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@ Van B - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_moves Theres tricks up to my eyebrows that I never knew existed =) I have plenty of friends, and me myself, who cah perform the behind the head trick flawlessly with a band, and we havent played even a thousand shows between us all.

The Edge is quite overrated, but I think he is shamed next to Billie Joe =)

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@Bahamut: Thanks dude, but I was talking about the basics, like for example:

-Introduction
-Easy solos
-Advanced solos
-writing your own solos (includes what are the usual frets used for soloing, what techniques can be used,etc)

If you possess any knowledge (Even if its on a website) about any of the above, please inform me





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Oh, right. I'll ask my sister when she gets home. She knows loads of scales so she improvises with those. However, recently, she's started ignoring the rules, and her soloing as improved 10-fold. Our rhythm guitarist, who is the chief songwriter doesn't know much about the technical side of playing, so the stuff he comes up with is much more creative, as he is unaware of the "rules."

It seems to be that scales are good to know, but because of that, people stick to them, so their solos and riffs sound like everything else that's ever been done.

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want to learn to wright licks ( or songs for that case) just learn modes and your away ( and to play your instrument of choice).
modes cover everyhting from rythm to lead and bass+ keyboard, once you learn your modes then other instruments and song writing become easier.......but that also then depends on your imagination and whether you can mix modes without it sounding like a luaghing hyena with its b*ll*x trapped in an electric fence.

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Quote: "Most amazing thing about Hendrix is he was left handed, but played on a right handed guitar"


Sardinas was left handed and played on a right handed guitar, but right handed! He learned to play it backwards. I tried and got nowhere.


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@Keemo,

No exact frets are ever used. If you are good you can just make solos around a chromatic scale, but usually what I do is play around a set scale that can be moved up and down the fret board, so rather than thinking of them as notes you think of them as numbers.

Try searching the net for scale patterns.

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Quote: "so rather than thinking of them as notes you think of them as numbers."

Don't stick with playing by numbers too long though.. I find it extremely annoying when I show someone I'm playing with what I'm playing and he asks for the numbers... its much much much better to learn the names of the notes and the positioning of the scales. When I tell a bassist to back me on a pentatonic A, I don't want him asking what number that is.

One thing to do is when you learn a song from a tab or something, find out why it sounds good. Learn about intervals and scales and whatnot and you'll find that 90% of pop songs are in Major, 95% of metal songs are in minor, and 99% of country and classic rock songs are in pentatonic minor, so those would be ideal to learn first.

Also, check out tabs or resources for exercizes on the guitar, this can build your technique which in turn builds your confidence which combined with theory creates solos which combined with creativity makes good solos =)

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I heard of this thing, where guitarists sing along whilst doing their scales. This means that they can find any note instantly when playing, so can improvise a solo that way. Is this true, or was I really, really gullible?

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Uhm, well if you work hard in practice, no matter what you'll be able to find whatever note you want, I can just about do it accurately most of the time and I never sang along to my guitar, but I imagine that singing with it could possibly help somehow in someway... but you'd better have a Geddy Lee voice to sing with those high notes.

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Thanks, back to the topic. Who do you think is today's world's best modern guitarist ?



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Herman Li, Sam Totman, the guy from Children of Bodom (I named him earlier. Alexi something).

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bahamut: ive played guitar for about 20 years , my freinds about the same, we know what notes we are playing,just like on a keyboard ,you have to...how else can you write music if you dont know the notes.????
learn some modes,they will teach you about the notes and the structoring of rythm whether for rythm or soloing.
i know people that just stick to shapes or numbers, and i personnally think you will hold yourself back doing this,you can get fast results with the numbers and shapes way.....but youll be stuck with it,spend the extra time learning properly.
b4 anyone shouts aaarrrggghh no...think about it, when you learn a chord you learn a shape and can play a chord, when you learn what notes make up the chord you no longer think of shape but pick out the notes you need, and add in the extra notes needed to change the meanin/feeling behind that chord...you also then know what chords or notes the other players can use and for what effect.
its a bit like like fpsc ( shapes and numbers) and learning modes is like db or c++.
i would also add that a lot of the classical guitarists are very good players ( thats how i started...im just not as good at it) and they are always overlooked.

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The finger tapping wasn't that impressive, pretty easy and just add the doubling effect. Now that 2 handed crap, i aint got the coordination for that!

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@ tpfkat: Don't get me wrong, I don't play guitar, I play drums. I just know bits and pieces that I pick up from my Dad, sister and friends. I also read Total Guitar magazine, because I'm interested in alot of the music they cover.

Hence me saying I don't really know what I'm talking about every other post. I'm only reciting stuff I pick up. Guitars do rock though.

