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MrValentine
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Posted: 21st Jul 2014 11:32
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Thank you!

I am curious about other methods of control, maybe direct or UI based...

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time to steal the page

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Posted: 21st Jul 2014 14:51 Edited at: 25th Jul 2014 09:49
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Very surprised to find TGC Forum Repository has over 1000 views! almost 3 per day visitors average...

http://www.akaneaya.com/tgcforumrepository

Also just launched Codictionary: DBPro

Any mods about? please PM me if you have some free time, I would like a thread renamed, thanks!

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http://apps.microsoft.com/windows/en-gb/app/codictionary-dbpro-deep-red/be436f73-5194-4fe0-8c3e-2e7311629762

And she went live, hope anybody on an 8.1 device can give it a trial... I enabled 1 day trials... it is very much a work in progress, but with this overview of the DBPro command set, you should never struggle again to find that core command

The Mobile edition is live too...

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-gb/store/app/codictionary-dbpro-deep-red/6a33ec4f-e99a-44c1-ab00-681ed4326247

Time to go back and update Primer

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Posted: 22nd Jul 2014 06:29 Edited at: 22nd Jul 2014 06:30
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I'm sorry for the mini-rant here. (It's an explosion in my head.) But MrValentine you are so wrong! IE is the worst browser.
Quote: "I think you need a better computer... but not used W7 since W8 came out"

If he needs a better computer, how could Chrome outperforms Internet explorer on his hardware? Is Internet explorer magically only able to outperform Chrome on top-end hardware?

Quote: "Don't blame the browser, blame your kit or p poor web developing coding practices which I see way too often"


What? Have you ever actually done any web development? You actually have to go out of your way, often developing a seperate stylesheet just for internet explorer. It's an absolute PITA and sucks for standards compliance. Internet explorer did once upon a time have better hardware acceleration than chrome, but I have faith in Google, I'm sure that's no longer true.
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Posted: 22nd Jul 2014 06:40
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This made me giggle, try reading it

I take it you have not used Win8.1 and IE11 then...

I cannot be bothered with an argument over which fake browser is better than another, but look at them as a tool, I only made a slight joke about someone using Chrome, but honestly I take no sides in the argument, I see it as it is a tool to do one thing or another, same goes with OS's... I prefer getting on with work not complaining about this that broken etc. etc.

I have a friend who is still in web development and he used to bicker about IE until he tried IE11... he still uses chrome, I now use IE's F12, you should take a look at it... cannot wait for IE12! [Look and compare the version numbers btw they crack me up...]

Again, I do not take any sides, because frankly I have better things to do ^^

But again, it could be something within his system that is causing slow downs, could be a hidden toolbar which is still installed just not enabled for view etc. this is what I mean by kit etc...

I never usually use so many etc. lol

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Posted: 22nd Jul 2014 06:50
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Quote: "I prefer getting on with work not complaining about this that broken etc. etc."
Working is hard when things are in fact broken.

Previous versions of IE are so bad that, I (and many people) simply have a hard time believing that current versions are any or much better. And then 8.1... MS just plain went too far in the wrong direction. That's really all there is to it.

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Well, I can say give it a try and you might be surprised, but you need to experience the whole ecosystem to fully appreciate it... [Multiple devices; tablet, phone, desktop]

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As far as I know, the newer versions of IE aren’t bad at all, but the problem lies in microsofts way to update the browser. FF and chrome update automaticaly as soon as a new update is released which means that they always support the latest HTML 5 tech and other cool stuff. IE however might update automatically with windows updates if you are lucky, but most of the time, atleast within corporations, it doesn't update at all which leaves it at stupidly old versions. Most companies use IE 8 or 7 which don't support any tech newer than 2006 or 8, that leaves out all features in HTML5 which is a pretty big disadvantage. Another issue is that while chrome and FF run on almost any OS, the newer IE versions will only run on newer Windows versions. IE 8 was the last version to actually run on windows XP and yet most companies still used XP until a year ago.

These graphs show the problem with IE perfectly
This is the usage stats for diffirent IE versions


This is the stats for diffirent chrome versions


When a new version of chrome is released, the usage of the previous version drops almost imedietly. THe usage of old IE version stays almost constant and most people that do upgrade go from 8 to 9 instead of from 6 to 9

I also found this
https://twitter.com/altonncf/status/293392615225823232

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Posted: 22nd Jul 2014 11:59 Edited at: 22nd Jul 2014 12:00
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ALMOST LOL

I believe IE11 on Windows 8 actually silent updates now actually...




