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Steve J
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Well, for one the ps3 is hoping on its gameplay in fps, and a few other genres. Most good fps games have switched to xbox, and the rest might work, but they dont have a good live system like the 360, and the 360 has more financial backing, so can afford to lose more. I dont know where you got the fan backing thing, because as far as I can tell, no one I know really is excited for the ps3. At all. They see it as another graphic console, and it is more expensive than the 360, which has been out longer, and it can only produce the same graphics quality! Besides matt, you only see the other systems as coming out first. PS1 only had nintendo to contend with, and it wasnt hard. Xbox came out after PS2, and came close. 360 came out before ps3 and can easily match quality, is a lower price, and has a few better features in key areas that new gamers look torwards! Yah sure, you might want the games from some of these boughten out developers, but how do you know there titles will be par with the already released titles, and working titles for 360? Microsoft can certianly match it, and EA is basically moving torwards the 360, as it was out first (before they released many things on the ps2, and the graphics only got good at the last quarter of its existance). Now name 5 titles that many people want to buy for the ps3...now name 5 for 360. It is much easier for the 360, because there were more anticipated games. Wii will probably come second, but I am sorry, sony isnt going to win this round:/

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I am stating that Playstation has had a lower quality machine in the past two generations, with a massive catalog of games that, in my opinion, were mostly (MGS, Ico, FF, and Shadow of Colossus own) of a lower quality than what you get from the bottom of Microsoft and Nintendo's barrels.


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Wii rules.
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Posted: 30th May 2006 08:10 Edited at: 30th May 2006 08:18
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I found this interesting chart that lists the previous 20 or so game consoles in *today's* dollars. Surprising that the PS3 isn't close to the top of the pile.

As far as I can tell the Atari 2600 is the only one that came out at 5-600 that didn't fail (of course Atari 2600 was a breakthrough piece of machinery that pioneered many fundamental things such as the joystick, so it's hard to count that in there).

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Oopsies, they don't allow image-hotlinking--- so go here first, then click the SECOND chart to show the systems in today's prices:

http://curmudgeongamer.com/2006/05/history-of-console-prices-or-500-aint.html

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Interestingly, every Nintendo console debuted at $200 in their dollars--- let's hope they don't buck the trend with the Wii


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Posted: 30th May 2006 12:04 Edited at: 30th May 2006 12:07
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Quote: "Xbox came out after PS2, and came close. "

Came close when? What sales figures are you looking at? The closest Xbox came to the PS2's sales was when the PS2 was only selling ten times as many units... 19% of a market share is close now? AMD is closer to matching Intel

Quote: "I am sorry, sony isnt going to win this round:/"

Anyone care to put money on this? Seriously, I'm not kidding. Sony will have the #1 console (yet again) and I'm willing to bet anyone who wants to step up to plate. But I'm willing to bet even more money that no one will take this wager with me because as hardcore of 360 fans as you might be, you know as a fact that Sony is going to win again, as always. Oh yeah, and before I forget:
Quote: "Now name 5 titles that many people want to buy for the ps3"

Metal Gear, The Getaway, Gran Turismo, Killzone, FF, DMC 4, Ni-Ho, Tekken, Syphon Filter, that nifty-looking new Wild West game that Rockstar's making exclusively for the PS3 (granted, their making Midnight Club exclusively for the 360... what a shocker, lol)... those are the first ten that come to mind.

Just because you don't like something doesn't make it sell poorly. I hate Dave Matthews band, but as much as I wish they'd stop making music, I'm sure they'll put out a new crapfest sooner or later, and it'll sell well, too. The PS3 has always done well, and as long as Ken Kutagari is breathing, I'm sure it will continue to do well, and as I've already said, I'm willing to put money on that While this forum is seemingly crawling with 360 fans, you're all failing to realize how many Sony fans their are and how many people are dying to get their hands on this console. Microsoft's biggest mistake? Releasing so long before the PS3. That's going to hurt them in the end, and yes, I'm taking bets on that too

Edit: Why the picture of John Carmack? I'm guessing there was a joke there but it flew over my head


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Posted: 30th May 2006 12:26
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I'm going to get which ever one is easiest to yank, then in turn, carry while running away from a game store...

