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Xander
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Posted: 28th Jan 2007 21:34
Quote: "ok, sony's online thing (whatever its called) dosent even use headsets, so u basically play monotone all the time u play multiplayer, no rumble feature in the controller. and with all seriousness my friend uses the ps3 to message his feet while he plays 360 or the wii, because it rumbles so much."


There is sooo much I could say about this. But I will only say a little bit. First, look up the word monotone. Next, read over what you just wrote. You wrote that there is no rumble feature in the controller, which I believe is correct. Now read your last sentence. "...because it rumbles so much." Does that make any sense.

I am not a fan of the PS3. But that just went a little too far for me to let it pass with no comment.

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Posted: 28th Jan 2007 21:35
He said the console rumbles so much.

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Posted: 28th Jan 2007 21:40
I never thought of that. I suppose it might make a very good foot massager. Sorry about that...

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Posted: 28th Jan 2007 21:43
Or a George Foreman grill... http://www.therealps3grill.com/ps3grillpics.htm

See? The PS3 is superior, it makes hamburgers!


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Posted: 28th Jan 2007 22:26 Edited at: 28th Jan 2007 22:27
No headset for the PS3? I beg to differ...




Know what I want to see? An eyetoy for the Wii. How friggin' awesome would that be! Not that the new PS3 eyetoy is bad or anything, in fact it's flat-out incredible, and the stuff they have planned for it later this year and early next year, from what I've seen in the PSU anyway, is breathtaking. But I bet the Wii could do some pretty dang cool stuff with an eyetoy and a nunchuck, it could equate to total submersion, which I've always been yearning for. I'll definitely give the Wii that, no question, the controller is cool. A little uncomfortable to me during extended gaming sessions, but impressive nevertheless.


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Posted: 28th Jan 2007 22:46
You don't need an eyetoy. You have a Wiimote.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 28th Jan 2007 22:52
Yeah, but the Wiimote doesn't put images of you on the screen I definitely dig the eyetoy, I just wish they had more stuff out for it.


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Posted: 28th Jan 2007 23:01
That's what Miis, however retarded, are for!


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 28th Jan 2007 23:22
Matt - Did you end up getting that Wii for Christmas? If so, which games?

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Posted: 28th Jan 2007 23:51
Didn't It ended up being a poker set that came in a box that was approximately the same size [grumble grumble]. First time I was let down by a christmas present lol. And it's pathetic because I'm 27 My mom went to get three Wii's (one for me, my older brother, and my younger sister) but she could only find two, and deemed it wrong to get it for two of us and not all three . Why does my sister need a Wii? lol. And to make matters worse, she said she was actually hoping to get a PS3 for each of us, and couldn't find any of them, which makes me 10x more upset I sort of wish I didn't know these things hehe. So yeah, now I'm stuck playing a friend's Wii until I can save up enough money to get one of my own (which gives me some time to figure out how to keep my girlfriend from using it all the time).


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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 02:19
I see. I try to be helpful by pointing out where people have got info wrong (e.g. sales figures, company valuations etc.), or by urging people to find information for themselves rather than rely on speculation and biased opinion, and I get nothing but 'he must be fanboy'. I actually didn't indend on buying any of the new consoles but I might actually get a PS3 now because it seems there may be a lot more free thinkers using them and a lot less sheep.
Quote: "Hmmm-- can't find that anywhere in this thread is what my point is"
Well, if you don't read the stories you link to in your own posts properly, I can't expect you to read other peoples I suppose.
Quote: "Do you think everything that's been announced in this thread is just heresay and non-factual, biased, etc.? If they're true, then they're true! Please point me to the articles with which you have linked to which say none of it is true."