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As you can see it has been there since IE10...



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That's good then, I hope that's enabled by default and that companies don't disable it because it can "mess with their perfectly optimised systems" or something

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Posted: 22nd Jul 2014 13:25
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Yup, Enabled by default!

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Quote: "I take it you have not used Win8.1 and IE11 then..."


I have actually, it's a little better but it still doesn't compare to chrome.
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Posted: 22nd Jul 2014 19:03 Edited at: 22nd Jul 2014 19:05
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I'm baaack!!!

Quote: "
Comet's log 2014-07-14 13:58 GMT -- Just arrived in Dublin. I love the accent of everyone oh my god, I'll talk to random strangers just so I get to hear that sweet English slang that kind of sounds like a monster truck driving over bunnies.

One of the waitresses in this café just said: "I ate so many Bronies today" and it took me a few minutes of silent horror to realise she meant brownies.
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Sounds fun. You seem to jet about the globe an awful lot.

Quote: "You guys posted waaaay too little while I was gone."

I was gone, too!

Quote: "Why has nothing happened in my absence?"

Because:
Quote: "I was gone, too!"

^ See what I did there.

Quote: "Out of curiosity how popular is metal and punk in the UK? I've noticed a lot of that music comes from the UK."

Dunno about Punk, but the stronghold for Metal is Europe in general nowadays -- at least most of the decent stuff. Very little that the US/UK can offer, IMHO.

Quote: "Anyone who doesn't know Monty Python shouldn't be on these forums."

Indeed.

Quote: "Maybe start a WIP thread in GC? [I just wish we could double post in GC WIP threads...]"

Nothing wrong with double-posting when it is something non-trivial. You got told off by whichever mod a couple of weeks back because you were needlessly double-posting in a manner which, though probably unintentional, came across as spam/bumping. It's perfectly legit to double-post a serious update.

Quote: "Well, I can say give it[Win8] a try and you might be surprised, but you need to experience the whole ecosystem to fully appreciate it... [Multiple devices; tablet, phone, desktop]"

No. Windows 8 is an abomination

Quote: "I believe IE11 on Windows 8 actually silent updates now actually..."

I don't see how this is a good thing. Software should not perform any activity without user-consent. Auto-updates should not be enabled by default on any device.

Quote: "I have actually, it's a little better but it still doesn't compare to chrome."

Getting an E for math is "better" than getting an F, lol.

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Posted: 22nd Jul 2014 19:32
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Quote: "Auto-updates should not be enabled by default on any device."


Wrong. How do you know better than the developer?

I just upgraded to iOS8 and OSX 10.10. They're beautiful upgrades.
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How does iOS8 play out? Any specific features worth mentioning? I was looking forward to it, also hows OSX10.10?

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Quote: "I don't see how this is a good thing. Software should not perform any activity without user-consent. Auto-updates should not be enabled by default on any device."


That's a good point, software should look for updates and be able to update, but any updates should be approved by the user. The liunx way of doing it is really nice, you can force an update of your system at any time and it searches for updates automatically which you can choose to install if you want to. Updates also don't force you to reboot your computer (unless it's a special case which has happned twice since I went to linux half a year ago). The updates are fast, you don'g get bugged about doing them and you don't have to reboot once they are done.

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Quote: "Any specific features worth mentioning?"


It's not a massive change. They've added text prediction which works very nicely. android users will already be familiar with this but iOS has been lacking it for quite some time. The notifications system is much nicer, and you can see all images shared with a particular contact. They're just small but nice additions.

Quote: "I was looking forward to it, also hows OSX10.10?"


It's recieved the same appearance overhaul as iOS did for iOS7. It's very nice again. I'm waiting to work out how to integrate iOS and OSX so I can make calls from my Macbook however.
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I bet the people who didn't bother to update to OpenSSL 1.0.1 felt that way...
Seriously, my rationale is that, aside from introducing possibly unwanted behavior or eyesore "GUI Overhaul"s or even bugs, it costs bandwidth and, as a user and admin, I like to know exactly what is being installed on my machine because, aside from what's been mentioned, it wastes my internet
I'm in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp. I only do updates when I want and I always wait and see what bugs get discovered and patched before I update a productivity machine.

