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Dar13
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Posted: 25th Jul 2014 16:27
Not quite, I have page!

MrValentine
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Posted: 25th Jul 2014 17:11
So I started building my own browser for the forums...

The Zoq2
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Posted: 25th Jul 2014 18:37
VIM is really nice once you get the hang of it. Allthough I do miss the 'IDE features' like autocomplete when using it. For terminal only stuff like SSH, it's really awesome though

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Dar13
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Posted: 25th Jul 2014 19:18
Vim does have auto complete plugins I believe. It uses Clang's parser IIRC.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2014 21:12
@The Zoq2
Quote: "And then you said this:"


Wow my comment completely contradicts what I said earlier without more context.

When I said: "It looks decent, but what exactly can you do with it that can not already be done through the normal Windows GUI?" I was trying to point out that Windows isn't command line driven and that the command line is a feature which sits on top of Windows, whereas in Linux it's the other way around. So any attempt at having a command line in Windows is an attempt to appropriate the functionality already present in the Windows GUI, where in Linux any attempt at having a GUI is an attempt to appropriate the functionality already present in the terminal.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2014 23:23
Making your own browser with your own links is so cool!

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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 00:24
pics or it never happened

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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 00:35 Edited at: 26th Jul 2014 00:46


Only just started with it, not even implemented scripting which I might skip...

Just makes moving around that slight bit faster...

EDIT

Mobile version



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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 02:26
Bit pointless.
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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 02:38
This post isn't pointless though.


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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 02:47
I made up a new word!!!!!!!!! 'Inexemptuously' is the word. It means 'of being not exempt'.

Everyone at the party was playing a game, but Johnny didn't want to. Inexemptuously, he played anyway.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 06:02
Quote: "Most computer users arn't that smart though"

Unfortunately, yes, this is correct


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Clonkex
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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 06:31
Quote: "The Windows command line is merely a toy in comparison, and as far as I can see, isn't even part of the operating system as a whole. It's just an application that runs inside Windows."


The Windows commandline is a leftover from the days of MS-DOS. Until Windows NT, Windows was a graphical interface over the top of MS-DOS, in pretty much the same way as Linux. You could control EVERYTHING through a command prompt because you were accessing the underlying OS. When Windows NT came along, MS scrapped the MS-DOS OS and rebuilt Windows as its own OS.

Nowadays, cmd is still a very useful tool, but nearly anything you can do at the prompt you can do through a GUI (although it's still extremely useful for automating stuff). The disadvantage is that although you can do nearly anything in a GUI that you can do in cmd, the opposite is not true. That's where PowerShell comes in.

Quote: "It is known that Microsoft collects information about your activities without your knowledge. It is known that Windows is able to execute arbitrary programs behind your back. The software you install on Windows is largely closed-source, and has the same potential to do things behind your back."


I actually like the fact that Windows can have silently running programs; it simplifies a lot of stuff just to have something being handled in the background, and if I'm unsure about a program, I can see every running program with Task Manager. I also don't see why closed-source programs are an issue; I don't want to modify the program, only use it, so what's the problem?

One of the greatest advantages by far of running Windows is the enormously never-ending range of programs and the fact that almost all programs are designed to run on Windows first and other OSs after.

Quote: "Compiling software on Windows is an absolute nightmare, and I know a lot of people who are scared of ever having to compile a program from source on Linux just because their Windows experience with compiling software was horrible."


Is it? I don't think so. Ok, so it's a bit of a disaster trying to compile source code from a person working primarily on Linux, because they rely on all these silly Make files that mean nothing in Windows. For some reason it seems everyone that uses Linux assumes Windows has built-in support for Make files and other Linuxy goodies. Annoying, to say the least. I don't see why we can't just have source code and a VS project file. Nothing more should be needed.

Quote: "Catching viruses or malware on Windows is way too easy. It is not a secure operating system in the slightest. Again, because there is no central package management."


Is it? I've only ever had one single virus, which I got through my own silly fault. I do not have anti-virus software, because I've never had issues, and when I do get a bit worried and install and run every anti-virus software just to check, my system is clean every time.

Central "package management" would be a good addition to Windows (although I would hope they would never call it "package management" - they're programs or applications, not packages on Windows), I'll admit, but how does Linux deal with non-installed portable programs? Surely you're not forced to install EVERYTHING, are you?

Quote: "I'm not saying Linux can't catch viruses, but it definitely has a far more secure system in place for preventing viruses and thus has no need for antivirus software."


It's true that Linux and Unix-based OSs are more secure than Windows, but that comes with a cost. On Windows, I can install what I like, when I like, without being forced to enter a password if I don't want to. I like the freedom.

Quote: "The only thing Windows is good at right now is gaming"


Windows is very good at lots of things. You mean the "The only thing Windows is better than Linux at right now is gaming".

Quote: "restart your computer after every update because Windows"


Actually you only have to restart after all updates are installed, usually.

Quote: "PowerShell is relatively new(I believe it first came out in 2009 based on the copyright notice)"


Actually, MS began developing PowerShell in 2002 and the first version was released in 2006.

