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Butter fingers
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Posted: 5th Oct 2007 18:46
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To clarify:

Orders will be out by 12pm GMT tonight.

This said, I'm having some trouble with the installer, so I'll keep you posted. If it's any later than the stated time above, I'll throw in some freebies.

Fallen One.

I do appreciate the crit, the more recent things you have suggested have been less overbearingly critical, and are actually making technical suggestions, which I obviously appreciate.
I do have to ask one question though.... how long have you been using FPSC, and how aware are you of it's limitations? Many of the things you have suggested above are excellent ideas, and could be easily implemented in a DBpro project, but they simply are not possible in FPSC.

Your floor idea has given me an idea for a later addon to buttercutter, so thanks for that, but many of your other suggestions simply couldn't be done in FPSC, or if they could, they wouldn't be open-ended - as in they couldn't be applied to any situation, they would involved editing the scripts of numerous object, to create a scripted event.

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Inspire
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Posted: 5th Oct 2007 19:31
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@ Butters:

Those pillar chunks and wall chunks that fly off when shot are an animated, dynamic entity, right?

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Posted: 5th Oct 2007 19:39 Edited at: 5th Oct 2007 19:47
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I've not long been using fpsc, I switched to using fpsc as I wanted to make completely indie games, other engines require large license fees and publisher backing to pay for them, well not all engines, but cheaper engines require quite a lot of extra features to be implemented, which costs, I wanted to be released from any publisher constraints and bang a game out under my own backing, It works out better in the long run as completed games rather than funded or partly funded games can bring a bigger advance on the royalties and more leverage on the percentage of NP.

I see a few constraints with fpsc, but all engines have them in one way or another, but they can be worked around, I've adapted what I see as initial concerns with the engine into my design, fpsc looks like a lot of fun, Im really looking forward to popping a game out with it. Fpsc looks like a great little tool to work with, fantastic simplicity, and you cannot beat the little cost involved period.

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Posted: 5th Oct 2007 20:12
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Quote: "Those pillar chunks and wall chunks that fly off when shot are an animated, dynamic entity, right?"


Yes they are. I know what you're thinking... framerates, and dynamic entities. Well, it turns out that FPSC handles dynamic segment entities rather better. It culls their CPU use more effectively, basically meaning that once you get a certain distance away, it suspends them.

Quote: "I see a few constraints with fpsc, but all engines have them in one way or another, but they can be worked around,"

Totally. And that's what I'm all about. Bending FPSC's rules to do what I want. Bear in mind that most of butter cutter is already a "workaround", so adding even more features on top of something that was never considered to work only decreases the stability of the entire system.

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Posted: 5th Oct 2007 20:14
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Quote: "Yes they are. I know what you're thinking... framerates, and dynamic entities. Well, it turns out that FPSC handles dynamic segment entities rather better. It culls their CPU use more effectively, basically meaning that once you get a certain distance away, it suspends them."


Awesome.

Also, do you get weird lighting? You know, how lighting on dynamic entities make them stick out among static entities...

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Posted: 5th Oct 2007 20:45
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Quote: "There's nothing wrong with putting out ideas;"


Well, here is my point. If he had said that this was a wip then fine give your comments about what you would like to see but to list all the things it cannot do in every post makes it seem like it's not a complete tool therefore making, I'm sure, some people hesitant to buy the product in hopes that Butter Fingers might implement the new ideas or until he does.

All I am saying is, for as many requests that have been made for a product that is finished and being packaged, send it in an e-mail. This thread isn't entirely to talk about what it doesn't have but what it can do. I could be way off course here but I know I am buying it tonight and I want Butter Fingers to focus on packaging his product and getting it out to his customers.....not having to defend and explain why he hasn't implemented features he feels will not work in fpsc.

There was this guy at work that told me he wanted all the songs in his folder to automatically play when he opened the folder(keep in mind he doesn't even want to create a simple playlist). I told him that I would like to get in my car and say "home" and it drive me home but it's not going to happen. Some things are just not possible!
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Posted: 5th Oct 2007 22:00
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Quote: "Also, do you get weird lighting? You know, how lighting on dynamic entities make them stick out among static entities.."


Well, I've tested this with V1 and it did have that issue.

Although It was tested by one of the beta testers on V6 and he didn't report any lighting issues. For the sake of caution, I'm going to say that it will still not light them propperly, although you should be able to get around this with clever light placement.

