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Indicium
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Quote: "You would think that those two would be interchangeable since they're implementing the same thing(C++ standard library)"


I have literally no idea - I tried everything I could.
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Quote: "Like, show me one document produced by Microsoft that clearly states naming conventions of debug/release DLLs and where they are placed, naming conventions of static libs and where are placed, where header files go, where user data goes, where cmake modules are placed, etc."


Why should Microsoft dictate how you manage your projects? Store libs and headers where you want, it doesn't matter apart from in the case of Linux dorks that force everyone to compile their software instead of just providing a binary.

As for conventions on where applications and data should be placed, yes such documents exist, though it takes a bit of searching to find them. If people had followed conventions there wouldn't have been so much fuss when UAC was implemented.

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Quote: "Quote:"Especially cozza UAC now."

Could you elaborate on that?"

Because of permissions, you can't write to "Program Files [(x86)]" without jumping through an MS-hoop. So it's becoming a trend to install older stuff to "%userprofile%/MyApp/" for example. As you said in your most recent post "had people followed the spec..." but people's behavior is always undefined.

Look, Linux isn't ideal or necessarily always consistent. However I it hides it better because of package management and db/config files. Consequently, removing software completely is much more easily achievable without affecting other components, behavior is more predictable, integration is easier, etc.

Personally I think that shared objects are redundant because modern hardware has the capacity to store 10 copies of the same D3D libs, 1 for each game. I'm all for full modularity: big-ass apps that eat disk space because they keep all their dependencies in their directory. I also like the idea of "jailing" apps. Modular systems would be great but I do acknowledge the argument about bloat, too.

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Only losers vote for other parties. Don't be a loser; vote nASA and save yourself the humiliation of being labeled a loser.
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Indicium
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Quote: " I also like the idea of "jailing" apps."


OSX is for you then. :-P
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Posted: 9th Jun 2014 21:47 Edited at: 9th Jun 2014 21:51
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Quote: "Personally I think that shared objects are redundant because modern hardware has the capacity to store 10 copies of the same D3D libs, 1 for each game."


But that's exactly the problem all package managers solve. The only reason this is even an issue is because Windows is a useless pile of crap when it comes to managing dependencies.

If you install a game on Linux, the package manager builds a dependency tree and installs everything the game requires without fuss.

Windows does this awkward thing where the majority of all software is shipped with all dependencies packaged into an installer. The result is that they are usually humongous in size.

So my argument is: Shared objects are great in an ideal world where everything declares its dependencies, and I think that's a much better solution to work towards than packaging redundant software.

[EDIT] If anyone here happens to be developing a cross platform multi-player RTS game using the lockstepping network model, you may want to check this out: http://gafferongames.com/networking-for-game-programmers/floating-point-determinism/

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Dar13
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Quote: "Store libs and headers where you want, it doesn't matter apart from in the case of Linux dorks that force everyone to compile their software instead of just providing a binary."

If you're getting software from a repository, and you're not on Gentoo, then you're getting a binary. If it's outside of the repository, then it's quite hard to provide binaries due to the different versions of libs that the application relies on. A commonly run into problem is that libc or X.Org is not new enough or old enough for the application to run as it is expecting a certain version.

Basically if you stick to the repositories you'll almost never have to deal with compiling from source. And even if you do compile from source it's rarely more than './configure' followed by a 'make install' or 'make all'.

Now if you want to gripe about Linux, there's nothing quite as bad as dealing with video drivers. Especially the proprietary ones. Such a pain in my ***.

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Posted: 9th Jun 2014 22:44 Edited at: 9th Jun 2014 22:54
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Quote: "Remember to vote nASA as we're the most elaborate party!"


And for Posting Competition Senator Zach Goodwin.

Or perhaps a better one would be community leader

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Dark Java Dude 64
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As far as I know, community leaders are presidents who have ended their terms.

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Indicium
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Don't get your hopes up lads, I'll be winning this election.
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Quote: "As far as I know, community leaders are presidents who have ended their terms."


Well there has to be something I could be voted as besides President and Vice President.

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I have never seen anyone voted anything else!! Perhaps you could be voted a valued member, or maybe even a community leader? I'm sure the site admins wouldn't mind putting a badge on you if you did get voted into one of those positions.

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Valued member would be great as well. But I wonder if the admins would agree. Who are they so I can get in contact with them?

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Dark Java Dude 64
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Well I don't think it would be so much a matter of the mods' agreement. If a majority of regular forum folk voted you to that status, the mods would be morally obliged to give you the badge. I think.

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Quote: "Because of permissions, you can't write to "Program Files [(x86)]" without jumping through an MS-hoop."


So you're getting it backwards. UAC is a problem for people because they aren't following standards (and are writing to protected directories), not the other way around.

Quote: "So my argument is: Shared objects are great in an ideal world where everything declares its dependencies, and I think that's a much better solution to work towards than packaging redundant software."


