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RedneckRambo
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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 00:06 Edited at: 15th Aug 2008 00:12
Lately I've been heavily thinking of the military. It has so many benefits for my education. But I just want your guys input on this.

Also, do I go in as a higher rank if I go to a Junior college before I go in the military or is that only if I go to a 4 year.

I probably should just go to a nearby recruiter, but I'm just wondering what you guys think about this.

Will the military really help me later in my life?

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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 00:08
Quote: "I am aware that this is a game design forum so I'm not sure how many here have experienced any military lol."

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RedneckRambo
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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 00:12
Like I said, I'm not sure how many have experience but now I know that there are some. I'll edit that out lol.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 00:19
I have an uncle in the national guard who loves it, and a friend in the navy who is starting to hate his life because of the military. So it's not for everyone.

Make sure it's something you really want to do. Also remember there are other ways to pay your way through college even if the military makes it 'easy' it's probably not worth getting your head blown off for if you get shipped out. Make sure you're joining the military for the right reasons. If you genuinely want to go to the military to help your country out that's the best attitude to have. If you're going in for selfish reasons I'd say you might be more likely to end up hating your time there. But hey, I've never joined up, so don't take my word for it. This is all purely observation.

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RedneckRambo
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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 00:24
The military is something I've been thinking about for years. I don't want to go just for the benefits but they just seem like they would help. I've always wanted to my part for my country.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 00:33
You definitely have to understand the finality of the decision. You don't want to be stuck there miserable.

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RedneckRambo
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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 00:38
Quote: "You definitely have to understand the finality of the decision. You don't want to be stuck there miserable."

I know, that's why I'm trying to get some input from all of you.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 01:30
i myself have been thinking about the coast guard and sure you get your benefits but just make sure you really want to do it. you got 4 years of your life devoted to the millitary if you make this decision so think about good and hard.


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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 01:50
Depends on the deal. One of my sons got the normal four year benefits (Army College Fund and Montgomery Aid Bill) by signing up for only two years in the field artillary. When he was discharged they put him through his 4 years bachellor's degree. Check if they have that deal still; this was about 10 years ago or maybe more. As I recall, you got the benefits that would normally only come with a four years enlistment if your two year enlistment specifically committed to either the infantry or the field artillary. Bear in mind that enlistment in either of those units carries greater risks.
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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 02:33
Jimmy is in the army ... I know that...
I lived practically on a US Army base for 5 months, got to know a LOT of people in the military. They have some really good benefits - Education, health, etc. I hear that right now the army has a way high enlistment bonus.

But of course, the downside to all of that is you have people shooting at you... with real bullets.


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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 02:47
Quote: "the downside to all of that is you have people shooting at you... with real bullets"


You can re-spawn though, right?

I've thought it would be a great way to see parts of the world most people wouldn't get to, and learn skills most people wouldn't get to. There would also be a lot of memories, unfortunately some you'd rather not remember.

I tried to find some information on the i.t. side of the military a while back, when I didn't have a clue what I wanted to do with my life, I couldn't find the kind of information I wanted and I don't think I would have gone any further than reading it to be honest.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 08:18
Quote: "Also, do I go in as a higher rank if I go to a Junior college before I go in the military or is that only if I go to a 4 year."


IIRC 24+ credits starts tiers of a higher rank, for OCS you need 90+ credits

RedneckRambo
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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 08:20
Quote: "IIRC 24+ credits starts tiers of a higher rank, for OCS you need 90+ credits"

Hmmmm, interesting.

If I go to a nearby recruiter, do they tell me all of this information?

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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 11:35
they should, these are the numbers I remember when they were trying to recruit me.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 11:43
I did the ADF Gap Year with the Army as a Commando, and it was amazing fun. I would have joined the RAAF as a pilot after that... but the minimum period of service was 14.5 years, so I just buggered it all.

Quote: "Will the military really help me later in my life?"


Yes. There's no doubt that 1 year really changed my perspectives on many things, and taught me invaluable life skills, least of all my level of respect for the TAG (Tactical Assault Group) guys who do it for a living, 24/7.