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didnt gates say there will be 160 games out for 360 by xmas, so even if ps3 launched with 20 games itd be nothing compared to the options from 360. no doubt the ps3 will continue to get there support from most fanboys... but thats why theyre fanboys right? i dont see any avarage consumer buying a ps3, better graphics or not. its not logical and its not a good wy to spend your money. ps3 will do ok, but in no way can it domanate the market

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Posted: 30th May 2006 19:08
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I love how 360 people use the word "fanboy" as if they AREN'T Xbox fanboys I'm a sony fanboy, and I'm proud of it

I'm not going to sit here and say the same things over and over again. You guys can't win this arguement, I can't win this arguement... all has been said, let's just wait and see whose right. Granted, it's going to be me, and you guys know it, that's why none of you want to put money on it But Mr. Jefferson, Lincoln, and maybe even Ben Franklin... they're on my side


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Posted: 30th May 2006 20:14
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Matt Rock, here are some interesting figures:

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/30/1612231&from=rss

Taken from Famitsu,

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"Prior to E3, Famitsu readers were interested in the PS3, and Final Fantasy. Post E3, while there's still some excitement over Final Fantasy, they seem to be very interested in the Wii, and concerned about the PS3's high price. It certainly seems that in Japan, at least, Nintendo and Sony's fortunes have reversed. Will this hold through the launch and the succeeding years?" From the article: "Nearly 70% of readers said they are most looking forward to Wii. 21% voted for PlayStation 3, while the others voted for systems already released. 88.4% of readers believe PlayStation 3 is too expensive, while 10% believe it's 'about right'."
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Looks like PS3 may not be as popular as you infer


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Posted: 30th May 2006 21:19
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I agree with Matt Rock on this one. The PSX and PS2 were a success, so the PS3 will be too. I've spoken to all my friends, and they're all getting a PS3. If anything, it's the PS4(if it exists) that will take a hit, but thats only if the PS3 is a disappointment, which there's no proof of yet.

People won't know if the PS3 is rubbish until they've bought it, and by then, they will have already counted towards the sales figures.

I'm looking forward to the Wii, but my obsession with FF means I'll almost certainly be getting a PS3.

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Quote: "Interestingly, every Nintendo console debuted at $200 in their dollars--- let's hope they don't buck the trend with the Wii "



I think I read or heard somewhere that the Wii will be priced at 250$ at launch.


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Posted: 31st May 2006 04:23 Edited at: 31st May 2006 04:53
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Quote: "Granted, it's going to be me, and you guys know it, that's why none of you want to put money on it "


LOL that statement is a arrogant as sonys here

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150878

maybe you should call them up and get a job working for them, it's that same arrogance that has people dissing them in the first place.

Edit: here is another one that bothered me i had forgot about.
http://ps3.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150935

Of course this being if the quote is actually true.:

Yes i do have a 360, but nope im not a sony hater since i am right now typing on my sony vaio, and watching my 42" 3-lcd projection sony wega not to mention my video cam is a sony hi 8 and i have owned ps1 and a ps2.

This is my main concern on the issue and i would like to see what this said price increase actually is. From it says the price will eventually go down, thing is ps3 will be one of the first products to play blu-ray so essentially the price will be higher for awhile.

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What will Blu-ray products cost?


As with any new technology the first generation of products will likely be quite expensive due to low production volumes. However, this shouldn't be a problem for long as there is a wide range of Blu-ray related products (players, recorders, drives, writers, media, etc) planned, which should help drive up production volumes and lower overall production costs. Once mass production of components for Blu-ray products begins the prices are expected to fall quickly.

According to the Blu-ray Disc Association, the overall cost of manufacturing Blu-ray Disc media will in the end be no more expensive than producing a DVD. The reduced injection molding costs (one molding machine instead of two, no birefringence problems) offset the additional cost of applying the cover layer and low cost hard-coat, while the techniques used for applying the recording layer remain the same. As production volumes increase the production costs should fall and eventually be comparable to DVDs. "


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Tech wise Playstation 3 wins by a margin. However, in any case, the full potential computational power of both the PS3 and the XBOX 360 won't be tapped for a while. But till then, it just depends on what kind of games you like.

Quote: "Ubisoft's CEO, Yves Guillemot, agreed with Activision's earlier statement that the launch games would only use a fifth of the PS3's potential.

