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Black Rebel Heart
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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 01:10 Edited at: 20th Apr 2009 01:58
I don't "acquire" games often.

Wait, that's a good thing right!!!

Worst.
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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 02:05
Quote: "and so are full of illegal content."


LOL. That was TBP's biggest defense. They don't have any illegal content. All the illegal content is stored on private systems. TBP only links to it.

All the arguing here now is just semantics. It's almost down to the last pick and choose little words that we can find. The two (or more) sides will have a hard time meeting in the middle, because the issue is just not clearly defined.

Best.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 03:16 Edited at: 20th Apr 2009 03:19
Quote: "The illegal intent can only be read in from its name - and since when do we judge things legally based upon names?"


Not just their name. Have you been to their site? These are some of the categories: Games: PC, Mac, PS2, XBOX360, Wii, Handheld, Other

Don't be dense. Even a monkey can realize the site's intent is not just simply to index torrents.

@All - Regarding Google. If they were asked to remove the site, and it's still up, then that is wrong. That being said, this is about TPB, not Google. If you're on trial for a crime, your best defense isn't to name a bunch of other people in the world who committed the same crime and were let go. I laugh when I see people here naming other companies, as if that even matters. No, those are all separate cases, and would have to be looked at separately. If Google are in fact doing something illegal, then they should be stopped all the same. Who are we to say if they are or not? The court has already ruled against TPB, which means they have committed an illegal act. Period. Let them charge the Google owners if they are committing an illegal act.

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Read their About page:

Quote: "Do not contact us if there is anything you find offensive, instead focus on the material that you find positive. The Pirate Bay only removes torrents if the name isn't in accordance with the content. "


They purposely make a point of not removing offensive content.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 05:42
That last quote pretty much says it all, Jeku.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 06:47
Xplosys: i agree with David R =P becuz, TPB IS meant for Torrents, and since when did torrents get illegal? look at http://demonoid.com they have torrents, it is meant for legal ones, but still, torrents and more than half the site consists of illegal matters - they dont care, should they get sued to? and where did u learn TPB was meant for illegal stuff? =P Source plz


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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 09:22
@Quik - Read thread again.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 09:51
Same argument has been brought up a lot in the thread Quik, read it.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 13:31
Quote: "name a bunch of other people in the world who committed the same crime and were let go"


I thought precedents held up pretty strongly in most legal systems?
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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 14:08
Quote: "Not just their name. Have you been to their site? These are some of the categories: Games: PC, Mac, PS2, XBOX360, Wii, Handheld, Other"


So IGN is screwed too then?


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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 16:08
Quote: "and where did u learn TPB was meant for illegal stuff? =P Source plz"


If it wasn't, they wouldn't need to host in safe jurisdictions.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 16:34
Sorry guys, Pirate Bays chief purpose is piracy. This is found in the type of torrents listed, their refusal to co-operate with piracy claims, the notices they have put on their website including their self proclaimed mission aims, etc...

There isn't really any denying it. And it goes beyond the name, they have made it clear on many occasions they support downloading of copyrighted material.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 17:58
Quote: "So IGN is screwed too then?"


Oh I see what you're doing here. You no longer wish to be in this conversation?

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 18:54 Edited at: 20th Apr 2009 18:54
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Oh I see what you're doing here. You no longer wish to be in this conversation?
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Excuse me? You're declaring the illegality of TPB as some kind of fact, due to semantic issues surrounding its name and the layout of its site. Smart move.

Here's another one: I want to pirate World of Goo. I search on google for World of Goo. Not only do I get World of Goo torrents as a result, but clearly Google is designed to pirate World of Goo: Google. Clearly, even a monkey can realize the site's intent is not just simply to index websites.


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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 18:57
Not it appears both sides are reaching... Well, regarding the case, let's hope that the good guy wins, the bad guy loses, and justice is even and fair.... whichever side that is.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 19:05 Edited at: 20th Apr 2009 19:07
At the end of the day, these pirate sites only set it up for one thing. To share other peoples hard work.

I'm actively producing a Tutorial DVD for DarkBASIC Professional. Frankly if the thing isn't pirated within a week or shoved up on forums. I'll think I'm doing well. This will of course cut deeply into any profit I might have made.

Not all software is produced by massive companies with limitless funding. You go onto these sites and will be able to find many small companies software up there as well.

As a community of game, and software developers. I think we can all acknowledge that development is hard work. To get software right, it takes a fair amount of time. We should have the right to price our software as we see fit, without someone passing it around for free.

The fact is piracy, doesn't just hit big companies. It destroys small business as well.
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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 19:15 Edited at: 20th Apr 2009 19:22
Quote: "Excuse me? You're declaring the illegality of TPB as some kind of fact, due to semantic issues surrounding its name and the layout of its site. Smart move"


Genius, read their About page. Last time I checked you can't download illegal torrents on IGN. Discussing this with you is not even worth the energy exerted by my fingers when you make those kinds of comparisons. When you have a real argument you and I can resume this discussion.

