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swissolo
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Posted: 5th Mar 2015 21:59
If I remember right iOS keyboards tend to have bigger buttons and therefore less on the screen at once. It makes sense that you could type more accurately with fewer elements on the screen, but of course there are fewer keys on the screen

Some apps may seem cobbled together, but they're likely to be free hard to argue against that.

Dar13
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Posted: 5th Mar 2015 22:35
Not sure. IMO having a non-OEM ROM is a plus.

Indicium
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Posted: 5th Mar 2015 22:42
Quote: "Not sure. IMO having a non-OEM ROM is a plus. "


Maybe, but I'd imagine it's best to sell it with stock.
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Posted: 5th Mar 2015 23:51
Quote: "It doesn't suck, everything on iOS is designed."


...to be one way and one way only. That's why I don't like it. No choice whatsoever.

Quote: "Everything on Android is cobbled together."


I wouldn't go that far...

Quote: "I'm starting to regret my decision. I'm hoping it grows on me."


Don't regret it! Ok look. The whole point of Android is that if something annoys you, you can change it. Samsung's version of Android has always sucked, so the first thing I would recommend is switching to Cyanogenmod. BIG plus. That brings you back to fairly "vanilla" Android, which is a very good thing (faster, more reliable and less plain dumb than Samsung's software). To help you out I need more info:

- What phone do you have? Exact model will be most helpful.
- Are you looking to have Lollipop specifically or do you not mind having the more stable KitKat?

Quote: "Can I roll it back to OEM should I still hate it and want to sell it?"


Depends on the phone as to difficulty, but generally with Galaxy S3/S4/S5, yes

Quote: "Maybe, but I'd imagine it's best to sell it with stock."


Not always, but you can sell it whichever way you want (OEM or custom)

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Just noticed our MAF sensor's plug is full of oil. If only Mum had actually bought the contact cleaner we asked her to yesterday, we'd be able to clean it and see if that was the problem. Still thinking we'll buy a new sensor anyway since their half price for the next week from an eBay seller in the UK and you're supposed to replace MAF sensors every so often anyway. I suspect the oil will have seeped into the actual electronics of the sensor and killed it outright.

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Posted: 5th Mar 2015 23:58 Edited at: 6th Mar 2015 00:02
Quote: "- What phone do you have? Exact model will be most helpful."

Samsung Galaxy S5 - SM-G900F

Quote: "- Are you looking to have Lollipop specifically or do you not mind having the more stable KitKat?"

Based on what I've read, I'd much prefer KitKat. What improvements does lollipop actually bring to the table?

I've installed an iPhone keyboard and the iOS Control Centre and I feel much more comfortable using it.

Also notifications don't work how I'd expect. I want the lock screen to show my messages and who they're from, but not the actual content of the message. Is there any way to pull this off? From what I can see, you can either have them fully exposed, or fully hidden( just shows which App the notifications are from).

I hope I'm not coming across as anti-Android. I'm obviously not or else I'd not have gotten an Android phone - I'm just very used to how things work on the iPhone, I'd like to get them to work almost exactly the same way on this phone, but give myself the extra freedom and performance. I'd like things to be as consistent as possible across apps.
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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 00:26 Edited at: 6th Mar 2015 00:28
Quote: "One of the inlet valves was too loose and the other was too tight; one of the exhaust valves was good but the other was slightly too tight."
Ah, this reminds me of an idea I have had for a while. This idea would only work on a multi-cylinder engine. Basically, one of the cylinders would have its exhaust valve(s) timed to open right after ignition, as opposed to when the piston reaches the bottom of the cylinder. What would be the point of this idea? It would make the engine super loud! It would also greatly reduce the power and such. Haha, really no point other than that. But I do wonder what that might sound like.

Quote: "only thing broken was clutch handle"
Ah, I remember a story my brother in law told me once. The clutch handle on his bike had fallen off as well, so for a journey from the shop to home, he had to manually grab the cable and pull it out that way. I think he showed me his glove from doing that; it was pretty torn up.

Quote: "It's sad that he died, but I'll still say this: he was an idiot for not wearing his seatbelt."
I agree. I have heard so many people use the "well seatbelts can actually cause deaths!!" excuse, which is just stupid. Or even not wearing it due to comfort, just silly.

