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Zombie 20
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Quote: " No 360 as of yet has really made me go "woah this is amazing!" and I think thats because most of the 'good' titles are being waaay too over hyped"


Very much agree there, I had heard all the hype about gears and let me just go on record and say yea gameplay it made me play on the higher levels of difficutly but I just was not astounded and the story really just turned me off from the game.

The review for halo 3 said the ending was kinda bad but I say whatever to them, that story is one of the reasons I love halo, the other is the whole presentation which may have been my issue with gears, difficutly wise it was great but presentation I'm just not always into the macho I'm gonna gun your face in attitude.

Quote: "That didn't matter... People are saying "360 can do anything the PS3 can do". This is WRONG (currently). /end of debate "


How very true but the ps3 isn't doing its motion sensing very well at all so even though the 360 can't do it be honest, would you want to have that in a normal game setting with a normal controller? The wii is perfect for motion sensing because its controller was designed for it, it looks like sony just used this as a very desperate attmept, becasue thats all it comes off as.

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Posted: 24th Sep 2007 23:52 Edited at: 24th Sep 2007 23:53
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@Krilik: Do you really need crappy 6 degree motion sensor to play games! You play games for amuzement not for fighting for crying out loud.

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Honestly Krillik I really don't see the advantage to the six axis, I think it would impede gameplay by such a large degree but I've never used it so I don't know.

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@Zombie: My dad had a ps3 and the six-axis was total crap. To tell you how rubbish the ps3 is my 2 uncles including my dad took it back after 2 weeks, as it was to annoying, the controllers was to small, the graphics was good but they thought that Ps3 games left out the fun-side of gaming.

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Posted: 24th Sep 2007 23:57 Edited at: 25th Sep 2007 00:00
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Quote: "How very true but the ps3 isn't doing its motion sensing very well at all so even though the 360 can't do it be honest, would you want to have that in a normal game setting with a normal controller? The wii is perfect for motion sensing because its controller was designed for it, it looks like sony just used this as a very desperate attmept, becasue thats all it comes off as."


Isn't that up to the developers to decide? And how is it a negativity if motion controls are the normal control on the PS3, but not the Wii? At least developers have a choice with the PS3 with either one.

Quote: "because..."


Because of what I just said... And what everyone else is talking about.

Quote: "@Krilik: Do you really need crappy 6 degree motion sensor to play games! You play games for amuzement not for fighting for crying out loud."


Tell that to the 10 million Wii owners or everyone who is applauding Nintendo for doing something new.

Quote: "Honestly Krillik I really don't see the advantage to the six axis, I think it would impede gameplay by such a large degree but I've never used it so I don't know."


Which is why there is a standard controller also.
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Posted: 24th Sep 2007 23:59 Edited at: 25th Sep 2007 00:02
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Yet another good point, it is up to the developers, but it is also up to them to implement it correctly in a game. Reading reviews I've not seen one thing about the sixaxisis that was remotely good. I say its a negative push from the developers because if it is not being used in a good manner then it will shed a negative connatation about the sixaxisi's use in later games that could benefit it like LittleBigPlanet maybe?

Wii has pretty good normal control, all you have to do is hold the wiimote sideways and you kinda forget your holding a tv remote .

Quote: "Tell that to the 10 million Wii owners or everyone who is applauding Nintendo for doing something new"


Once more I reiterate, Big N is doing motion but they are doing it well and they have made it a signifcant part of their development. I just cannot honestly see the sixaxis going anywhere big for sony other than a fun gimmick like eyetoy and eyeplay. I'm not trying to disrespect your views just my thoughts.


*on a side note, see people can talk about this nicely, so why can't others play this nice on other sites haha*

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Quote: "And how is it a negativity if motion controls are the normal control on the PS3, but not the Wii? "

The wii can, its up to the developers again.

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I still see no reason for these arguments. They're both powerful. They're both entertaining. The graphical quality of the games is ultimately up to the game designers/artists.

You guys can argue as much as you want; that's not going to change the way things are. The two deciding factors on which most people buy are the games and the price, and the XBOX360 beats it in both.

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Quote: "and yes xbox has more games but hey a lot of them were fps's."


People always say that but there aren't actually that many, about 15% of 360 games are FPSs, 17% are 'shooters' (1st/3rd person).

Most of them are sports games, then action adventure.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 00:01 Edited at: 25th Sep 2007 00:05
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I agree with AndrewT.
Quote: "Tell that to the 10 million Wii owners or everyone who is applauding Nintendo for doing something new."

The Wii was specificly designed for that. But still you can use the Wii as a normal controller. And I was NOT talking about the wii as that does the job PROPERLY the Sixaxis was just thrown in.

