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Kentaree
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Posted: 8th Nov 2007 16:50
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@DA: I don't entirely agree, a number of studios have already opted to go HD-DVD only, HD-DVD players have backwards compatibility with normal HD, which is a big bonus for people seeing as I know my collection is mostly DVDs, and you can actually get HD-DVD players for about 150quid now, where the PS3 was touted as one of the cheaper Blu-ray players. Also, as you said, most Blu-ray players are sold as PS3, but each and every HD-DVD player sold is used for watching HD-DVDs, whereas I bet the majority of people with PS3s don't watch Blu-Ray movies. It's too early to tell either way, seeing as relatively few people have HD-TVs, and HD movies cost a bomb.

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Blu-ray HAS lost the war. Paramount and Dreamworks have dropped its support. If you had read Untitled's daily spy you would've known that. Our Daily Spy has a rather short but accurate description of HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray. You'll find Untitled in Geek Culture.


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Kentaree
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Posted: 8th Nov 2007 16:59
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Maybe I'm not interested in reading Untitled I already knew Paramount dropped support, that's old news, but it hasn't won the war till more people buy HD-DVDs than Blu-Ray discs

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Posted: 8th Nov 2007 17:26 Edited at: 8th Nov 2007 17:28
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I know a few studios have dropped BD support, but the PS3 will always have BD-players and if they sell half as good as PS2 have done already that means 60 million BD-players worldwide in 5-6 years from PS3 sales alone.

Even if BD looses on the movie side (which I think is highly unlikely) it will remain the format for PS3 and will remain far superior to DVD. If you want as much media in a 360 game as in a PS3 game (that uses up a whole BD) you must release at least 5-6 DVDs, maybe more depending on how the game works.

BD-players also supports DVD just like HD-DVD players (man BD is much easier to type). The advantage with HD-DVD is that you can create hybrid discs that have DVD on one side and that they are cheaper to manufacture. BD have advantage in size (50 GB compared to 30 GB for standard discs) and double read speed (because the data is stored near the edge, closer to the laser). Because the data isn't stored in the center (like DVD/HD-DVD) a protective coating is added to the BD which increases the cost but also increases durability.

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Posted: 8th Nov 2007 17:33
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Quote: "There's a ton of games on PS3 I'm looking forward to."


So you buy a system because a "ton" of games are coming out for it? Meanwhile it gathers dust until next year when we start seeing some of those games.

Quote: "Looks like someone forgot Super Mario Galaxy."


Looks like someone else forgot that a) Wii is not a next-gen system, and b) SMG isn't out yet

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Posted: 8th Nov 2007 17:36 Edited at: 8th Nov 2007 17:40
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Matt may have forgotten, but he's about to lose a bet:

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=97473&b=2&p=3

Quote: "TO MATT

Quote: "A year from launch, let's see the figures and see how right I am . If I am, you guys all owe me a coke!"
If a year from launch you're right, I swear that as long as you send me a reminder e-mail (preferably with this post being quoted) with your address, I will mail you a bottle of coke, with a letter acknowledging you were right all along (being that the ps3 has the most units sold of the Xbox 360, the Wii, and the PS3). You can even make a thread about it if you want, with a pic of the coke and card.

I'm serious. I'm not saying this because I'm that ridiculously confident that I'm right in thinking the PS3 wont be the number one system, but because I believe that it's worth it to show a real vote of confidence on Apollo that goes a bit father than a few words which everyone will forget in an hour. That, and because at least one person should actually take you up on your bet.

My only condition is, if what I have described as being your belief about the state of the console war a year from launch (November 17, 2007 right?) turns out to be wrong and more Wiis or Xbox 360s have been sold total than PS3's, you must make a thread in the Apollo Geek Culture Board stating that you were wrong that the PS3 would be the top selling system at that point in time. Also, that the title of the thread make it very clear what you are talking about. Very fair conditions, I would think.

If it's still acurate, the numbers on nexgenwars.com should do nicely."


http://nexgenwars.com/
I'd like to note that as far as I know, Nexgen is wrong and the Wii has passed 13 mil already. At least according to IGN.


Quote: "Looks like someone else forgot that a) Wii is not a next-gen system, and b) SMG isn't out yet"

SMG is sure as hell more of a next gen platformer than anything else though. By far my most anticipated game since I heard of it.


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from 6-1 to 2-1 outselling could have to do with the fact that people buying the ps3 have already bought their Wii. Last I looked at NExtGenWars the Wii had finally passed the 360 in total sales as well. I think Ps3 will do well over the holidays since people will not be able to get Wii's so will buy it instead

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Posted: 8th Nov 2007 17:45 Edited at: 8th Nov 2007 17:46
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Quote: "Wii is not a next-gen system,"


Nothing is; the whole 'next gen' is just a marketing phrase, and what was 'next gen' is now current gen :p

Quote: "If you had read Untitled's daily spy you would've known that. Our Daily Spy has a rather short but accurate description of HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray. You'll find Untitled in Geek Culture."


That is the worst plug of anything on this forum that I have ever ever heard.


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No, that's not right at all. where I am almost everyone has a 360, as the ps3 is too expensive, and they're all into multiplayer shooter which the Wii has an amazing lack of. Most people not buying ps3 aren't doing it because of ps3's marketing plan; they're not getting it because of the price and the games. If people can't get wiis, they're going to go for 360s. All the games worth getting on the ps3 right now (or that anyone I know is interested in), are also coming out for the 360. Ex: COD4, Assassins Creed.


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Posted: 8th Nov 2007 17:55
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Quote: "Did ANYONE, please, please notice that the source link under my article is not a source link and that the whole thing is a fake. Jeez..."


Your link is just bold not an actual link, and tbh fake or not doesn't really matter. Microsoft ARE working on the next console, but it certainly isn't due any time soon.

Quote: "Blu-ray HAS lost the war. Paramount and Dreamworks have dropped its support. If you had read Untitled's daily spy you would've known that. Our Daily Spy has a rather short but accurate description of HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray."


