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Geek Culture / PS3 vs XBox 360 (Elite)

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Libervurto
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Posted: 19th Sep 2007 18:08
There's been a lot of pointless arguing about which is better, often linking to biased reports on both sides.

I've been looking at this review and it seems to me that PS3 wins hands down, but they choose XBox in the end because it has 2 exclusive games (bit of a stupid reason if you ask me).

Please post what you think is good about each console and which one you prefer.
I'm trying to decide which one I should buy.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2007 18:11
Quote: "2 exclusive games"

it has more than that and the price of the ps3 is too high

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Posted: 19th Sep 2007 18:19
I think that Ps3 has better graphics by 1%. The rest is just the same as 360. And lets not forget the crappy controller the ps3 has.
Elite is your best bet. 120gb hard-drive, HDMI cable everything you need! And half of the stuff these reviews are saying are about the core not the premium. And Xbox 360 has over 100 exclusives.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2007 18:21
This will be fun...


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Posted: 19th Sep 2007 18:33 Edited at: 19th Sep 2007 18:37
Yep, I can hear the feet of the fanboys running to their computer now.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2007 18:42
I don't know why I just love starting off arguements in these type of threads.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2007 18:46 Edited at: 19th Sep 2007 18:47
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Well I would personally buy a 360 & wii. The two combined aren't much more than a ps3 and I think you get a good selection of games with that setup. If MGS4 was to lose the ps3 exclusivity(<< is that a word) then I think I would never bother with getting a ps3.
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Posted: 19th Sep 2007 18:53
My Uni recently got a grant, and then spent it, to purchase 8 PS3s and a huge (over 100cm) plasma TV.

When I start honors in February, I can (if I want, don't know what projects I want to do yet) work on cell processing, and see what we can't get out of all 8 PS3s cells networked together

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Posted: 19th Sep 2007 19:25
They got devkits?

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Posted: 19th Sep 2007 19:49
Nope.
They've installed Linux on one, and using some form of Open Source software (not by the creators of the processors apparently, because theirs sucks ), they can then network with all the others. I think that would require them to install the same on all boxes, but I have no idea.
I don't socialize with the freaks... I mean, geeks... that run the IT department here.
Like I said, I don't know if I'll do anything with 'em yet.

Oh, and for whatever reason, our Uni always gets knocked back with asking for proper devkits, Nintendo did the same, but that's expected from them I suppose. Even though our course is actually called "Bachelor of Computer Science (Games Technology)"

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Geez that's going to be fun trying to code for them without the docs! I guess the software they have is a kind of homebrew library...

I wonder if you could make a PSN game, bet it wouldn't be too hard, motion sensing would be fun to play with.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2007 21:09
You know the PS3 Prototype. Remeber that awful looking controller!


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Posted: 19th Sep 2007 21:11
Let's put it like this: all these arguments are useless since it's about the games and the games only. That being said, at thís moment the XBOX, with (upcoming) titles as Bioshock, Alan Wake, Assassins Creed and the like wins from the PS3, the Wii is a good second, the PS3 is third for me at this moment.

Things can change though.


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Posted: 19th Sep 2007 22:10 Edited at: 19th Sep 2007 22:11
I think talking about games is very short sighted. For most of us these consoles will have to last around 5 years therefore I'm not going to buy one based on what games are out or soon coming out.

@cool kid
Maybe I have a dirty mind but I can't help thinking that controller looks more like a double-ended dildo
Who's hands are shaped like that, really? Glad they kept the old design

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I'm also glad they went back to black, it's so much more stylish than that crappy silver colour.

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Well, I have all 3 systems, and right now my favourite is the 360. Mine is dead at the moment, so I'm playing Wii and PS3. The Wii titles are a bit too simple for my tastes so far, and I've been trying to find a good game for the PS3. There's only a few half-decent ones that I've found, but they're really nothing special. Plus, I really miss the rumble.