Quote: "LOL that dingbat mod! I know who it was, too, 'cause I looked the audit log I've wondered so many times if anyone ever gets their sigs erased by accident"
Haha! Do you mods have a special button that just deletes a signature and automatically replaces it with "your signature has been erased by a mod"? Have any mods posted screenshots of mod controls before? If not, can you post one? I've always been curious.

So I found a video of a 3D printed vinyl record that actually works, which I think is epic:

http://www.theatlantic.com/video/archive/2013/01/3d-printed-records-sound-eerily-like-edisons-early-wax-recordings/266752/

I am not necessarily interested in the fact that it sounds old, more just that it works at all. I notice that repetitive meowing sound (not sure how to describe it) in the background; that must be caused by the grain lines that particle sintering 3D printers produce.

Sorry, you can redo your sig...Stupid Mod pressed the wrong button.
budokaiman
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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 01:01
Quote: " Have any mods posted screenshots of mod controls before?"

Biggadd did once. Sort of. Biggadd posted it.

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swissolo
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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 01:30
Quote: "also notifications don't work how I'd expect. I want the lock screen to show my messages and who they're from, but not the actual content of the message. Is there any way to pull this off?"

That's the default on my Note 4. I'm not quite sure what setting causes it unfortunately it must be possible somehow though

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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 01:42
Quote: "That's the default on my Note 4. I'm not quite sure what setting causes it unfortunately it must be possible somehow though "


Which version of Android are you on?
swissolo
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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 02:10
Quote: "Which version of Android are you on?"

4.4.4

Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 02:15
Quote: "4.4.4"
You should have said 4.0.4. Then I could say page not found.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 02:15 Edited at: 6th Mar 2015 02:17
Quote: "What improvements does lollipop actually bring to the table?"


Lollipop features:

+ Lockscreen notifications. KitKat doesn't have this ability.
+ New precompiled runtime (ART). Theoretically much faster, but Lollipop is so new that on some phones it's quite slow (due to bugs).
+ iOS-style brightness control (not really a plus in my view). I really don't like this or understand why Google did it. Basically you set the approximate brightness you want and Android will use that range. Originally, you set the maximum brightness and Android adjusted across the full range of brightness, which makes much more sense.
+ More modern flat colour schemes and icon design.
+ Google's "Material Design".
+ Newer technology underneath for better security and performance overall.
+ Other things I can't remember - just google it to find more info.

- No lockscreen widgets.
- IMO a terrible brightness system. Never liked iOS' brightness and now Android has it. Meh.
- Other bad things I can't remember.

Quote: "I've installed an iPhone keyboard and the iOS Control Centre"


What iOS keyboard? I couldn't find any. And what on earth is iOS Control Centre?

Quote: "Also notifications don't work how I'd expect. I want the lock screen to show my messages and who they're from, but not the actual content of the message."


Lockscreen notifications are a very new feature in Android, and have limited settings at the moment. I'm certain that will be possible in future versions of Lollipop, but right now I don't think you can just show the sender.

Quote: "I hope I'm not coming across as anti-Android."


No don't worry, you're actually sounding surprisingly willing to compromise given your recent arguments against Android

Quote: "I'm just very used to how things work on the iPhone, I'd like to get them to work almost exactly the same way on this phone, but give myself the extra freedom and performance."


Yeah that's fine, and with Android you should have the flexibility to get pretty close to iOS (although there's some things that are intentionally different because most Android users find the iOS way of doing things a bit dumb).

Quote: "I'd like things to be as consistent as possible across apps."


Honestly, Samsung's TouchWiz interface and associated apps are pretty rubbish. It doesn't do Android justice at all. Your best bet by far would be to upgrade to Cyanogenmod. Hangon, let me go check what Android versions are available in CM...

Ok, so if you're in America, be very careful - on Verizon and AT&T Galaxy S5s, Cyanogenmod will brick the device. If the device is not carrier-specific or you live in the UK or Australia you'll be fine.

Hmm... after more research, it appears the CM11 build (KitKat 4.4) is unstable and the camera is broken (big issue for some people). If you go CM12 (Lollipop 5.x) the majority of it works, but has some minor bugs. Personally I'd be happy to work with a slightly buggy CM12 rather than use TouchWiz, but I don't know about you.