Quote: "A script can also be run through the normal windows command line, that doesn't require a PowerShell?"


PowerShell is considerably more powerful than the command prompt.

Quote: "Still, as soon as the person you are explaining to clicks the wrong button once, it will take a while to get back to a point where you both are on the same "page"."


Yet that would be true of any OS.

Quote: "if my dad hadn't been as "tech savy", explaining to him how to reenable it would have been a pain."


Only because you didn't know how to do it; not any fault of Windows'.

Quote: "Most computer users arn't that smart though"


And that's why any OS is insecure with a normal user sitting at it. All viruses are targeted at computer-illiterates that are easily convinced to click a button, download a program and install it. This can happen on any OS.

Quote: "I wrote a python script to strip all timestamps from every line, and then I found 4 programs that were able to compare the 2 files. Things like that really show you how much the terminal can do"


I think that could be done at a command prompt in Windows, and if not, it can definitely be done with PowerShell. Still, I do see the advantage of having the terminal in Linux. A text-based interface can be so much faster sometimes.

Quote: "the command line is a feature which sits on top of Windows, whereas in Linux it's the other way around."


Which is why Windows is preferred by the great bulk of people at this time.

The simple fact of the matter is that when I think of moving to Linux, a terrible fear runs through me and I suddenly feel like my entire life would be wiped. I've been using Windows exclusively since I was about 6. Aside from when I wasn't playing the computer or the Mega Drive, my entire childhood revolved around incredible memories playing first MAME games, then simple free games downloaded from the internet on a 56K modem (like the demo of that 3D Frogger game with the bees and the lawn mowers that squash you, the demo of AxySnake or Clonk Planet) and games found on many old PC User disks we inherited (such as Cube and eventually Sauerbraten). These are memories that I love, and when I consider moving to Linux, it feels like suddenly those memories and that history would be gone.

So I will continue to use Windows, likely Windows 7, for many, many years to come.

Now I'm feeling quite nostalgic.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 06:48
Inexemptuously from most normal people, I have to breath air. Constantly. SOOOOOO annoying. I have an air dependence, it would seem. How terrible.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 08:27
Quote: "Is it? I don't think so. Ok, so it's a bit of a disaster trying to compile source code from a person working primarily on Linux, because they rely on all these silly Make files that mean nothing in Windows. For some reason it seems everyone that uses Linux assumes Windows has built-in support for Make files and other Linuxy goodies. Annoying, to say the least. I don't see why we can't just have source code and a VS project file. Nothing more should be needed."

No, it's a nightmare on Windows. Dependency issues, DLL Hell, MSVC runtime version issues, MSVC compiler version issues, etc, etc. On Linux, it's usually quite simple. You literally do:
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That's it.

Quote: "It's true that Linux and Unix-based OSs are more secure than Windows, but that comes with a cost. On Windows, I can install what I like, when I like, without being forced to enter a password if I don't want to. I like the freedom."

So you value convenience over security? I'm not saying that's a bad thing(it's not, and it's something the security community struggles with constantly), let's just call it like it is.

Quote: "Central "package management" would be a good addition to Windows (although I would hope they would never call it "package management" - they're programs or applications, not packages on Windows), I'll admit, but how does Linux deal with non-installed portable programs? Surely you're not forced to install EVERYTHING, are you?"

You're not forced to do anything. Installing via the package manager simply allows for centralized management of installed programs/libraries. Eclipse is one such portable program. You just plop it into a directory(I usually put it into /opt/eclipse/<eclipse version> and then it's good to go.

Quote: "I actually like the fact that Windows can have silently running programs; it simplifies a lot of stuff just to have something being handled in the background, and if I'm unsure about a program, I can see every running program with Task Manager. I also don't see why closed-source programs are an issue; I don't want to modify the program, only use it, so what's the problem?"

The issue that TheComet has with perpetually closed-source applications is that with the NSA revelations and the previous bad track record of Microsoft, there's no expectation that any data contained in a Windows OS has any expectation of privacy. Open-source doesn't mean you have to have the source on your machine, just the capability of obtaining the source to be audited/verified by a third party.

Quote: "Which is why Windows is preferred by the great bulk of people at this time."

What happens when the Windows GUI crashes? The whole system goes down, right? That means a reboot is required and you better hope that it recovers properly or you could be looking at a reinstall. In Linux you could drop into a kernel terminal(called TTYs) and fix the issue as most of the subsystems such as networking/hardware interfaces/etc would likely still be available. You can even use the internet through text-based internet browsers like Lynx to look up how to fix the issues.

Quote: "Actually you only have to restart after all updates are installed, usually."

That doesn't negate his point. Windows will force a shutdown or reboot of the computer, even with no authorization/input from the user, in order to complete updates.

Quote: "The simple fact of the matter is that when I think of moving to Linux, a terrible fear runs through me and I suddenly feel like my entire life would be wiped. I've been using Windows exclusively since I was about 6. Aside from when I wasn't playing the computer or the Mega Drive, my entire childhood revolved around incredible memories playing first MAME games, then simple free games downloaded from the internet on a 56K modem (like the demo of that 3D Frogger game with the bees and the lawn mowers that squash you, the demo of AxySnake or Clonk Planet) and games found on many old PC User disks we inherited (such as Cube and eventually Sauerbraten). These are memories that I love, and when I consider moving to Linux, it feels like suddenly those memories and that history would be gone."

