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Bizar Guy
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Posted: 10th May 2008 18:46 Edited at: 17th May 2008 05:56
I'm not going to say anything, except that this explains what they've been doing with all the modelers they've got.

Quote: "Over the past year, we've been keeping a rather large secret. We have been working on a complete graphical rework of RuneScape, which is looking truly spectacular. There's no need to take our word for it: look at the images below and see for yourself.

As you know, we currently offer 'High Detail' and 'Low Detail' modes. We plan on adding a new and optional detail mode, bringing you accelerated higher quality graphics. This will be in addition to the existing detail modes, as they will remain unchanged.

As if the improvements below weren't enough, an optional fullscreen version of RuneScape is due at the same time. This will let you play at a resolution of your choice, and it also supports widescreen monitors. We think you'll agree, the future of RuneScape is looking very good indeed...."


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Posted: 10th May 2008 18:50 Edited at: 10th May 2008 18:51
I still think the game is going to be crap - yeah, I'm happy for the developers for what they're doing, but the community makes the game unplayable.
(the before + afters dont show up)

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Posted: 10th May 2008 19:07 Edited at: 10th May 2008 19:08
The game itself isn't bad, but the community ruins it. But that graphical update looks pretty awesome for a Java based game. I played the Original runescape(Not Runescape 2, which everyone assumes as the original one), and its gameplay was great. But the community sucked and so did the game graphicly.

But this looks quite a bit better then most online browser games there are.

EDIT : The Before/After will show up when you visit the original site and newsfeed.
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Posted: 10th May 2008 19:14
Some of my mates play Runescape and I have ridiculed them for it almost indefinately. No graphics update will make me play it. (However, I may just have to give it a try to prove my su spicions.)

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Posted: 10th May 2008 19:33 Edited at: 10th May 2008 19:34
I'm not saying anything about the game, except to point out a graphics update. I don't care what you think about the gameplay really, I don't have time to argue the good and bad points, or what you have to do to find a good rs community (and yes, they exist). I'm just pointing out the RS developers are always improving the game, and that this is pretty much half of what I didn't like about RS gone.

Do you think it's interesting that now that the graphics wont suck, everyone is looking for other reasons to hate it? After all, you all have to justify your implicit theories somehow.

I'm not say anyone's reasons are invalid, but that I highly doubt they're the real reasons y'all don't like RS. That's just my general psych class talking though.

Edit, I'll add a link to the site, click on the fullsize, as I think that will work regaurdless.

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Posted: 10th May 2008 19:38
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Do you think it's interesting that now that the graphics wont suck, everyone is looking for other reasons to hate it?"


I never had a problem with the graphics. It just seems like a waste of time to me. I've had to tune out of one too many conversations about gold digging and random questing in the company of some of my friends.

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Posted: 10th May 2008 20:17 Edited at: 10th May 2008 20:25
The community sucks, but the game ain't that bad - I had fun for a while, until I was walking in random caves, appeared in the wilderness and had my good stuff nicked when some cheeky git killed me - that's what sucked the fun out of it, because I got to earn the cash to get it all back.

This would explain why I've seen so many 3D Modeller jobs available in the want ads and on notice boards. (I like near Jagex UK, plus I browsed a few of the boards at uni)

It looks better.

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Posted: 10th May 2008 20:46
The terrain is better as the parts now transition and with detail mapping + lightmaps, but other than that all I can see is slightly better lighting on models and the trees use a different filtering mode, I see no changed models judging by those pics alone. So yes the graphics still suck, but is is a browser game so meh.

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Quote: "This would explain why I've seen so many 3D Modeller jobs available in the want ads and on notice boards."

That's what I was thinking.

Quote: "The community sucks, but the game ain't that bad - I had fun for a while, until I was walking in random caves, appeared in the wilderness and had my good stuff nicked when some cheeky git killed me - that's what sucked the fun out of it, because I got to earn the cash to get it all back."

I know what you mean. They fixed that a while ago though, there are now signs and a ledge you have to jump across to go into the wilderness. There are also ghosts instead of players trying to kill you in it though, which makes it not really worth going into the wilderness for me.

@dark coder,
You're right, none of the models are different! Good catch.