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Thank you

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Quote: "Most of them are sports games, then action adventure"

Apologies then Chris, I mean hey I'm looking to get madden, I've been saying for a few years I'd wait to around this time since every year they kept adding all this cool stuff. So for you seasoned players, is madden worth getting? I mean will I really enjoy the game, could I potentially record a game and then come back to and just watch it like a real game?

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Quote: "You guys can argue as much as you want; that's not going to change the way things are. The two deciding factors on which most people buy are the games and the price, and the XBOX360 beats it in both.
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Once more very true but hey you know sony could pull around but as of now I've just lost so much faith in them from the ps2. I supported sony in the very end of last gen, up until then before ms came in I was pure nintendo because they had all the games I wanted to play.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2007 00:06 Edited at: 25th Sep 2007 00:11
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Quote: "Yet another good point, it is up to the developers, but it is also up to them to implement it correctly in a game. Reading reviews I've not seen one thing about the sixaxisis that was remotely good. I say its a negative push from the developers because if it is not being used in a good manner then it will shed a negative connatation about the sixaxisi's use in later games that could benefit it like LittleBigPlanet maybe?
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That is true. But I've also seen mixed opinions, and have watched people play the games that didn't implement them "correctly" (Lair), and I've come to the conclusion that the style of play results in a positive or negative opinion about it. Its like people tell me how fun the Wii is to play and I watch them and they over exaggerate their motions. Even though you really don't need to, which is probably why some people have fun playing the Wii, and some people think its boring (me). After watching people play Lair the way its controlled is everything I expected it to be. If you've ever gone horse back riding, or "controlled" a vehicle that depends more on other factors than yourself, Lair should seem more natural I suppose.

Quote: "Once more I reiterate, Big N is doing motion but they are doing it well and they have made it a signifcant part of their development. I just cannot honestly see the sixaxis going anywhere big for sony other than a fun gimmick like eyetoy and eyeplay. I'm not trying to disrespect your views just my thoughts.
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Well I guess we disagree. The Wii is pretty gimmicky, and even big Nintendo titles have failed to really impress me with its implementation. I just think they've had a better time marketing it compared to the PS3. Not that its actually any better.

Quote: "The wii can, its up to the developers again."


Sort of. You have to have Gamecube controllers, or Virtual console controllers to be able to use different controls. Unless you mean using the Wiimote sideways like a controller... In which case I would rather go back to my NES controller. I've died way too many times on Super Mario Bros on the VC trying to use it like that.
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Nintendo is a great company they define Fun and Gameplay into games.

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I'd have to play Lair to really get a feel for it myself. As for 'controlling' a vehicle do you mean as in driving outside becuase I've done that, if it can make me concentrate that much and give me that joy then yea I'd use the sixaxis.

As far as the wii goes, I love exaggerating my motions when I play tennis or boxing in wii sports. However in an adventure game like zelda I'm quite calm. Marvel Alliance is a great game for the wii and could be used as a cornerstone of devlopers implementing motion and normal controls to speak. You have the chance to use the wiimotes motions to attack or hit the A button, I like a combo of both, the nunchuck is your camera which you swivel by tilting it, I know it sounds bad but its actually very natural just like the sixaxis may be.

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Quote: "The Wii is pretty gimmicky, "


True and as a hardcore nintendo fan *all the way back from when I was a little guy back in the 80's haha* I've been a bit let down as well, but TP was a very long and great adventure, have yet to try metroid. They'll never screw up mario, its going to be fun, but his presence is missed greatly. I miss the hardcore games of the SNES and I hope to see something that challening entering the fray soon but...I have faith in my Big N..mr. miyamoto is always coming up with new stuff for us to play and they are drawing in a new crowd of gamers and even letting some of the more lazy ones experience something new and fun, something bright and colorful.

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@Deathead:
I totally agree. We're getting so caught up in playing photorealistic games that we're forgetting the purpose of playing video games in the first place: to have fun.
Eventually, developers are going to reach a point at which they'll be totally unable to increase their graphic quality any further. What'll you guys do then??

I know I may feel this way cuz I'm a child, but I definately think that Nintendo is doing the right thing with their systems. Nintendo has more exclusive characters than the others. They know what they're doing, while microsoft and sony just want to create the best visuals possible.

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Quote: "What'll you guys do then??

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Well HD enthusiasts wil cry and I'll cackle manically.


Quote: "I know I may feel this way cuz I'm a child, but I definately think that Nintendo is doing the right thing with their systems. Nintendo has more exclusive characters than the others. They know what they're doing, while microsoft and sony just want to create the best visuals possible.