For more info go here and scroll down the Known Issues section. And btw, in my experience those sorts of bugs get fixed reasonably quickly with Cyanogenmod.

Quote: "This idea would only work on a multi-cylinder engine. Basically, one of the cylinders would have its exhaust valve(s) timed to open right after ignition, as opposed to when the piston reaches the bottom of the cylinder. What would be the point of this idea? It would make the engine super loud! It would also greatly reduce the power and such."


And burn out the valves lol

Quote: "Haha! Do you mods have a special button that just deletes a signature and automatically replaces it with "your signature has been erased by a mod"? Have any mods posted screenshots of mod controls before? If not, can you post one? I've always been curious."


Well I don't want to just reveal all the mod powers in one go, but here's why it's easy to accidentally replace a user's sig



Actually, as a fun game, here's a picture with all the images of the buttons we can press, but with the text under them removed. See if you can guess what they do (I may or may not decide to confirm you guesses ):



Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 02:20 Edited at: 6th Mar 2015 02:26
My guesses, in order from left to right:

Flag Post
Flag Post as srsly rofl
Delete Thread
Delete Image
Move Thread
Lock Thread
Put Thread on Watch List
Declare Posting Competition Winner

Quote: "Biog/Interest Changer"
You can change my past and the things I am interested in?? Mind control power the mods have...

Sorry, you can redo your sig...Stupid Mod pressed the wrong button.
Clonkex
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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 02:28 Edited at: 6th Mar 2015 02:35
Quote: "Flag Post as srsly rofl"

Quote: "Declare Posting Competition Winner"


HAHAHA ROFL I'd be clicking that on your post if that's what it did

No, those controls are per-user, not per-post. The per-post controls are a lot more sensible-looking



Oh what. I just discovered I can view a list of all the users with badges and see what badges they have. Someone called PSJ has, like, ALL the badges. Test account much?

EDIT: Just bought the $180 mass air flow sensor from eBay (in the UK). It's a genuine Siemens/VDO OEM part so it'll be a perfect replacement. It had better fix the throttle delay or that will have been a lot of wasted money.

Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 02:38
Ah, that looks neat! What does the Automated Response thing do?

I shall have another guess, then:

Report User for Goatee
User is Sweating Too Much
User Drew Red X on Thread
User Drew Red X on Image
User Drew Green Arrow on Multiple Pages
User Brought Nuclear Waste to Forum
Spy Through User's Bedroom Window
Delete All User's Trophies

Nah, I will give it a real guess:

Ban User
Slap User
not sure
not sure
not sure
not sure
Watch User
Give User Badge

Sorry, you can redo your sig...Stupid Mod pressed the wrong button.
Clonkex
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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 02:49 Edited at: 6th Mar 2015 02:55
Quote: "What does the Automated Response thing do?"


You know how when a thread is locked, we normally post a standardised-looking message? Well you didn't think we typed it out each time, did you?

Wow, three correct guesses. Nice going! The images work like tabs in a browser, showing different options when you click them:

Quote: "Ban User"




Quote: "Slap User"




Quote: "Watch User"


Close, but not quite. You'll probably never guess it. Today is the first time I even clicked on it and it's not at all like I expected

Quote: "Give User Badge"




Quote: "You can change my past and the things I am interested in?? Mind control power the mods have..."


lol Only in case you decide to put things against the AUP in there But yes, you are correct: mods have mind control power (surprisingly handy for maintaining peace when you can just magically make people agree with each other).

Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 03:45
Achievement Get: Unlock Three Moderator Control Names

Quote: "Ban the Numpty
Spank them Hard"
Lol, I love these.

Quote: "Maximum slap period is 30 days."
Now I know...

Quote: "Close, but not quite. You'll probably never guess it."
Hmmm... Something to do with monitoring log in/log out times/IP addresses or the such?

Huh, could you give some hints for those remaining ones?

Sorry, you can redo your sig...Stupid Mod pressed the wrong button.
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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 13:44 Edited at: 6th Mar 2015 13:47
As far as I remember, yes. I think rooting and flashing a new rom will technically void your warranty on samsung phones, but the odds are really slim that it will happen. I believe it's possible to go back to a completley stock version if you want to though.