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I have to go with the 360 on this. Im not a microsoft fanboy I hated the xbox and loved the PS2, but so many set backs put me off the PS3. Plus 360 had so many great games I whent for it and im very happy with it

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I'd like the Xbox 360 Elite because bigger hard disk, cheaper, smaller and it has lots of games for it compared to the PS3 with like...10!

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Posted: 20th Sep 2007 09:50 Edited at: 20th Sep 2007 09:51
Quote: "motion sensing would be fun to play with."


I'm already playing around with it on the DS.
I have an NDSMotion card, which has a 6-axis accelerometer and a gyroscope - 'tis really fun to play a DS game (my own game; Holiday Toss) that you have to actually move the console to play

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I've not been all that impressed with the motion sensor controls.. I mean they're fun, but it feels more limited.

For me while Zelda was fun with the Wii controls, in the end I found myself getting bored after an hour or so of play. Traded it in for the GameCube version.. yeah slightly poorer graphics, but can just sit there having a blast for ages.

It's the same on the PS3, while (i believe) ever game has sixaxis control of some sort; you can turn it off on all of them (except lair aparently). Honestly it is turned of most of the time I play on the PS3.. if I fancy messing about for a bit I'll turn it on. That said not many games have really used it extensively or in any particular useful way that actually enhances the gameplay.

Guess that might actually be the issue with all of this. I mean either you get the Wii stuff where it's far too based on a technology that literally knackers you to play and using a technology that imo just isn't ready yet (or atleast they need longer figuring out how to develop less buggy input code or hardware) so it ends up being nothing more than a passing phase that once in a while you'll enjoy. Certainly as hell couldn't have the Wii as my only console. It'd kill my console gaming spirit tbh

The graphics issue between the 360 and PS3 is fairly moot imo
Both have practically the same graphics hardware; and yeah you can say "oh but the PS3 has more teraflops" thing is that's under specific controlled circumstances and on a fixed pipeline. The RSX is not a GeForce 8800! it's a 7900. While yeah the 360 has last gen tech as well, they had the superscalar shader core in that version.

So performance wise both machines end up being able to do roughly the same. It is the same with CPU performance from my experience.. and yeah I've heard the argument "Carmack said that the Cell is difficult to program and has yet to be unlocked to it's full potencial"; frankly while it is a neat idea, performance wise it is still very close to the 360 Xenon processor; if not a little slower due to memory restrictions.

Also can't say anything nice about the Sony/IBM devkits for it, or how to program for multi-core on the damn thing. In-fact if I never see the code side of the PS3/Cell ever again I'll be able to die happy. That fun I bet will be just more so programming for Linux AND 8 Cell processors (or Broadband Engines.. pfft checkout the new Amiga CPU if you want to see how a real broadband network processor is suppose to be made; beats the Cell by 2x bandwidth with a simple dual 64-bit address bus over the 384-bit Cell has. Perhaps cause it actually manages better than rather than killing the instruction processor to do a task!)

Dunno, in all really. ya'll probably know how much I dislike PS3, partly because of Sony, partly because of my development experience with it that still haunts me, partly because THERE ARE NO FREAKING GAMES. I don't care at this point in an experience that "is living" ... I just want to actually have more choice than the damn release titles.

Oh but I forgot I can always watch the more expensive bluray that doesn't enhance anything enough to be worth the cost over dvd (or that I have many movies, as I prefer gaming) or ya know PS2 games.
So really right now it comes down to the fact that I spent a butt-load of cash to have a system that is a pain in the arse configuration wise to play my PS2 games in lower quality.

About theonly highlight is the recent release of Heavenly Sword, which I still don't have.. but then again after that demo, is there much more to it than graphics that quite frankly didn't make me go "WOW the PS3 REALLY DOES HAVE MORE POWER!", probably because it felt like Shadow of the Colussus but with prettier graphics; and the battle system replaced with a "bash buttons until you make me do something cool because the same combo will never do the same move twice ever! we've just filled this disc with combo moved that randomly string together for kicks!" system

: sighs :

Despite the Xbox 360 having hardware issues, that honestly I've not come across any that weren't my own doing so far; and I think it is users and rumours blown out of proportion (coughgciskiddyconsolerumourcough) reality is.. it's cheaper, and a damn sight easier to just use and play. Bollocks to back compatibility (which actually is quite good now) when the Xbox didn't actually have that many good games to begin with; I'm surprised anyones noticed how bad it is for the 360 given I could've sworn everyone just had Halo/Halo2 for it. It's only muppets like me who actually bought the handful of other decent games.