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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 14:30 Edited at: 15th Aug 2008 14:43
your already doing what i would (and did at one point).

your already trying to doing research; looking for people that have been in the service, NOT recuiters.

you could go to the recuiter. but from personal XP:



want to have some questions for them? beside the normal stuff they have in their head by now?

http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/miltutorials/general_intro.html#aircraft

pick a section from the 'Tuts by Subject'; pick a platform, and start reading. the site use to be much better; but now you have to use the search to find actual details (M1A2, T-80U, M-16A2, AK-103; things like that).

personally, i can not stand most of the people i'v met who servered in the US military.

it's great if you do, good for you if you make it and get the ben's and bonus's, but it is a choice you make. no one is forcing you to (yet) and make that choice does not make you better then any one else.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 16:18
A cousin of mine died in the military. Got shot in the face when climbing over a mountain edge where they thought there would be some terrorists - he was in charge of the group, but he went first anyway instead of risking his men's life. Well, there were terrorist, and the last thing he saw most likely was the gun. They hunted them down, though - killed all three of them.

Doesn't take away he's dead now.

Take into account all risks and benefits and try to make a well-funded choice. I think that the whole army benefits system is a horrible thing anyway. People should either all be forced into the military, or should all be voluntary. Blackmailing them into service. Bah.


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Peter H
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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 17:35
Don't do it for the money.

Make sure you would be willing to kill someone at command.
(You also have to be able to trust that whoever told you to kill them was right.)

Don't do it for the money.

Realize that you can't quit just because you feel like it.

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Veron
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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 18:15
The money isn't even that great in the military over here (not sure about the US), doing the gap year is about $35k for the year (AUD), and a full time pilot gets about 60k maximum, depending on your rank.


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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 19:13
Quote: "The money isn't even that great in the military over here (not sure about the US), doing the gap year is about $35k for the year (AUD), and a full time pilot gets about 60k maximum, depending on your rank."

But you also get room and board, even when not active, don't you?


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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 19:20
Quote: "But you also get room and board, even when not active, don't you?"


The pay and benefits for the military is very good in the US. That said, you shouldn't join for the money. If you do, you'll be very unhappy.


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Veron
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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 19:49
Quote: "But you also get room and board, even when not active, don't you?"


I'm fairly sure that to live on base it costs extra, although it's heavily subsidised.


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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 23:16
Thank you guys for all the replies. I think the military is definitely something I'll be doing.



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I would suggest you doing it. You need the discipline.

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RedneckRambo
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Quote: "I would suggest you doing it. You need the discipline."

Hahaha, you're a funny guy Alan lol. I'll admit though, I could use some discipline lol.

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Wha...? The military?! But... But.. How will you internets?!
Just kidding, if you think you can handle it, go for it. It'll help you save money for college (if you haven't already gone.) and it really strengthens everything about you; Mind, body, character, willpower... I haven't been in the military personally, but I know some people who have.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2008 05:59
Quote: "it really strengthens everything about you; Mind, body, character, willpower..."

Either that or it breaks all of those.


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Posted: 16th Aug 2008 06:02
Quote: "Either that or it breaks all of those."

I think I'm ready to take that chance.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2008 06:17
Quote: "I'm fairly sure that to live on base it costs extra, although it's heavily subsidised."

Not in the US Military; it's all covered (some utilities may cost a little at some bases, but they were all paid for when I was active).

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Posted: 16th Aug 2008 06:18
Keith what was your experience like in the military?

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It was (and still is) varied. Some days I just didn't feel like being there, and others made it all worth while. It's really up to your attitude. No matter what you choose, there will always be those who support you and those who berate you. That's just the way it is.

As a whole, I wouldn't have traded my military experience for anything; it helped shape who I am today, and made me appreciate what I have alot more. I was also more serious about College when I got out of active duty.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2008 06:25
Okay, well I think I've come to a final conclusion. I think it's definitely something I should do.

Thanks for all the help guys.

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Quote: "Not in the US Military; it's all covered (some utilities may cost a little at some bases, but they were all paid for when I was active)."


Lucky US buggers.


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If ur thinking about joining the US military you will be fighting for a great country!



BLESS AMERICA



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Quote: "you will be fighting for a great country!"


It's quite a shame anyone has to fight for any country...

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Quote: "It's quite a shame anyone has to fight for any country..."


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Posted: 16th Aug 2008 07:58
Quote: "Blackmailing them into service. Bah."


Who said anything about blackmail?