I never said none of it is true, I said the majority of what has been written here is from peoples opinions, misinterpretation of reports or guess work. You will no doubt read whatever you want into that so repeating myself is pointless.
Lets start with your very first posting - Why are they continuously stooping to such lows, i.e. blatant lies?. 'Blatant lies'? This would mean that they knowingly printed false information. How can you possibly know that? You can't, it could have been an accident by them, or by Emmy, or by someone in between. Therefore what you wrote was not true. It was speculation.
Do you honestly think comments in this thread like 'ps3 sucks' is fact rather than personal opinion? Mmmm.
Quote: "Uh, yah, because according to the major game blogs Resistance is the "must-have" title for PS3."
And you only play games which blog sites praise? Shame.
Quote: "Can you let me know of any games that are out right now for PS3 that I should try instead?"
Once more with feeling... its not out here yet! When its been out over here a year (like the 360 has there), ask me again.
Quote: "Okay *noww* I understand. My sources are second hand interpreted postings, but your sources are legitimately backed up and notarized by Harvard lawyers. Got it."
Yeah, because that's what I said Your ability to read amazing things from simple sentences does amuse me.
Quote: "Care to comment, or are you convinced larger capacity discs = better games?"
And neither does faster access = better games. More storage space could = bigger games and better quality video footage.
Quote: "Alright, since you brought it up, list out how each of those are superior to the 360s with your top secret sources then get back to me."
Nothing top secret, just good research again.
The optical drive in the PS3 is 'next gen'. The one in the 360 isn't. It can store more which allows for bigger games and longer sequences of top quality video, as well as supporting more disc formats.
The controllers contain motion sensor technology. It is a shame they don't have rumble but then that technology is not exactly 'next gen' either, is it.
The floating point perfomance is much better. See the test results everywhere.
The gigabit networking hardware in the PS3 has one socket for network in, and two for network through/out. This allows it to act as a switch/hub and also to act as a network server/controller for other devices in the future (such as an IP camera or other network peripherals at gigabit speeds). It also has a built-in wireless network adapter, which the 360 doesn't.
Quote: "What I don't understand is how people like yourself can defend a brand until your dying day as if you're defending your own grandmother."
I am not defending the brand. I don't care about the Sony name and I don't own much made by them. All I am trying to do is to point out that if the company makes mistakes (who hasn't) then it doesn't automatically mean they have deliberately deceived everyone and their consoles must be based on lies. Admitedly you haven't actually said the PS3 is inferior but others have.
Please don't ask me to go through this thread again asking for links and such... just read it without inserting your own meanings. It will save us both a lot of time.
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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 02:58
All I can say is--- I really hope you're not on a debate team and if you are, please don't quit your day job.

So far you have offered no evidence, and you are criticizing me for playing games that websites are praising. And there's a problem with this? Am I supposed to dig through the pile of games to find a jewel that the sites have overlooked? With what, 10 games!?

Are you under the impression that I can't criticize the PS3 because it's not out in Europe yet? Well, I don't live in Europe, and it's out here, so I can gripe about it if I feel like it

Quote: "When its been out over here a year (like the 360 has there), ask me again."


So you're admitting that I should wait a year to ask about the great PS3 games, and you've stated that your top secret sources have said the PS3 is capable of better graphics than the 360. If you ask me, a fanboy is someone who buys into hype before seeing something with his/her own eyes. Maybe *you* need to wait for a pretty PS3 game before blindly defending it--- logical, no?

I see Gears of War and Viva Pinata on my 360 right now at this moment.

Oh and by the way, the PS4 is supposed to kick ass--- they say it'll be 5 times faster than the Xbox 720, and I can't wait to buy it!!