But then again who cares when within 2 years of release there is a library of 1,000 titles to choose from for the 360. Quite frankly this feels like history repeating if you think of Sony as Nintendo and Microsoft as Sony.. Nintendo are Sega if the DC had actually done well.... i guess lol

still my point is; it's all bollocks. you have the system you like most by now. if not either get with the program and get a console else keep playing your PC games and hush up.

Sony PS3 owners quite trying to pick apart the 360 because Sony screw you. They screwed me too; and frankly I still have the console because of games that will be exclusive.. but if Sony think they'll make money from the games not machine PERHAPS THEY SHOULD RELEASE SOME. Yeah it's fan-freaking-tastic having the most powerful console on the market is nothing show us that it is and makes us feel our HDTV for the bedroom fun hasn't gone to waste.
I mean it's like buying a ferrari to drive around LA in rush hour; why?! it'll just end up as a posing car, you'll never get to actually drive it like you want to.. so what was the damn point?! Cause Elonzo promised to build a race track near LAX? But the time they finish that, the next bigger and better breeds will hit.

And that's exactly how it feels to be a PS3 ower.
The Wii feels too much like.. i dunno, but it certainly isn't long term fun like the GC was.
imo the 360 is the only god damn console that is designed to play games, to write game for; sure it has those extra bobbles but you know what you see at boot? Something that tells you HOW good you are AT GOD DAMN GAMES!

To me that's the point in a games console. Not to be a replacement for Yoga (see Wiis new "expansion controller") and not to do everything on earth bar play games.

Seriously Sony, I don't care if the PS3 can walk my dog, take out the garbage, play DVDs and grill waffles all at the same time if it can't sodding have the one thing that makes it what it is suppose to be a GAMES CONSOLE. If you want to damn well have more multimedia abilities stop pissing about with the Consoles and make it official that you're a god damn PC.

Let's see how well the PS3 does against where Mr. Gates formed his borgist empire. Windows! Yeah PS2 115million sold... whoopdy-freaking-do. Dell sell more PCs than that a year, Windows shifted more than 80million copies this year alone for VISTA alone!

That's why Sony haven't moved from the console market, they know full well they can't compete against Windows and the PC. Despite claiming to be able to.

It's funny to see Microsoft rather than waiting for the game to come to them have started kicking Sonys ass on the territory they stole from Nintendo with Nintys on tech in the first damn place.

Well anyways.
I hope you get to play with the PS3 Cell BEs because you'll probably be able to laugh at what Sony call a "console" on the inside.

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@Raven
You write a lot
I'm so brainwashed by sony I find it hard to believe that PS3 is as bad as you say lol
I've played my friends XBox 360 but never even seen a PS3 (guess that says something), could I rent a PS3?

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*toggle*

If I buy one, I can also use rumble features on the DS. It would be really interesting to see how much the rumble actually effects the motion sensors!

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Ha toggle here too.

Have you got the Slot 2 motion card Jess? Can I just get that and then still use a Slot 1 flash card to run my code?

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Chris, I've got the Slot-1 motion card, but the two are identical.

At any rate, get the one that is opposite to how you boot homebrew. I have a Slot-2 device (SuperCard Mini-SD), so I got the Slot-1.
I believe that regardless of which one you get, as long as the binary loads fully into memory (ie, doesn't use the DLDI interface or need anything extra from the cart), then you can just pull out the card (slot 1 or 2) and replace it with the motion card.
I've not had any complaints from users of R4's, etc, about Holiday Toss

But to answer your question, it doesn't matter if you have the cart in there or not, you can still boot code regardless.

