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SunnyKatt
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Posted: 17th May 2008 14:43
Quote: "Why is it that every MMO has to be fantasy-based? There are half a dozen MMOs that I can think of that involve wizards, warriors, magic, spells, etc., and that has to be *the* most boring genre I can think of.

As far as I know there's only one sci-fi MMO, and the rest are fantasy. Too bad, really. I just can't get into the fantasy genre, and I have tried. It's sad not being able to enjoy RPGs
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I love medieval RPG's, but I agree that most MMO's are medieval rpg's. A GTA one would be cool...

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Posted: 17th May 2008 15:38 Edited at: 17th May 2008 15:42
There's at least four Sci-fi MMOs I can think of, Tabula Rasa, Eve, and I can't remember the name of the last two. Also the people that made Crackdown are working on a GTA/Crackdown style MMO at the moment. Oh, and there's that Myst MMO, that's not traditional fantasy.

Quote: "But Jagex, the company who makes it are java based."

Why does that mean they can't make a download client?

[Edit] To add there is a Stargate MMO on the way, obviously sci-fi, and supposedly a Firefly one as well.

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Posted: 17th May 2008 19:20
Quote: "Why is it that every MMO has to be fantasy-based? There are half a dozen MMOs that I can think of that involve wizards, warriors, magic, spells, etc., and that has to be *the* most boring genre I can think of.

As far as I know there's only one sci-fi MMO, and the rest are fantasy. Too bad, really. I just can't get into the fantasy genre, and I have tried. It's sad not being able to enjoy RPGs "


i love fantasy but RF online has fantasy and futeristic, aka elfs get jet packs, midgets get huge mechs and the robots get huge cannons!

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Posted: 17th May 2008 21:30
Quote: "But Jagex, the company who makes it are java based. This is what Jagex Means"


Oh lol, I always thought it was a weird nickname the guy who thought it up called himself lol kinda like Lord British.

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Posted: 17th May 2008 22:11
Quote: "I love medieval RPG's, but I agree that most MMO's are medieval rpg's. A GTA one would be cool..."


you could call City of Villains a weak attempt on that kind of game, but making a dynamic city online with thousands of players will become quite intensive on the server(s). It will surely cost 15 bucks a month, if not more.
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Posted: 18th May 2008 00:16
I know - I wouldn't play it either. Paying per month is a stupid concept.

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Quote: "I know - I wouldn't play it either. Paying per month is a stupid concept."


think of that from THEIR point of view, if they don't charge you, they will be bankrupt in months, due to server costs. Thus making your 60 bucks game useless... I rather pay a little, so they can keep their servers up and stable so I can play.
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Posted: 18th May 2008 00:22 Edited at: 18th May 2008 00:22
I've payed monthly fees... It's not a stupid concept when you're playing an mmo.

As for regular games, honestly, I'm kind of amazed how games companies can host multiplayer servers seemingly for free for years and years after a game's released. It must cost a fortune


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Silvester
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Posted: 18th May 2008 00:31
Quote: "As for regular games, honestly, I'm kind of amazed how games companies can host multiplayer servers seemingly for free for years and years after a game's released. It must cost a fortune"


Well, Novaworld made a simple solution, their "main" server, is just a MySQL server and a PHP webfront. The servers are hosted by players or dedicated machines, connecting to the MySQL database and then sending data about the server.

I think most do things similar to this.
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Posted: 18th May 2008 00:32
Quote: "Paying per month is a stupid concept."


i have to disagree with you there. MMO's are games that are constantly expanded and being updated all the time with new things such as items and areas/places that are actually part of the core game-play. Say for instance you bought an FPS on a games console, you complete the single campaign and whats left? (besides multiplayer you'll probably get bored of after a while when a better game gets released) It's all about the games lifetime on the market. (and god knows when WoW will end, lol )

you get what you pay for, if your always paying, your getting more.



i would go into a rant about MMO's and WoW in general but i guess i shouldn't

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Quote: "i have to disagree with you there. MMO's are games that are constantly expanded and being updated all the time with new things such as items and areas/places that are actually part of the core game-play. Say for instance you bought an FPS on a games console, you complete the single campaign and whats left? (besides multiplayer you'll probably get bored of after a while when a better game gets released) It's all about the games lifetime on the market. (and god knows when WoW will end, lol )

you get what you pay for, if your always paying, your getting more."


if there is anyone going to argue on that, Please THINK before you post anything
SunnyKatt
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Posted: 18th May 2008 02:29
I know they need to charge montly in most cases. I just hate it.

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Posted: 18th May 2008 03:49
Quote: "and that has to be *the* most boring genre I can think of."


And how can it be boring, I think it is the best. Then again, it is a matter of opinion.