Agreed.

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Only the President and VP are by popular vote. All other badges are at Moderator discretion.

-Keith

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The mods are highly democratic, folks!

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nonZero
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Posted: 10th Jun 2014 11:29 Edited at: 10th Jun 2014 11:31
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Quote: "OSX is for you then. :-P "

It really would be if it was more flexible and open. In fact years back, before I got into Linux, I was considering it for the better security model. I'm glad I got into Linux though, I learned more having to do things the hard way and I also discovered the joys (and costs) of building your own system. There's probably an alternate universe where I only own a Mac.

Quote: " So my argument is: Shared objects are great in an ideal world where everything declares its dependencies... "

And it's an argument I agree with. However, this is not a perfect world. We're at a point where storage is no issue. Modularity has other benefits: libanana6 need not have legacy support for libanana3, for example. You may find that OpenGL, for example, would have a lot less bloat if they didn't try and maintain compatibility.

Quote: "Now if you want to gripe about Linux, there's nothing quite as bad as dealing with video drivers."

And wireless drivers and soundcard drivers.

Quote: " So you're getting it backwards. UAC is a problem for people because they aren't following standards..."

Which is exactly what I said and why I said that if Xenix had been favoured over MSDOS, it wouldn't have been an issue.

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Posted: 10th Jun 2014 13:24 Edited at: 10th Jun 2014 13:38
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Quote: "You may find that OpenGL, for example, would have a lot less bloat if they didn't try and maintain compatibility."

Amen.



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Hi I'm new here. I didn't know where to post a greeting thread bcoz there isn't a place like on other forums. Anyway i just wanted to say hi and introduce myself and this seems to be a thread to post anything you want so i think it's safe here.
So hello everyone. I'm a beginner programmer and i only use windows but i see hear you all hate it. I agree windows 8 is dreadful but i really love 7. For me 7 is the best ever and i don't think i will change. Mac is too expensive and linux is not user friendly at all, even ubuntu and linux mint.

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[i][/i][/b][b][/b][b][b][/b][u][/u]

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Quote: "Only the President and VP are by popular vote. All other badges are at Moderator discretion."


I suppose the Filmmaker's Party was pointless.

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No, I life's about what you get out of it. Filmmaker's Party was pointful.

So is nASA. We support all pointless, pointful and partially-pointed parties and individuals.

Only losers vote for other parties. Don't be a loser; vote nASA and save yourself the humiliation of being labeled a loser.
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No Santa, it's no "Gifts" it's "Jifts"

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Guys this is a new surprise, Fallout 2 works WAY BETTER on Windows 8.1 than 7. I don't even have to download the monotonous unofficial patches and replay the game. I think Microsoft is listening to us gamers.

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Wine HQ says it works well in Wine on linux without any patches

I find it really weird that some older games work better on an unofficial windows "emulator" than on a new version of windows

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nonZero
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All your game are belong to us.

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Maybe it's because my posts don't appear. I hope i wasn't being completely ignored...
I'm new and I'm just saying hello. I don't know how this posting competition works so i will just post things, maybe someone will say hi back.

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The Zoq2
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Hi wasp, your posts won't show up immedietly while you are on post moderation. The system is there to avoid spam but if you post normally, the moderation will be turned off soon.

The posting competition is pretty simple. Every 10 posts give you points (next one is 41,830 then 41840). You get more points for posts that are divisible by 50 give more points, posts divisible by 100 gives even more and so on. If you doublepost, you will loose half of your points so try not to do that. Every 50 posts counts as a page and can be claimed. The first person to make a post containing the word "page" after 50 posts will get some extra points

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Quote: "Maybe it's because my posts don't appear. I hope i wasn't being completely ignored...
I'm new and I'm just saying hello. I don't know how this posting competition works so i will just post things, maybe someone will say hi back."

Hello, and welcome to the cesspool that is The Posting Competition. Zoq pretty much summed up the rules, but you can always check the first post for the full list.


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No wait... I still had to download patches for that game...

My gosh there are so many bugs in the original Fallout games.

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Thanks The Zoq2 and budokaiman. I have read the first post and there are lots of rules. It's like insane, lol. Anyway, i guess i shall post here now just coz this is a posting competition for posting stuff right?

Here is something random:
sdjkfhkjshdfkasdhfjklnheafuegfnsdgafngcksdfaxghasdjkfgnfgewuygnwe

I did the same thing my typing teacher used to do in high school only when she did it, words would be on the screen. I always sucked at typing class btw.

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Quote: "Anyway, i guess i shall post here now just coz this is a posting competition for posting stuff right?"
You got it my man (edit you've signed a couple posts with 'Liz'; maybe you aren't a man ). Post literally anything you can think of, and it's welcome here. Of course, as long as it follows the (overly) stringent AUP. The AUP isn't really that bad, actually.