I don't think that means the graphics still suck though (as an mmo, and a browser game). I've thought the more recently redone areas were fairly well modeled.

Also, the mention of full screen mode, which is great for those of us who don't like having to lower our screen res just to see what's going on. That makes it hard for me to want to go through the effort to play (1200x1600 monitor).

I suspect this doesn't mean the animations have improved or the character models, which is disappointing. But if you look at the full size pic of the updated graphics, the draw distance appears to be larger, which more than any other part of the visuals I find to be a put off. So, if the draw distance is longer, that would be one of the best graphical updates, I think.

Most importantly, this is a much larger update than I (and most others) expected to see unless they did a RS 3.


I'll post more when the dev diary comes out, as that will give specifics on what the graphical update actually is, aside from being for the entire game world, which is rather large. I hope it means remodeling all the older areas, which are pretty bad.

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Posted: 10th May 2008 22:04
As of now, all the graphics in MMO's are worse than average. It just happens that way. FPS's and RPG's have the best graphics.

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Posted: 10th May 2008 22:32
i can see the pics

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Posted: 10th May 2008 23:26
Wow, now they have textures (yes, I know they had them already, but I can see only leaves in the 1st pic as a texture)

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Posted: 11th May 2008 03:01
I can not see the pictures.

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Posted: 11th May 2008 03:08
NOW I can see em. (rather than having to go to the site)

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Posted: 11th May 2008 03:43
lol its about time they updated it. Still not gonna play it tho


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Posted: 11th May 2008 13:21 Edited at: 11th May 2008 13:26
This thread is a good example of how important graphics are to some people.

I used to play Runescape, and while the graphics sucked at the time I found it quite fun.

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Posted: 11th May 2008 14:55
same.
a lot of people i know think runescape sucks. I normally say why and they say "because the gfx sucks". Then i usually say, "What about doom then?" then they make up some crap.


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Posted: 11th May 2008 17:33
To me, Runescape is one of those games where, when asked about it, I'd just say, "Meh." It's a mediocre game. If Jagex made RS with C++ or an equivalent engine and made the game look a lot better, and sold it world-wide for around $30, then I'd say more than "Meh." Instead of making a lot of 5s a month, make around a hundred thousand per year, that's a big difference.
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Posted: 11th May 2008 17:40
Hmm, I just tried it again, and it got better with all the new Member features such as Summoning and houses... I might even continue to play it.
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Posted: 11th May 2008 18:31
Oh no dont cale, trust me dont.

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Posted: 11th May 2008 21:13
Tatters, its alot better then people claim it is, just like Vista. People make it sound worse then it really is.
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Quote: "This thread is a good example of how important graphics are to some people."

No, this thread is a good example of how dedicated Jagex seems to be to making their game better. I posted it because it's a huge update to the area people complain about the game most with. I also find it really cool that after playing so long the game game has evolved so much.

Quote: "I used to play Runescape, and while the graphics sucked at the time I found it quite fun."

Me too. Otherwise I wouldn't still be playing after 6 years... (Yes, I did start with RS classic)

Quote: "To me, Runescape is one of those games where, when asked about it, I'd just say, "Meh." It's a mediocre game. If Jagex made RS with C++ or an equivalent engine and made the game look a lot better, and sold it world-wide for around $30, then I'd say more than "Meh." Instead of making a lot of 5s a month, make around a hundred thousand per year, that's a big difference."

Yes, clearly over 1 million membership accounts paying $5 a month is less profitable than sending out retail copies at $30. Do you realize how many people pay for RS? It's the 2nd most popular mmo for people paying to play it next to WOW. That's not even counting free players.

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Quote: "Tatters, its alot better then people claim it is, just like Vista. People make it sound worse then it really is."

I doubt, I use to be a player until they introduced housing.
the game was a total bore.

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Quote: " doubt, I use to be a player until they introduced housing.
the game was a total bore.
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the game is nothing for anyone who liked fast paced action games, but to the true RPG players, its almost a gods send.
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Posted: 11th May 2008 22:15
Actualy at the time I loved anygame, now im more into the Intense type games.

anyway lets not get into a argument.

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its still gonna suck lol

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Why are the pics 404?