"We won't be able to take advantage of all the components."
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Taken from PS3Land.com ([href]http://www.ps3land.com/article-377.php[/href])

Quote: "According to many game developers, the first generation of PlayStation 3 games will not be utilizing the systems true potenial.

Simon Jeffrey, America President of Sega stated, "...developers will release a first batch of games that don't use all the power of Sony's new Cell processor." Due to the delay in information/access to the Cell and delay in providing dev kits to developers, most launch games will not harness the real power of the machine. Also, Jeffery spoke about how there may not be many PS3 launch titles because game developers are just now getting their dev kits.

Mike Hickey, a video-games analyst for Janco Partners explained the cost of developing for next gen platforms saying, "Developing for Sony's platform is incrementally more complex than what you're looking at for Microsoft or Nintendo...With costs that could go over $25 million a game, you're not seeing third-party content where it needs to be at this stage to have a successful launch."

Some developers have been saying that they are fine with what they have to work with so far. Robert Kotick, chief executive officer at Activision stated, " First-generation games offered for the new PlayStation 3 won't use more than 20 percent of the Cell chip's capabilities...that's typical for a new platform because developers need several years to learn how to use the technology"

"While we may not have the final, final hardware, we know what the processor's capacity is...[and]We have active development under way...This is the most sophisticated piece of consumer hardware ever.""


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Quote: "I think I read or heard somewhere that the Wii will be priced at 250$ at launch."

Ummm, noooooooo...
Nintendo said that the Wii will not cost more than $250. They didn't even have that number until they saw the ps3 would cost $600. They have yet to reveal the launch cost. It will most likely be $199.99, as that sounds infinitely lower than $250 or $600.

Honestly, I've never liked sony. I've had bad experiences with their products overall, and really, although I've only played a handful of their games, the only ps exclusive games I've ever wanted enough to consider buying are the original Spyro Games. Those rank up there with Mario 64 and Rayman 2 as my favorite 3d platformers.

Looking though these forums, you may assume I'm a Nintendo fanboy. Maybe I am, I'm really not sure. I just happen to believe in the same things that Nintendo is pushing, and I'm a presentation freak and everything Nintendo makes shines with perfect presentation. My favorite xbox game is probably Fable, which I have for the pc. My first time playing it, was like reading a Harry Potter book the first time through... If only Fable were bigger with a more in-depth story, it would have been perfect. I can't wait for Fable 2...

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Quote: "I agree with Matt Rock on this one"

I'm marking my calendar... I think this marks the first time anyone has ever agreed with me in history, lol (well, here on TGC hehe)

Quote: "LOL that statement is a arrogant as sonys here"

Still, no one takes the bet

Quote: "maybe you should call them up and get a job working for them, it's that same arrogance that has people dissing them in the first place."

I probably should... I'd make more than I'm making now I'm also obsessed with Sony's equipment. Besides the Playstation, where 99% of the people I know are hardcore about it, everyone else is 50/50... "Why is your house a Sony showroom?" UGH, whatever, I like their gear, sue me. I still have the original Playstation 2, from the first shipment, which I luckily got before someone else did, and never once has it had even a remote complication... I've never seen the infamous "disc read error." That's part of why I'm such a hardcore sony fanboy... I've never had anything of their break. Except the controllers. The PS3 controllers are the only thing I'm not looking forward to about the new console. When I replace my computer in a few years, I'm going to replace it with another Vaio because this one hasn't failed me yet (knock on wood)... and then all of my friends will tear me to shreds because I didn't build my own. This is me shrugging.

I've also only heard that the Wii will be $199. The PS3 is going to release expensive, the same as the PS2 did, and after a few months it'll drop in price, too.

I've seen other polls where Sony's PS3 had the upper hand. I'm sure you'll even find a few where the Wii takes the lead (even though that would defy the laws of nature)... no surprise, everyone is a fan of something I'm almost hoping the Wii does great... Nintendo is a depressing company to watch lately, especially for someone around my age who was old enough to walk to school on his own when the original NES came out. I miss Nintendo rocking the house. I mostly dislike the XBox because I hate Microsoft (puts on flame-retardant outfit). lol I bet no one saw THAT one coming


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Quote: "I'm sure you'll even find a few where the Wii takes the lead"


Did you even read the links I posted? All of the surveys I can find put the Wii in the lead


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actually I have seen polls all over the internet people would rarther buy a x360 or a wii but the ps3 gets no votes. I doubt it will dominate this round because the 360 is cheaper and can basicly match it for power as well as the fact that its already out and from what I have heard the ps3 dev kits are not very good so I wouldnt expect many great games to start with.