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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 03:11 Edited at: 29th Jan 2007 03:13
Quote: "All I can say is--- I really hope you're not on a debate team and if you are, please don't quit your day job."
What is this? A school playground?
Quote: "Am I supposed to dig through the pile of games to find a jewel that the sites have overlooked?"
If you are going to base your entire opinion of a console on a single game, then yes!
Quote: "Are you under the impression that I can't criticize the PS3 because it's not out in Europe yet?"
Not at all. Gripe all you like, but perhaps you should base it on something more than a single game and peoples blogs.
Quote: "So you're admitting that I should wait a year to ask about the great PS3 games,"
Yes, it would be farer to give it the same amount of time for game development that the 360 has had. 'Top secret sources'? What? Yes, my CIA KGB IKEA sources feed me lots of info on consoles.
Quote: "If you ask me, a fanboy is someone who buys into hype before seeing something with his/her own eyes."
And what would call someone who slags something off without proper testing?
Quote: "Maybe *you* need to wait for a pretty PS3 game before blindly defending it--- logical, no?"
Why? Am I not allowed to post corrections and suggestions without being accused of 'defending' Sony? Where have I given my opinion on the console - whether its good or bad? Nowhere.
Quote: "Oh and by the way, the PS4 is supposed to kick ass--- they say it'll be 5 times faster than the Xbox 720, and I can't wait to buy it!!"
Got that from a blog, did you?
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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 03:55
Quote: "All I can say is--- I really hope you're not on a debate team and if you are, please don't quit your day job."


Jeku, while I think your points are actually well researched and valid, your ad hominem remarks (you too Zappo) bring this from an interesting debate to what looks to be headed for a flame war.

Quote: "The optical drive in the PS3 is 'next gen'. The one in the 360 isn't. It can store more which allows for bigger games and longer sequences of top quality video, as well as supporting more disc formats."


Two words-- New Coke!
Next Gen != Better.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 04:14
This is utterly ridiculous. Jeku is completely right, none of you defending the PS3 have given any substantial evidence to back up any of your almost comical claims. I'm sorry, but you guys are obviously so encumbered by Sony fanboyism that you refuse to admit anything wrong with the PS3 when there is a quite a long list of grievances available. I'll admit, the PS3 has potential, but as of right now there is nothing pushing the system. Also stop saying the playstation online service is better than XBL, because as much as you would like it to be, it's not.

Anyway the entire purpose of this thread is about the stupid executive decisions, such as claiming that they won an award for the SIXAXIS controller (Why is it in all caps? Someone should tell the execs that's a really noobish thing to do) when it was actually an award for the dual shock analogue controller in a Sony sponsored event that Nintendo boycotted anyway. Timeless sayings such as "RIIIIIIDGE RACER! GO!" come to mind.


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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 05:09
Honestly, the only reason I'm resorting to childish comments is because I feel like I've hit a brick wall. If I say that I've played the PS3 game that gaming blogs have said is the quintessential game on the system, and disliked it, I get flamed for listening to gaming blogs I apologize to Zappo if I offended him and I won't say anything else on the subject.

I feel like I am well versed on the topic of video games, being an avid collector of new/old systems, and having a few commercial games under my belt. Nowhere did I say "do not buy a PS3 because it's crap." I started the thread merely to vent at yet another shameless Sony guffaw, and that is all. Somewhere the Sony fanboys have come out of the woodwork with no substantial evidence, claiming that I get all my information from game blogs and magazines

Anyways, I have said all I can say on why I believe the PS3 is not a more powerful machine than the 360. You can say things about network bridges, GPUs, and optical drives, but if the best looking game on a PS3 is a GT tech demo, then I am merely stating that I'll save my money. Oh, and the shops here raised the price of a PS3 from $659 to $699, which is laughable when there's boxes of them on the floor unsold.

And I'll say this again, that I don't care about name brands, so if a killer app puzzle game or adventure game comes out on the PS3, and it's an affordable console, I will not hesitate to buy it. I waited half a year to get a 360 until I just had to play Geometry Wars in my place

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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 05:29
I would say to anyone who believes the Playstation 3 is "More Powerful" than the Xbox 360,. just develop on them both for one day.

In order to get anything useful from the Playstation 3, it requires time and a true dedication. You might also want to take the time to review the specifications more closely, particularly the design of the console.

People claimed the Xbox was a PC in consoles clothes, honestly this is far more of the Playstation 3. Hell Sony have even released kits to allow you use it as a damn desktop computer.

