Quote: "Really? No one ever claimed the Gamecube was the best console ever? Really?!? I've heard that, oh, a few zillion times from people. Here's a forum with someone saying it. Here's someone else saying it. I could do that all day, point is, when the PS2/ XBox/ Gamecube era was going on, it wasn't too hard to find a Nintendo fanboy who said the other two consoles were crap and the Gamecube was the best, even though the Gamecube had very similar sales figures as the PS3. And on that note..."
Gamespot and GameFAQ, yeah I must've forgotten how all of their users are really up-standing. That said, there are many other posts around where these people were pushed to the edge by the Sony fanboys about how great and powerful their little console was.
Still distinctly remember many claiming that Metal Gear Solid 3(PS2) beat Resident Evil 4(GC) in visuals. That personally riled me up far more than once; especially as they kept up this same mentality claming the PS2 version of RE4 was better looking still.
Sure the GameCube had similar figures to the PS3, never going to deny that.. also to me that suggests that Sony are going to have to settle for last place this generation.
Quote: "So what you're saying is, if I like the PS3 and defend it, I'm disillusioned. But if I went around supporting the Wii and/ or 360, what, I'd be a better person? I'm sick to death of this theory that I must be brainwashed for loving Sony. Anyone who thinks they haven't done anything for the game industry, and the entertainment industry as a whole for that matter, shouldn't be allowed to visit game development sites. And just because I love the PS3 doesn't mean I'm disillusioned or anything else. If you can't deal with hearing the opinions of others, I'd hate to know what your real-world interactions must be like."
It's not who you're siding with, it's how you're doing it.
I firmly believe many Playstation owners from the PS2-Generation quite frankly are brainwashed fools, who don't even believe in any console outside of what they own due to the Sony Propaganda.
Nintendo and Sega had this same problem during the 80s, but that was back when you could actively attack the competition without a just reason. It was acceptable back then, but tbh not where near as many people had those consoles as they did in the last generation.
Quote: "Really? I've never admitted Sony was wrong for their marketing campaign? I never said the Wii was a good console? I never admitted I was wrong about Sony's future success? Just because I root for them and hope they succeed doesn't mean they have a PR chip installed in my head. Seeing as how you always show up in these threads Raven, it's pretty astonishing you could say something so crass. But then again, it's you I'm talking about here."
I don't care what you have or haven't admited in the past, but whatever it was certainly as hell hasn't made it to this thread.
All you keep saying is how awesome the PS3 is, far more so than the competition.. and how they've been selling more consoles now, enough to catch up... and how their current marketing (which btw is on the rare occasions we have adverts still those complete nonsense "this is living!" campaign)
What's more is you've not touched on the fact that Sony have dropped Playstation/Playstation 2 compatibility in their new consoles, which in their own words "is a marketing strategy for the better" ... how? if there are no games to replace those THOUSANDS of title they're dropping support for?
Yeah they've dropped the price by what £50, ooh whoopie that's amazing now I can buy half a PS2 and get some compatibility back eh?
Sorry, but £350 is STILL too much for a console when you consider the market price point of the competition. It's more marketing it's stupidity that they're hoping the fans wont cock on to.
Simply because they make money on the PS2 now (finally).
Quote: "Funniest thing I've read on TGC in 2007, hands down. So you're saying the GTA series made the PS1 successful, and the PS2 didn't have any other games of quality? Even though XBox had versions for it with improved graphics? Do some homework, then repeat that comment."
This has nothing to do with the Playstation 1, that console gained it's hold on the market by providing something that actually made sense.
Games utilises the extra space CDs provided, the console was always a competitive price; in-fact it was the cheaper option between Saturn and N64. As was the media cheaper.
Not to mention they were the easiest to program for with a decent SDK that allowed developers quicker to market time.
That generation they were not the most powerful, and the fact they were able to upgrade it mid-way through it's lifetime with DualShock.. well a stroke of genius that actually led to many dropping the N64 entirely.
While the Playstation 2 carried on this legacy, what has pissed me off from the start; was simply they had to lie to everyone in order to push it to begin with. Without Grand Theft Auto (most of the series is EXCLUSIVE), Final Fantasy (which they tried to force SquareSoft not to release Crystal Chronicals) and Guitar Hero. There is no way it would be even remotely close to as popular as it currently is.
It's the sheer number of exclusive titles it has. They also were the most accessible for 3rd party developers still as well, making it THE platform to develop for. The orignal easy to use SDK also helped in that areas ALOT.
