate Apple products, (Ipod, mac etc) Well i dont like how they force to do some stuff but still, They are just another product and people prefer diffrent things.

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Quote: "I really dont know why most of people seem to hate Apple products"

I don't hate apple products, just apple fanboys

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I hate fanboys overall.


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Quote: "Mac Mini's sure are expensive, aren't they? Like, 499 euros?"

They used to be about $500, but I was just in the store the other day and saw the mac minis for $700. That's just too much for what they are. Tag on the price of an apple monitor and you may as well just buy an iMac which has a faster CPU and a dedicated video card for roughly the same money.

I like Apple, for the most part, I have to agree I don't like how you're locked into their control on some things. My airport extreme card recently went out in my powerbook. I went to the apple store and they told me they won't sell internal components to users. If I needed it replaced, I had to let them replace the part, which of course will cost installation fees I don't feel I need to pay for a simple job. I've taken apart my powerbook, it's not that complicated to disconnect a few cables and ribbons and swap the part out. Microcenter sells some internal parts but didn't have the proper airport card my laptop needed. So my options at this point is one of 3:
A. Pay Apple to fix the laptop
B. Buy the card on Ebay
C. Buy a USB wireless adapter

I ended up buying a stupid USB stick with a big antenna sticking off the side because I couldn't find any compatible PC cards. After forking out the $60 for the usb, 2 days later my airport randomly kicked back in and the system recognizes it again. Which is good, because that Hawkings usb stick sucks.

This isn't really an issue with Apple's desktops because the components for the most part are the same in any PC, other than the mobo and chipset. I think Apple uses Foxconn motherboards.

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I know newegg sells apple stuff, you might want to check there. Not that it helps much now

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You know I wasn't talking about portable pc's. It's perfectly acceptable on the mac notebooks.

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If you know you're biased why keep arguing?"


I actually don't know.

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