Edit: Missed the new page

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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 17:49
Well if lock screen notifications are new to lollipop I think I'll stick to lollipop. For the iOS keyboard I'm using Smart Keyboard Pro, although after a little usage I prefer Samsung's keyboard. The iOS control centre is a thing on iOS where you swipe up from the bottom to access torch, timer, calculator, camera, music controls and brightness.

I'm happy to stick with TouchWiz for now as it's nice, the apps are good. Just bloated and the device is a little sluggish but I can deal with that. By brick my device, do you permanently break it?
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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 18:36
These pretzels need to be filtered. These shadow maps are making me thirsty.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 18:46
Bricking can mean permanently breaking it, but the chance of that happening is incredibly slim because android actually allows you to flash custom roms. The only way to hard-brick it would be to flash a custom rom and run out of battery at the same time or something like that. There are also "soft bricks" where the device gets stuck in a bootloop but that's really easy to get out of.

Say ONE stupid thing and it ends up as a forum signature forever. - Neuro Fuzzy
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Posted: 6th Mar 2015 19:13


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Posted: 7th Mar 2015 08:12
Quote: "Lol, I love these."


Me too

Quote: "Now I know..."


If you need to be slapped for more than 30 days, you need a ban

Quote: "Hmmm... Something to do with monitoring log in/log out times/IP addresses or the such?"


Oh, ok. You did guess. Yeah, it's used to aid mods in detecting duplicate accounts for people who deem themselves above a ban

Quote: "Huh, could you give some hints for those remaining ones?"


They are to do with editing users' profiles...

Quote: "The iOS control centre is a thing on iOS where you swipe up from the bottom to access torch, timer, calculator, camera, music controls and brightness."


Ugh, I hate that thing so much. Anyway that's what the quick-settings menu does. Just drag down from the top of the screen with two fingers or drag down with one finger twice.

Quote: "By brick my device, do you permanently break it?"


Soft brick = Non-permanently broken - this is the most common type of bricking. Generally results in a boot-loop. Fixable via recovery.
Hard brick = Permanently broken - actually pretty rare and very difficult to achieve. You've done something seriously wrong if you hard-brick your phone. Can sometimes be reversed by sending back to manufacturer.

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Had a nasty virus for the first time in, like, evaaa. Took me ages to get rid of it, hence the big delay in posting here. Gotta go in for tea now BUT:

Unity 5 WITH ALL ENGINE FEATURES is now FREE!!!

Go insane. It's true.

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Unreal Engine 4 is entirely free with all features and source code.

Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 7th Mar 2015 08:24
Quote: "Yeah, it's used to aid mods in detecting duplicate accounts for people who deem themselves above a ban"
Ah, so, that button is how they caught Strawberry Cheesecake.

Quote: "They are to do with editing users' profiles"
Thanks for the hint smarty.

Sorry, you can redo your sig...Stupid Mod pressed the wrong button.
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Posted: 7th Mar 2015 09:24
Quote: "Unreal Engine 4 is entirely free with all features and source code."


Yeah but I'm a Unity person, so I'm more excited about Unity being virtually completely free. Of course if Unreal 4 hadn't been made free, Unity wouldn't be free either, so I'm immensely grateful to Epic for forging such awesome changes in the game dev industry!

Quote: "Ah, so, that button is how they caught Strawberry Cheesecake."


Probably yeah

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Posted: 7th Mar 2015 12:12













Been playing around with 3D fractals using this program. Some of these took me over 2 hours to render.

3D fractals are objects with an infinite surface area. This means you can zoom in to them infinitely, and you’ll always see incredible details. Most fractals are calculated using a simple formula, such as the original 2D Mandelbrot formula: Z -> Z^2 + c.

It is this simplicity that makes these objects such a fascination.

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Posted: 7th Mar 2015 20:09
Sweet, the bottom and third to bottom ones are my favorites.

Quote: "infinite surface area"
That's fascinating. An object which sits inside of a finite volume of space contacts said volume with an infinite surface area.

Sorry, you can redo your sig...Stupid Mod pressed the wrong button.
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Holy... I don't know how this works, but it does, and it's brilliant.

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/metallica_and_hall_oates_mashup

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Posted: 7th Mar 2015 22:14 Edited at: 7th Mar 2015 22:27
Holy... I don't know how this works, but it does, and it's points.