Setup alone, is a nightmare (unless you're using SD with Stereo audio output)

Everything about the console is just plain wrong, and Sony's constant attempt at trying to hype it more; is back-firing now causing them problems. I seriously doubt seeing them long enough to see a Playstation 4.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 14:36
You know who Zappo reminds me of? OnePost! Is it him?


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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 14:56 Edited at: 29th Jan 2007 15:01
Quote: "none of you defending the PS3 have given any substantial evidence to back up any of your almost comical claims."
Well, my intention was not to appear to be 'defending' anything, just trying to show that there are many myths and incorrect conclusions being jumped to around the console and company. I am pretty sure I have just posted facts about the console and details about the company value etc. to back up my points. I don't think I have posted any of my own personal opinions but if I am wrong, please quote where I said it. <Edit> Please post details of these 'comical claims' too, I think I missed them.</edit>
Quote: "Honestly, the only reason I'm resorting to childish comments is because I feel like I've hit a brick wall."
I feel exactly the same way. Although I have enjoyed this banter (and had quite a few laughs along the way ), I can see it heading somewhere we don't want it to go.
Quote: "I apologize to Zappo if I offended him and I won't say anything else on the subject."
Don't worry, you haven't offended me. I too apologise if I went overboard. Definately time to call it a day on this conversation, at least until the Xbox 1024, PS5 and WiiIII come out
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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 15:47
UT 2007 (or UT III as it is called - pretty dumb - it's the fourth), confirmed for 360, as if that was going to surprise anyone. Anyway it's good know, seeing as it's only been played on PS3s so far.

The trailer says "from the studio that brought you Gears of War". That's not going to go down to well with the Sonyists.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 18:32
Quote: "I am pretty sure I have just posted facts about the console and details about the company value etc. to back up my points."


Just have to ask where the facts are to back up the internal hardware of a PS3 (network, optical disc, etc.) and how it's superior to the 360? Still looking for that. Also, the pretty PS3 game that confirms the PS3 is capable of better graphics. I mean, we wouldn't want to just buy into Sony hype after all, right? There must be some conclusive evidence.

The system is out here already and there are reviews for all of the games, so you can post to one of them. I obviously don't fault you for not playing the system (if it's not out where you are), but the rest of the world certainly has had the ability.

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Here's a link to a table which discusses the PS3's, XBox360's (and Wii's specs:

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/xbox360_vs_ps3.asp

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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 19:36
An interesting thing, in talking to an aquaintance that works at EB it seems alot of their Gamecube games are now selling out, some many months old as well as Gamecube controllers.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 20:54
You may notice the slow (for a console this powerful) memory bandwidth on the PS3's graphics hardware - why?


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 21:23
Thanks, Zappo, for setting back the Playstation movement 20 or 30 years.


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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 22:02
Thanks for the link, Kentaree. It seems to go back and forth between systems depending on how you look at it, and that's only if you go by numbers alone.

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Quote: "Thanks, Zappo, for setting back the Playstation movement 20 or 30 years."


So somewhere between pong and VCS

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Quote: "Just have to ask where the facts are to back up the internal hardware of a PS3 (network, optical disc, etc.) and how it's superior to the 360?"
The hardware specs were released some time ago. There are many sites which list them and many with the 360 hardware specs. Just compare the two. Kentaree's link shows this too (apart from the ethernet ports on the PS3 which it doesn't list fully). <edit>I have also read conflicting reports on the ethernet on the 360. Some say it's 100Mbit (like this site) and others say its 1Gigabit. Perhaps someone can confirm this? Nice find Kentaree.</edit>
Just out of interest, which part of "I won't say anything else on the subject" did you mean then? Just kidding.
Quote: "Thanks, Zappo, for setting back the Playstation movement 20 or 30 years."
Right. I appreciate your estimation of my powers. For my next trick I intend to take televisions back to black and white, the Internet back to morse code, and force cars to have a man walk infront with a flag.
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Quote: "Just out of interest, which part of "I won't say anything else on the subject" did you mean then?"