While it's true there are a number of companies HD-DVD exclusive, there are an equal number BluRay exclusive.
In-fact I've noticed recently there is an increase in BluRay movies available, so there must be a bigger demand now.

I also don't think this is entirely down to the Playstation 3.
Currently there are no public HD-DVD Drives for the PC, however there is a small selection of affordable (£150-250) for BluRay Read/ReWriters that have been available since late-2006.

To be honest this isn't like Betamax Vs VHS, or DVD-RAM vs DVD-ROM where we saw a few years of market penetration and very very short lived public useage.

Right now we're in to the 2nd year, going on 3rd year of both of these formats (although to most this might seem like the first year) and both are still loosing to standard DVDs by a huge amount.

The technology to play and view these formats frankly have not penetrated the market enough. I mean how many of you own a HD Television? How many of your friends own them?

Most people I know outside of work still have SD-TVs, despite owning a 360 or Playstation 3. I only know a handful of people who even own a HD-DVD or BluRay player.. those who own PS3s generally still buy DVD cause it's almost half the price.

Currently what is helping HD-DVD sales is that they'll run in a DVD-Player as a standard DVD. So your collection can upgrade when you do, but honestly those I know who have 360s play DVDs on them because of the picture enhancement. Standar DVDs now are very good quality thanks to Radeon (AVIVO) and GeForce (PureVideo) and so the difference between the formats honestly means nothing to the adverage viewer.

In-fact personally the only reason I'd even consider HD-DVD or BluRay is because of the extra space for game media, even then they're is no need to use that much space most of the time.

Right now I only own a combined 16 HD-Gen discs. 5 were free PS3 movies, 5 were free HD-DVD for 360 movies, 1 is a movie free with a game.. 5 I bought myself for backing up my HDDs (in a 5pack)

To date despite having a player for each format, and burning them... reality is I've not bought a single one cause DVD is cheaper. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who doesn't see the point in the new formats past backup data.

As for the life-span. I don't believe in the whole decade aspect.
I mean the Playstation 2 will have to be on the market for another 3years to reach that. The Playstation 1 latest 8years then was replaced entirely by the PS2Slim release.. before then though was basically unsupported by developers.

The Playstation2 has already seen an extreme drop in developer support in favour of the new formats.

Market lifetimes of the consoles has been generally 5years, something Microsoft is committed to trying to keep; for the main reason that technology moves far too quickly, but also so problems like the whole Sega market withdrawl disappears.

This is why the 360 was rushed out for late 2005, after only 4 years of xbox on the market. If the other manufactures keep to this too then cool, which if they want to keep real competition they'll really have to.

Unless the Playstation 3 pulls a miricle out, seriously they'll hang on this generation by the skin of their teeth. Their overall hardware sales is still 3:1 to everyone else, and Software sales are shockingly small.

Add to this all the console manufacturers have to also compete against Games for Windows and the DirectX10 generation that can achieve things graphically all the consoles can only dream towards.

PC Games is still a huge market financially to be in, still beyond the reach of that of console developers. So realistically, think about what is going on atm.

Sony are still in a weak position, with Nintendo and Microsoft basically fighting it out for the top spot; but to completely different markets meaning there isn't actually any competition.

The HD-Gen has definately been one of the most interesting yet.

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Blu-Ray just needs porn. It's always like that. It's been like that with the VCR and the CD-ROM, I read once.

On another note, the PS3 is pulling out at the moment. While a while back it was outsold 8:1, it is currently at 2:1 with the Wii. Whether that's due to lack of available Wii's or supersucces for the PS3 is not really certain. The X360 is still going strong and stable, I heard.

Quote: "That is the worst plug of anything on this forum that I have ever ever heard."

Are you sure? Check Untitled to be sure - there might be an article about it. You are aware that Untitled is always right, correct? We might do a short 10-liner about the 'worst plug ever' for Untitled 2, on popular demand. In the meanwhile, do check out Untitled in Geek Culture.

I really think I doubled my score with this one .


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Quote: "The Wii did have a 6-1 lead over PS3 in June but that is now 2-1 there."


OK, let's go over this again...

You are suggesting that the PS3 is catching up with the Wii because it is being outsold. Why do so many people fall for this?

Here's the truth, the ratio will keep getting smaller (I imagine), it will go to 1.5 : 1, then 1.2 : 1 and then eventually, some point in the future, it will get to 1 : 1...

At *this* point, the point when the ratio is 1 : 1, the PS3 will still not be catching up with the Wii **AT ALL**. It will simply not be falling any futher behind.

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Matt predicted that by this time, the PS3 would have sold more units than the 360, ie. caught it up.

The reality is that it is further behind now that when it launched.

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Chris, did you ever consider that the ratio might fall the other way at one point (1:1.5, 1:2, 1:203290?).


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Quote: "OK, let's go over this again...

You are suggesting that the PS3 is catching up with the Wii because it is being outsold. Why do so many people fall for this?

Here's the truth, the ratio will keep getting smaller (I imagine), it will go to 1.5 : 1, then 1.2 : 1 and then eventually, some point in the future, it will get to 1 : 1...

At *this* point, the point when the ratio is 1 : 1, the PS3 will still not be catching up with the Wii **AT ALL**. It will simply not be falling any futher behind."


Well it is logical to believe the ratio of consoles on the market means one is selling more. I guess to a point this is true.
Think about it:

February:
Wii - 10mil
PS3 - 2mil

Ratio 5:1

August
Wii - 12mil
PS3 - 6mil

Ratio 2:1

This would suggest that over the last 6months the PS3 has sold 1million units more than the Wii (although these figures are from NextGen.com and the chart we have at work looks different)

However, there is a way the ratio could be far smaller with the Wii still selling better.

For example if the Wii sold 15mil and the PS3 sold 6mil; the ratio would drop from 5:1 to 3:1 but the Wii would've sold 2mil units more during this period.