Quote: "That's fascinating. An object which sits inside of a finite volume of space contacts said volume with an infinite surface area."


Indeed. Intuitively, it doesn't really make sense at all, but maths says it's possible thanks to limits. Actually, there's a lot of unintuitive stuff in maths when applying limits. Take the function f(x)=log(x):



If you examine what happens when x approaches ∞, it's counter-intuitive that f(x) would also equal ∞, because the curve keeps getting flatter and flatter. And yet, lim x->∞ log(x) = ∞.

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Indeed. I have always been fascinated by limits. I didn't take calculus, though, so my knowledge of them is only basic. But yeah, that is neat.

Gah, why must the NYSE be closed on weekends? I can't trade in the simulator until Monday.

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Posted: 8th Mar 2015 04:52 Edited at: 8th Mar 2015 04:53
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You lost mod status? Why?

My phone battery lasted more than 6 hours. I feel limitless.
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Posted: 8th Mar 2015 05:03 Edited at: 8th Mar 2015 05:06
Quote: "Maybe I'll return when I'm not so upset... maybe..."
Wait whaaaat... Was it a mistake made by other mods/admins?

Did it have to do with your Unity 5 thread? I see that thread no longer has the offensive tag.

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Sorry man, I'm sure it's disappointing, but i do think you could do with a few more years worth of experience / maturity before you are quite ready for it tbh. You volunteered when it was needed and that's great, but I'm not sure it was quite working out.

(To be clear, I made no complaints, had nothing to do with it, nothing personal, just my 2c)

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Posted: 8th Mar 2015 05:42
Quote: " You lost mod status? Why?"

I would guess that it's because he started using mod powers when they weren't necessary. Such as the Unity 5 thread and some other threads when he was only supposed to moderate the Posting Competition thread.

Just a guess, I hope a mod pops in and clarifies(though I doubt they will due to previous decisions).

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Posted: 8th Mar 2015 06:39 Edited at: 8th Mar 2015 06:46
Has this ever happened before in TGC history? I know that Baxslash resigned after a short run as a mod, but I am not sure a mod has had their status removed before, that I personally recall. Bummer because Baxslash and Clonkex were both, during their times of service, my favored mods.

With Clonkex gone, Thraxas is now my favorite mod; he'd better watch his back!

Sorry, you can redo your sig...Stupid Mod pressed the wrong button.
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Posted: 8th Mar 2015 07:03
I was going to be all dramatic and just not show up here for months, but after being in the hot sun on the brush cutter doing the fence lines for an hour, this forum feels kind of comforting... even if I'm still upset about being demoted so suddenly and without warning.

I have to say... I feel totally powerless now... all those bookmarks... Mods Lounge... Approval List... Audit Log... it doesn't help that they rub it in with big "You're not a mod" banners when I try to open them...

I somewhat surprised by just how dejected I'm feeling... apparently I was more attached to being a mod than I thought (I mean, it does feel like a massive step backwards in some respects)... But my biggest disappointment is no longer being able to help people; I can't change thread titles, I can't approve posts... I can't even delete my own Unity 5 thread!

Quote: "You lost mod status? Why?"


Yeah....

Quote: "Was it a mistake made by other mods/admins?"


No, unfortunately. It was very much intentional

Quote: "Did it have to do with your Unity 5 thread? I see that thread no longer has the offensive tag."


In part, yes. From the email I got from KeithC (senior mod) I gathered that it was that thread that did it. Apparently we're not really supposed to discuss competing engines on this forum. I wish they'd make up their minds! ARGH I was GOING to link the post where VanB said it was ok to post WIPs for other engines at the moment and they would work out actual rules if it became a problem but I can't get to it because it's in the freaking MOD LOUNGE!

The other mods (oh, right - there's no "other" any more) sometimes make a comparison between TGC's forums and Unity's forums, or Unreal's forums. They say that those forums wouldn't allow discussion about competing products, so why should TGC? Because TGC doesn't make a single product! They make and sell a wide variety of products. Their forums are not just product support forums (like Unity's or Unreal's forums), they a general game dev forums. It's unrealistic to expect people to just not talk about engines TGC doesn't sell.

Whatever.

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Quote: "Sorry man, I'm sure it's disappointing"


Very...