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Posted: 18th May 2008 04:11
Quote: "Paying per month is a stupid concept."


No, having to pay for it in the first place is stupid. Just have the client free and leave the $15 monthly subscription.

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Posted: 18th May 2008 06:41 Edited at: 18th May 2008 06:42
Quote: "i have to disagree with you there. MMO's are games that are constantly expanded and being updated all the time with new things such as items and areas/places that are actually part of the core game-play. Say for instance you bought an FPS on a games console, you complete the single campaign and whats left? (besides multiplayer you'll probably get bored of after a while when a better game gets released) It's all about the games lifetime on the market. (and god knows when WoW will end, lol )"

I don't have any problem with paying monthly. But if what you're saying is the reason for monthly fees. This is what I think someone who would argue your point would say.

"Why not charge us per update opposed to monthly fees? That could make it more costly a month, or cheaper depending on how much they release. I would much rather pay by update then by month given there is rarely multiple updates a month."

Quote: "if there is anyone going to argue on that, Please THINK before you post anything"

I thought about. And I'm sticking to my argument. Though I have no problem paying monthly lol.

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Posted: 18th May 2008 06:58
Quote: "Why not charge us per update opposed to monthly fees? That could make it more costly a month, or cheaper depending on how much they release. I would much rather pay by update then by month given there is rarely multiple updates a month."


I highly doubt you would like that. "Ye, so if you want to continue playing, you need to pay 20 dollars for our awesome IKEA update".

I like the idea of paying for the monthly fee and not having to pay for the client. I think eve online works something like that if I recall.


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Posted: 18th May 2008 07:11
Yep, Eve online works like that. I tried the demo, but alas I have not enough time to play MMO's anymore.

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Posted: 18th May 2008 08:50
Quote: "I highly doubt you would like that. "Ye, so if you want to continue playing, you need to pay 20 dollars for our awesome IKEA update"."

What makes you think they have to charge that much? And you can't continue WoW if you don't install the update. So yeah I would like that.

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Posted: 18th May 2008 10:12
Charging per Update is even more redicilous, since they sometimes just release like 3 patches a week, to fix bugs they created with the other patches...

They will go and abuse that system if they run short on money, I rather pay a Static amount of money per month.
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Posted: 18th May 2008 17:14 Edited at: 18th May 2008 17:15
Quote: "What makes you think they have to charge that much? And you can't continue WoW if you don't install the update. So yeah I would like that."


I'm sure you wouldn't be complaining if you didn't think the update was worth it...


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Posted: 18th May 2008 17:27 Edited at: 18th May 2008 17:29
Quote: ""Why not charge us per update opposed to monthly fees? That could make it more costly a month, or cheaper depending on how much they release. I would much rather pay by update then by month given there is rarely multiple updates a month.""

This doesn't work for the said reasons, and because it doesn't cover the cost of running the servers that host the games. If you want to pay the fees to keep the game running, you'd have to pay on a- why, regular basis!

Edit: and in the case of RS, there are between 3-6 updates per month, usually including 1 or 2 new quests, and some sort of graphical update, among other things.

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Quote: "Edit: and in the case of RS, there are between 3-6 updates per month, usually including 1 or 2 new quests, and some sort of graphical update, among other things.
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true, they keep adding more and more material to the game. Though most people don't notice that, since the client downloads all new data when loading up.

But they have added more then most MMO did this last year.
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Posted: 18th May 2008 20:29 Edited at: 18th May 2008 20:32
Quote: "Why not charge us per update opposed to monthly fees?"


nah, because that would be an unstable source of income due to the time differences between updates and their actual quality. It is also unfair on certain players who will pay more or less often for the period in which they play the game.

Then there is also the chance that some may not even care for the update and find it annoying to have to pay a larger sum to continue onward from that point.

Also they have to think about staff wages monthly, and keeping the server farm running like some have said before me. It's alot simpler this way.

It's not really too much of a pain for the average player but if they don't like the idea there are usually options like in WoW where you are able to pay once every 3 or 5 months at a discount.

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Quote: "It's not really too much of a pain for the average player but if they don't like the idea there are usually options like in WoW where you are able to pay once every 3 or 5 months at a discount."


There's also gift cards/time card you can purchase in a physical store if your parents are afraid of the intarwebs.


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Quote: "Quote: "But Jagex, the company who makes it are java based."
Why does that mean they can't make a download client?"

Cos as far as I know Java is for online things only. Like in a browser.


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bitJericho
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Quote: "Cos as far as I know Java is for online things only. Like in a browser."


That's not all it's for. It's just useful for online stuff.

However, you can use java outside of a browser.


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Posted: 18th May 2008 22:34 Edited at: 18th May 2008 22:36
Quote: "Then there is also the chance that some may not even care for the update and find it annoying to have to pay a larger sum to continue onward from that point."