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imho, Jimmy Page is great for his style and soloing speed, Alvin Lee for the same reasons, and Joe Satriani for his technical dominance of the guitar. My favorite guitarist however, even if he isn't technically the best guitarist, would be Jonny Greenwood... I just love how he soundscapes and uses every square millimeter of the guitar to make nifty sounds and whatnot. Again, I'm not saying he's the best, I'm just saying he's my favorite, so sit down Matty... put the gun away


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I take it Jonny Greenwood is in Radiohead?

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Quote: "so sit down Matty... put the gun away"


I actually wasn't going to get on you about that, this is a "whats your favorite guitarist" thread, not a "name at least a somewhat decent or better guitarist" thread

just playin, I rather like his creativeness flowing through time signatures and what not, and to be honest, I probably would have liked them a lot more had I not been up to my ears with them due to these forums

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Tom Morello is excellent. He's very creative with his guitars. He was best in Rage, but he's still good in AudioSlave.


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Ah, Dire Straits just popped up on my iPod. Used to love them...

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Quote: "onny Greenwood... I just love how he soundscapes and uses every square millimeter of the guitar to make nifty sounds and whatnot."


Oooh, interesting.. Getting creative,one of my methods



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@Dazzag

I have a friend that thinks Dire Straits suck because Mark Knopfler wouldn't win guitarist of the year. My opinion - rubbish, he may not be able to shred like Petrucci, but it's rare that you can find someone to make such cool sounding tunes like that. I say go Mark Knopfler!

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Mark Knopfler also plays with his fingers which is pretty cool. I first heard Dire straights when I was about 8. I got teased alot at school though, because I didn't like the spice girls, east 17 or take that. It's so satisfying watching your friends admit they were wrong.

Although I havn't listened to them in about 5 years, if it wasn't for them, I wouldn't like rock music today. I might get out those old CDs later. They were good.

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Quote: "Mark Knopfler also plays with his fingers which is pretty cool."

Uhh... clarify? I thought all guitarists played with their fingers

I do like his style though, the Dire Straits over Spice Girls anyday

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Quote: "Uhh... clarify? I thought all guitarists played with their fingers"


You know what I mean*....

*For those who don't, I mean he doesn't use a pick.

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So he fingerpicks? Just about every guitarist can fingerpick, so I don't see how thats impressive I like him, just not for that reason

Bahamut, is IceBound your band?

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And when I say he fingerpicks, it's impressive because it gives him a different sound to most other guitarists. It's not impressive that he can finger pick, its more how he does it.
Also, using a pick is widely accepted to be the easier method.

Yes, IceBound is my band. We're in the process of recording a demo the cheapskate way (cubase).

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Neat band, much better than most local bands I've heard on myspace, don't know if a Strat is the right sound for you guys, but its good! keep it up!

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Thanks! We'll be putting loads of new stuff up there over the coming months. I'm not too happy with my performance on the new recording though (I'm the drummer). It was rushed and I'm out of practise.


To keep things vaguely on topic:

I've been meaning to reply to this since it was written.

Quote: "i would also add that a lot of the classical guitarists are very good players "




I think Richie Blackmore (very under-rated, far better than Steve Morse) started with classical guitar, so it must have some advantages . I think being able to play a range of styles is important though, what ever kind of music or instrument you play. It helps my drumming alot to play styles that I'd never even consider listening to.

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Quote: "I mean he doesn't use a pick."


I do that when I lose mine ...

Picks are yes, easier. But sometimes, when learning something thats fast or more complex than what you usually play for the first time, its best (and in this case,easier) to use your fingers, and as you gradually master it, you use the pick.

Hey guys, just wanna make sure of something:

Whats the difference between X, PO(pull off) and H(hammer) ?

I know how to play all three, just dont know which symbol is for what.

And how john petrucci or any other guitarist strum so fast you can reach up to 8 strums per second?



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8 strums per second... Nice.



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X is the alm mute, Pull off is where, well, you pull a finger off so you play the note under that. Hammer is the opposite, the hit a note with your finger without plucking.

And 8 strums a second? Man, that's just practice. I think the fastest guy in the world does like 40 notes a second, but it kinda sounds horrible.

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Matt heafey & Cory Beaulieu from trivium.

Those guys are total genius'

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*shudders*

Nah, they're ok guitarists in their own right. I just don't like the band.

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Quote: "So he fingerpicks? Just about every guitarist can fingerpick, so I don't see how thats impressive I like him, just not for that reason "


Where there's nothing special in being to fingerpick a bit, there are people who take it a lot further than the Dire Straights and it's a great skill in itself. More than half of the guitarists on my list have an impressive right hand style, and produce music that require it. Many of their pieces have a bass line going along at the same time as playing a melodic part, all on one guitar. Their styles of playing simply aren't possible without some pretty rigorous picking techniques.
(Note too Guitarists: Much of this wasn't possible in standard tuning, but alternatives like DADGAD freed the British "folk baroque" guitarists to produce sophisticated, complex arrangements for the instrument. They gave a freedom to use the high strings for melodic play and harmonically link them to the bass strings with ease.)