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Doesn't Sony realize that it doesn't matter if the machine has top-notch graphics so long as you convince people that it does have top-notch grahics? I mean look at the PS2. Worst looking last generation, but still so many people claimed it had the most technical prowess. They're completely screwing their winning strategy.

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LOL that statement is a arrogant as sonys here

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150878

maybe you should call them up and get a job working for them, it's that same arrogance that has people dissing them in the first place.

Edit: here is another one that bothered me i had forgot about.
http://ps3.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150935"


They're too confident. I hope someone knees them in the balls.


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Say, hypothetically there was an engine that was renown for being next gen and slashing the production times of creating cutting edge graphic games. Just pretend that there was a very famous engine that did that, and was liscenced out to lots of different developers.

Now imagine that that engine still didn't have a PS3 version because the (hypothetical) devkits were a pile of rubbish that don't in any way represent the capabilities of the final machine. All hypothetical, of course, but if such a situation were to arise, it would make developing games for that system much harder, especially for cross-platform releases. It would (hypothetically) make developers very unhappy, and they might choose to look elsewhere, where devkits have been stable for 12+ months.
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whatever happened to that console called the phantom?

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Quote: "whatever happened to that console called the phantom?"

It lived up to it´s name? The company still exists. No idea what they do for a living though.

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Lol.

I might have this wrong, and if I do please correct me, but one of the major selling points for the Wii is the motion sensitive controller... But the new PS3 controller is wireless and also motion sensitive... doesn't that kind of knock the wind out of that argument? Granted the Wii has many other selling points, but I guess thats another way the compitition has been matched .
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Quote: "But the new PS3 controller is wireless and also motion sensitive... doesn't that kind of knock the wind out of that argument?"


But...

Wii = about 199$
PS3 = 499$-599$
Xbox 360 = 299$-399$

Xbox 360 + Wii = PS3

I'd rather buy a 360 and a Wii, instead of getting a PS3 only.


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The motion sensors in the PS3 controller are inferior to the ones in the Wii controller. Yes, they're both motion sensitive - but the PS3 controller will detect only roll, while the Wiimote will detect roll, angle, and distance from the reciever - pretty much giving 3d control. Or some such
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I actually like the Wii...I wanna try that virtual katana combat!!!


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Quote: "might have this wrong, and if I do please correct me, but one of the major selling points for the Wii is the motion sensitive controller... But the new PS3 controller is wireless and also motion sensitive... doesn't that kind of knock the wind out of that argument?"


adding to what tinkergirl said, the wiimote is also wireless...

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Wii = about 199$
PS3 = 499$-599$
Xbox 360 = 299$-399$

Xbox 360 + Wii = PS3

I'd rather buy a 360 and a Wii, instead of getting a PS3 only"
amen to that

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Blueray is in the PS3, get that through your heads.
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Quote: "the wiimote is also wireless..."


Yup, I know that.

So it's just roll huh? Wonder how much good that will do. It will be interesting to see. I bet controllers will be more expensive now too. We all know the PS2 ones break after 72+ hours of play and that those $12 ones from Blockbuster work much better. For those of you in the U.K. Blockbuster is a store you rent movies from.

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Quote: "Blueray is in the PS3, get that through your heads."

Ah yes, that's definately going to make games more fun.

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The ps3 controller can tell the angle it's at. Big whoopdeedoo. Especially after saying they didn't support gimmicks (making an obvious point at the Wii), and then showing their own duct tape solution to Wii with a very gimmicky roll feature attached to a controller identical to the ps2 one.