You won't even give Linux a fair shake? The very fact that you feel a change of Operating System would "wipe your life" when you could just install Windows 7 or whatever flavor of Windows all the way back to DOS in a VM.

However, this conversation has moved from a discussion of technical merits to some emotional decision that appears to be deeply troubling to you. You do what you want to do, it's not like we strangers of the internet have any power over you.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 10:12
Quote: "Inexemptuously from most normal people, I have to breath air. Constantly. SOOOOOO annoying. I have an air dependence, it would seem. How terrible."


lol I like that word

Quote: "Dependency issues"


Surely any source code has dependencies...?

Quote: "DLL Hell, MSVC runtime version issues, MSVC compiler version issues, etc, etc."


Maybe for some people, but I've never had this much trouble

Quote: "On Linux, it's usually quite simple. You literally do"


So... the OS compiles the code??

Quote: "So you value convenience over security?"


Not quite. I value the convenience such that I would find Linux (or Windows with UAE turned on, for that matter) very annoying. However, I don't believe I'm making a compromise in terms of security, as I've never had a security (virus, malware, adware, etc.) issue before.

Quote: "let's just call it like it is."


Of course. That's why I say "I like the freedom". It's partially a personal choice, partially a security choice.

Quote: "You're not forced to do anything. Installing via the package manager simply allows for centralized management of installed programs/libraries."


Oh I see That's not so bad. That's actually pretty much what Windows does, actually, except that whether or not to use the manager (in this case, Programs and Features) is up to the creator of the installer (usually, the developer of the app).

Quote: "The issue that TheComet has with perpetually closed-source applications is that with the NSA revelations and the previous bad track record of Microsoft, there's no expectation that any data contained in a Windows OS has any expectation of privacy. Open-source doesn't mean you have to have the source on your machine, just the capability of obtaining the source to be audited/verified by a third party."


Ok, so the issue is one of privacy/data security. I'm a sceptic and I've never been convinced about the government watching us, and besides that, I don't care. If they going to do it, there's very little we can do, and I have nothing to hide anyway.

Additionally, I didn't know there was any problem with Windows/Microsoft collecting my data, and once again, I have no reason to care.

Quote: "What happens when the Windows GUI crashes?"


What? The GUI doesn't crash. The OS does. As far as I know, it's extremely rare for Windows to crash because of its graphical interface, and when it does, it resets the graphics driver and starts up again, no harm done.

Quote: "you better hope that it recovers properly or you could be looking at a reinstall."


Wow, dude, how fragile is Linux that you have to reinstall in the event of a hard reboot? It's extremely rare for Windows to be corrupted due to an unexpected shutdown. In the event that a critical error occurs (somehow something is writing into system memory, for example), Windows instantly kills the OS and display a BSOD, so nothing corrupts data.

Additionally, in Windows, if something becomes corrupted that prevents the OS starting, you can boot into Safe Mode, which loads only the bare minimum to run Windows (with or without networking support, as an option). If, say, there's something preventing even Safe Mode booting, you can boot to a pure command prompt, no GUI whatsoever. And if that fails (woah, what HAVE you been doing?), you can boot to a separate minimal copy of the base OS in a separate partition. If that's corrupt (or if the user deleted the partition), you can boot from a minimal copy of Windows from the Windows disk, giving you specialised tools for manually repairing the OS.

Quote: "That doesn't negate his point."


No, not his point, I'll admit that, but it does negate his wording. He said, "after every update". I said (paraphrasing), "after every collection of updates". Just nitpicking.

Quote: "You won't even give Linux a fair shake?"


Oh no, Linux is a great OS. There's no doubt about it.

Quote: "However, this conversation has moved from a discussion of technical merits to some emotional decision that appears to be deeply troubling to you."


Indeed, that last paragraph did shift the conversation, however it was not intended to. I didn't quite mean it like that; by the end, I was starting to try to get across the sense of amazement and wonder that I constantly had as a child playing computer games, and as I said, I was starting to get nostalgic. But what I meant by the post was that I can't imagine what I would do if Windows was suddenly removed from the world. That is, my entire life's experience is based on Windows and its quirks. Sure, I can use any OS these days - they all tend to have similar features and abilities. But I wouldn't be able to explain anything to anyone. I wouldn't know anything...

I don't know, I'm not that rigid. I'm certainly not emotionally unstable and I recognise that (and even like the fact that) quite often change can be a really good thing.

There we go. I worked out what scares me. It's not Linux, and it's not Windows. I spend a lot of time working on and with my PC, and I have every last bit of digital work saved on it (don't worry, it's also backed up multiple times) which is pretty much my life's work. When I pictured moving to Linux, I inadvertently imagined an entirely different world where all of my work was gone. THAT'S what scared me. The possibility that the collection of memories (that of ancient videos of me and my brother, crappy Paint pictures and old DBPro projects) disappearing forever terrified me.

