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Deathead
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Quote: "That's ridiculous. People can have the most extravagant expectations. And what's worse is its self-perpetuated (like your opinion). Everyone was expecting the PS3 to cure cancer (pun intended), and no one was expecting the Wii to be successful. All you basically did was set the bar for each console at an unfair advantage and claim one was better because it met different standards... Makes absolutely no sense."


I smell fanboy.
Quote: "I don't think Halo is hardcore. Gears I don't know yet. Still haven't had a chance to play it. "


Halo is not a game to get all this hype but still kick-ass. But Gears of war is kick-ass. And I think the worst 360 game ever to come out is fusion frenzy 2.

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@Deathead
Why when anyone says anything vaguely supportive of the PS3 do you start calling them a fan boy? It's starting to annoy me, but I guess that's your plan

It's true that far too much was expected of the PS3 and Microsoft were still getting praised for just attempting to make a console.
I have to give MS credit; although I hated the XBox, I think they've really stepped up a gear with the 360.

Does anyone know why it is called 360?

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Quote: "Why when anyone says anything vaguely supportive of the PS3 do you start calling them a fan boy? It's starting to annoy me, but I guess that's your plan "

If you knew to see sarcasm over the internet you'll know that its sarcasm. Fanboys are who make up any silly reason.

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I think Sony are almost completely to blame for building expectations for the PS3 so high, both E3 2005 and 2006 all they really said was "PS3 is going to blow you away", "PS3 is like nothing else", "PS3 is by a long way the most powerful games console of all time".

The truth is it is slightly better than the 360 is some respects and slightly worse in others, and most importantly it is (currently) significantly worse in terms of software.

They basically promised that they would deliver something significantly better than what Microsoft were offering, and people are still waiting for that, and they are going to be waiting a long time.

It'll have it's AAA exclusives eventually - like every console has - but I don't think it will improve their position from 3rd place. Mario couldn't save the N64, Halo couldn't save the Xbox, Metroid and couldn't save the Gamecube, and FFXIII won't save the PS3.

Even if it has the best games, I can't see it ever having the best library and in the end that is what really sells consoles.

Quote: "although I hated the XBox"


That screams fanboy. Why and how can you hate a console? 100% pure fanboy statement.

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For some strange reason. I think that sony got desperate. Like the ps2 was making loads of dough, and then Microsoft realised the bad-ass xbox. Then Ps2 went down in customers. Xbox had more. I think that Sony of course was p***ed off so then when the 360 was annouced Sony went "We're not having that!" then announced the ps3.

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@Deathead - Is that really how your brain works, or are you a bit off? The console companies plan their consoles several generations ahead. You can't think of the entire industry as a human conversation.

PS3 is now being marketed as a Blu-Ray player instead of a game machine. Sony has the most bizarre strategies.

I also hate how I have to install a demo after downloading it on my PS3. WTF?

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I'm a kid. I wonder off time to time.

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Quote: "PS3 is now being marketed as a Blu-Ray player instead of a game machine. Sony has the most bizarre strategies."


I thought Kaz Hirai said its still a game console

People should just do their own research IMO. Especially in such a small market...
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Quote: "They basically promised that they would deliver something significantly better than what Microsoft were offering, and people are still waiting for that, and they are going to be waiting a long time."


Exactly, Chris. People had high expectations because everything said about the PS3 told us it would an amazing console, one that went beyond the 360's capabilities; I haven't seen that happen, at least not entirely.

Quote: "Am I the only one that doesn't consider Halo and Gears of War hardcore? A hardcore game is something that is rock hard--- in my opinion. Like one of those crazy Japanese shooters."


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Not long after that announcement, a set of ad booklets was released for shops that has four sections, one about HD, one about online, one about Blu-ray and one about games.

It's not being marketed as a Blu-ray player, but it's not a games console either, more of a multimedia device.

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Quote: "I thought Kaz Hirai said its still a game console"


Well, I've done my research and all the major sites are saying the same thing. After TGS, Sony is marketing their PS3 as a Blu-Ray player first, game player second.

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I thought it was opposite of that... As its a Blu-Ray player "also".
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Well, obviously Sony has realized that the huge lack of great games for it means that it can no longer even be considered a game console; more of a Blu-Ray player with some extra features lol

Let's see how many people actually take the time to read this...
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lmao that's pretty funny
poor Sony "why does no one want to make games for us "

New PS3 Advert
"The PS3 functions as a games console, blu-ray/DVD player, and door stop"

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@ Raven, you should write a summary at the bottom of all of your posts.

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ok heres my ranking:

1.PC - can do everything
2.PS3 - got blue-ray, a good controller (XBOX STOLE IT!), and better GFX(because of blu-ray)
3.XBOX 360 - got more games(like halo i guess)
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2,0123,012.Wii - yer...


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I wouldn't really say bluray gives it better graphics... it would be a bit of a stretch. Although it could possibly provide larger room for textures and models and what not but as far as Graphical power, not at all.

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Quote: "a good controller (XBOX STOLE IT!)"


Except they managed to put the analogue stick in the right place .