The Wiimote is wireless, uses Bluetooth tech to sense the rotation of the controller, not to mention where it is in 3d space and how fast it's moving. It also has a rumble pack which works because of the smarter movement sensing tech, and has a built in speaker of about ds quality. Not only that, but any attachment Nintendo or other developers could possibly want to add can be attached (like the Nunchuck, LightGun, and Retro controller already do). And then the Wii has the virtual consol, putting together the largest amount of launch titles in history, and redefining retro, and giving you all the best nes, snes, n64, and Sega genesis games all a few button clicks away. Also, it will work with all the Gamecube Games.
Then the Wii will update 24-7 in sleep mode so you never have to turn it off, and your game updates will be ready by the next time you play your game. Then there's the free wireless, which is always good, and I have no doubt it will not go to waste with games like Smash Bros. and the like. The Wii is also small and sexy like an ipod, and cheap enough (below $250 and probably $200) that I feel like I'd be getting well over my moneys worth in buying it, right out of the box even.


As game developers here, there shouldn't even be a question about which consol is the best to buy. We of all people should appreciate such a new way to play games, and such a dedication to the retro games of the past.

Edit: And while blueray being awesome, I don't see any good coming from releasing it now. I've converted to dvds, and I don't want to have to change over again if blueray wins the format war. I'd apresiate Blueray more it if came out 3-10 years from now. That's just me, though.

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Quote: "Blueray is in the PS3, get that through your heads."

Oooooh, all that space sure is nice... I wonder what they're gonna do with it all. Oh, I know, they'll probably stuff it with movies, cutscenes, uncompressed data (why bother with compression??), and other things that won't make any in-game difference. Maybe we'll see longer games, but the longer a game, the higher the production cost, so probably not.

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If I get one it will be a PS3, simply because I enjoy the final fantasy games so much (the non-mmo ones). I don't think I've ever bought any other game for a console in my life. I just wish the FF series was availible for the PC.

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Wasn't there news about the next Final Fantasy coming out for another console as well? Has that changed?

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Quote: "Wasn't there news about the next Final Fantasy coming out for another console as well? Has that changed?"


Apparently, that's changed. FFXIII is PS3 only. It looks awesome already. FFIII remake is for the DS, though.

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Quote: "Wasn't there news about the next Final Fantasy coming out for another console as well? Has that changed?"

The original designer is obligated by contract to produce one PS3 game, but he'll be developing a non-FF game for all three consoles (one each, or so I understand). Sony and Square Enix have had a contract since FF7 for something rediculous like 15 years, or at least that's what I was made to understand a long time ago. I'm sure they'll make an FF for the Wii eventually, but I highly doubt the 360 will ever see one.


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Well, they made VII and VIII for the PC, so it's possible, but they've only ever had good sales with Nintendo and PS.

Either way, I'm getting the PS3 for FFXIII.

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Longer starting intros you have to click away, half the disc is aniamted logos with audio diatribe. after 25 company screens you can then play the game.

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Quote: "I'm sure they'll make an FF for the Wii eventually"

Umm... You mean like the ff crystal chronicles game that's currently being made for the Wii?

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Posted: 1st Jun 2006 04:01 Edited at: 1st Jun 2006 04:08
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I think it'll be Wii here, for several reasons:

1) It's cheaper. To get the full experience of a PS3 / XBox 360 would require the purchase of a console and an HDTV. In the case of a PS3, that would come to £1000 if you added in a couple of games.

2) It's interesting - my favourite games on the DS (Kirby, Metroid Prime: Hunters, Mario Kart) demonstrated the benefits of new methods of interaction very successfully. Makes me think the Wii might just work.

Playing "Doom 3" was my lightbulb moment. It was a beautiful game and you could spend the first few minutes admiring the shadows and the detail of the characters and environment. After a couple of hours play I found myself quite bored - the actual gameplay wasn't much fun. Half Life 2 on the other hand was riveting from start to finish, even though it was less stunning technically.

3) Blu-Ray / HD-DVD's benefits are not attractive to me personally at the moment. I will need to actually see some Blu-Ray / HD-DVD footage before I make a final call on that, but DVD detail is good-enough for my needs.

Having noted the above points, Nintendo's decision to give HD a miss entirely this generation might prove a mistake in a few years time. If high-def TVs and high-def TV broadcasts do become common-place in a couple of years, looking at Wii games might be painful to the point of distraction compared with 360 / PS3. My 8-Ball says "Wait and see" on this issue.


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Quote: "Umm... You mean like the ff crystal chronicles game that's currently being made for the Wii? "

No... I mean an actual, full-scale Final Fantasy.

Quote: "1) It's cheaper."