Quote: "Matt predicted that by this time, the PS3 would have sold more units than the 360, ie. caught it up.

The reality is that it is further behind now that when it launched."


very true. it's a nice irony that last generation Nintendo + Microsoft = 40%, right now they both have about that each.

Anyhow, the figures we have at work for each console units sold:
Xbox 360 - 13million (with 8.2million active on Live)
Wii - 14million
Playstation 3 - 6.5million

Although those are from August, before Halo 3 which apparently has made over $100million so far just in unit sales; that doesn't include new Live Accounts, or Consoles Sold.
The Halo 3 special edition 360 has done so well despite it being an over-priced Premium.

The price drop has also really helped sales recently and with Christmas coming up we'll see. Sony in order to recoup their losses a bit this season have made a special edition PS2 Slim as if they went on the numbers of that console still out-sell everyone else.

Shame they didn't focus on making a Playstation 2 for the HD-Gen.
Rather than being all "we've gotta have the most powerful!"

Number have shown clearly throughout console history, Power = Poor Sales and eventual going under. If Sony weren't as powerful as they are they would've gone the way of Sega, Atari and Panasonic by now.

The key seems to be making something to play games that people enjoy and have equal graphics to high-end PCs on release. Go figure

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Quote: "Blu-Ray just needs porn. It's always like that. It's been like that with the VCR and the CD-ROM, I read once."


didn't the porn industry already announce they will go HD-DVD and not Blue-ray? My guess would be because of cost and the fact that HD-DVD will play on standard DVD players.

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LOL, good one ;-P

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Quote: "Chris, did you ever consider that the ratio might fall the other way at one point (1:1.5, 1:2, 1:203290?)."


Yes, then the PS3 would be catching up, but my point is it won't have caught up or be leading.

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Quote: "Name some then Matt, instead of disregarding one (if not THE) most eagerly awaited games of all time, why not tell us what great games are out on the PS3?. I find it hard to take these opinions seriously considering you don't even own a PS3."

My financial situation in the past year has had its ups and downs, and buying a new console (any console) simply wasn't in the cards. But that doesn't mean I'm lacking experience with it, most of my friends have PS3's and I've spent more than enough time on them to have formed a valid opinion. And name good games? Let's see, Resistance, Motorstorm, Ratchet & Clank, Heavenly Sword, Lair, and let's not forget all of the cross-platform games they have as well, some of which, like Ninja Gaiden (two different reviews there), for instance, or even Jericho (although it's not a great game on any console), are better on the PS3. Again, people are so fast to rip into the PS3 but never, ever want to acknowledge any of the console's strong points, but expect PS3 fans to bow down before the Wii and 360 . It's almost a mythical level of comedy!

Quote: "Halo3 is a great game, don't just make assumptions because it's been hyped"

No, I'm making an educated assumption based on the fact that the first two Halo titles were boring and didn't entertain me. Everyone ranted and raved about Halo, and I played it... it sucked for a number of reasons and I wasn't impressed. I played Halo 2, after people said "no no no Matt, this is WAY better than the first!"... and again, it was lame. When Halo was billed as the best game on the XBox, it seriously de-valued the console in my eyes. So with Halo 3, everyone yet again is saying "no no no Matt, this is WAY better than the first or second!" This time, I'm not biting. I refuse to acknowledge Halo 3's existence. As far as I'm concerned, it's a blank disc. When someone actually proves to me that Halo 3 is worth playing, without just using the same old hyping trash, maybe I'll change my opinion.

Quote: "if it was a PS3 title you'd be singing a different song."

If Halo 3 came out on PS3, I'd seriously not brag about it. I'd be more than willing to acknowledge that it's 80% hype, 19% graphics, and 1% gameplay. There've been Playstation games I didn't like in the past and I didn't tout those, and I'm sure there will be more in the future that I won't brag about. Just like there's crappy games on the Wii and 360 no one brings up in these debates.

Quote: "A racing game with good graphics is not gonna cut it because the 360 has tons of these"

None of them are as good as Gran Turismo (in my opinion anyway). They try to be like Gran Turismo, but it's not the same as being it. Name a single game on the 360 with as many cars or tracks as even GT4? And that series has a whole lot of fans who will crank out the sales.

Quote: "IMHO Metal Gear Solid is over-rated and wont do as well as people think."

And being over-rated didn't help the Halo franchise at all?

Quote: "I think if we apply some basic logic here we will realise that decreasing the factor you are being outsold by, does not equal "catching up""

Again, you simply refuse to acknowledge that Playstation's sales are picking up because you're afraid it might prove you wrong in the long-run. Sales have picked up dramatically and if they keep growing at this rate, they'll be outselling the Wii and 360 sooner than you expect. From there it's a game of catch-up.

It's just hilarious to me how hard everyone is trying to rip into Sony at this point and refusing to acknowledge that they're picking up in sales. When the Playstation 3 starts outselling the Wii and 360 and closing the gap, everyone will say "well, they aren't caught up yet!" And what's funnier, if the PS3 should surpass either console in sales in the future, only a very small handful of you will actually say "I was wrong," while a number of others say "I never said that!" Again... anyone who can't give Sony credit for picking up sales at an exponential rate, anyone who can't give Sony credit for reversing their poor ad campaign and improving their public image, anyone who can't acknowledge that the PS3 is *at least* a good console... anyone like that is proving, through their desperation, that they're a fanboy for one of the other two consoles . At least I can admit that I'm a fanboy .


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About the Halo thing, I partly agree, it's not my favourite franchise either, but just because you or I don't like it, doesn't mean it's overrated. Hell, I bet there's a lot of games you like that lots of other people don't (like Resistance:FOM etc ).
Same goes for GT, good game, but hell it's not worth getting the console for.