With the Playstation 3 they have continued this whole lying and under-handed thing they started with the Playstation 2. This has no bareing as much on the Console itself, as both Consoles I firmly believe are good in their own right; but Sony are just too sodding full of themselves.
What's more is the fans (like yourself) back them up whenever they do anything wrong. Rather than sitting down and questioning WHY there are no games for the console you keep chirping "there's MGS4 on the horizon" or some such.
Fact is they went in to this generation in the strongest possible position. No one has EVER commanded the market like Sony have, and rather than continuing what made their last outings so damn un-missable for most console players they've bought into their own hype about being the untouchable company when it comes to making games machines. They've over-extended themselves with new technology that the market just isn't ready for.
CD and DVD were just hitting the mass market when they used them; however both technologies were NOT new. They'd been available for quite a while before Sony made use of them. BluRay had been on the market for a year... A YEAR. That was for Japan as well which is where it was available for most of that year release only.
Yes you've posted a link about how their marketing campaign is changing. That means NOTHING! Absolutely nothing.
I want to see a market report that says their doing far better now, as they were up to 3million sold in March (3months after release) we're not another 6months on with only 6million sold.
Yes mid-year is generally slow, but fgs man. Do the math yourself.
Unless they can keep up with the other brands over Christmas, which with no real AAA titles going to market over the next few weeks apart from Rachet and Clank (which tbh is only eagerly awaited by fans of the series, if you have one you have them all imo) but that isn't enough to sell lots more consoles.
The other titles are also available on the 360, and cost less; which the console costs less too with a far larger game library.
Sony NEED games. There are no two ways around this. Saying they can turn it around is just pissing in to the wind without any sort of proof that they are capable of atleast providing the same number of games to market as it's competitors.
Microsoft have had a huge number of games delayed this holiday not because they're not ready... but just to help spread out how many are out at once. They have nearly 40 titles being released this holiday alone. (full list available on xbox.com)
Sony have no where close to this many.
I've also not heard you say you have a PS3 yet.
When this console was in development, I was a little excited to see how this all played out. To begin with I did believe that Sony was likely to dominate again, but that it would be a closer race between them and Microsoft.
It has been a constant surprise that the Wii quite frankly has blown away the competition completely. There just is no denying that. Nintendo did in 4months what it took Microsoft a year to achieve, and Sony looks to be struggling.
Sony really need to get this head out of their arse. Seriously!
They have no really killer IPs that are exclusive anymore.
Sure Final Fantasy is, but only XIII Vs now. Metal Gear Solid 4 is exclusive; but not sure how many people are going to be willing to spend £350+ on a console then a further £50 for a game.
That's £400+ for just a single title. Would you spend that?
I know I wouldn't.
You could harp on about Gran Turismo 5 all you like too, but honestly the game seriously pales in comparison to Forza. I have Forza 2 and downloaded the GT5 Demo/Preview thingie.. the physics in GT5 still SERIOUSLY let the game down. It just isn't anywhere close to as much fun, and needlessly technical. Not saying technical aspects aren't good, but it provides it to you in the whole Haynes manual obsessive way; which is cool if you have an actual engine in-front of you and you're doing something you don't know. If you don't there are details you don't need to know, especially when there is no real graphical front but just data.
Unless Sony have a miricle, this generation for them is already over. Sorry but that's just a truth, the first 12months of any product are the most important. Either it is successful or it isn't.
The Playstation 3 is simply hemoraging money for Sony, a pure fact you can't get away from. They've cut this back by stripping the compatibility, but it's still not enough to offset the cost of BluRay. A format that frankly they could've provided in the same fashion Microsoft did with HD-DVD, but they didn't.
The sortage of consoles and high price point compared to the competition... the more difficult SDK because Sony felt that cause developers could do more things with lower level from the get go. It's all really been slowly killing them.
Realistically the question you should be asking as a Sony fan at this point is will they have enough faith in the brand to continue to the next generation? Will they actually see this generation to the end?
At the end of the day Sony is bigger than just their console market.. while in the past it has provided them with quite a bit of profit from software and selling their other products. Realistically now it has been seriously cutting their profits.
If it were me in-charge of Sony, I would've given them 6-12months to try to stop this ridiculous loss and get a number of exclusive 3rd party titles on the system. After that, cut it loose.
Sony bet the farm on the PS3 doing better purely on hype. The farm has lost now it's just purely damage control.. end of story.