I really don't see the problem in "stealing" ideas like that (as an end user, if I was the idea guy I'd be mightily pissed off), I mean it's like saying Sony stole the hard-drive idea from the Xbox.

So what, it's an awesome idea and now all PS3s have HDDs - it's great.

Same deal with motion sensing and also PSN, everyone said it was just a rip off of XBL, well it is, and it will probably end up being just as good.

If the consoles didn't learn from each other we really wouldn't have come very far at all, would we. It's the competition between the companies that are making great new ideas, and all three main companies have contributed just as good ideas as each other.

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Okay I have to say this, halo is a great game and yea some may say the story sucks but it pulled me in, I love political corruption which is why I loved the distruptions in halo 2, 3 is going to be great and on top of it all, mainly everyone I now plays it for singleplayer,co-op campaign, and multi, so in my terms, halo is indeed hardcore enough for me to keep my coming back to it every single day wanting a challenge. You know you're hardcore when you can play legendary blindfolded.

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Quote: "Except they managed to put the analogue stick in the right place"

no? your thumbs naturally go into the middle so the PS controller is better I think the XBox controller is a better size though. Maybe I just have big hands

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Quote: "2.PS3 - got blue-ray, a good controller (XBOX STOLE IT!), "

They didn't steal any controller. Xbox 360's controller kicks ass and quite comfortable. Where-as ps3 your thumbs are literally touching each-other.
Quote: "3.XBOX 360 - got more games(like halo i guess)"

WTF! You're a PS3 Fanboy for sure.

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Quote: "no? your thumbs naturally go into the middle so the PS controller is better"


If that was true then they would have made the original PS1 controller like this wouldn't they:



The d-pad is the least important part of the controller and they put it in most important place.

Put your hands up in a relaxed way and hold an imaginary controller... your thumbs will be pointing straight up, not towards each other

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The only controller I haven't held is the PS3's one, but of all the controllers (and I mean all, from NES upwards), the original XBox's is easily the most comfortable.
Being 6'3", I have quite big hands, and that thing fits so well. Most other controllers make my fingers curl up too much, or I get thumb cramps, etc, but not that controller

Shame I never owned an XBox!

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I found another weird looking PS3 game, graphics are impressive
http://www.product-reviews.net/2007/09/20/trailer-of-new-ps3-game-called-flower-from-tgs-2007/

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Okay Sony are desperate...
http://www.product-reviews.net/2007/09/12/microsoft-xbox-360-halo-3-shown-on-sony-playstation-3-ps3-video/

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huh? is that in a shop?
Someone's gonna pay for that mistake
They're basically saying "look, you can't play THIS on a PS3"

@Chris K
I suppose you're right about the controller lol
did you make that image, pretty cool

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@Obese87:Apparently that in one news thingy they had halo 3 that in a ps3 kiosk in e3. I think that was a rumour though but that is real.

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Geez Deathead you are such a fanboy.

The video is from a Blockbuster in the UK it was almost certainly done as a joke by the employees, that or an honest mistake (they just put the wrong DVD in).

Quote: "did you make that image"


Yes indeed!

That Flower game looks nice, is it by thatgamecompany?

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WTF it says it in the video! Missed it first time. Those guys made flOw and Cloud. Don't like cloud but flOw is pretty good.

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flOw is an awesome game.
I've played the original online. It's so serene and relaxed compared to most of todays games where you mindlessly kill things

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Same I liked the flash game and the PS3 version is beautiful.

Cloud on the other hand, it just felt pompous and twatty. I've read what the creators say about it and they make out like it is some great piece of art, it's poorly made in my opinion, and completely directionless.

Completely fails at the balance between just being a nice experience and pushing you on, which is what flOw does so well.

I liked Cloud for about 5 minutes, then it just felt like a crap puzzle game.

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Quote: "Geez Deathead you are such a fanboy."

I know and proud!lol

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Guess what just happened. When I visted sony site and clicked on playstaion I got the blue screen of death!

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Funny thing about that Flower game is if Miyamoto showed this off, people would be shouting from the rooftops that he's a genius. On the PS3 people are criticizing it before they even play it.

It actually looks really nice--- just hope it's not an interactive screensaver.

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Jeku,
well, if it's anything like flOw, then it wont be much more.
I'd say it'll be somewhere between controlling the cross pollenization (sp?) and looking after a single flower.

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I truly don't understand the hate battle with ps3 and 360, sorry guys but ps3 has yet to show me ANYTHING that the 360 cannot already do..and from personal experience at a friends house, live is one of the best linkings to fragging I've ever seen. Sony better keep their mouths a little more tight and not promise things they cannot keep right away..they said at e3 that it would take a significant move over xbox yet it only moves ahead by a inch..an inch, big deal. It comes down to the games guys, I mean do you really think our parents were discussing f***ing specs for the next games coming out, they were talking about how much their thumbs hurt from playing so much. This industry has become too graphically saturated, people always talk about the textures and the hardware and its speed, where is there anything about the games in these discussions, if there's a game on the ps3 I want to play that badly I'll buy one, if there's one on the xbox, I"d buy it and the same goes for any console..if it makes me want it that badly then I'll buy it.