As for PS3 picking up sales, definitely, if anyone says anything to the contrary it'd just be stupid, because it's fact. That doesn't mean however that it's going to automatically outsell every other console, just because YOU like it. You say you have lots of friends with a PS3 (you and your damn rich friends), I know nobody at all who owns one in person, and I've got a lot of gamer friends.

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Posted: 8th Nov 2007 21:22 Edited at: 8th Nov 2007 21:24
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The console war is far from over. 2 years have gone past and it stand roughly: 360: 40%, Wii: 40%, PS3: 20%. Because 360 have been out for 2 years but the other 2 for only 1 year we can easily say that 360 and PS3 have sold equally well while Wii have sold twice as much. 360 rules on content and Wii rules on hardware. In total roughly 35 million consoles have been sold but before the war is over there's at least another 200 million to go.

Personally I think that PS3 will win in the end but not with the same margin as the last two versions and I think Wii will do good in hardware but not in content.


In this article we can read that:

"Blu-ray is dominating the market in Australia, with roughly 80 percent of all HD content (excluding PS3 games) being sold on Blu-ray discs, rather than on HD DVD."

"Right now, there are 107 Blu-ray titles on the market ... Sony promises to double that number by Christmas ... retail chain Target would only be stocking Blu-ray players and discs"

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If they are available I am betting the Wii will make a huge jump sales wise when Force Unleashed comes out.

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Personally I don't think anyone is saying the PS3 sucks, it's really more the things apart from the console that detriment our opinions on it.

I don't see how I can be a fanboy, I have a PSP, PS2, Wii, Xbox, 360, DS, GameCube, high spec PC, and a Dreamcast. If I'm a fan of anything it's great games, and as a gamer there is not enough draw for me to the PS3 - that's not to say I won't buy one in the future when the game outlook has improved. I base my console choices on the games, games sell consoles at the end of the day - every one of my consoles provided a game so cool that I just had to have them.

Halo 1 sold me an XBox.
Resident Evil sold me a playstation.
Resident Evil 4 and Pikmin sold me a Gamecube.
Metroid Prime sold me a DS.
Timesplitters sold me a PS2.
Unreal Tournament sold me a Dreamcast.
Loco Roco and GTA sold me a PSP.

The PS3 and 360 are too closely matched IMO, there's nothing solid defining each ones abilities over the other, all we have is hearsay about what the Cell processor can do and lopsided opinions (mine amongst them). Halo's epic battles and co-op gameplay drew me right in, I'm dubious as to when a game will draw me into the PS3 like that. The next game I'm looking forward to is RE5, which will be on PS3 and 360, maybe even PC as well, but there is no way that the PS3 version will be hundreds of pounds better than the 360 version - going by current trends it could be worse. That's one sucking chest wound on Sony and without mass market appeal PS3 only games (like Halo3 or anything Mario) it won't change fast.

What I'd love to see is Sony making an absolutely amazing game, one that would force me to buy a PS3, because if the PS3 got that foothold we might see more original games on the 360. Right now all we seem to be getting on 360 is creepy FPS games, I don't want to buy more FPS games until I complete the 10 creepy FPS games I have already. I think I'm gonna buy more Wii games from now on.


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SNES-Bought many years later from a friend becasue I never had one
N64-Gifts, but I contsantly had talked about it to get it
GCN-Lugi's Mansion and Pikmin had made me buy at launch and I'll never regret it.
Wii-Derr, Big N, look at my list
DS-Once again derr...innovation 1100%, I love my little DS, Trauma Center made me buy one.
Gameboy-Gift, but I bought the pocket one just the same.

PS2-Fun platformers, Jak and Ratchet and Clank made me buy it and Gutiar Hero 2 and Tribes made me keep it.

Dreamcast-Sonic made me go and get one.

Genesis-Golden Axe and Sonic

360-Dead Rising made me buy this, I love this franchise so much.

So just as Van said, if ps3 can acutally INTEREST me, I'll go buy one..but I refuse to ackowlegde its existiensce until I see something that would be worth the blood,sweat and tears I pour into my jobs .

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Whoa whoa whoa, let's just stop the ridiculous comments right there ok.

The truth is that Sony are consistantly beaten week in, week out in sales, and the longer it goes on, the less likely it becomes that they will end up overall winners.

That is the absolute, total truth.

There's no fanboyism, it's pretty simple: Sony are further back and they are moving slower, hence they are falling further and further behind.

There is no reason to suggest that they will eventually lead in total sales, until they are leading in rate of sales.

Even if from today they immeadiately start selling 120,000 more units that MS and Nintendo a month, it would still take 5 years to catch up.

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Didn't you also back the PSP vs. DS?? How's that one looking?

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There is one thing holding the Wii down, the fact that people still cannot get them. 4 friends/associates that are in my degree program work at EB(1), Gamestop(2), and 1 at walmart in the electronics sections. They all love to share stories about how evryday starting from about 1/2 hour before they open the phone calls start asking if they got any Wii's in, if they do get them that day they rarely last more than an hour after open. Now with christmas coming up it has gotten worse I hear, Nintendo could shoot themselves in the foot if they do not make alot of consoles available soon.

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It's definitely the games that sell the consoles, that's what most people use them for anyway, regardless of other features. There are 2 games I believe will sell the PS3, as long as they are exclusive or at least much better on PS3. Regardless of what people here thinks about them (I'm not that much into them myself) the games that will bring the most hardware sales are: Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII. MGS4 should be coming next year but FF13 I have no idea.

Personally I can't play FPS on a console, it just won't work. And there's a bit of a problem for 360 because it is so similar to the PC a lot of 360 games comes out on PC sooner or later. Like Gears of war, Halo, Bio Shock and so on. Except for Halo these titles may also make it to PS3 later (like Oblivion). Most people have not bought a new console yet, nor do they have a modern PC so there's really no rush for them to wait for games.