Or maybe I'm too attached to my PC

I've wanted to play around with Linux for a very long time, but I've never really gotten around to it. I'm quite excited to have a fiddle now, however, and see what all the fuss is about. I have actually used Linux a couple of times before, but it was for such as short time and on such an old version that it doesn't really count. I actually tried to dual-boot a mobile version of Ubuntu with Android on my Nexus 7 at one point, but it was extremely complicated and I was unable to succeed.

I'm currently exploring the options for what Linux distros are out there. Ubuntu is an obvious one, but I heard KDE mentioned earlier.

Ubuntu looks gorgeous! I don't like the default layout of the "task bar", but I assume that, as with Windows, it can be snapped to any side of the screen. The close/minimise/maximise buttons are also on the left of the windows, which I've never been a fan of. Finally, 'Ubuntu' is hard to type.

KDE, on the other hand, looks a lot more like Windows by default, although I am somewhat horrified that the desktop appears to be a window. I get the feeling KDE is not an entire OS in itself, but rather a sort of "desktop replacement" for Linux systems.

I'm also looking at OpenSUSE, Zorin OS and Linux Mint. So far Linux Mint actually appeals greatly.

Woah, long post. Again.

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>using an operating system with a built in botnet
>2014

medium kek

i seriously hope you guys dont do this
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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 11:05
Well, that was interesting to wake up to...

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Quote: "Wow, dude, how fragile is Linux that you have to reinstall in the event of a hard reboot? It's extremely rare for Windows to be corrupted due to an unexpected shutdown. In the event that a critical error occurs (somehow something is writing into system memory, for example), Windows instantly kills the OS and display a BSOD, so nothing corrupts data."


Dar was talking about windows doing that. Like he said, if the X server (which is the underlying GUI handler on linux) crashes, you can open a TTY by pressing ctrl+F1-6 and get acess to a terminal where you can fix it. Or you can reboot from there. On windows you BSOD and have no way of trying to fix it.

Quote: "So... the OS compiles the code??"

Not really, the OS comes with a built in GCC compiler which can compile the code for you.

Quote: "Surely any source code has dependencies...?"

Obviously, but on windows, the location of DLL files isn't centralised so programs have to either supply the dependencies with the install (which leads to increased filesizes and dll redundancy) or they have to hope that the user installed the DLL files in a good place where they can find them by luck.

On linux, the package manager manages all the lib files and places them in predefined locations, usualy /usr/lib. When a program needs to use a lib, it can just look in that folder and find it, no setting up, no supplying lib files with each installer. Additionally, if you install thru the package manager and the package manager notices that you need a lib for what you are trying to install, that will be installed aswell.

Quote: "whether or not to use the manager (in this case, Programs and Features)"

Programs and features are nothing like the linux package manager. The package manager keeps track of every lib and program installed by it. It updates the packages when updates are avalible (if you tell it to), it makes sure it has all the right dependencies and it allows you to search for and install almost any package. And if you don't want to use the package manager, you can just download a .zip or .tar.gz file of the program wich you can extract and run.

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I'm currently exploring the options for what Linux distros are out there. Ubuntu is an obvious one, but I heard KDE mentioned earlier.

Ubuntu looks gorgeous! I don't like the default layout of the "task bar", but I assume that, as with Windows, it can be snapped to any side of the screen. The close/minimise/maximise buttons are also on the left of the windows, which I've never been a fan of. Finally, 'Ubuntu' is hard to type.

KDE, on the other hand, looks a lot more like Windows by default, although I am somewhat horrified that the desktop appears to be a window. I get the feeling KDE is not an entire OS in itself, but rather a sort of "desktop replacement" for Linux systems.

I'm also looking at OpenSUSE, Zorin OS and Linux Mint. So far Linux Mint actually appeals greatly."


First of all, KDE as you have said is not a linux distro, it's a desktop manager which, as the name suggests handles your windows and desktop. There are a ton out there and they can usualy be installed on any distro you want. If you think the ubuntu DM looks nice, you can install it on another distro, alteast on the ubuntu based ones. The main diffirence between the distros is what DM comes preinstalled and what package manager is used. Ubuntu and all it's derivatives use apt-get, openSEUSE has it's own I think and arch uses a another one called pacman.

Linux mint is actually a fork of ubuntu so it uses apt-get to. I ran mint on my laptop before switching to arch because of some hardware issues and I was pretty happy with it. I didn't like the cinamon desktop manager so I installed gnome 3 instead. I use ubuntu gnome (ubuntu with gnome 3 preinstalled) on my dekstop and im happy with that aswell. Ubuntu has the biggest userbase and I think mint comes second so both of those are good choises in terms of support. They are also really easy to setup compared to something like arch which gives you a terminal and nothing else

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I use Fedora as my home distribution. At work it's CentOS(which is a repackaged Red Hat Enterprise Linux), OpenSUSE, or Gentoo.

ElementaryOS and Linux Mint are probably the closest to Windows by default, but any distribution can be made to look like Windows.

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I lost someone very special today.