Quote: "not having to defend and explain why he hasn't implemented features he feels will not work in fpsc."


I kind of agree, I understand that FallenOne is trying to provide me with feedback as to what might improve the product, and that I appreciate, some of his requests I have already put in before release, my only issue falls with his lack of knowledge of the interal workings of FPSC, meaning some of the suggestions are either not possible, or would require alot of further scripting on the part of the user.

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Posted: 6th Oct 2007 00:56
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One question. Is it (pillars) done the same way as the "pillars-or-what-the-hell-is-it" from Fall of the Fireflies vid (the one with mp5 weapons)???

Make games, not war.

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Hey butters,

How much is Lyte:Fx? Is it still avalible?

Thanks,
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Quote: "One question. Is it (pillars) done the same way as the "pillars-or-what-the-hell-is-it" from Fall of the Fireflies vid (the one with mp5 weapons)???"

No. They were entities. This is a segment.

Quote: "Hey butters,
How much is Lyte:Fx? Is it still avalible?"

yep. try here

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Posted: 6th Oct 2007 01:42
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Quote: "How much is Lyte:Fx?"


Again... How much is it? It doesn't say how much...


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The standard is £10, but if you are outside the UK you should click the pay button, and see how much it quotes, as Paypal exchange rates change.

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Posted: 6th Oct 2007 01:59
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To all those who already bought....I'm commencing order release















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How much US dollers? Thanks for the fast reply. I'm also gonna get Buttercutter too... If I can get enough money...


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Posted: 6th Oct 2007 03:41
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oh come on, you could have just pasted 10 into a currency converter.
I think it'll be around $20 for LYTE:FX

and

$24 for ButterCutter.

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Posted: 6th Oct 2007 14:43
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This is awesome. Bought it last night with Lyte FX, have you gotten my order?

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Posted: 6th Oct 2007 16:44
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yes I did. Thanks you!

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Just a question, did you send it? I can't seem to find it in my inbox.

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Posted: 6th Oct 2007 18:04
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Not yet.

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Posted: 6th Oct 2007 18:10
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Very nice Butters. This is first on my 'things to buy' list. I shall be buying in a few weeks. I need to build up my cash pile first

Get my copy ready

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Hi butters, congratulations on what appears to be a very successful release so far! I sent the emails out a few days ago and another last night. I hope they didn't get lost in the orders! ~DF

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Black Terror
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Posted: 6th Oct 2007 18:30
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This is in my oponion, the most usefull pack yet. I bought it. Can't wait for download!


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Posted: 6th Oct 2007 22:11 Edited at: 6th Oct 2007 22:11
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Hey Butter fingers, just bought it, despite our arguement views.
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Posted: 7th Oct 2007 02:43
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So how long untill we can download it?


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Posted: 7th Oct 2007 02:46
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I downloaded it already, at about 5:30 pm, have you not been sent an email?

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No, I havn't. I payed last night.


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Guys, please bear in mind that people who pre ordered before the release date of friday 5th, were sent their orders last night.

As per the details on my site, all orders recieved after that will be processed and sent out within 7 days. I may be on the forums, but this is my weekend, and on thursday and friday I literally worked 2 12 hour days to get this done, I need a break! For each order I'm going to make an individual zip, so it's quite alot of work.

Anyway, I'll get them out ASAP, and thanks for your purchases, it's doing pretty well!

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Why do you need to do an individual zip? Is it password protected? In which case, if someone wanted to share it, would just unzip it and zip it back up. Of course I'm sure you have a reason that makes sense.


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Looks excellent just got my copy ordered, can't wait. Thanks Butters, another great job, It'll be very usefull.

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Quote: "Why do you need to do an individual zip? Is it password protected? In which case, if someone wanted to share it, would just unzip it and zip it back up. Of course I'm sure you have a reason that makes sense."


one of the files in buttercutter is uniquely named for each customer, I'm not saying which one).
That way, if it pops up on a warez site, I can download it, check the unique file and I'll know which customer the piracy originated from.

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Nice idea!

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*waits patiently*


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Quote: "one of the files in buttercutter is uniquely named for each customer, I'm not saying which one).
That way, if it pops up on a warez site, I can download it, check the unique file and I'll know which customer the piracy originated from."