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I dislike all the consoles at the moment, purely because of the extortionate games. Why spend £50 on Oblivion when you can spend £12?


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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People like banding about that "£50" don't they? Does anywhere actually sell for that?

Perhaps your question should be, why spend £18 on Oblivion when you can spend £12?

http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/717782/The-Elder-Scrolls-IV-Oblivion/Product.html

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Quote: "Despite the Xbox 360 having hardware issues"
Those issues may soon be over thanks to the new heatsink. Let's hope so.

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Quote: "People like banding about that "£50" don't they? Does anywhere actually sell for that?

Perhaps your question should be, why spend £18 on Oblivion when you can spend £12?

http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/717782/The-Elder-Scrolls-IV-Oblivion/Product.html
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Yep, I have never bought a game for £50, some people just don't know how to shop (or like to moan )

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360 i would say, you cant beat the live, the price and the controllers. the new black option is lovely :/
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How is it short-sighted to look at the games? I buy a console because of the games, if a platform has good games, it gets sold more, thus becomes more popular amongst developers, thus gets more games. While that does mean more crap, it also means more good games.

The PS3 has gravely disappointed me at launch, and that being said, the XBOX360 seems to finally get along a bit in the terms of games. The Wii is just good fun for friends.

You can always say 'yeah but later on...', well, if later on the PS3 overtakes the XBOX360 in the amount of quality games, I'll just buy a by that time heavily reduced in price PS3. And if that's soon, I can always sell the XBOX, right?

In the end, it's all about the games; not about the hardware that runs it, but how the hardware is used for games.


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Well, the last time I entered a game shop, which admittedly was quite a while ago, it was £50. Please note that the RRP is £50, and that is what many shops will be selling at. Play.com is quite cheap for software.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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I have a Wii and a 360. I cannot fault the 360 one bit. The PS3 graphics are a little bit better, but so what. It's features will never be able to compare that the 360 has. Microsoft wins with Xbox Live alone. But i cannot truly say I prefer the 360 over the PS3 as i have never played on the PS3! I used to have a PS2 and did not like the controller, so i know i probably won't enjoy playing it.

I will however consider buying a PS3 for little big planet. But I'm not sure yet, its just so expensive!

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@Bigg Add: Why? What is the point of buying a expensive console for one game. Ps3 is more graphics they didn't see the term "Gameplay" when they was making it. That is why its the most hardest console to code for.

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I think I gathered the general gist of what you were saying

I dunno, Little Big Planet looks really good. It would be awesome for a foursome. Get some mates over, have a few beers and play on little big planet.

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Quote: " It would be awesome for a foursome"

I do not want to be rude.lol
Quote: "Get some mates over, have a few beers and play on little big planet."

I bet your mates are into them types of games.

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Yeh but if your drunk, there is nothing better. Its like playing Super Smash Bros. (original) or MASH (xbox) when you've had a few drinks. Its awesome stuff.

I used to do a lot of Lan parties on Halo. But as soon as live was created that stopped. There is nothing like grabbing some drinks, sitting down with a million cables strewn all over the place and fragging your mates. Its how weird games arise. Like the game we made called "Hobnob" on Blood Gultch.

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Quote: "if later on the PS3 overtakes the XBOX360 in the amount of quality games, I'll just buy a, by that time, heavily reduced in price PS3."

That's a good point (I added in some commas )

Quote: "I used to have a PS2 and did not like the controller, so i know i probably won't enjoy playing it. "

huh? that's the best controller ever!
Although thinking about the XBox one, I can't remember how it felt which probably means it's good. The PS3 controllers are so light!
I work in Blockbuster but am yet to see a PS3 out of its box
The packaging for XBox is a bit worrying, there's barely any packaging at all!

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Quote: "Like the game we made called "Hobnob" on Blood Gultch."

I'd like you to elaborate...personally.

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Okay nintendo fanboy walking through, please please please do not hurt on the Big N. They make plenty of good games, zelda, metroid, mario,starfox, apes, they are the staple of nintendos hardcore games but hey when you're playing them aren't they still really fun and have a lot of variety?