Rest in peace little girl.
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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 20:59 Edited at: 26th Jul 2014 21:01
[qoute]Is it? I don't think so. Ok, so it's a bit of a disaster trying to compile source code from a person working primarily on Linux, because they rely on all these silly Make files that mean nothing in Windows.[/quote]

Makefiles are the Linux counterpart to VS project files. They're not silly, they're a key tool to make programs compilable on all operating systems, and dare I say, they're a little more advanced than VS project files because they support install targets and other goodies to help detect the optimal settings of the underlying system.

Quote: "So... the OS compiles the code??"


No, a C++ compiler compiles the code. Usually gcc/g++. configure is a script that performs checks to make sure the build environment is sane and all dependencies are present, then it will generate a makefile with instructions for whatever C/C++ compiler you have installed. make install builds and installs the program to the system.

If you have unmet dependencies, you can use auto-apt.

Quote: "I'm a sceptic and I've never been convinced about the government watching us"


Then I suggest you inform yourself a little more on that topic, because it's happening. I keep linking these talks but no one seems to ever watch them, or they do watch them but dismiss them because they don't want to accept it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txRdOjgokQ4

Quote: "Central "package management" would be a good addition to Windows (although I would hope they would never call it "package management" - they're programs or applications, not packages on Windows), I'll admit, but how does Linux deal with non-installed portable programs? Surely you're not forced to install EVERYTHING, are you?"


I don't understand your question - you don't have to install everything, that wouldn't fit on your computer. The package manager helps install, uninstall and upgrade programs and its dependencies.

Quote: "On Windows, I can install what I like, when I like, without being forced to enter a password if I don't want to. I like the freedom."


We're talking about a single password, and no, it's a horrible idea to have programs installing junk in the background, again because it breaches the idea of freedom. Sure it's convenient but given the latest revelations on what tech companies and government agencies are up to, I have huge trust issues.

And let's be honest for a moment. Windows always pops up with "Java update!" and "Adobe Flash Player update!" and "Google wants to update!" and "System updates available!!" whenever I log in with flashing windows and the UAC screaming at your face, and more often than not, while I'm gaming, "Itunes Update!!!!" decides to minimize my game and annoy me about updates. That's waaay more annoying and frustrating than a list of available updates on Linux, which, by the way, only appears when you want it to.

Quote: "All viruses are targeted at computer-illiterates that are easily convinced to click a button, download a program and install it. This can happen on any OS."


Yes, but it is considerably more difficult to do that on Linux.

Plus, the worst possible thing a virus can do on Linux is screw up your home folder. It does and cannot run on root level, so it won't have a chance of changing anything system-wide (unless the user is a complete retard and is logged in as root, but the default settings don't allow that).

Quote: "The simple fact of the matter is that when I think of moving to Linux, a terrible fear runs through me and I suddenly feel like my entire life would be wiped."


Then stay with Windows, no one is forcing you to move

In the end it is a personal decision, and I wont blame anyone who prefers Windows. Yes I bash it a lot, but that's because I want it to improve.

Quote: "I also don't see why closed-source programs are an issue; I don't want to modify the program, only use it, so what's the problem?"


Because closed-source programs aren't free (in the sense of freedom).

Quote: "I have nothing to hide anyway."


That's not the point. It's about freedom. It was never about wanting to hide your activity, it's about the right to remain anonymous and not being monitored and controlled by corporations. Did you know the NSA is collecting over 15 exabytes of internet traffic per day? What gives them the right to do that? In my eyes intercepting that data from internet providers is illegal, and I definitely don't feel comfortable with the idea of everything I do online being logged in a database with the potential to be used as evidence.

Quote: "Gentoo"


Installing Gentoo is hardcore. Have you seen all of the options you can configure in the Linux kernel before compiling it? It's insane.

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Yeah I'm glad I wasn't around when it came time to install it. It's also on embedded hardware so I bet that didn't make it any easier. There's no X11 or any type of GUI so it's all SSH and terminal access.

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Quote: "I lost someone very special today."
I'm really sorry.

I have a special relationship with my cat, as odd as it sounds, but he is dear to me. I can only imagine the pain of losing the bundle of joy/comfort/happiness/etc that she was.

On a happier note, I am gonna go make some Windows n Cheese!!!! Ha, get it? Anyone see what I did there...!?

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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 21:40 Edited at: 26th Jul 2014 21:42
That is very sad Seditious. I'm sorry for you.

On a happier note like Dark Java Dude 64. I made a new logo for my production company. What do you guys think? Does it look professional?


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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 21:44 Edited at: 26th Jul 2014 21:44
So, I've been pretty interested in animation for a rather long time, but never really gave it much serious thought, because I've never been very great at drawing (though around the age of 16 I was getting fairly decent at it).

I finally decided to seriously pursue it, and I bought Toon Boom Studio, which is a FANTASTIC program. I've only had it for about an hour and a half, and already I'm very impressed with it. You can do traditional frame-by-frame animation with it, stop-motion, or even cut-out/puppet animation (bone-based), all pretty easily.

The interface is pretty similar to Flash, which I've played with before. Pretty cool, and very easily learned!