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Whoa. The developer definitely doesn't know what the user wants. I hate it, for example, when Spotify auto updates without any of my consent, and the entire interface changes from what I was used to. The developer knows better?? Maybe. The developer knows what the user wants?? No.

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It's probably better to have automatic updates on by default. If you know what you're doing, you can disable it. If you don't know what you're doing and need it to update automatically, you wouldn't know to enable it.

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Whoa [eman], I wasn't expecting you to say something like that.

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Of course, automatic updates you can't disable, insist you restart your computer and don't shut up about it, or force you to update before allowing you to use the software are COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.

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Quote: "It's probably better to have automatic updates on by default. If you know what you're doing, you can disable it. If you don't know what you're doing and need it to update automatically, you wouldn't know to enable it."


But does it hurt to ask if the user wants to update? A simple box saying "A new version is avalible, do you want to update?" when the program starts.

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Quote: "It's probably better to have automatic updates on by default. If you know what you're doing, you can disable it.If you don't know what you're doing and need it to update automatically, you wouldn't know to enable it."

A very valid point, except it falls within the scope of "user-friendly" and "modern" computing. I think, and I'd hate to be hated for saying this, that "If you don't know what you're doing..." you should learn or GTFO. I've watched computers "evolve" from MSDOS to, well, whatever they are today; phones, cameras, tablets, laptops and, lastly modern desktops. The interface has become more geared towards a device telling you what to do. In the name of "user-friendly" interfaces, they've created a system where the user plays little to no role in administration. It's as bad as people being unable to coherently construct a sentence due to features embedded in word processors to web browsers. I suppose an argument may be that the knowledge I'm talking about is obsolete -- in both cases. It'd be a good argument, however, someone has to know, say, English, to program the lexer module correctly. So it is no more obsolete than assembly knowledge is today. Now, bringing it back to users and their software, I think that users should be encouraged to educate themselves. When I get lost, I search Stack Exchange (I won't ask questions, though, as people there are rude). I do the same with all other aspects. When I had a car (yep, I had my own car for about two years with naught but a learner's licence), I picked up a little on motor mechanics and had I not become epileptic -- rendering me unable to drive -- I would have learned a lot more.
But people don't want to learn. Why bother thinking when we can plug stuff in and have it work with zero-config, press a button to get coffee and, well, pretty much any other instant gratification. What happened to learning, asking questions, sharing knowledge, etc? I'll tell you, mate: it fell out of fashion when people discovered more valuable use for their time, like Minesweeper, Cards, Facebook, Twitter and the like.

This ain't a rant at anyone, I'm just having a look at the IT industry in both disgust at what it's become and awe at the fact that, largely Microsoft, actually created a market for a product. It was an action which inspired other corporations to follow.

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When I'm using a computer, I want the computer to do the work, not me. Why would I want to micromanage what apps update and which don't?
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It's not really micromanaging, since it's quite an easy and simple task...

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The thing is, Chrome doesn't need the hardware acceleration, even if IE's is better. We fell about laughing when IE got hardware acceleration because it was like M$ was struggling to make it faster.

Quote: "Again, I do not take any sides, because frankly I have better things to do ^^ "


Good for you! (not sarcastic) You probably get along really well with most people, unlike me, just because you don't try and force your opinion

Quote: "I also found this
https://twitter.com/altonncf/status/293392615225823232"


rofl *saves to harddrive*

Quote: "No. Windows 8 is an abomination

I don't see how this is a good thing. Software should not perform any activity without user-consent. Auto-updates should not be enabled by default on any device.

Getting an E for math is "better" than getting an F, lol."


Agree agree agree

Quote: "A simple box saying "A new version is avalible, do you want to update?" when the program starts."


This specific method of doing it is actually quite annoying. If I don't want the update, I tell it to go away, but most programs ask again next time you start them. A better method would be a small notification in a statusbar or a balloon notification in Windows.

Quote: "It'd be a good argument, however, someone has to know, say, English, to program the lexer module correctly. So it is no more obsolete than assembly knowledge is today."


Totally agree on that.