Anyway...love 360 over ps3..sorry but better games..better features..um..just better.

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@Raven - They have PS3 dev kits where you work? Surprised.

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Quote: "Plus, I really miss the rumble."


Don't fear! They are coming out with new controllers for it =]

@Raven: You've sold me the 360. I hate the fact that some of my favorite titles will be on the PS3 but oh well. I'll beat them over some rich friends house lmao.

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I only have the Wii, considered buying the 360, then decided not to. Really, the Wii has good games, admittedly not hardcore games (Gears of War, Halo, ect). But then, I don't find those games to be as fun or as long lasting as FPS/TPS games (a corner stone of the 360). Sure, Halo is fun, but how many times do I have to shoot someone before I get bored?

Sure, I guess people have a lot of gripes against Zelda, Mario, Metroid, and other classic Nintendo games for various reasons. In the end, I find I'm mostly interested in the stories, and the gameplay is just a bonus; a big bonus.

The PS3 has not lived up to many people's expectations, so in that respect, I don't think it's as good as a 360 or a Wii.

My one problem with the Wii is the constant lack of multiplayer games, or at least good ones. Finally we're getting Brawl, a sequel to basically the only good, long lasting Multiplayer game nintendo has made, imo.

For me, the Wii is perfect; less expensive, easy to pick up and play for a while, and a lot of innovative games. But why didn't I get the 360? Namely, lack of games. Not to say that the 360 has *no* good games, it's merely that the selection isn't to my taste. As I look through the list, the games that stick out are Halo, Gears of War, BioShock, Oblivion, Guitar Hero. Of all of these, the one's I would play the most would be Halo.

My point: Wii > 360 and PS3 because of games. Yes, I know this sounds dumb to many of you. But as I value story lines, gameplay, and softcore gaming in general, it's easy to see why I chose the Wii.

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Am I the only one that doesn't consider Halo and Gears of War hardcore? A hardcore game is something that is rock hard--- in my opinion. Like one of those crazy Japanese shooters.

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I think it's more stuff with a lot of preassumed knowledge or skill, someone who hadn't played games before just wouldn't be able to grasp dual analogue controls (or mouse look) properly.

I remember showing a friend UT and they had to change it to arrow keys for turning.

But the definition has been blurred majorly, I mean, it's not impossible for someone to pick up and play Gears in the same way it is impossible for them to pick up and play a Bullet Hell shooter, where you have literally 1/2 seconds before the screen is filled with enemy fire.

It's come to mean "not casual" though hasn't it.

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Quote: "Like one of those crazy Japanese shooters.
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those are sick, I love those so much. gunstar heroes comes to mind as well.

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Best shooter like that is Progear, it's all Steampunky the art is beautiful.

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I remember a gc game named Ikuraga I think, that had its fair share of challenge.

Deathead
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Posted: 21st Sep 2007 19:37
Quote: "Don't fear! They are coming out with new controllers for it =]"

Which will probably cost you £50 more just for a rumble controller.

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Posted: 21st Sep 2007 19:52
Quote: "Ikuraga"

Ikaruga. That was quite sick. I like Rayhound quite well too, but that has a weird twist to it, actually. And to keep us close to home, Echoes and Mono were quite overwhelming as well.

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Posted: 21st Sep 2007 19:52
Quote: "The PS3 has not lived up to many people's expectations, so in that respect, I don't think it's as good as a 360 or a Wii. "


That's ridiculous. People can have the most extravagant expectations. And what's worse is its self-perpetuated (like your opinion). Everyone was expecting the PS3 to cure cancer (pun intended), and no one was expecting the Wii to be successful. All you basically did was set the bar for each console at an unfair advantage and claim one was better because it met different standards... Makes absolutely no sense.

Quote: "Am I the only one that doesn't consider Halo and Gears of War hardcore? A hardcore game is something that is rock hard--- in my opinion. Like one of those crazy Japanese shooters."


I don't think Halo is hardcore. Gears I don't know yet. Still haven't had a chance to play it.

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