Quote: "but i do think you could do with a few more years worth of experience / maturity before you are quite ready for it tbh"


I desperately want to argue against that statement, but if I'm honest with myself I think you're right. Well, either I need to simply grow older, or I need to stop trying to be a "normal guy" at the same time as a "person in power". That was my problem (although why it was a problem I have yet to work out). All my life I've said that when I inevitably ended up in some position of power (even if just as a father), I'd always remember where I'd come from and who I was. That is, I wouldn't ever think of myself as "above" those I had power over. That's like the ideal leader. Firm and strict when necessary, but also understanding and compassionate. It would seem I failed to achieve that difficult balance (it did turn out to be harder than I expected).

At the very least I know for certain that I've learned an immensely from the experience of being a mod. Even if I never achieve mod status on any other forum, the experience will help me elsewhere. Argh I'm going on about rubbish...

Quote: "You volunteered when it was needed and that's great, but I'm not sure it was quite working out."


Well apparently it wasn't!

Quote: "I would guess that it's because he started using mod powers when they weren't necessary."


Not really. Marking that thread as offensive was like the only time I abused my power, and in my opinion was extremely minor. It was because it was compounded with posting a thread about a competing engine (which was BIG NEWS and extremely exciting, I mean COME ON).

Quote: "when he was only supposed to moderate the Posting Competition thread."


Hah no, originally I was mod-ified to handle the post-comp, but my main responsibilities extended to all of the Geek Culture board. That's why you may have noticed I posted in almost all new threads in GC, because I read every thread and so that I would have email notifications of new posts.

Quote: "My phone battery lasted more than 6 hours. I feel limitless."


Your Samsung? Haha yeah, iPhones do have pretty tiny batteries

Hhhh I have to go do a tip run and it's getting late.

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See, that rule is kinda weird. It's their forums though. Sorry to hear you got bit by it.

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Posted: 8th Mar 2015 07:29
Quote: "I can't change thread titles, I can't approve posts... I can't even delete my own Unity 5 thread!"
#exmodproblems

Quote: "Apparently we're not really supposed to discuss competing engines on this forum"
This is silly.

Quote: "It's unrealistic to expect people to just not talk about engines TGC doesn't sell"
I agree! Whichever way TGC go in regards of allowing or disallowing such talk, it would be great if they indeed made the rule rather clear. I personally find it that disallowing discussion of other engines is greatly detrimental. Sure, maybe it is indeed promoting something other than a TGC product, but the extra activity created by such conversations make the forum more lively and inviting, and thus, help TGC in their pursuit of selling their own products. Disallowing talk of other engines gives off a bureaucratic whiff to me.

Quote: "was extremely minor"
I have nothing against you at all, as you know (you were my favorite mod), but I have to disagree with you here. It wasn't a destructive use of your power, per se, but to be really honest, it seemed a little immature. Please don't take that the wrong way; I do immature things all the time too. Also the fact that us regular users haven't the power to promote a thread like that -- you were just using that power to your own self gain. I know it sounds like I am putting you down, I totally am not. I am just trying to explain how I saw it, and how the other mods probably saw it as well.

Quote: "Well, either I need to simply grow older, or I need to stop trying to be a "normal guy" at the same time as a "person in power""
I, in my current life (we are similar ages, you're at least a year older), struggle with the same kind of thing. I want to be normal, yet (if I'm honest) have great power, and further yet be a good and honest leader all at the same time. Men in general desire power, but I think us teenaged guys are really susceptible to that. And then of course there comes the desire to be normal and fit in, and from my own personal beliefs (which you share if I recall), I wish to be a leader of sorts. Pft, not being a fully matured individual sucks sometimes.

I felt like I was going to say something else. Well the edit button is there if I think of it.

Sorry, you can redo your sig...Stupid Mod pressed the wrong button.
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Well, the important thing is that even in failure we grow, you have and will.

Promotions / advancements in anything (social status, job position, whatever) which places you above and give power over your one time peers requires you to place some distance between yourself and them. That's not to say you abandon them, abuse them, or ignore them, but your no longer just 'one of the guys' you have to realize that the dynamic has changed whether you want it to of not. Do mods / managers often seem somewhat aloof? Yes, they need to be.

Trying to evenly balance and keep a foot in both worlds rarely works out well in the end.