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Posted: 8th Nov 2007 21:58 Edited at: 8th Nov 2007 21:59
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Have you seen Ratchet and Clank? I'll repeat, SMG is not out yet, so my statement is still true

Quote: "Nothing is; the whole 'next gen' is just a marketing phrase, and what was 'next gen' is now current gen :p"


You are arguing for the sake of it. In the game industry, the 360 and PS3 are "next-gen" systems. The Wii is not.

@Matt -
Quote: "Lair"


Umm

Yah, Lair is great *rolls eyes* Lair is turd. Steaming, squishy, corn-infested turd. I don't know one person who liked that game, but I know 6 who bought it and instantly regretted it.

Quote: "It's almost a mythical level of comedy!"


And a real-world level of comedy is when people have die-hard affection toward a brand, and are in denial if their golden company somehow doesn't do as well as they'd hoped. Scary thing is I believe you are completely honest in your love for all things Sony--- bizarre for someone to compulsively adore a company unfailingly.

Quote: "When someone actually proves to me that Halo 3 is worth playing"


Sure, let's let the people decide. Another Metacritic link:



Almost twice as high as Lair. You are too funny Matt

Did you completely disregard your post about sending us all a bottle of coke? I can taste it now

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Man, if I had been around here a year ago Matt would have to mail a Coke to Sweden, the shipping cost would have been more then the bottle

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Firstly, the point of the Wii being next gen was secondary, if not totally irrelevant to the point you were replying to, so if anyone is arguing for the sake of it, it's you.

Secondly, I never said the Wii was 'next gen'. Rather, the point I made, is that nothing is next gen. Think about the wording of that phrase: next generation. Namely the next part. These consoles are released, and available to buy. Surely, beyond the retarded marketing crap that gets slung at us day-after-day, the literal meaning of this is no longer relevant to the PS3/360 etc?

They're the current generation of consoles now, not the next. That was my point.


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Posted: 8th Nov 2007 22:19
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Quote: "Firstly, the point of the Wii being next gen was secondary, if not totally irrelevant to the point you were replying to."


It was entirely relevant--- someone said SMG is a next-gen game. Therefore I had to point out that a) it's not out yet, and b) the Wii is not next-gen.

Quote: "Thing about the wording of that phrase: next generation. Namely the next part. These consoles are released, and available to buy. Surely, beyond the retarded marketing crap that gets slung at us day-after-day, the literal meaning of this is no longer relevant to the PS3/360 etc?"


There's no point in arguing this. Technically you are correct-- when the 360 came out it was current gen and everything else was last gen, etc. etc. But for all intents and purposes, the industry still calls 360 and PS3 "next-gen". You can argue until the end of time that it's not technically accurate. What I'm saying is from the industry's point of view, the game company's themselves do not consider the Wii as part of that "next-gen" category.

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Quote: "Firstly, the point of the Wii being next gen was secondary, if not totally irrelevant to the point you were replying to, so if anyone is arguing for the sake of it, it's you.

Secondly, I never said the Wii was 'next gen'. Rather, the point I made, is that nothing is next gen. Think about the wording of that phrase: next generation. Namely the next part. These consoles are released, and available to buy. Surely, beyond the retarded marketing crap that gets slung at us day-after-day, the literal meaning of this is no longer relevant to the PS3/360 etc?

They're the current generation of consoles now, not the next. That was my point."


Very true, this generation has been dubbed as the HD-Gen by most.
Which before anyone cries out "but the Wii isn't HD", while it is true it doesn't physically output to 720/1080p like the other two.. it does connect to HD Televisions.
This makes it HD-Gen, end of story.

Just because it's physical power isn't as capable as the 360 or PS3 doesn't mean it can't run games comperable to this generation.
They still have basically the same physics, there are some that graphically are just as impressive.

Technically speaking the Wii has the EXACT same graphics processor as the 360, it can do the EXACT same graphics operations. It is just running about half the speed.

Given the Wii games only have to run 480p rather than 720p believe it or not this headroom means they can achieve almost as much; especially with the memory model. It is just very unlikely many will push the console that much.

Super Mario Galaxy however looks awesome.

As for Matt's comments .. dude earn a dollar and buy an f-ing clue.
The Playstation 3 quite frankly is struggling to keep on the market, as are it's software sales.

Metal Gear Solid 4 will change this, however remember the original Xbox while Halo/Halo 2 basically sold that console was always in the shadow of the Playstation 2.

If you can't see that fact, then just sit there living in la-la land.

As for the lack of games on the Xbox 360 other than FPS.. while this month have seen an usual number pop-up, really it's like waiting for a bus. Until no we had what... Call of Duty, Perfect Dark Zero, or F.E.A.R.

So give this was the Xboxs' main selling point this is cool.
There are quite a few good RPGs, Naruto just got released, there's also quite a few other good games. While yes the FPS like Halo 3 and Bioshock have dominated the news, there are lots of REALLY REALLY good games available now and due out soon.

Not just Retail but also Live Arcade. In-fact Live Arcade will soon have all of the Dream-Build-Play winner are set to be on it over Christmas. Some fairly interesting and unique games there.

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The Xbox 720 will be fully backwards compatible with the Xbox and Xbox 360, games and controllers." - Steve Ballmer during the XBOX conference (11/4/2007)"

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MATT! You missed my post.

Quote: "Matt may have forgotten, but he's about to lose a bet:

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=97473&b=2&p=3


Quote: "TO MATT

Quote: "A year from launch, let's see the figures and see how right I am . If I am, you guys all owe me a coke!"
If a year from launch you're right, I swear that as long as you send me a reminder e-mail (preferably with this post being quoted) with your address, I will mail you a bottle of coke, with a letter acknowledging you were right all along (being that the ps3 has the most units sold of the Xbox 360, the Wii, and the PS3). You can even make a thread about it if you want, with a pic of the coke and card.

I'm serious. I'm not saying this because I'm that ridiculously confident that I'm right in thinking the PS3 wont be the number one system, but because I believe that it's worth it to show a real vote of confidence on Apollo that goes a bit father than a few words which everyone will forget in an hour. That, and because at least one person should actually take you up on your bet.