That is completely false.
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Also they have to think about staff wages monthly, and keeping the server farm running like some have said before me. It's alot simpler this way."

That is irrelevant. They are always going to make patches and for such games as WoW people will ALWAYS pay for the update.

Quote: "It's not really too much of a pain for the average player but if they don't like the idea there are usually options like in WoW where you are able to pay once every 3 or 5 months at a discount."

It's not even a real discount. You save like a dollar.

It's fairly unstable yes, but not really at all. They are always releasing patches.

You have argued no valid points at all yet. I like the idea of paying per update depending on how much they charge.

[edit] Anyways this is not related to runescape at all. I don't want to argue this. I like the idea of paying per update others don't. I find it a per biased opinion.

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I find paying per month understandable as hosting servers and what not can cost a lot, but paying for the base game and/or any add-ons in addition to this fixed monthly payment is outrageous. I can understand if it's optional, so you can get a nice box, manuals and any maps it comes with. But in the case of WoW(though I've never played it) unless I'm mistaken you need to pay for the original game that costs slightly more than the monthly payments(and comes with a month of gameplay) and now they've released an expansion you have to buy that as well to basically be as good as anyone else right? That's a joke IMO, if I was paying monthly for any game and they had anything like this I'd stop playing instantly. Eve online is a good example of how it should be(I used to play this for about a month), they had nice content updated every few months that added quite a bit, and they are completely free, this is how all subscription based games should be IMO. As the devs for WoW for example must be making a killing, how can they charge for updates.. I wouldn't stand for it :/.

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Posted: 18th May 2008 23:00
Like I said earlier

Quote: "I don't have any problem with paying monthly"


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Quote: "Cos as far as I know Java is for online things only. Like in a browser."


Java is a object oriented programming like any other (well more like C# than C++ as it uses a virtual machine), it's not for "online things" only. I think you're thinking of Java Script. It's not the same thing.

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Quote: "I find paying per month understandable as hosting servers and what not can cost a lot, but paying for the base game and/or any add-ons in addition to this fixed monthly payment is outrageous. I can understand if it's optional, so you can get a nice box, manuals and any maps it comes with. But in the case of WoW(though I've never played it) unless I'm mistaken you need to pay for the original game that costs slightly more than the monthly payments(and comes with a month of gameplay) and now they've released an expansion you have to buy that as well to basically be as good as anyone else right? That's a joke IMO, if I was paying monthly for any game and they had anything like this I'd stop playing instantly. Eve online is a good example of how it should be(I used to play this for about a month), they had nice content updated every few months that added quite a bit, and they are completely free, this is how all subscription based games should be IMO. As the devs for WoW for example must be making a killing, how can they charge for updates.. I wouldn't stand for it :/."


WoW's expensions are Optional... They will just stop releasing patches for the non-expansions game though. You can still play without the Burning Crusade. And soon without Wrath of the Lich King.

They charge for optional expansions which you can get from your local store with some extra materials with it(e.g. world maps, guidebooks and with TBC they released a free item with it over here)
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i dont have a problem paying monthly fore an MMO thats good



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Silvester
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Quote: "unless its WoW cause it sucks"


I hear this all the time, Have you even ever played it? And got past level 10? If not, you are not entitled on an opinion... Since only then the game really starts.

I don't like it, but it does not suck at all. It has its good and bad points, like any game. I don't like the GTA series, but I'm not saying GTA IV sucks while I never played it.
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I played wow. I had a character. I forgot what level I got to, but it sucks in my opinion. Its really really repetitive. It kills the enjoyment quickly.

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Quote: "I hear this all the time, Have you even ever played it? And got past level 10? If not, you are not entitled on an opinion... Since only then the game really starts."

The only people that say WoW sucks are the people that don't get past level 10 if have played the game at all. And under level 10 you haven't done a single instance in the game. Also you wouldn't have done the pvp. The instances and pvp is what makes that game.

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Quote: "WoW sucks."

Agreed, it just sucks.

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Well, then so many others do too, Since about every free MMORPG has the same aspects as WoW, repetitive quests, and repetitive PvP.
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Quoting Raven:

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I'm disappointed with XI because they made it an MMORPG that you had to pay monthly for, what a rip."


Brother said the same, but personally I find it seriously worth it.
They charge you in Dollars too, so it ends up being about half the cost you expect it to be.

I mean World of Warcraft is like what £9.99 / month which only allows you to have a single character. Most MMOs are quite expensive and require your full attention to achieve anything.

FFXI however is like £6-7 for the main account + 50p for each additional account. It's a very open and forgiving MMO as well.. Seriously it's one of those things that once you play it, even if you don't like it at first you find yourself thinking 'well maybe another hour'.