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Posted: 8th Mar 2015 08:28
Quote: "See, that rule is kinda weird. It's their forums though. Sorry to hear you got bit by it."


Indeed it is their forums, and as much as I disagree with the "rule", that's not the problem - the problem is that there is no rule.

Quote: "#exmodproblems"


lol Thank goodness I'm starting to get used to it. I was worried I was never going to be able to come back here without being upset about not being a mod, and THAT would have been silly

Quote: "This is silly."


If you see this forum as a general game dev forum (as I do), then yes.

Quote: "Disallowing talk of other engines gives off a bureaucratic whiff to me."


As it does me, but in the car going to the tip today I was thinking about how I my plan was now to become a millionaire and buy TGC outright so I could make myself a mod again (shutup, I was daydreaming) and it occurred to me that I would have to sort out the rules for the forum... and that I would probably also disallow discussion of other engines. Basically, as a user it seems better to allow that; as a CEO (in my imagination) it seems better to disallow it.

Quote: "Also the fact that us regular users haven't the power to promote a thread like that -- you were just using that power to your own self gain."


What?? Oh! Now that's a bit of a revelation! I never even considered that it seemed as though I was promoting my own thread. No wonder I was de-modded! Honestly, I was promoting the news, not my thread. I was just so excited that I wanted to share that news with everyone didn't want anyone to miss it. I was genuinely expecting everyone to be as excited as was!

Quote: "I, in my current life (we are similar ages, you're at least a year older)"


Turning 20 this March

Quote: "Pft, not being a fully matured individual sucks sometimes."


lol yeah

Tea time!

Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 8th Mar 2015 09:23
Sent you a PM, Clonkex!

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The Zoq2
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The demotion seems really weird to me, sure, you did somewhat abuse your power and yea, you did advertise unity 4 but it was a single instance and something you would probably have stopped doing if you knew it wasn't allowed. Demoting a mod as soon as they do something unallowed just gives you a new less experienced mod to fill that spot. It would have been a diffirent thing if you knew about the rule or if you did this kind of stuff regularly.

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Posted: 8th Mar 2015 10:16
I do agree. Have not other mods also made silly mistakes, and yet were not instantly demoted without warning or second chance? I can't show an example, but I am sure it's occurred.

Sorry, you can redo your sig...Stupid Mod pressed the wrong button.
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Posted: 8th Mar 2015 11:39
Quote: "With Clonkex gone, Thraxas is now my favorite mod; he'd better watch his back!"


Oh no. I'll be sure to wear my mirrored sunglasses so no one can sneak up on me.

Quote: "you have to realize that the dynamic has changed whether you want it to of not."


This was the biggest adjustment to make on the forums once I became I mod. Discussions that I once would have been able to take part in, I couldn't any longer. People I used to joke around with treated me differently, even though I hadn't changed. And some opinions, I just have to keep to myself.

I post less and often must seem like I'm grumpy, when in reality, I'm just making an unpopular decision because it has to be made.

I didn't change but the way I acted on the forums had to.
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Posted: 8th Mar 2015 11:50
Quote: " Apparently we're not really supposed to discuss competing engines on this forum."


Whenever I've seen Unity/UDK mentioned here people have always been quick to point out that "they are not competing with tgc products, they are completely different things", which made sense because I'm not sure competing against those engines would end up very well.
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Posted: 8th Mar 2015 12:27
Quote: "you have to realize that the dynamic has changed whether you want it to of not."


Very much this. Whether it is a promotion, or a change or job or anything that gives you more power over a person then the dynamic must change.

You go through it a lot in life. Whether its as simple as becoming a mod on a forum, or taking on a new role, you learn to adapt. You can still be yourself, but you have to maintain a certain amount of distance with people.

I'm in a position of power at my work, in fact I'm in quite a position of power, as there only exists a couple of people who are above me. But the people below me I am very fond of, I would consider them my friends and some of them are older than me.

The dynamics have changed somewhat, but it just has to if you want to be a leader. Its difficult to explain, but it comes with experience! But even now I still find it difficult.

I had to have a serious word with one of the developers the other day, and normally we would be quite friendly and have a good laugh and a chat, and that was very difficult for me to sit him down and discuss his short comings.

You can still be yourself, but you need to adapt a little!