Ahh, that was referring to my commenting on your hype and debate skills (or lack thereof). Kidding of course

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And I am still waiting for you to let me know which game to play on PS3 that shows it's capable of having better graphics than the 360. Use Gamespot or IGN if you must.

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Duh Killzone 2.

Oh wait...

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Quote: "And I am still waiting for you to let me know which game to play on PS3 that shows it's capable of having better graphics than the 360."
You'll have a while to wait then I was refering to its technical specs and the comments about its potential. I doubt there is a game out yet which can be directly compared to (and beat) one on the 360 so I won't risk the flames and try. To be honest, I would rather see for myself anyway than rely on other peoples reviews.
Give it a years development time though like the 360 has had, and we can revisit it and see what people are coming up with then.
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Does anyone know what EDRAM is about? I know it stands for embedded ram, but both the Wii and the PS3 have it, and it's lightning fast. Would it make much of a difference in performance, in the description for the PS3 in my link it says its used for the framebuffer, so there's faster frame flipping I'd imagine, but does anyone have a better idea?

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I know EDRAM is usually manufactured in the same package as a processor, rather than having the memory separate like DRAM modules. Thats how it manages to get such huge speeds out of it. Not exactly sure what its primary use is in the consoles though.
There is a nice explanation from NEC here.
Edit: It appears NVidia were advertising not long ago an employment vacancy for a Senior EDRAM Design Engineer.
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Quote: "Give it a years development time though like the 360 has had, and we can revisit it and see what people are coming up with then."


But we can already see what people are going to be coming up with then - MGS4.

It looks a tiny bit better than Splinter Cell, and far worse than Gears and all the other UE3 games.

The best looking game on PS3 coming out in the next would appear to be UT III. It will of course look identical on 360.

And also, you still haven't pointed out where this extra untapped potential is meant to be coming from. What aspect of the PS3s specs allows it to have games that look superior to their 360 counterparts?

Again, this is not anti-Sony, the question could just as easily be 'What aspect of 360s specs allow it to have games that look better than PS3?'

The answer to both is nothing.

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Please remember that people have different opinions as to what has better graphics. Not everyone may agree with you. There was a thread comparing screenshots of the PS3 and 360 on here a while ago which led to disagreements. Some like sharp edges and others like them blurred, some like the darker atmospheric look and others like brighter displays where you can see the detail. "Personal preference" is the key phrase.
Quote: "What aspect of the PS3s specs allows it to have games that look superior to their 360 counterparts?"
Well, if a game is coming out on both they will probably look pretty much identical. As myself and others have mentioned before, this will be due to the extra work involved to customize versions for each platform to take advantage of what each one does best. Its sadly not seen as worthy.
If you want an arguments as to who produces the best graphics chipsets (ATI or NVidia) or whether a faster GPU chip can be beaten by some other aspect of the system, then you are out of luck. I won't partake. If you want my personal opinion (and this is just my opinion now) I think the cell processor could do some wonderful things if its properly taken advantage of, especially when combined with everything else. We will have to wait and see if it is taken advantage of, but in the mean time some people are saying that the best game out for the PS3 is Motorstorm. Click here for a video of it from GameTrailers. Looks very nice and more importantly, its supposed to play great too.
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Posted: 30th Jan 2007 21:27
Yah, MotorStorm is a beautiful game, but *NOTHING* like the supposed "in-game" footage from E3 '05.

Plus, they promised us 1080p action @ 60fps, but it's been downgraded to 720p @ 30fps. Hmmm....

But Zappo, if you're waiting for a year before decent competition-beating PS3 games, what is your interest in the system now? I'm too lazy to look (I'm at work now) but didn't you say you are going to buy one? Just curious.

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GameTrailers has an awesome comparison video of E3 2005 vs Actual Game.

This was the thing that originally turned me off PS3. There's a thread somewhere where someone (Raven I think) said the Killzone trailer was faked, and I defended Sony - saying it was ingame - because I didn't have any reason not to trust what they said. I realise now that they were trying to con me into thinking PS3 could do stuff 360 couldn't.