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Well put there andrew, whats wrong with being a kid..kids have fun .

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Quote: "Quote: "Nintendo is a great company""
And besides I like the nintendo commercials.

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Quote: "Well HD enthusiasts wil cry and I'll cackle manically.
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Haha I'll be doing the same thing...

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Maybe, games will look so real you could pull out the characters and call them friend.lol

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Quote: "I'd have to play Lair to really get a feel for it myself. As for 'controlling' a vehicle do you mean as in driving outside becuase I've done that, if it can make me concentrate that much and give me that joy then yea I'd use the sixaxis. "


Like a car? No. The best way I can describe it is the control of the dragon is much like the control of the horse in Shadow of the Colossus. You don't really have much control of the horse, you sort of pull it where you want to go, and it goes on its own.
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Well that doesn't sound too bad, I loved sotc.

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Nooooooooooooooooo! He has captured you in his sony mind capture! Noooooo!lol

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@deathead:

I loved SotC! Lol, I guess he captured me too.

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Quote: "gears of war sucked"


Quote: "games like Lost Planet and Dead Rising and Oblivion really gathered people"


Your credibility with me has instantly vanished

Quote: "Except for motion sensing controls..."


Saying 360 can't do what PS3 can do because of motion controls is like saying PS3 can't do what 360 does because it doesn't have Halo 3 Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Quote: "the ps3 isn't doing its motion sensing very well at all "


Actually I've played a few games on my PS3 that have good motion control. You speak like you've never tried a PS3

Quote: "The wii is perfect for motion sensing because its controller was designed for it"


And again, there are so many crappy lame mini-game compilations for Wii that have half-arsed controls. Everyone who plays Red Steel knows how bad the controls can be. It's all up to the developers.

Quote: "But still you can use the Wii as a normal controller. "


And you can use the Six-Axis as a normal controller too Most games force you to turn on the motion controls and have them off by default.

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Quote: "our credibility with me has instantly vanished "



Me? I don't remember saying that quote but maybe I did, so if I did sorry about that.

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I'm just kidding around and not serious, but it surprised me when somebody said GOW sucked but Lost Planet was great. Just didn't make sense to me

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Quote: "You speak like you've never tried a PS3"

If that was at me. I have played a Ps3.

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i've played a ps3, feels just like ps2, but its just not for me..i pick the systems that i like.

Thought lost planet was a bit too short but whatever, I just like mechs :p

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Quote: "Saying 360 can't do what PS3 can do because of motion controls is like saying PS3 can't do what 360 does because it doesn't have Halo 3 Doesn't make a lot of sense."


The 360 can do what the PS3 can do, it just can't do everything. If a developer wanted to do motion sensing controls for their game, they would either have to make a Wii game, PS3 game, or design their own 3rd party motion sensing 360 controller.
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Quote: "The 360 can do what the PS3 can do, it just can't do everything. If a developer wanted to do motion sensing controls for their game, they would either have to make a Wii game, PS3 game, or design their own 3rd party motion sensing 360 controller. "

@Krilik: You're such a fanboy through and through... I know a idea lets finish the fight! Oh wait you can't becuase Halo 3 is a 360 Exclusive.

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Hey, go tilt your 360 controller and see if your game's respond. K thx bye.
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Quote: " Hey, go tilt your 360 controller and see if your game's respond. K thx bye. "

Aslong as I won't get crappy motion sense off a ps3. K thx bye.
Hmm lets see a reference of a ps3....
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K thx bye.lol Actually we never see what goes on inside of sony so we don't know so... There should not be a lol in this post.


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I'm sorry, but I see no reason why we should pay over a hundred dollars more for motion sensing. After all Sony hyped ithe PS3 up to be, I find it saddening that motion sensing is the one thing that is available one PS3 but not XBOX360. (excluding a couple of games, of course)

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in the vid it looks cool

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Quote: "I find it saddening that motion sensing is the one thing that is available one PS3 but not XBOX360. (excluding a couple of games, of course)"


Don't forget blue-ray! That is one of the reasons the cost is higher. Of course, neither blue-ray nor motion sensing would make the 360 better...


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Oh ya, can't live without my Blu-Ray...

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Quote: "Unless you mean using the Wiimote sideways like a controller... In which case I would rather go back to my NES controller. I've died way too many times on Super Mario Bros on the VC trying to use it like that."

Hey you can get a little plastic thing shaped like a PS controller to put your wii remote in
There's also a golf club, and tennis racket and other pointless bits of plastic
I think nintendo are being a bit wimpish with the games that use the remote like its a standard controller. You made that step into motion sensing now use it!