So was the gamecube, and it performed dead last during the last-gen console war.

I honestly don't think price has much to do with it. The PS2 premiered at the same cost as the PS3 is going to premier, and the PS2 won the last round by far, easily, no contest. The reason systems like the 3DO crashed and burned was mostly because they restricted gameplay and relied on only a few developers... how many games for 3DO were made by Crystal Dynamics? Too many, lol. I'm still waiting, hoping, and praying that someone will take me up on this bet


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Posted: 1st Jun 2006 04:52 Edited at: 1st Jun 2006 04:53
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So was the gamecube, and it performed dead last during the last-gen console war.
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But, Nintendo's advertising and presentation with the Gamecube as a whole was a lot weaker, look at it's launch line-up... Not many good games there, save Melee. Meanwhile the Xbox had DOA 3,Halo, Project Gotham Racing, and Amped for starters.
Quote: "The original designer is obligated by contract to produce one PS3 game, but he'll be developing a non-FF game for all three consoles (one each, or so I understand)."

Uh... you mean Hironobu Sakaguchi? Because he left Square, so I'm confused as to how his contract forces him to make a Ps3 game. Especially since his 3 current games are in development for the 360 only (as of now). Blue Dragon, Cry ON, and Lost Oddessy if you didn't know. He founded Mistwalker.

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To my knowledge, he was under contract with Square Enix when he left the company, and he was already commissioned for another FF before we quit. In that same article it said he was doing one other, non-ff game for each of the three consoles. I think it was in Game Developer.


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I thought Hironobu Sakaguchi left a long time ago.

Price is VERY important. My brother and I have been saving for a 360, and we timidly asked our folks for a Wii for Christmas. They were skeptical, "Another 400 dollar piece of brainwaster? And you want us to buy it? That motion thing will probably make it even more expensive, it's not the $600 one is it?" "Mommy, Nintendo's is gonna be about $200." "Oh. Okay. if you don't want any music equipment or anything, have at it."

If PS3 loses its mainstream audience because of price then developers who were originally Sony exclusive may want to migrate to where there's a greater cash flow. It's like what Tinkergirl was saying. We're basically repeating things here.

Speaking of repeating things...
Seriously, no PS3 games outside of Suicidal Solid Snake and Final Fantasy 1.3 * 10^234. I may be knocking on them, but I am genuinely excited about those games, and I dearly hope they make ports to 360 at least.
Still, 360 has Call of Duty, Need for Speed (both of which I play whenever I'm at my friend's lots of fun), Halo 3, Bioshock, Mass Effect, and shares John Woo with PS3. Wii has Zelda, Mario, Red Steel, Wario, sex, everything I could ever dream of.


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neither the PS3 nor the XBOX 360.

too much money for each console...and also for each game.

a possibility exists for the Nintendo wii(Revoultion is better and more revolutionary )

yet, I'm looking forward to the Hydra. The Hydra game console(home computer). I'm also looking forward for these computer games: the Corporation, Titans Quest, and especially Hellgate London from Blizzard software.


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Posted: 1st Jun 2006 14:05 Edited at: 1st Jun 2006 14:08
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(Directed at no one in particular ) If you think developers are leaning towards the ps3, think again. The ps3 is the hardest of the three to develop for, and by far the most expensive. While the Wii uses similar dev kits to the gamecube, so that developers already have five years honing the tech for it and can produce games cheaply. I don't know the specifics of 360 development, but it's somewhere between the two.

And if you don't think developers are supporting Nintendo for the new gen, you're definitely behind the times. Many, many developers are very openly supporting the Wii. The Wiis launch lineup looks to be one of the best in quite a while, even if you don't count the virtual consol.

But if you like Sony, by all means go buy a ps3. After all, Sony has bet their entire company on the fact that the ps3 will dominate the market. If Sony doesn't win this generation, they may actually go out of business. In case you haven't noticed, Sony hasn't really expanded in any market but the gaming one in quite a while. Also, the reason the ps did so well had a lot to do with the dvd player. When it came out, it was the cheapest dvd player around in Japan. That won them the Japanese market. They're betting a lot on the fact that the ps3 is the only blueray player.