I also think there's far too much focus on who can chop the fastest licks on this thread over who you'd genuinely prefer to listen too. Take David Gilmour for example. He can't play with great speed, but his skill is in playing emotively. His ability is in producing expressionate music that I'd rather hear than the masturbatory flair Of Steve Vai and the like.

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Quote: "X is the alm mute,"

X is NOT palm mute, X is a dead note where you deaden the note with your left hand. Palm muting will still have a distinct sound of which note you are fretting (or not), where as deadening a note will kill it leaving only a slight overtone of a frequency.

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Anybody ever hear of Andy Gill of Gang Of Four? One of my favorite guitarests of all time.

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You know whos really underrated? Alex Lifeson.

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Quote: "X is a dead note where you deaden the note with your left hand. "


So you're saying this:

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Is deadening the note,as in to completely disable it? Im talking about the (symbol) that if used, directs the player to do something between pressing the string all the way down and playing it open.

And I dont think its Palm Mute, palm mute is like for acoustic songs, where you play some music and every three seconds your right hand to stop all the strings from ringing and to hit the guitar lightly to make some sort of drum rythum. Used in hip romantic songs. Im talking about that "bom bom" effect, you know,

like in Seether's Truth :

Main Riff
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-10 9 x x x 9 7 x x x 7 5 x x x 2 x x 5
(simplified version)

and in Linkin Park's Points of Authority:

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-2 2 x x x 0 2 2h3 0 2 2 x x 0 2 x 0 x 3 2
-2 2 x x x 0 2 2h3 0 2 2 x x 0 2 x 0 x 3 2
(tabbed it myself ;D)



that X is supposed to make some sort of a drum tune (used like hell in death metal) out of a normal note. And I Dont think its called Palm Mute (you're not using you whole palm)

Seve?



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i'm a bassist and my favourite bassists would have to be Garry Tallent of the E-Street Band and Micheal Balzary of the red hot chilli peppers, two very different but very good bassists.

my favourite guitarist would have to be either Bruce Springsteen, Nils Lofgren or John Fruscianti (sp?)

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John Petrucci. Hands down.

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Yay, finally someone who's not stereotypical !



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I uploaded a .midi which should describe the differences.

The first 2 measures use nothing
The second 2 measures use palm muting
The third 2 measures use dead notes

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Jimmy is back?!?

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Wow, there are people here that actually play guitar
I've been playing for about 10-11 months but can play and solo pretty well.

Bahamut you got a nice band going there. Have you been touring alot or just recording?

My personal favorite guitarist is Jimi Hendrix. He was an amazing song writter and preformer(lighing guitar on fire ) He soloed in many different modes, most in pentatonic though. And yes, he was able to sing along "whilst" doing his "scales".

I've tried playing non-rhythm guitar when singing, and it is hard without much practice. For instance, Voodoo Child, Jimi plays the vocal part on the guitar while singing during the few verses.

Jimmy Page was also pretty good, but not as as Hendrix. He was a very talented blues guitarist though, especially in songs like Gallows Pole and In My Time of Dying.

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Quote: "lighing guitar on fire"


So thats how he died. It all makes sense now



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Some of my other personal favorites are James Iha of The Smashing Pumpkins and Joey Santiago of The Pixies. Bernard Albrecht/Sumner (first being his stage name) of Joy Division did a great job with bassist Peter Hook.

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Looks good. Keep up the gd work and upload the band to some place like myspace or purevolume.



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Hey Matt, how is the band doing now? Last I heard you were supposed to get a recording at the next practice, which was about a month and a half ago

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Quote: ""Turns out Joe Satriani is Steve's mentor! And I thought Steve was the best there was.""

Joe taught alot of people including Kirk Hammet, who is pretty damn good

Quote: "micheal angelo is very good"

Technically I think he is the best player I have ever heard, each note perfect, but no style might as well just plug the notes into a computer.

Quote: "You know whos really underrated? Alex Lifeson"

By the general public sure, but by another guitarist almost never, he is incredible.

Few others

Dimebag Darrell
Jim Martin
Jerry Cantrell
Vito Bratta
Akira Takasashi
Reb Beach
Warren Dimartini
Marty Friedman
Mark Gallagher
Ritchie Sambora

God I could go on forever with my influences, don't play as much as I used to, wish I had more time. Now I think I will go listen to some Maiden.
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Jake Blues
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Quote: "So thats how he died. It all makes sense now
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Actually, it was an overdose on sleeping pills that killed him

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Clapton

sid barrit, most people don't know it but he invented all of the crazy things Hendrix did. Hendrix had toured with pink floyd and learned many things from sid. In case you don't know who sid barrit is; he was the original lead guitar player for pink floyd, he had to leave the band after he went off the deep end. He had a little case of schizophrenia to start off with and he made it worse for him self by taking a load of acid.

Hendrix
steve winwood
kenny wayne shepherd
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bb king

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