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Posted: 11th May 2008 23:36
They don't show on IE, but on good 'ol firefox they're fine.

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I'm going to take a guess and say that Jagex don't like hotlinking - they show once you click on the link, because the images are there.

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Quote: "No, this thread is a good example of how dedicated Jagex seems to be to making their game better."

No, you're wrong!

I was referring to some of the other posters, not you.

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Quote: "It's the 2nd most popular mmo for people paying to play it next to WOW. That's not even counting free players"


WoW is horrible IMO and RS only has alto of free players only cause its free..people play dont like it..they quit..and alot of people make several accounts so there really is no way to tell how much people play free

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Both are horrible. I played both, had a character in both. Especially wow. Rather play runescape than wow.

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Quote: "Both are horrible. I played both, had a character in both. Especially wow. Rather play runescape than wow."


the only WoW a play is the private server at the game cafe by me, u get everything for free so u just fight...then its kinda fun

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lets all go play Couinter Stike lol
im woundering when or if they will make a proper .exe for RS and make it a proper game, not just webbrowser based. IMO it would be good if they kept it free and paid. Free and paid is a good idea i think, which is why i think RS is better than WOW.

Anywho...i hope they update the game sounds, damn midis are so bad, they could atleast use new midi which kinda sounds real (for midi)


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Quote: "WoW is horrible IMO and RS only has alto of free players only cause its free..people play dont like it..they quit..and alot of people make several accounts so there really is no way to tell how much people play free"


It's still fun, but in the free world, it's only fun for a while, one of the reasons I stopped playing, as I had done all but 1 quest, and on my exploration of new places I magically appeared in the wilderness and got all of my good stuff stolen by a player stronger than I. I would have continued playing if I didn't have to do meaningless repetitive tasks to be able to afford getting my stuff back.

The member world on the other hand, I did give that one a shot and it's a lot more fun as there's a much, much bigger world to explore and more things you can do. Plus I was able to sell my wood at a decent price to fletchers, which got me decent stuff quicker. Plus the range of items is much bigger. Of course that was when I played, 3 years a go.

I'd probably continue playing again if my main PC was connected to the internet.

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Quote: " magically appeared in the wilderness and got all of my good stuff stolen by a player stronger than"

well u cant kill them there now

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Quote: "It's still fun, but in the free world, it's only fun for a while, one of the reasons I stopped playing, as I had done all but 1 quest, and on my exploration of new places I magically appeared in the wilderness and got all of my good stuff stolen by a player stronger than I. I would have continued playing if I didn't have to do meaningless repetitive tasks to be able to afford getting my stuff back.

The member world on the other hand, I did give that one a shot and it's a lot more fun as there's a much, much bigger world to explore and more things you can do. Plus I was able to sell my wood at a decent price to fletchers, which got me decent stuff quicker. Plus the range of items is much bigger. Of course that was when I played, 3 years a go.

I'd probably continue playing again if my main PC was connected to the internet."


Yeah i played RS long time ago too.. It was kinda fun at start but after playing some weeks it was really booring.. But the paid RS gave you much more things to do and it was actually decent mmo then but still.. I would go with another mmo.

There is decent free ones too better than runescape like Fiesta what just came and its imo pretty good even it still feels beta.. (I was beta tester yay ) And plenty bunch of other free mmos..

If you want to pay for mmo i suggest GW, WoW, FFXI there was also one mmo what name i dont remember what ive heard its fun.. Not tested tho.

But you cant really choose from WoW and FFXI because they are really diffrent from each other so you need to know what kind of game you want..

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Also, since runescape took away pvp, now the game will be worse. Sure you can't get trolled by a guy in the wilderness, but you can't have a fight. Either way the game is still stupid in my opinion.

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Quote: "WoW is horrible IMO and RS only has alto of free players only cause its free..people play dont like it..they quit..and alot of people make several accounts so there really is no way to tell how much people play free"

I think you missed the whole point that RS has over 1 million active members paying $5 a month. That's why it's the second most popular mmo, that does not count the free worlds. Do you understand why that's a bit more profitable than making just a few 100 thousand a year?

Quote: "I was referring to some of the other posters, not you."

Oh, sorry!