My only condition is, if what I have described as being your belief about the state of the console war a year from launch (November 17, 2007 right?) turns out to be wrong and more Wiis or Xbox 360s have been sold total than PS3's, you must make a thread in the Apollo Geek Culture Board stating that you were wrong that the PS3 would be the top selling system at that point in time. Also, that the title of the thread make it very clear what you are talking about. Very fair conditions, I would think.

If it's still acurate, the numbers on nexgenwars.com should do nicely."

http://nexgenwars.com/
I'd like to note that as far as I know, Nexgen is wrong and the Wii has passed 13 mil already. At least according to IGN."



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All the current-gen systems (Xbox, PS2, NGC) connect to HD TVs and can output at least 480p

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Last-gen damn you!

Anyway, I don't know why people keep bringing the Wii up in the console "wars", because it's not trying to compete for the same demography. It's for casual gamers, most of which wouldn't play many games anyway, and definitely not splash out 350+ for a console. To balance that out though, a lot of "hardcore" gamers boycott the Wii because they find it underpowered etc. Nintendo don't care who sells the most, they're making money from every console, something Microsoft and Sony wont be doing for years.

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Only advantage I see of blue ray is you can have everything uncompressed... I guess. Sure you can store more stuff, but you can still get more or less the same quality on a dvd. Unless of course you had the best HD tv and the best audio system then maybe you can tell the difference but at the moment i'm not sold on the idea since I can't afford that sort of stuff.

anyway heavenly sword is quite good for the ps3 at the moment.. but that's it for me at the moment lol. Not worth buying a console for it though. Maybe when Devil may cry 4 comes out....
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For consoles to load game media reasonable fast the content on the disc must be uncompressed. You can't install a whole game on the HDD, 1 BD is almost as big as the biggest console HDDs.

High res textures in multiple layers and high polygon models with tons of animations takes up a lot of space. Another advantage is having multiple languages (like Japanese and English).

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Quote: "bizarre for someone to compulsively adore a company unfailingly"

Do you not remember what happened when I dissed EA in the past? Every time I did it? It's a different situation of course, because I don't work for Sony, but I don't see what's wrong with sticking with a company you love through thick and thin. Nintendo *definitely* had it's bad times, but did Nintendo fans stick with them through the worst crap? Give me one good reason why that's any different. Just because Sony had a bad launch doesn't mean I'm going to just abandon them and jump on the sony-hating bandwagon. The PS3 is an awesome console with a ton of potential, and that's the end of that.

Plus, I don't have to send Coke to anyone . Bizar was the only person who took me up on the bet, and as you can see in his quote, there's no me-sending-him-coke written in there, just me acknowledging I was wrong in a thread. I've admitted I was wrong a dozen times and anyone who cares already read me say that, but I'll go and make a thread about it if you want .

Quote: "As for Matt's comments .. dude earn a dollar and buy an f-ing clue.
The Playstation 3 quite frankly is struggling to keep on the market, as are it's software sales."

I'd be offended if that came from anyone else, but since it's Raven and I rarely take the time to attack him (or even read his silly posts), I'll have a go:

Wake up! Seriously! Why is it SO HARD for those of you who blatently hate Sony to just admit that they're picking up momentum? It's a simple FACT that their sales have been improving at an extreme rate recently. And I fail to recognize why it's so difficult for some of you to just acknowledge that. It's not struggling anymore, it's just losing. There's a very, very big difference there.

When a car is going around a race track and is eight laps behind the lead car, then shapes up and narrows that gap so that it's only two laps behind, you don't think that's impressive in the very least? Would you really call that struggling? And if they keep gaining speed while the lead car ignores any potential threat, you don't think they could eventually catch up and even lap them? Apparently some people (like Raven) aren't capable of understanding what raw numbers mean, and that yes, they've definitely and without question... UNARGUABLY have improved their sales lately. A 60% improvement, actually. While I'm out buying a clue, maybe you should buy some NPD stats, Raven. Also note that according to that article, The 360 sold 170k units this past July... the PS3 sold 159k. That's a marginal difference by anyone's standards and a dramatic improvement from before. The Wii was July's 800-pound gorilla in the room, outselling both combined. But then in October, the PS3 pushed past the 360 in sales in Japan and even further narrowed that gap. Seriously, if you can't see how well Sony is improving their situation in just the past few months, you aren't good enough with math to be a programmer. But then I can't think of anything you've actually programmed Raven, so I guess that just goes without saying. There, happy now? I can flame too. I don't usually stoop to that level, but you were just begging for it.

The reason it's so hilarious to me is that when Sony does something smart, very, very few people are willing to give them credit where credit is due. If it were Nintendo trailing that poorly (as they were with the Gamecube) and they improved their sales as strongly as Sony did (as they didn't with the Gamecube), I'd call anyone a liar who claimed they wouldn't be just as excited about the potential as I am about Sony's recent successes, and wouldn't put up the same exact arguement.


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True on the part Nintendo doesn't care who they sell too.
Hell most "hardcore" games as they see themselves, never really bought the GameCube cause they saw it as a kiddy console.

Which if any saw my library of GameCube games they'd wonder where the actual childrens titles were. With the exception of Mario Sunshine, Pikmin and Billy Hatcher; the rest of my 40 strong titles are 15+ (and yes that's for the GAMECUBE)

That said as for "Microsoft and Sony" not making money.. Microsoft have made money on their hardware even with the payment for returns and such for around 6-7months now. They're still getting the largest profit from software sales too than the other two.

While the Wii has sold the most units, games wise their customers only have 3-4 titles each; where-as the 360 has around 10-15 titles each. That isn't including the Xbox Live titles (which is close to 5-8 each).

Quote: "All the current-gen systems (Xbox, PS2, NGC) connect to HD TVs and can output at least 480p"


Previous-Generation, not Current-Generation.
While it's true they all can connect to HD-TVs.. guess what so can my 20year old RF Coaxial Antenna. You going to tell me that's because the PAL-I signal supports 480p?