Quote: "I always sucked at typing class btw."
Who's good at typing class? I type faster than most with my highly optimized multi-finger hunting and pecking technology.

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Quote: " "

I completely disagree with you on that statement and it's highly offensive. GTFO (the F stands for "Frick" in this forum).

Also, why am I stuck waiting for a bus nearly an hour after arriving when there's supposed to be one each 20 minutes? Logically there should have been 3. Is this a grand bus conspiracy against me? There's a creepy kid staring at me, too. If I stared like that at him I'd be locked up. You go figure.

Edit: My bad, it's been ~45 minutes, I arrived 9ish.

Be cool, vote nASA (nonZero's Awesomeness-Spreading Association), have more fun here. Be an uncool loser, vote someone else, have a boring forum.
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Dark Java Dude 64
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The idea of posting in the Posting Competition from a bus stop in Africa... The idea fascinates me (in a good way)!!! Gotta love mobile technology and the Internet.

You do live in SA, right?

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@Wasp - L is best anime character

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Quote: "The idea of posting in the Posting Competition from a bus stop in Africa... The idea fascinates me (in a good way)!!! Gotta love mobile technology and the Internet.

You do live in SA, right?"


Yes I do. But it ain't a bus stop, it's a station. City of Cape Town wanted to have better public transport. They can't afford an underground -- or any decent trains -- so they brought in the Rapid Transport system which are buses with their own lanes. There are stops and stations and it runs off cards.

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Yes, L is pretty awesome.

Be cool, vote nASA (nonZero's Awesomeness-Spreading Association), have more fun here. Be an uncool loser, vote someone else, have a boring forum.
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Thank you for the points.

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Good, my sig works

Click my sig and copy-paste this: I vote for nonZero
into that thread if I've been of service to you or you think I'm cute/awesome/etc.
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Quote: "You got it my man (edit you've signed a couple posts with 'Liz'; maybe you aren't a man )."

I'm not a man unless my parents have lied to me and my whole life was a lie?

Quote: "@Wasp - L is best anime character"

TheComet, you watch anime too? That's awesome. I saw your pony avatar and i assumed you'd just like ponies, guess i was wrong.
And yes, L is awesome!!! He's on my top 10 anime guys list (i hope this doesn't make the guys uncomfortable here, it makes my male friends get up set) and i would sooo love a bf like that

aaaaaah! The quote tags don't work properly but i had to start using the old forum because the new one killed my post today and i couldn't log in just now. I'm off moderation too finally! YEEEEEAAAAH!

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Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.

Guys, the best Anime character is quite clearly Viral, Haruka Harahura, Simon the Digger, or Spike Spiegel.

Or Faye Valentine...Nonon Jakuzure...Nui Harime...

Stop me, please...
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Haruka annoyed me a little. She's too hyper and it's hard to keep up with her

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Viral and Spike are probably my two favourites. I liked that Haruko was so...strange, though. Then again, that whole series was pretty strange...
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Wait, how come when I want to talk anime, not a soul in site. Newbie appears and suddenly it's in to be otaku.
Btw, Kamina > Simon, IMHO. Viral was cool, too. Haruka was cool, but Lucy is better. Mikasa is pretty cool too.

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I got into Anime during my hiatus, please don't hurt me! xD

I really liked Viral as an enemy turned friend, but it's that little moment where you see his dream world of a wife and kid that really sets his character apart for me. Especially with his immortality.

When Kamina died, I was...well, very, very sad. A little worse with Kittan due to how incredibly epic his outro was.
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Quote: "I saw your pony avatar and i assumed you'd just like ponies, guess i was wrong."

No you're totally right. I only like ponies. I sit in my mom's basement wearing a fedora and sip a glass of red wine while I enjoy the latest episode, wondering how anyone could ever watch anything else other than My Little Pony and why I have such class. Girls love neck beards and mine is as fluffy as ever.

[/sarcasm]

Nah man, I like loads of things other than ponies. Ponies is simply a huge focal point of mine because I like controversial things.

I just finished watching Redline, I love over dramatic animation. It's on the same level as Kill La Kill as far as animation goes.

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Comet, you sound like the few bronies I've met IRL! There's a reason I distance myself from the fanbase.

Quote: "It's on the same level as Kill La Kill as far as animation goes."


Sold!

Can I expect Nui Harime-type characters, or is that too much to ask? D:
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Quote: "I got into Anime during my hiatus, please don't hurt me! xD"

Well, welcome to otakudom. If you ever want something to watch, name your criteria and post away.

Quote: "I really liked Viral as an enemy turned friend, but it's that little moment where you see his dream world of a wife and kid that really sets his character apart for me."

Me too! It was a great series, TTGL, and I think it's one of the few that manages to combine OTT with comedy, drama, action, everything.

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