Quote: "Also, since runescape took away pvp, now the game will be worse. Sure you can't get trolled by a guy in the wilderness, but you can't have a fight. Either way the game is still stupid in my opinion."

You really don't know what you're talking about, do you? RS still has PVP, but there are designated parts of the wilderness for them and they're separated into different types now. A lot of the older players don't like it, but it's not at all like PVP is gone.

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Quote: "Also, since runescape took away pvp, now the game will be worse. Sure you can't get trolled by a guy in the wilderness, but you can't have a fight. Either way the game is still stupid in my opinion."


to me thats a godsend, since I never liked PvP in any game anyway

Quote: "I think you missed the whole point that RS has over 1 million active members paying $5 a month. That's why it's the second most popular mmo, that does not count the free worlds. Do you understand why that's a bit more profitable than making just a few 100 thousand a year?"


Thats true, and most servers never have less then 500 players on them.
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Posted: 12th May 2008 15:17 Edited at: 12th May 2008 15:18
@Prince Of Darkness, there is still pvp, you know... that's what all that stuff cluttering up the wilderness is.

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Quote: "@Prince Of Darkness, there is still pvp, you know... that's what all that stuff cluttering up the wilderness is.
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Really? Never cared to go there yet with my new character... So no idea really.(Yes, new character. My old one seems to have vanished)
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yeah. That's what bounty hunter (and I think slayer) is. Never done it myself, but if you check the map you'll see the wilderness is far too crowded, and they mention it in their updates a lot.

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Quote: "If Jagex made RS with C++ "
Java is very much like C++ except that they fixed all the buggy bits like memory cleanup

The reason they use it is so they have a game that plays anywhere, unlike DirectX based games that only run on M$ operating systems.

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I didn't know there was still pvp either.

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I'm thinking there's a reasonable number of forumites that joined up after playing RS and hoped to make their own version. If only so they could have all the best items

It is good to see Jagex making such an effort to keep the game fresh. It would be all to easy for them to leave it as it is and hope people would keep on paying.

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heck yeah baby!

Quote: "You really don't know what you're talking about, do you? RS still has PVP, but there are designated parts of the wilderness for them and they're separated into different types now. A lot of the older players don't like it, but it's not at all like PVP is gone."


yeah but the new type of pvp(bounty hunter) if you die you lose everything..atleast in the wildy u kepp ur 3 best items

Quote: "I think you missed the whole point that RS has over 1 million active members paying $5 a month. That's why it's the second most popular mmo, that does not count the free worlds. Do you understand why that's a bit more profitable than making just a few 100 thousand a year?"


there are more popular MMOs

guild wars has over 5 million people who play it just cause people pay monthly for it doesnt mean its the second best...paying monthly for games is lame IMO
guild wars ur buy it once and you can play it...then stop playing with out having to keep playing!

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The next MMO I might start playing is pox nora. I loved tactics, so this looks decent.

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Quote: "yeah but the new type of pvp(bounty hunter) if you die you lose everything..atleast in the wildy u kepp ur 3 best items "

And somehow that means there is no longer pvp? No one was arguing the quality of pvp, though you're right that most people including myself preferred the old wilderness.

Quote: "there are more popular MMOs"

As I said the second most popular. WOW is in the lead by like 9 million or something, but Guild Wars only partially counts as outside the cities it's either single player or just multiplayer, not massive multiplayer. I would say it counts, only IGN did not. Sorry for not mentioning it, as it's seems to be a great game, from my friends who play it.

Quote: "guild wars has over 5 million people who play it just cause people pay monthly for it doesnt mean its the second best...paying monthly for games is lame IMO
guild wars ur buy it once and you can play it...then stop playing with out having to keep playing!"

You have no argument, it seems. Second best? Who defines best? Who even mentioned best? When did I say Guild Wars was the second best? What the heck are you talking about?? I said RS was the second most popular, excluding Guild Wars as I'm not sure to define it as an MMO. It's really more of a mix between a single player rpg, morpg, and mmorpg. If you do include it though, RS is the third most popular. And this is assuming more than 1 million of those 5 million buyers are still active, though I assume that's the case...
That said, Guild Wars is an awesome game and I might be getting it soon. But really, you sound extremely weak dropping your argument and pretending you're right on something no one was arguing about.

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