Heh, and I just read an article where Sony said that their controller was better than te Wiimote, because ps2 controllers and imitations of it had sold like 400 million of them. Gee I wonder if that had anything to do with how often their controllers broke?
And they seem to think they invented 3d graphics. Hmm,
Quote: ""When we [Sony] brought PlayStation to the market in 1994, we introduced real-time graphics in 3D for the first time," Harrison commented, apparently dismissing SEGA's Saturn."

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/710/710760p1.html

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That got me anoyed that bit. Not much though as the rest of the interview was also jibberish. I can´t believe they´re not going to change the design after 10 years. It was ok for the psone asit mainly used the digital pad rather than the stick but nowadays it´s the other way round. Having the most important part of the pad in a none centric position is down right stupid. Though coulcn´t really have changed it though. Imagine what would have happened if they had put the analogue stick where the digital one was. A complete copy of the wii and 360 pads. The journalists would have had a field day.

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Quote: "So was the gamecube, and it performed dead last during the last-gen console war.

I honestly don't think price has much to do with it. The PS2 premiered at the same cost as the PS3 is going to premier, and the PS2 won the last round by far, easily, no contest. The reason systems like the 3DO crashed and burned was mostly because they restricted gameplay and relied on only a few developers... how many games for 3DO were made by Crystal Dynamics? Too many, lol. I'm still waiting, hoping, and praying that someone will take me up on this bet"


This thread doesn't ask which console will be the most successful (in terms of market share, profitability or other metrics), it asked which console forum-goers will be buying and why.

I answered Wii, and for me personally the price IS a significant factor. For £420 I will be able to get:

A) An Xbox 360 Premium and at least 3 games (£280 for the console, ignoring the likely drop in price, £45 per game)
B) A Playstation 3 and 0 games.
C) A Wii and 7 games (If we assume a £150 price point, £40 per game).

On the flip-side, the PS3 does have a lot of titles in development for it, and it would probably be worth another look in a year or two. This is what I did with the PS2.


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I wish I had a scanner. When I bought my PS2, the receipt for which I still have (I'm a packrat), it was $599. From the opening bell it dominated the market. Even today, it's keeping up with the 360, but admittedly I think it's because (A) a lot of Sony fans hate the xbox, and (B) the 360 is somewhat pricey. Hands-down, there are more Sony fans, and as we've seen before we know for a fact that they're willing to pay that much. The people who aren't will just wait a few months until the price drops (and it will, Sony is like that with ALL of their gear... take a look at Vaio prices).

Quote: "I dearly hope they make ports to 360 at least."

Hideo Kojima is a far bigger Sony fanboy than I am. Don't count on seeing anything other than a Substance game on the 360. Metal Gear 4 will be a PS3 exclusive with a variated version appearing on the Wii, but the 360 will probably end up with a substance game again. Square and Sony are pretty tight-knit and ff is a heavy hitter for the Playstation, so I wouldn't count on seeing a FF game for 360... but who knows, Microsoft has a lot of money

Quote: "After all, Sony has bet their entire company on the fact that the ps3 will dominate the market. If Sony doesn't win this generation, they may actually go out of business. In case you haven't noticed, Sony hasn't really expanded in any market but the gaming one in quite a while. Also, the reason the ps did so well had a lot to do with the dvd player. When it came out, it was the cheapest dvd player around in Japan. That won them the Japanese market. They're betting a lot on the fact that the ps3 is the only blueray player."

Sony is pretty much the biggest electronics corporation in the world. I'm sure they'll live if the PS3 takes a nose-dive (not that it will). The PS2 had one of the most expensive console debutes in Japan's history, shy of the 360. The real selling factor was its backwards compatability.

The fact of the matter is, you xbox fanboys are relying on the PS3 to crash because of its price and lack of titles. Don't keep your hopes too high. The PS2 was released at the same price, and had even less starting titles than the PS3. and it's fully backwards-compatible, which the other two consoles are not, and that was a HUGE selling factor for the PS2. The 360 was released too early, and won't perform very well against the PS3 and the Wii when they're released, because people like new and shiny things. And if anyone thinks I'm wrong, that the PS3 will dominate the market as the PS2 did, the Wii will take second place, and the 360 will drop behind into a lowly third place, I'm still willing to take bets, 3-1. But will anyone step up and take me on? No, because you realize I'm right hehe


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Go for the 360.

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