I'm waiting for Virgin to make a games console, hey they've tried everything else

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Why when anyone points out a unique feature of the PS3 you XBOX fanboys say "so what?"
You've actually made me side with PS3 because of stuff like that.
Raven almost had me putting on my Microsoft T-shirt (don't really have one , although I do have a sony one! My football team was sponsored by them one year lol)

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Blu-ray = pointless

Any developer who needs 50gb needs to know one keyword. Compression.

And when was the last time you watched a normal DVD and thought "the quality is dire"? JUST WATCH THE THING! DVD is a big leap from VHS, (no more gentle snowstorm) but Blu-ray is not so much a big leap from DVD. With the right software, DVD can be blown up to near enough Blu-ray standards anyhow. It looks great, and since when were films in perfect focus anyhow?


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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This did get out of hand.

Noone can have an opinion anymore, you always have to agree with someone.
I've never played either a 360 or a ps3 and couldn't give a toss about either, if i wanted one, i'd just get one and i wouldn't be put off buying one because of stupid issues/rivalries between companies.

It just bugs me to no end how my mates ask why i'm not excited about halo 3 or whatever, all i can tell them to do is deal with it because thats just the way it is, people like different things.

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Quote: "Aslong as I won't get crappy motion sense off a ps3. K thx bye.
Hmm lets see a reference of a ps3....
Idea-----------------------From
Motion controller----------------Wii
Triggers-------------------------360
K thx bye.lol Actually we never see what goes on inside of sony so we don't know so... There should not be a lol in this post."


I love how this had absolutely nothing to do with my point besides your "opinion" about motion sensing controls on the PS3 that you tried out for a whole 2 weeks or whatever your lame story was.

Is there an ignore feature?

Quote: "I'm sorry, but I see no reason why we should pay over a hundred dollars more for motion sensing. After all Sony hyped ithe PS3 up to be, I find it saddening that motion sensing is the one thing that is available one PS3 but not XBOX360. (excluding a couple of games, of course)"


Why do people expect others to have sympathy for other people's choices? See there is no reason why you should pay any amount for anything... And even if you should have, you don't, because the Wii is cheaper than a 360. Besides, when was this ever about me making people buy a PS3? Derailing an argument to make your subjective point doesn't make it a good one.

Quote: "Blu-ray = pointless

Any developer who needs 50gb needs to know one keyword. Compression.

And when was the last time you watched a normal DVD and thought "the quality is dire"? JUST WATCH THE THING! DVD is a big leap from VHS, (no more gentle snowstorm) but Blu-ray is not so much a big leap from DVD. With the right software, DVD can be blown up to near enough Blu-ray standards anyhow. It looks great, and since when were films in perfect focus anyhow?"


Tell me more space won't be needed in 8 years. Thats the lifespan of the PS2. I'm going to assume Sony is hoping for at least 8 years for the PS3.

Subjective. That's like telling me I can't like a certain brand of mustard.
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Quote: "Any developer who needs 50gb needs to know one keyword. Compression."


I remember the exact same argument when systems started using DVD for storage. I fully support games on denser media--- that's just future-proofing Sony. I highly doubt any of their current games require anything more than a DVD, but I've heard of a 360 game coming out that will be on 4 discs

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Woa, that's a lot of discs! I think the most I've ever seen for a console was two or three... that was for the gamecube (I believe RE4 had two discs... or maybe that was just the original remastered gc resident evil?)


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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 12:42
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FFIX on PS1 was four as well I think.

The 360 game is Lost Oddysey.

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Chenak
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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 13:23 Edited at: 26th Sep 2007 13:25
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The main advantage in my opinion of blue ray is you can have audio uncompressed meaning the audio quality is brilliant. However you need a super expensive audio system to even tell the difference (Just like you need a good hdtv to see the difference between blueray and dvd)

HD dvd's are based off the same technology of the blueray... infact their laser is thinner meaning it is possible for them to have discs 50gb+ if they could be bothered. However they didn't, I guess it is because they know it will be cheaper to produce a lower size disc.

I don't see the point in any of them since I can't afford a big hdtv or a high tech sound system so I'll wait till the price drops to bargin bucket prices. Then I shall make my move!

As for the console wars... screw the hardware and screw the companies! Its about playing games, just get the one with the games you like and the nice toys they have. Its about having fun, if you don't like the console, trade it in and get something you think you'll enjoy more.
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Samoz83
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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 14:25 Edited at: 26th Sep 2007 14:28
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/1383-Zero-Punctuation-Console-Rundown

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