Don't take it to heart Clonkex. You seem like a really nice guy, so don't let this change who you are

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Posted: 8th Mar 2015 12:33 Edited at: 8th Mar 2015 12:45
Quote: "Well, the important thing is that even in failure we grow, you have and will."


Whoops, didn't see your post, Ortu. Yeah, it's definitely been a learning experience... both gaining mod status and losing it.

Quote: "Trying to evenly balance and keep a foot in both worlds rarely works out well in the end."


I don't see why that is. It should be easy to keep that balance...

I think that in the end, I was trying to maintain that balance by effectively reducing the apparent authority I had. It would seem that didn't work, so I'll try something else next time!

Quote: "The demotion seems really weird to me, sure, you did somewhat abuse your power and yea, you did advertise unity 4 but it was a single instance and something you would probably have stopped doing if you knew it wasn't allowed. Demoting a mod as soon as they do something unallowed just gives you a new less experienced mod to fill that spot. It would have been a diffirent thing if you knew about the rule or if you did this kind of stuff regularly."


Apparently it was also because I stood up so strongly for TheComet. The other mods all seemed to think we were friends or something (and I mean we are kind of, but not outside these forums), when in reality I was just trying very hard to make sure TheComet wasn't being punished for something he hadn't done. The thing is, I've been in very similar situations, where someone thinks you've done something wrong but you can't prove you didn't for so long that when you finally do prove it, they're so annoyed and irritated by you that they no longer care and won't change their mind. It's horrible. Their view of you is so aversely affected by what they think you did that they refuse to listen when you try to prove you didn't do it.

Quote: "Have not other mods also made silly mistakes, and yet were not instantly demoted without warning or second chance?"


I get the feeling that most of the mods either became mods back when TGC was young and it was quite difficult to do the wrong thing (and they were probably much more forgiving back then) or they were already older ("experienced") people and just happened to know what TGC expects of you. I'm probably the first new mod who's also really young, so when I made a mistake (or a couple, apparently) they didn't have any experience in handling me and were forced to chuck me out. Is that fair? No, I don't think so. Am I going to fight it? No, not right now. I've had a stressful enough day as it is with losing mod status; I'm going to just ignore it for a little while and let everything (including my emotions) settle down and THEN, maybe, push for a better system.

Just FYI: When you first become a mod, there's no instructions, guidance or training. It's just, "Here's you mod badge, off you go!" Sure, you can ask the other mods and they're perfectly happy to help out (BiggAdd especially! ), but there's no way whatsoever of knowing if you're doing your job right.

Quote: "Whenever I've seen Unity/UDK mentioned here people have always been quick to point out that "they are not competing with tgc products, they are completely different things", which made sense because I'm not sure competing against those engines would end up very well."


+1

EDIT:

Quote: "I had to have a serious word with one of the developers the other day, and normally we would be quite friendly and have a good laugh and a chat, and that was very difficult for me to sit him down and discuss his short comings."


That's how I expect it to be! Most of the time you consider yourselves equals, except that those under you must respect you and you must be firm when necessary. Obviously in real life it's not that simple (if you get too friendly with people they might be hurt when you are forced to firm with them) but in general I thought I was succeeding pretty well at this.

Ok here's an idea: Did anyone else here think I was failing at being in a position of power? If so, how and why? Be honest. Remember, I'm pretty unoffendable. I'll either defend my position if I think you're wrong or I'll learn from what you say

Quote: "You can still be yourself, but you need to adapt a little!"


Did I not adapt enough, or did I simply fail at a representing TGC? Because I'm starting to realise exactly why I was demoted. It wasn't because I was failing a being a mod generally (TheComet is a separate issue - I was standing up for him because justice was failing; I would have done the same for anyone, even people I didn't like), I was demoted because I didn't represent TGC well. First of all, I didn't know I was supposed to! It does say in the AUP that we're just volunteer members of the public, does it not? That doesn't imply we're TGC representatives! Second, there's nothing in the AUP or board rules that says we can't talk about non-TGC products. I wasn't ignorant of the law, there WAS no law!

Quote: "Don't take it to heart Clonkex. You seem like a really nice guy, so don't let this change who you are"


I won't! It'll change how I act in future positions of power, but not who I am

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I want points

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