It's about the only MMO I've played for more than just the first month. Seriously I've a string of MMO games that I've bought, played like crazy over one or two weekends when I've been free... then they've just started gathering dust as the whole 'new game' experience wears off.

When your paying monthly it's not something you want, so often it's a case of never getting past the free trial for me. It's not a case of not wanting to pay but honestly loosing interest.

Final Fantaxy XI however keeps me commming back. I find myself getting in a sneaky hour or two before work, or before bed. Just something about it that makes it so enjoyable. And it sure as hell ain't the community cause most of the people online barely talk to you. You get some that do, but most just ignore you.

After a while you'll fall in with a bunch of people and reside mostly in your linkshell while doing some menial tasks around the place.

Personally I think Square-Enix and Sony have been stupid not to advertise it and try to capitalise on the fact it's just so damn addictive; like tetris, or snake.[/quote]

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Quote: "single character."

No you can have more in wow.

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Quote: "No you can have more in wow."


I know its quoted by raven years ago.

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Oh, ok, must've been a update.

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Quote: "Well, then so many others do too, Since about every free MMORPG has the same aspects as WoW, repetitive quests, and repetitive PvP."


True, but runescape has decent quests. WOW has the all time worst quests of any MMO. EVER.

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FFXI looks neat, but I never found a Demo or trial so never even cared to look into it... There is NOTHING to be found for a Demo, and I'm not going to pay more then 12 Euro's just to TRY something.
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ive played wow...waste of my 15 bucks

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The problem with WOW is exactly that. I don't care enough to get to level ten.

Why would I want to put in all that effort when all I'm experiencing is bad? And what's all this about level ten? I've been told WOW doesn't get good until 60, by people who activly play it and are extremely addicted.

I really want to try FFXI, but had the same issue where I couldn't find a trial, and I'm not at all willing to buy an mmo if I can't see myself playing it.

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Quote: "Why would I want to put in all that effort when all I'm experiencing is bad? And what's all this about level ten? I've been told WOW doesn't get good until 60, by people who activly play it and are extremely addicted."

Some would say that. Though in a way true, not completely. Level 60 is right about when the instances become difficult and a lot more fun to run.

Level 10 is before you can do anything. You can't do pvp or any instances. If you don't do pvp or instances you aren't playing WoW. I agree, the normal quests are boring and repetitive but it's mainly the pvp that had me hooked.

And whoever said WoW has repetitive PvP was completely wrong. After a year straight ya you might get bored of it. But there are several different PvP battlegrounds. Where if you don't like one, you like will like another one. Though Alterac Valley, the best one, can't be played until 51 (or 50 I forget.)

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Quote: "I really want to try FFXI, but had the same issue where I couldn't find a trial, and I'm not at all willing to buy an mmo if I can't see myself playing it."


Thats really the proplem on new players at FFXI. There is no trial to download.

If you buy the game you get month free but you have to buy the game. Tho the game is really big so making it downloadable would have bad side too.

There is one trial tho but you need to buy some (logitech?) products and if you get FFXI ad with id with those products you can download trial. Thats pretty stupid and still why buy those products when you can buy the game lol.

Maybe giving some free trial discs to x360 would be even better method. For ps2 this would not work because ps2 needs bigger hardware to ffxi work.

Anyways they should adversite the game better.

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Quote: "Thats really the proplem on new players at FFXI. There is no trial to download.

If you buy the game you get month free but you have to buy the game. Tho the game is really big so making it downloadable would have bad side too.

There is one trial tho but you need to buy some (logitech?) products and if you get FFXI ad with id with those products you can download trial. Thats pretty stupid and still why buy those products when you can buy the game lol.

Maybe giving some free trial discs to x360 would be even better method. For ps2 this would not work because ps2 needs bigger hardware to ffxi work.

Anyways they should adversite the game better.
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Well, if they just sold an online version, I MIGHT consider getting it, I don't need the physical package, since my cats will destroy it anyway... AND I don't like waiting for games to arrive, since they do not sell the game over here. They never did...
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Quote: "The problem with WOW is exactly that. I don't care enough to get to level ten.

Why would I want to put in all that effort when all I'm experiencing is bad? And what's all this about level ten? I've been told WOW doesn't get good until 60, by people who activly play it and are extremely addicted.

I really want to try FFXI, but had the same issue where I couldn't find a trial, and I'm not at all willing to buy an mmo if I can't see myself playing it."


true...like guild wars...u get to level 20, very easy to get to then u have loads of fun, wow takes about a year or 2 for most people to get to the highest lvl...

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Well, if they just sold an online version, I MIGHT consider getting it, I don't need the physical package, since my cats will destroy it anyway... AND I don't like waiting for games to arrive, since they do not sell the game over here. They never did... "


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