It's not that they promised something and it never came, they actually said that a video they had was ingame when they *knew* it wasn't.

What a difference a year makes when you look at E3 2005 and E3 2006. In retrospect it is hilarious.

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Quote: "But Zappo, if you're waiting for a year before decent competition-beating PS3 games, what is your interest in the system now? I'm too lazy to look (I'm at work now) but didn't you say you are going to buy one? Just curious."
No, I said I hadn't planned on buying any of the new consoles. I have enjoyed computer games for decades now (jeeez, how old am I?) and like to keep up to date with release news and such but I just can't warrant buying a new console as I don't have much time to play them. Any spare time I have is usually spent doing freelance work. I am still trying to work my way through 'Family Guy' on the PS2 at the moment which I got for xmas. Woe is me
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Posted: 31st Jan 2007 00:13
I love how people thought that Killzone 2 and Motorstorm at E3 2005 were labeled as "in-game".
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Posted: 31st Jan 2007 03:41
Quote: "I love how people thought that Killzone 2 and Motorstorm at E3 2005 were labeled as "in-game"."


Maybe because it was labeled as in-game

And then I remember reading about how it was reworded to "represent what in-game *will* look like", which is a little less blatant.

And yes, I was one of those guys who was defending the video, with Raven one of the only guys saying it was faked. Funny, the irony in that situation

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Posted: 31st Jan 2007 05:36 Edited at: 31st Jan 2007 05:37
Yeah no they weren't. The only time I recall hearing someone call either of those games "in-game" was during an interview with the Exec. VP of SCEA. Even though two days before the interview the director of Killzone 2 stated in an interview the video was a representation of what they want it (not will) to look like. And Motorstorm was so obviously CGI, I don't know how anyone could have thought it was in-game.
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Posted: 31st Jan 2007 08:40
It's one thing to say it's obvious, and another to have someone from the company tell you something else.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2007 11:57
And, more importantly, why show anything if you have no real work to show? I could put together a video and whatnot of the best-looking, fastest MMORPG-style game ever, post it in the WIP boards, and naturally people will assume that's in game.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2007 14:32 Edited at: 31st Jan 2007 14:33
Thats something else that console and games manufacturers have done for years. Whether its just to generate interest and anticipation, or to give consumers something to look forward to so they don't buy from the competition, I don't know. I am guessing it must have worked in the past or they wouldn't still be doing it (or would they?). Going back to the 3DO for a moment, when they released news of the Bulldog addon (also known as the M2), all the supposed test footage showing polygon counts turned out to be all faked and prerendered. I don't think the addon ever got released in the end but it did its job and got the unsuspecting 3DO owners worked up at a time when they were losing customers.
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Posted: 31st Jan 2007 21:24
Yes, the M2 was supposed to be the next big thing (and 3DO sold the technology to Matsushita for over $100 million!). I don't recall anyone proving the movies were fake and prerendered, as nobody had the hardware in their hands in the first place

But I seriously think game companies should be fined and punished some way if they flat out lie to the consumer (and it's proven that the intent was to lie). Showing pre-rendered footage and claiming it's in-game is intent to lie. We have marketing laws here in Canada where an advertiser is not allowed to flat out lie in a commercial, so it should be the same for E3, etc.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2007 21:28
@ Jeku:

It's the same here in the EU, guess they can get away with it in America though.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2007 22:04
Quote: "It's the same here in the EU, guess they can get away with it in America though. "


Likely the never got called on it because "truth in advertising" and "dummy clauses" (i.e a car comercial where the car was crowd surfing had to have the disclaimer "Cars drive on roads, not people.") are a big thing here. Anyone remember the Pepsi commercial where you had to collect points from caps to get certain prizes and as a joke at the end they showed a kid in a harrier jet and said "1 million points". Well a guy that worked in a redemption center collected the million points and Pepsi had to give him the cash value of a harrier (I suppose since they would not be allowed to buy one and give it to a shmuck on the street.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2007 23:07
The cash value of a harrier?!? I doubt that - it would be about $100 million.

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