Okay end of rant, sorry but these threads make me go grrr sometimes with all the talk of specs and what not.

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Quote: "ps3 has yet to show me ANYTHING that the 360 "


Motion sensing controls. /end of debate
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Quote: "the original XBox's is easily the most comfortable."

Wow, someone else who agrees with me, screw that 's-pad' crap, the original giant fits perfectly in my hands and its just so comfortable

I'm tempted to go out and buy a 360 now though, the wii just isn't pulling through like i thought it would and there aren't really games coming soon that i want, brawl aside.

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Quote: "Motion sensing controls"


you can get them for the 360 home made of course

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Quote: "you can get them for the 360 home made of course"


What's the point when no 360 games are designed for motion controls? You want to tilt Master Chief around or something?

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I want to tilt master chief . Are the ps3's motion controls any good? Seems to me if you want to play a game with motion control the wii is the place to be, always seemed like a tagged on feature but I haven't been following the ps3 so I don't know.

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I tried to play motorstorm with the motion sensor controller and god did it suck.

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And the review on lair said you can't turn them off and it makes it so damn aggravating, I believe one mag said the developers should have just made a movie.

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Quote: "Motion sensing controls. /end of debate"


Seeing as the PS3 barely takes advantage of its 6 degrees of motion sensing, I don't think many people even consider that a selling point. So no, not end of debate. His point was that the PS3 could "take a significant move over xbox yet it only moves ahead by a inch" and by mentioning motion sensing, you only point out that even with features absent on the 360, the PS3 still doesn't beat the 360 in leaps in bounds, but only by a bit. And even so, that bit is arguable.


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As far as I'm concerned...

The PS3 and XBOX360 both have great graphics.
The XBOX360 is cheaper and has more games.
I honestly don't see any competition between the two, and I see no reason for people to argue to the extent that this has been taken to.

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Well you see its because of people preaching that the ps3 totally takes out the xbox that starts a lot of this or vice versa. Neither system is defeating its counterpart in hardware really and yes xbox has more games but hey a lot of them were fps's.

I mean come on, gears of war sucked, I hated that game so much..the story was weak and the gunplay could have really been worked on, I say give Epic a kick in the arse and six months to finish what they started. But...Xbox Live and Live Arcade are amazing and games like Lost Planet and Dead Rising and Oblivion really gathered people, not to mention ms's biggest mascot master chief.

Ps3 has resistance but once more big freaking deal, what happened to our platformers, our puzzles, hell I'd kill to see a sequel to viva pinata, that was such a cute game. You know I'm into gaming for the experience, not the company that will define me, I've supported all three companies at one time or the other and just because some companies are doing better doesn't mean I'm annexing sony but they need to get their butt in gear and maybe in four or five years I'll have a ps3 with the respectable library that ps2 had, until then sony needs to prove to me that they can stay in this or go back to general electronics.

Micrsoft- I hated them when they came into it, I said who the hell do they think they are, let the race be between sony and nintendo. Then I got to play the games, then I realised that I was nothing but a fanboy which is the very thing I despise so I adjusted my views a little and went back to being what I was when I was little, a gamer who just enjoyed the experience. There is no need to argue specs here okay, 360 and Ps3 both have their issues as does the wii albeit they aren't a big problem.

So in closing it all comes down to this, do you want to play games that interest you or do you want to just be a walking pr member..its really up to you. I choose my systems because they are fun and the games developed for them are fun.

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Yeh, I would hardly say gow sucked, I thought gameplay wise it was 'nice' and I espcecially liked the bit where you had to run from light to light to dodge the kryll. Saying that the game was too short for my liking and the multiplayer lacked vaariety. No 360 as of yet has really made me go "woah this is amazing!" and I think thats because most of the 'good' titles are being waaay too over hyped. Bioshock being a prime example: excellent, fun game but when I played it (after being caught up in the hype) I was just like "meh, this ain't nothing special" and I had major gameplay problems towards the end of the game which spoiled it for me.
I think halo 3 will be the same kind of thing, it is no doubt going to be excellent but I don't see it 'breaking the mould' so to speak, infact I don't see many groundbreaking games come out any more, which I find quite upsetting. Thats why I like the wii as a secondary console it offers up something different when your sick of playing the the norm.

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Quote: "Seeing as the PS3 barely takes advantage of its 6 degrees of motion sensing, I don't think many people even consider that a selling point. So no, not end of debate. His point was that the PS3 could "take a significant move over xbox yet it only moves ahead by a inch" and by mentioning motion sensing, you only point out that even with features absent on the 360, the PS3 still doesn't beat the 360 in leaps in bounds, but only by a bit. And even so, that bit is arguable."


That didn't matter... People are saying "360 can do anything the PS3 can do". This is WRONG (currently). /end of debate
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@Krilik: 360 can do anything else the Ps3 can do. Maybe if you thought about it you'd now. Well seeming as you'll never guess... THEY BOTH PLAY GAMES duh!.end of debate. I really am sensing fanboy here!

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Except for motion sensing controls...
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