Yes, the signal comes through a 480; but certainly not a Progressive Signal. In-fact this support is via Component(Scart/EuroAV) only, and as for each prev-gen console supporting this... not exactly.

While yes both the Playstation 2 and Xbox supported it, but it was a software based solution. As such ment that it wasn't particularly widespread supported due to having to program support in-house, also it came with a performance overhead.
In a choice between 480p and Bloom, often the choice was obvious.

The GameCube supported it fully in the hardware, however it also always forced 50Hz on PAL and 60Hz on NTSC with no way to change. This ment that 480p only looked right on PAL when in 16:9, where-as looked quite squashed when at 4:3.
480 Interlaced however looked fine at both aspects, but not as chrisp output.

I mean that's the real only difference between 480 Interlaced and 480p, is that as p outputs the entire frame in a single frame rather than interlacing alternatively over 2 frames made one look clean while the other slightly fuzzy.

It's difficult to really explain the difference in the looks and until recently very difficult to emulate.

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Quote: "Do you not remember what happened when I dissed EA in the past? Every time I did it? It's a different situation of course, because I don't work for Sony, but I don't see what's wrong with sticking with a company you love through thick and thin. Nintendo *definitely* had it's bad times, but did Nintendo fans stick with them through the worst crap? Give me one good reason why that's any different. Just because Sony had a bad launch doesn't mean I'm going to just abandon them and jump on the sony-hating bandwagon. The PS3 is an awesome console with a ton of potential, and that's the end of that."


Difference is, Nintendo fans (and I am one by the way who stuck throughout the GameCube and N64 fiascos) is they never were disillusioned into spewing propoganda to try to say "oh well this is the best console ever despite the fact the company did wrong"

We also didn't stick by them through the crap that was put out. At the end of the day, Nintendo screwed up; and their fans know that better than anyone else who sat at the sidelines and slung mud for the hell of it.

What pisses me off about you Sony fanboys is you just don't listen to reason.. it's like you've been given a full frontal labotomy with a label on the front of the jar saying "Sony is god, everyone else is wrong"

You want to know why Sony is in the strong position they are right now? 3 sodding words.

GRAND THEFT AUTO

Which is a title that I think actually sums up the adverage Sony fanboy who still firmly believes they're the best offering to the world since sliced bread. (i.e. yourself)
But I'll leave you to figure out exactly what I mean by that.

Quote: "But then in October, the PS3 pushed past the 360 in sales in Japan and even further narrowed that gap."


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Oh no.. the PS3 never outsold an AMERICAN console in JAPAN.
That is such a shocker I might actually have a jaw-drop moment man! Seriously I never saw that comming in my life.
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Quote: "Wake up! Seriously! Why is it SO HARD for those of you who blatently hate Sony to just admit that they're picking up momentum? It's a simple FACT that their sales have been improving at an extreme rate recently. And I fail to recognize why it's so difficult for some of you to just acknowledge that. It's not struggling anymore, it's just losing. There's a very, very big difference there. "


Yeah how about some proof of figures, you provide proof; then I'll provide you with proof of how Xbox Live Arcade alone is beating it.

Quote: "Seriously, if you can't see how well Sony is improving their situation in just the past few months, you aren't good enough with math to be a programmer. But then I can't think of anything you've actually programmed Raven, so I guess that just goes without saying. There, happy now? I can flame too. I don't usually stoop to that level, but you were just begging for it."


Hmm.. you know I don't actually remember you doing anything useful either. Again, until you provide some proof their doing better I'll believe it; all the information I have suggests that while yes they're growing it isn't even close to the same rate as their competitors.

In-fact Xbox Live Arcade figures alone have been out-performing the Playstation 3 to such a degree that Microsoft have just released a new console bundle SPECIFICALLY for those who want to use Live Arcade.

I mean when Sony wants to release a console for specifically playing games, perhaps I'll believe they're actually selling them. Oh but wait I forgot they do play Playstation 3 games now don't they, that's why the Playstation 2 support was ripped out of both new models that are replacing the 60GB version which everyone has been buying because they know that after that they'll just have to get rid of their extensive library of games or pay even more through the nose to get one that accepts their huge game libraries.

Nothing like screwing over your potencial customers to the point where most fans of their console have actually bought an Xbox 360.

In-fact out of everyone I know.. there is only one other person except myself who owns a Playstation 3. Given I'm fairly Anti-Sony with a PS3 for the sole reason of Heavenly Sword, MGS4, LittleBigPlanet and Final Fantasy XIII ... guess which of those aren't out yet!

So far the price has really been worth it, I mean soo many games to choose from as well. Given the extra £5-10 I have to pay mind for these games; I'm trying to think... which games are actually exclusive. hmmm
Out of a library of simply tens of games (AFTER A YEAR FGS!!), there are less exclusive titles than I can count on my hand.

And don't feed me the BS that the Playstation 3 titles look better than the Xbox 360 ones. I've yet to find anyone who can see any sodding difference in each of the title multi-platform.

I can see some minor difference but frankly even BEING AN ARTIST BY TRADE FOR THE PAST DECADE, it is quite difficult to really see any difference. Yes, Heavenly Sword looks nice; however warrenting the console having a bigger price tag by atleast £100? no.

The game isn't even that sodding enjoyable, they should've just released it as a machinima movie. I'd have felt my money was better spent than a combat system that does at it pleases all the time.. oh plus the ridiculous useage of the sixaxis that franlky would've worked just as well on the analog sticks.