For drawing, I have an old, basic Wacom Bamboo tablet I've been using in conjunction with the software, but it only has a 4x6 drawing area, which is certainly not ideal for this kind of work. So, I need a better drawing tablet!

I'm thinking of going with the Intuos Pro medium, which has an active drawing area of 8.8x5.5 inches, which doesn't sound like a huge improvement but it would be. Or, if I can afford it, I'll save up for the large one, which has an active drawing area of 12.8x8.0 inches, which is pretty much the size of traditional paper, and would be much, much better to use!

Or if I really could afford it I'd save up for the Cintiq HD tablet, but that's not happening as that's $2.5k and that's kind of ridiculous.

This isn't just a sudden thing I want to do on a whim, either. My brother and I have had several ideas for cartoons for years, and now it's finally feasible to produce them. We know many, many talented people who can do voices and even help out with drawing, so we could even theoretically start producing something as soon as next year!

I'm going to learn the ins-and-outs of this software and improve my drawing skills as much as possible. I'm thoroughly excited for these possibilities!


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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 22:07 Edited at: 26th Jul 2014 22:11
Yodaman Jer I would love to see what your animation would look like. Remember like movies, it is not about the equipment, but the skill. Still I bet that Toon Studio would be great to use and a Wacom Tablet is very useful. Here is a guy you can listen to for advice:https://www.youtube.com/user/markcrilley/videos

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Posted: 26th Jul 2014 22:34 Edited at: 26th Jul 2014 22:51
Seditious, Very sorry to hear that...

Also It appears there is an issue with my hosting for once should be back up soon FTP is still alive

EDIT

The last time I had to speak with support was 2011 ^^ so not too bad really... still waiting to see what happens next...

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@Zach:

I'll probably upload a basic animation test here in the next day or two. I was working on one but it's less than 2 seconds and it looked "wrong". I have to study walk cycles to figure out what I was doing that wasn't 100% correct. In the meantime, I'm just going to be playing around with animating basic shapes, maybe something like a piece of paper blowing in the wind.


Here's a screenshot of the interface, for some reason some of the buttons like to glitch out occasionally.



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Woo, points.

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To join the Linux vs Windows debate - OSX is a perfect middle ground!
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YAY She's Back

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Quote: "@Zach:

I'll probably upload a basic animation test here in the next day or two. I was working on one but it's less than 2 seconds and it looked "wrong". I have to study walk cycles to figure out what I was doing that wasn't 100% correct. In the meantime, I'm just going to be playing around with animating basic shapes, maybe something like a piece of paper blowing in the wind.


Here's a screenshot of the interface, for some reason some of the buttons like to glitch out occasionally."


In the future you should make a 2D animated feature film that is serious like the non-cliched anime.

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Double post... Stupid internet...

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Not double post. You should use the betaforum since it's harder to doublepost in here

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Verisimilitude

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Posted: 27th Jul 2014 12:41
Thanks guys.

Quote: "I have a special relationship with my cat, as odd as it sounds, but he is dear to me"


It's not odd at all. We have several other cats and they are all dear to us. They each have their individual personalities, and they are such innocent little things. Why.
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So bored today, so just posting to make it known...

Anybody else?

EDIT

Started creating a more refined menu, will add all links next and then it is mainly done



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Posted: 27th Jul 2014 14:40
@Seditious:
That's horrible, how old was she? I've almost lost my cat a few times, so I know that feeling of grief, but I can only imagine it's 100 times worse when it doesn't work out for the better.


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She was just over a year old (in that picture she was just a couple of months). She was such a darling though, very timid (since her and the other 2 kittens we acquired last year were born in the wild, and had to be tamed), but she was always very friendly and loved to cuddle with the older cats and her siblings. She wasn't at all aggressive and despite detesting being held she'd never growl or scratch if you tried to do so.

We've had one of the cats leave us for 10 days and come back before, and she's still with us today. In the past we lost one of her offspring at about 5 years of age (?) and my mum was heartbroken. Those two were so close, he'd always jump up on her for a cuddle and stare into her eyes, purring. He was a very lovely cat, and it really felt like a nightmare when he went missing. He never returned; he had a neurological problem and had trouble using his back legs, so we assume that eventually he gave up and went off to die somewhere. We spent a lot of money trying to put his problems right but in the end I guess it just wasn't enough. Just in the past couple of days we've had problems with one of the aforementioned kittens and he seems to have gone missing today a few hours ago. Usually we wouldn't worry but he's been acting really strange lately and we think there's something wrong with him. I'm not sure how my mum will cope if he never comes back... he was very much like the cat that went missing before, and he reminds her of him. Despite him being completely wild when he arrived here (to the point of hiding behind furniture for the first couple of weeks!) they really bonded and eventually he started cuddling her, doing things like jumping up on her chair and burying his face under her arm and purring.

If he's gone then we're left with only one of the kittens we received last year... she's friendly with the other cats we have but none of them will play with her. I don't want her to be lonely having lost her siblings.

[edit] After hours of searching we've finally found him and he's ok. We're keeping him inside until Monday and then we'll take him to the vet. You have no idea how relieved I am.
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Quote: "[edit] After hours of searching we've finally found him and he's ok. We're keeping him inside until Monday and then we'll take him to the vet. You have no idea how relieved I am."