Quote: "I won't ask questions, though, as people there are rude"


Really? Which site? Stack Overflow has been extremely helpful in the most difficult problems I've ever had.

Quote: "It's not really micromanaging, since it's quite an easy and simple task..."


Indeed. Having programs or Windows update by themselves (particularly when they don't even tell me!) is the most annoying and disruptive thing I've ever encountered, not least because they use up all our internet.


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Quote: "But does it hurt to ask if the user wants to update?"


Probably. People get confused really easily.


Quote: "I think, and I'd hate to be hated for saying this, that "If you don't know what you're doing..." you should learn or GTFO."


I agree, but many people won't do either one. It's sad.

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It's often good to know exactly what's being installed. The mentality behind this is I don't trust anyone, especially in this day and age. Knowing that my computer can download, install, and execute software without my knowledge is frightening, don't you think?

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= ...why is my internet so slow...?
= WHAT?! 700MB used??
= WINDOWS!! I told you NOT to auto update!! Why are you incapable of remembering my settings??


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Am I the only one who can't make code tags or links work?



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Those are working just fine, TheComet. Are you using Beta or Live? I'm on Live.


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Over on the DarkGDK forum I can't get them to work...

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=211605&b=22&msg=2527527#m2527527

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= WHAT?! 700MB used??
= WINDOWS!! I told you NOT to auto update!! Why are you incapable of remembering my settings??"


I think having a 100mbs internet connection has made me insensitive to update troubles.
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Go check my reply, I think I worked out your problem.


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Replied to your questions, hope that helps!

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Quote: "Indeed. Having programs or Windows update by themselves (particularly when they don't even tell me!) is the most annoying and disruptive thing I've ever encountered, not least because they use up all our internet.
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Actually you can define a limited connection and it will not do anything until you are on another connection on Win8, had to use this when I was at my shop, worked fine... Had 15GB per month limit on a 3G dongle

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Quote: "I think having a 100mbs internet connection has made me insensitive to update troubles"

"That'd do it"

I've got 10 mbs, which I thought was pretty good


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But not on Win7, and besides, I may be wrong, but doesn't that only work when the PC knows it's on 3G?

Quote: "Had 15GB per month limit on a 3G dongle"


We have 2GB in the day (peak) and 180GB at night (off-peak) per month. We're on satellite, so our internet can reach 2MB/s (averages 600KB/s) but has a minimum ping of about 600-800ms. Amazing for downloading stuff, not so great for browsing.


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Quote: "This specific method of doing it is actually quite annoying. If I don't want the update, I tell it to go away, but most programs ask again next time you start them. A better method would be a small notification in a statusbar or a balloon notification in Windows.
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I agree, which again is why I like what linux (ubuntu gnome) does. The OS is in charge of updating all installed programs (atleast the ones installed using the package managers). It checks for updates every once in a while and when it finds some, it creates a window behind everything else saying these programs have updates avalible, select which you want to update. You press continue and everything is done in the background without you noticing any effects. And it doesn't download the updates before showing them to you either.

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Have any of you ever looked at the Update Options for Windows? 'Sigh'...



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And it does pop up in a cute bubble in the lower right corner [As long as you did not move the taskbar around lol, so near the clock...]

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Quote: "Have any of you ever looked at the Update Options for Windows?"


Of course. But at strategic times (so as to use as much data as possible), Windows resets my settings. Not often, but just every now and then when I least expect it.

Quote: "And it does pop up in a cute bubble in the lower right corner"


Yes. Windows itself does not create annoying "Update Available" dialogs (it's quite good in that respect), but lots of other programs do.


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Quote: "Of course. But at strategic times (so as to use as much data as possible), Windows resets my settings. Not often, but just every now and then when I least expect it."


"Solve PC issues"

"Change Windows Update settings"

Stay away from there.

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On the subject of managing updates of installed software, Windows has been designed to suck at this because the software it installs is decentralised. Windows does not have a software center or anything along the lines of a software manager at all.

Linux on the other hand does have this, allowing all software to be updated through its package manager:


Or, the more user friendly variant, a notification appears when there is software available:



Clicking on it opens this window which gives you a list of all software packages that are going to be upgraded and the ability to check each package's changelog. You can enable/disable them as you like.



And, as always, it is impossible to install anything on Linux without the user authenticating it:



None of this "backdoor" silent software installation Windows allows.

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