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Don't worry, this won't be a Raven sized post again . I just wanted to point out something which keeps coming up. Its continually commented on that you have to be mega rich to buy a PS3. Have you looked at the prices recently? Currently in the UK you can get the top spec PS3 available for £350 including two games (worth what - £39 each?) and two BluRay movies (worth £20 to £25 each). For the top 360 (the Elite which I believe is the only one with proper HDMI output unless someone wants to correct me) it is £320 including one game (worth £39). So thats an extra £30 for the PS3 with an extra game and two high def movies. Okay, so the hard drive in the PS3 is half the size but you can always add a USB one and store downloads and video on it (which you can't do on the 360 AFAIK). We won't mention that the 360 doesn't come with a high def drive in it, or wireless networking - oops .
The price argument doesn't really count any more. If you are that worried about price, go and buy a traded in original Playstation for £15 from Gamestation. You can get games for a quid too!


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Quote: "Plus, I don't have to send Coke to anyone . Bizar was the only person who took me up on the bet, and as you can see in his quote, there's no me-sending-him-coke written in there, just me acknowledging I was wrong in a thread. I've admitted I was wrong a dozen times and anyone who cares already read me say that, but I'll go and make a thread about it if you want ."

Definitely make the thread, but wait until around the 17th.


And no, the Wii is not just not just for people who play few games, I've got games up to my eyeballs, and the only console I've ever gotten is a Wii. I actaully know a number of hard core gamers who have Wii's. Though I'll admit that I also know a few extremely hardcore gamers that traded their Wiis in for 360's, but not for the graphics, mostly for the shooters.

Are any other Wii owners interested in No More Heroes? I only know a bit about it, but from what I've heard and seen it looks like it will be awesome.


I'm hoping the ps3 doesn't catch up at any point to the Wii or 360, partially because I hate sony, and partialy because I don't want to need to learn more controllers than a pc, 360, Wii, and N64 in my dorm. You see, at this point no one on my college campus has a ps3.


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No more Heroes will be Suda 51's killer game on wii.

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Posted: 9th Nov 2007 03:47 Edited at: 9th Nov 2007 03:48
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I'll state 5 short things:

* The Wii is not only for casual gamers. They have enough stuff for hardcore gamers, including but not limited to Zelda, Metroid and Super Mario Galaxy.
* The PS3 is catching up - no denying. It has some rather good titles, although it won't be having a exclusive killer title for a while. Assassins Creed, while not an exclusive, will certainly be good news for Sony.
* Blu-Ray seems unable to beat HD-DVD. It heads for failure.
* Halo 3 is not 1% gameplay and certainly not graphics. The graphics are below par if you compare them to Assassins Creed or Bioshock. Gameplaywise, it remains the (acknowledged by most sources) single-best console shooter to this moment.
* Matt, you're a total PS3 fanboy. Go get one, I'll pay if you send me 1000 bottles of Coca Cola.


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you know i saw a really funny pic somewhere of a ps4 controller with a gajillion analog sticks and etc. Yeah, I basically came to ask if this was fake and I guess it is...
Also, is it me or did this turn into a whats the best next gen console fight? Oh well, its my 2nd hot topic so I should be glad lol.

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Quote: "Do you not remember what happened when I dissed EA in the past? Every time I did it?"


Shut up... honestly. I have said time and time again that I could care less what people say about EA, as long as it's non-biased and *factual*. Your foggy memory is infuriating--- this is nothing like that. If I didn't work for EA it would be the same thing--- I hate when somebody says something that is not factual and an all-out lie (i.e. EA never innovates).

Quote: "The PS3 is an awesome console with a ton of potential, and that's the end of that."


Well, potential isn't good enough for me. I had a moment of weakness when I bought my PS3, so if anyone has a right to trash PS3, it's somebody like myself that actually owns one. I also own a Wii, and *never* play it either. Please don't mistake me for a Ninty or 360 fanboy. I like games that I enjoy, obviously, and any system that will offer them will get my praises.

Quote: "and as you can see in his quote, there's no me-sending-him-coke written in there"


Quote: "with your address, I will mail you a bottle of coke"


Ummm

Quote: "the PS3 pushed past the 360 in sales in Japan"


Rofl. Considering everyone including my own grandmother predicted the 360 wouldn't sell more than 1 unit in Japan, that's not surprising. Ask anyone who knows their salt if it's amazing for the PS3 to outsell the 360 in Japan and you'll get laughed at

Quote: "The reason it's so hilarious to me is that when Sony does something smart, very, very few people are willing to give them credit where credit is due."


You keep eluding to this something "smart" Sony has done recently. Can you name it? Is it 2 console drops in 1 year, which is unprecedented in this industry? Removing BC to get the unit cheaper? What's this smart thing you're referring to?

@Raven:
Quote: "Previous-Generation, not Current-Generation."


Xbox, PS2 and NGC are considered "current gen" in the industry.

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Quote: "Xbox, PS2 and NGC are considered "current gen" in the industry."


Guess it depends on where you work, and if you're still actually supporting them.

I've not actually heard the term "Next-Gen" from friends who are also in development companies.. well bar you. Perhaps EA still feels strongly about supporting the last generation so much they're not going to call it such.

That said if you've noticed especially from the media, they refer to Playstation 3 games as "Next-Gen" or "Truely Next-Gen"; yet at the same time refer to Playstation 2 games as "Last-Gen".

In-fact outside of people talking about it to the media, often the generation term really comes up as such.

Right now we're on 7th/HD/Current-Generation consoles.. which are the Playstation 3, Xbox 360 and Wii. Don't particularly care if you don't believe the Wii is part of the Current-Generation that the media keeps refering to as Next-Generation; which ultimately comes down to the quality to be quite frank.

Just because they tell you at work this is "Next-Gen" stuff, doesn't mean they're instantly right. You have your own damn mind, and I assume some level of intelligence.. how can you honestly call something the market develops primarily for right now "Next" not "Current"?

I'd also love to know what companies seriously see the last-generation consoles as; well markets still. I've yet to see new franchises made on any of them, in-fact the PS2 really has only seen a couple of new games.. and the other two. Well what exactly have they had?

The Playstation 2 is still in that transitional period, but certainly not current-gen.

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