That's great news, at least you didn't have to worry for too long (although, I know that it seemed much longer than it really was).


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Quote: " [edit] After hours of searching we've finally found him and he's ok. We're keeping him inside until Monday and then we'll take him to the vet. You have no idea how relieved I am. "

That's really great news!

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Quote: "[edit] After hours of searching we've finally found him and he's ok. We're keeping him inside until Monday and then we'll take him to the vet. You have no idea how relieved I am."


I'm glad to hear that Seditious. I'm really close to my cat as well. He is big, not weight wise but like being long. If he was a human he would be my height.

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Seditious how many cats do you have?

EDIT

Man these images look funny when at half resolution



Played with the menu a bit and decided to make it full screen accessible by right click or swipe up or down from screen edges

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Quote: "Dar was talking about windows doing that. Like he said, if the X server (which is the underlying GUI handler on linux) crashes, you can open a TTY by pressing ctrl+F1-6 and get acess to a terminal where you can fix it. Or you can reboot from there. On windows you BSOD and have no way of trying to fix it."


No, I got that. What I meant was that Dar13 seemed to be under the impression that if the OS crashes (be it Linux or Windows), you have a good chance of corrupting stuff. He was saying that Linux was therefore better because you could fix the problem without hard resetting the OS, whereas with Windows would just BSOD. I was saying that it doesn't matter if Windows BSODs because it rarely (as in extremely rarely) corrupts anything.

I also said that Windows doesn't crash because of its GUI, because for the most part, the Windows GUI is actually separate to its OS. That is, the standard Windows GUI is explorer.exe. Sure, the visual components themselves are part of Windows, but I've never once seen a crash because of that. If Explorer crashes, you just Ctrl-Alt-Delete, open task manager and restart Explorer.

Quote: "on windows, the location of DLL files isn't centralised"


I disagree that's it's a big problem, but I do get your point.

Quote: "Programs and features are nothing like the linux package manager."


Haha of course not. I never tried to imply it was. I was simply pointing out that the Windows equivalent does have a lot of the features that Package Manager has.

Quote: "I lost someone very special today."


Oh no! I feel so sad for you...I know what it's like to lose your dear bundle of fur...

@TheComet:

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Good one.

Quote: "They're not silly"


Oops, I didn't mean they were actually silly, I just meant that they're silly on Windows.

Quote: "they're a little more advanced than VS project files because they support install targets and other goodies to help detect the optimal settings of the underlying system."


I don't understand why you would need to do that, though. Surely the compile is the same on every system?

Quote: "the OS comes with a built in GCC compiler which can compile the code for you."

Quote: "No, a C++ compiler compiles the code."


Oh, I see

Quote: "Then I suggest you inform yourself a little more on that topic, because it's happening. I keep linking these talks but no one seems to ever watch them, or they do watch them but dismiss them because they don't want to accept it."


Linking a youtube video is never going to work for me as I rarely have the download to watch them. Also, as I said, I actually don't care until it becomes a genuine problem.

Quote: "I don't understand your question - you don't have to install everything, that wouldn't fit on your computer. The package manager helps install, uninstall and upgrade programs and its dependencies."


lol No, Dar13 answered this for me. I meant, "Does every program that you want on you computer have to be installed or can it be portable?".

Quote: "it's a horrible idea to have programs installing junk in the background"


Yes. What junk are you talking about? None of the programs I use install junk, except where necessary (things like virtual ISO mounting tools), and then it's not junk.

Quote: "I have huge trust issues."


Apparently.

Quote: "We're talking about a single password"


Yes. EVERY TIME you want to install something or (probably) change a setting. I couldn't take it.

Quote: "Windows always pops up with "Java update!" and "Adobe Flash Player update!" and "Google wants to update!" and "System updates available!!" whenever I log in with flashing windows and the UAC screaming at your face, and more often than not, while I'm gaming, "Itunes Update!!!!" decides to minimize my game and annoy me about updates."


Depends what settings you have. Clearly you don't control your settings or you wouldn't have that problem. Well, maybe with iTunes, but iTunes is crappy software anyway.

The UAC is optional and I have it disabled.

Quote: "Yes, but it is considerably more difficult to do that on Linux."


Perhaps.

Quote: "Plus, the worst possible thing a virus can do on Linux is screw up your home folder. It does and cannot run on root level, so it won't have a chance of changing anything system-wide (unless the user is a complete retard and is logged in as root, but the default settings don't allow that)."


So...the Linux filesystem is the same as Android? (I know, Android is based on Linux, but I never quite knew how much had been changed) What a bummer. The Android filesystem is a nightmare to navigate. No global top-level root folder, multiple copies of the same folders that appear and disappear, confusing naming scheme...

And for the record, Windows doesn't allow administrator ("root") access by default either.

Quote: "Then stay with Windows, no one is forcing you to move "


Of course, and I will I was only stating one reason I won't move to Linux.

Quote: "Because closed-source programs aren't free (in the sense of freedom)."