Sweet! Another excellent idea. More work for sure, but for an indy developer who is concerned about piracy, it's an excellent way to track this, as well as other things.

Best.

I'm sorry, my answers are limited. You must ask the right question.

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April Duva
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Hello butters I ordered your product buttercutter for my husband and I was wondering when I will get it? I attached my receipt. Thank you and have a very nice day.

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Can't wait for my copy to arrive, but my internets been down all day. Back up now though. Not here yet.

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Quote: "one of the files in buttercutter is uniquely named for each customer, I'm not saying which one).
That way, if it pops up on a warez site, I can download it, check the unique file and I'll know which customer the piracy originated from."


wont they be able to guess and just re name it, did you create a program to name them, or do you do it manually.

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@Butters: You can use a hex editor to add some specific code inside the file itself. Then they cannot guess which one it is.

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April Duva
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@Butters: Hey butter if you want we can package it up in our custom installer with a different serial number to install for each end user. Just send each user a different serial number and if ends up on a warez site you can track down the perp with ease. get back to me at sales@a4productionz.com P.S. is my hubbys order ready??? Thanks again butters. I'll gladly package it for you for free.
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@butters here is a small sample of what I was talking about. I can easley generate a million serial numbers, then convert in to a text file. Then when you sell a copy you add the end users name next to the serial number. I hope this helps some. I'm attaching a sample of what I can make for you for free. Its a little sloppy cuz I rushed on it to get it up here so you can see it. If you want us to pack it, Let me know and we can start the process. Peace butters and congrads on your release...

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Hey butters, how long after payment are you shipping them out? Im sure your busy, but i was just wondering. My new game revolves around this and im eager to start.
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Quote: "Hey butters, how long after payment are you shipping them out? Im sure your busy, but i was just wondering. My new game revolves around this and im eager to start. "
Your game revolves around holes?!?!


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Well, yes, and, no......................... I cant give out to much info!!! It has to do with a war torn city, covered by a wartorn city, covered by ash. Inspire by the Seattle underground. Thats why i need holes. By the way, i love you sig!
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Quote: "Well, yes, and, no......................... I cant give out to much info!!! It has to do with a war torn city, covered by a wartorn city, covered by ash. Inspire by the Seattle underground. Thats why i need holes. By the way, i love you sig! "
Cool, and thanks for the sig complement, D13 added the text.


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I just checked my inbox and I still didn't get the buttercutter. Did you get my payment??? Cuz I have a receipt handy if you need it Thanks again butters for all your great work. I hope to see more of it soon. Maybe I'll get it later today???
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Guys, try to give Butters a break, i'm sure he's doing all he can to fire off your copies of ButterCutter to you.


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It's a compliment that we're this excied to get it!
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Hey.

All orders that were placed between 12pm GMT Friday 5th October and today have now been sent. For those of you that purchased the re-release of LYTE:FX, it's going now..

For future reference:

Please do not send "where is my copy?" emails unless it's been at least 4 days. I've had people sending "when will I get my copy?"
emails 1 day after payment (on a Sunday). This only slows me down, as I have to trawl through alot of pointless emails to find the ones asking valid questions.

When you purchase you are given an extimated time for delivery (around 3 days), so please don't email before then, especially at a week end.

Hope y'all enjoy it.

Quote: "Hey butter if you want we can package it up in our custom installer with a different serial number to install for each end user."


Thanks, but I'm pretty happy with what I've got going on at the moment. It'd literally take weeks to get 2 copies of butter cutter, and compare all the 1000's of lines of code in each .x file to find the one I'm using.

Quote: "I just checked my inbox and I still didn't get the buttercutter. Did you get my payment???"

Well, you did post this on the same day you ordered!

Quote: "It has to do with a war torn city, covered by a wartorn city, covered by ash."

Sounds very bizzare. How do you cover a city with a wartorn city exactly






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Hey Butters I was just letting you know that I got it just now in my inbox. Thanks a million bud and good luck with all your sales.
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Butters someone e-mailed me trying to trade me Model Packs 9 and 10 for Buttercutters. I forwarded the jerk's e-mail to you.

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Thanks April.

Luke314,Thanks for the tip off , but I don't get it dude. His wife already got him a copy! Anyway, no-one has the right to re-distribute MP9 and 10, so I forwarded it to Fred. I'm not going to get too involved in this!!

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