My sis has been in the Canadian Forces for almost 10 years, and there was a time when she would have sworn by it. Her army ex-husband, when they were married at the time, got "lucky" and shipped off to Israel for 6 months instead of Afghanistan. Because they make everyone do a tour somewhere in the world (could be good, could be rough), she had a few kids to delay the process. Thing is, if she quits after her duty, which is 20 years total, she will get a full pension. She'll be 40 and can start a whole new career with an army pension backup. Not too shabby Good luck whatever you choose.


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Screw this whole post: I'm editing twelve minutes of typing out because basically, Agent Dink has summarized my feelings a few posts back.


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Quote: "It's quite a shame anyone has to fight for any country..."


true


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Quote: "Thing is, if she quits after her duty, which is 20 years total, she will get a full pension."


Totally forgot about that, the full military pensions are great, although over here i'm not sure how long you have to be in service for to be applicable for one...


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Quote: "If ur thinking about joining the US military you will be fighting for a great country!"

What's so great about it?

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Quote: "What's so great about it?
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Second.


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Quote: "What's so great about it?"

I could say the same thing about France.

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Quote: "I could say the same thing about France.
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Could you say the same thing about Sweden?


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Quote where I called France 'great'. I'm sorry, mindless patriotism just annoys me.

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No point in getting into this arguement as it will just result in a closed thread.

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America is a great country for it's diversity and it's a powerful country too lol. But let's not talk about that, we're talking about the military.

Quote: "Could you say the same thing about Sweden?"

No. How could anyone talk bad about the origin of Swedish bikini models? Hahahaha.

20 years in the military might be a little too much for me. However, I can't really say that because I haven't experienced the military.

Thanks again for all the help.

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Quote: "No. How could anyone talk bad about the origin of Swedish bikini models? Hahahaha.
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I was just waiting for someone to say that


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Quote: "I'm sorry, mindless patriotism just annoys me."


Cheers to that. I also find it irritating.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2008 11:10 Edited at: 17th Aug 2008 11:17
Quote: "If I go to a nearby recruiter, do they tell me all of this information?"

The recruiters will tell you anything. However, they are salesman desperately trying to fill a quota. The thing about being a new recruit is that you just have no idea what to really ask. The recruiters will volunteer as little as possible to get you jazzed up and to sign the contract.

One recruiter told me that after basic training it was just a matter of going to work, then playing basketball and video games. That sounded bogus, but I didn't join to be lazy so I didn't care. I joined to go through Airborne and Air Assault schools and to do Army stuff.

The bottom line while in garrison is that they take a lot of your time. You typically arrive at 6:00, do PT (work out) until 7:30, shower and eat and come back to work at 0900 and typically stay until 1800 (6 p.m.). It basically amounts to 12 hour days. You do get plenty of days off and there are also family days where you get off early.

The reality is that you won't spend all of your time in garrison. You'll get deployed. Then they've taken all of your time. It's relatively dangerous, but in reality you aren't that likely to die. When you are deployed, though, you'll make the greatest friends ever (provided that you're not a weirdo). Nothing binds like common misery. It's the people that make it a worthwhile experience, not the organization itself (benefits aside).

The educational benefits are great, and the health care is unmatched in America. I feel sorry for everyone in America that has to decide between taking their kid to the doctor and buying groceries. I can take my kids to the doctor for a cold to get Tylenol for 'free' if I want to.

You also get food and board in addition to your pay. If you are single and low ranked you stay in the barracks, which aren't great but I had a lot of fun. When you get married or have kids (probably both) then they pay you extra for housing and food. If you live on base you just don't get that extra pay. It's worth it though because all utilities are included. The only reason it wouldn't be worth it is if your family is too big to fit in the standard sized military house or if you and your spouse are both military.

A big risk, though, is becoming an alcoholic. A disturbing number of vets have severe problems. I drank a LOT in the Army, and although don't have addictive tendencies I still drink more than I should.

If you join, good luck. There is lots of practical information available for you, here and elsewhere.

Quote: "If ur thinking about joining the US military you will be fighting for a great country!"

Living abroad has really opened my eyes about my country. I'm patriotic, I love America, but at times I am deeply embarrassed about and for it. By the same token no place I've been has been perfect. Every country that I've been to has something fantastic and lousey about it. America's shortcomings would probably be the health care, crime, and its blind isolationism. Like I recently heard in Amsterdam, "Here we have marijuana, in America you have guns. Which do you think is worse?"


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