But...most things in life are "free" in that sense. Why would you expect every program to be open-source? Is a developer not allowed to keep his work as his work? And besides that, who cares? (Ok, so apparently you care, so let me rephrase that) And besides that, who (apart from you) cares?

Quote: "Yes I bash it a lot, but that's because I want it to improve."


So do I. That's one of the reasons I love Android: It's constantly being improved according to what users want, and not according to what big corporations tell us we want (*cough cough* M$ and Apple *cough*).

Quote: "What gives them the right to do that?"


Point taken. I agree that it's illegal (or should be) and at the very least is a massive breach of privacy. But right now, I don't mind.

Quote: "What do you guys think? Does it look professional?"


Would be better if I could read it. I can't work out what the first word says, and the second one took some head-tilting. I think the middle part looks good, but the "film" part needs some work. Right now it's the first bit your eyes are attracted to and it seems generic. It also doesn't quite fit the art style of the middle, and possibly needs a few small scratch marks on it. Just my 2 cents.

Quote: "So, I've been pretty interested in animation for a rather long time, but never really gave it much serious thought, because I've never been very great at drawing"


That's me exactly. I'm ok at drawing, and I know with practice (learning to use the right side of the brain and all that) I could become a good artist, but right now I haven't the time.

Quote: "I finally decided to seriously pursue it, and I bought Toon Boom Studio, which is a FANTASTIC program. I've only had it for about an hour and a half, and already I'm very impressed with it. You can do traditional frame-by-frame animation with it, stop-motion, or even cut-out/puppet animation (bone-based), all pretty easily."


I *cough cough* obtained Toon Boom Studio some time ago to see if it was worth the money, but I find the interface confusing and difficult. Maybe with practice it would be better, but it's highly cluttered. That seems to be the problem I have with every animation program I've tried, which is unfortunate because I'm really good at actually animating.

Quote: "My brother and I have had several ideas for cartoons for years"


As have my brother and I.

Quote: "To join the Linux vs Windows debate - OSX is a perfect middle ground!"


No. Just... no. If I love Windows and don't mind Linux, I strongly dislike OSX. It's even more controlling than Windows and has a horrid interface. There's a good chance I'll one day have a dedicated Linux box, if only to compile Linux programs, but I'll never have a Mac. OSX is like iOS.... but on a whole new scale.

Quote: "It's not odd at all. We have several other cats and they are all dear to us. They each have their individual personalities, and they are such innocent little things. Why."


So true.

Quote: "She was just over a year old (in that picture she was just a couple of months). She was such a darling though, very timid (since her and the other 2 kittens we acquired last year were born in the wild, and had to be tamed), but she was always very friendly and loved to cuddle with the older cats and her siblings. She wasn't at all aggressive and despite detesting being held she'd never growl or scratch if you tried to do so."


Several months ago we lost a gorgeous little fluffy grey cat called Smokey. She was the most beautiful cat we'd ever had. She would often come racing up to you, rub past your leg then flop over on the grass and roll about, purring. She loved to be held and would sit for hours on your lap; she was so soft you could pat her the entire time.

Then one day we found her curled up in one corner of the lawn in the shade of a big tree, stiff and cold. It was a very upsetting day... until we found a dead brown snake, also in the yard. Eastern brown snakes are common in Australia; they're aggressive, fast and can be fatal to humans, particularly children when there's no hospital within 40 minutes. That particular snake had bite marks all over its neck.

Our amazing Smokey had probably saved one of our lives by giving her own.

Hero kitty.



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Clonkex is that a maincoon? [no idea how to spell it]

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Where did this come from lol must have always ignored it since joining the forum lol making my custom browser is really showing up some new things I have never bothered to look at before

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Posted: 28th Jul 2014 04:37
Quote: "Clonkex is that a maincoon? [no idea how to spell it]"


Maine Coon, and no, I don't believe so; she was normal cat size, perhaps smaller.

Quote: "Where did this come from lol must have always ignored it since joining the forum lol making my custom browser is really showing up some new things I have never bothered to look at before "


lol

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I have one next door

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Quote: "Would be better if I could read it. I can't work out what the first word says, and the second one took some head-tilting. I think the middle part looks good, but the "film" part needs some work. Right now it's the first bit your eyes are attracted to and it seems generic. It also doesn't quite fit the art style of the middle, and possibly needs a few small scratch marks on it. Just my 2 cents."


I don't quite get what you mean by bit and first part. Do you meant the word? I guess it does need more scratches, but I don't want it to look too distracting. As for the words, I guess I'll find something that could be read more easily. Thank you for your opinion.

My production company went from Twenties Villain Films to Moustacheo Films to now Dainty Pictures.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2014 05:02
@Clonkex:

The interface does seem a bit clunky, but I got used to it really quick. Of course, it might help that I have a huge-ass resolution (2560x1440), but even downscaled to 1080p I found it pretty easy to navigate. I did study the manual for a good 30 minutes, that might help you out if you're ever interested in "obtaining" it again.

It's certainly leaps and bounds better than that Anime Studio program, which assumes a very, very basic interface and gives you very little control.


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