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Quote: "The fact is piracy, doesn't just hit big companies. It destroys small business as well."


Don't forget when you have people like David R who want to defend the rights of those who knowingly give people access to your software, it really makes you think twice about starting a big project in the first place. At least the judges are sane enough not to give credence to straw man arguments

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 19:27
Quote: "Discussing this with you is not even worth the energy exerted by my fingers when you make those kinds of comparisons."


But they are the exact same arguments you are making. You've become too hung up on the name and vague semantics that you've completely passed over the concept of actual logical evidence.

* Torrents aren't illegal

* A site with a no-takedown policy is not automatically illegal

* A site with the word Pirate in the name is not automatically illegal

* Sites which categorise material are not automatically illegal

Assuming the above, where's the evidence for your "ITZ SO OBVIOUSS!!111" stance?

(And it is obviously not a clear-cut situation, otherwise the court would have taken down the actual site as well as convicting its controllers)


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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 19:33
Quote: "A site with a no-takedown policy is not automatically illegal"


Apparently that's where you're mistaken.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 19:37 Edited at: 20th Apr 2009 19:37
Quote: "Apparently that's where you're mistaken."


Apparently that's where you're mistaken, because a counter-notice can be filed. Most ISPs and organisations take down first and allow the filing of a counter notice later, but that is not a legal requirement.

(And if the counter-notice is rejected, a lawsuit can be initiated)


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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 20:22
Even if there is no systematic method of distinguishing between the legality of The Pirate Bay and Google, courts, like the police, can use their own discretion, and favor one over the other on the basis that its "not as bad."

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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 00:25
Have you ever read anything PirateBay has published? Have you ever looked at their description on Google for god's sake?

Quote: "Download music, movies, games, software and much more. The Pirate Bay is the world's largest bittorrent tracker."


There is NO WAY anybody can seriously, in any decent frame of mind, try and argue that the purpose of PirateBay ISN'T for pirating things illegally.

And people STOP comparing it to Google. Its all about intent. Google is not designed chiefly for piracy, PirateBay is.

David R, I hope people pirate that game your working on - then see if you still feel like defending PirateBay.

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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 00:31
Just a quick quote from one of the creators of PirateBay for you to chew over...

Quote: "We're also into educating people about the consequences of piracy. We're teaching them how to do it."


Yeah, they REALLY don't encourage piracy...

I need a bed to sleep in and food on my table to eat. I guess theft is OK as long as nobody steals the work that I do.

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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 00:41
Quote: "They purposely make a point of not removing offensive content."


Google (which owns many other websites) doesn't remove videos for profanity, so what's the big deal? TPB doesn't violate any laws such as pedo porn or anything of the sort.

You are just randomly looking for things to complain about.

Quote: "There is NO WAY anybody can seriously, in any decent frame of mind, try and argue that the purpose of PirateBay ISN'T for pirating things illegally."

I honestly don't care what the "purpose" of TPB is or isn't. That isn't relevant at all. If it was, it wouldn't be TPB they are going after, it would be Me, and all of us.





Quote: "Don't forget when you have people like David R who want to defend the rights of those who knowingly give people access to your software, it really makes you think twice about starting a big project in the first place. "

Why shouldn't it? Should they be allowed to sell me a half-***ed product?
Don't even bother replying, you're so predictable that you don't have to waste your breath. I totally get that you won't listen to a word I say. I can only hope that someday you will truly understand suffering as the rest of us do.

I really think it all comes down to simple empathy. Some people have it, some people don't. When I get sick of being stolen from, I steal from thieves and the undeserving.


Looking at it all from a distance, I would say you are quite foolish, you europeans who are acting like pompous little brats. Your land is in chaos, this will only make it worse, and though you might get your way, nothing will be better because of it, and the real enemy, of which you and I are both perfectly aware of, goes unchecked.


So, congratulations, you "won".

Unfortunately you are no better at squashing populism than Emperor Nero was.



See you in the streets, tough guy.





LONG LIVE TPB
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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 00:44 Edited at: 21st Apr 2009 00:46
Actually, David R brings up a good point, about the categorized sections, there are many things to do with a console such as the 360 which aren't actually the proper games, like videos of "SentUAmessage" or Trailers etc.

But PirateBay, is quite still very illegal in some aspects, as there are some full newly released games, heck even Bethesda Softworks had a pirate copy of Fallout 3 going all over the place, and no doubt it was on PirateBay.

Also having a go at David R for protecting PirateBay is stupid, as everyone are entitled to their own oppinion, he thinks that because it has game consoles categorized on their site doesn't mean its a piracy website then that is his oppinion. It is what makes us, not having different oppinions would be, to be quite frank, the most boring life ever.



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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 01:39 Edited at: 21st Apr 2009 01:42
0n1n3,

Quote: "I honestly don't care what the "purpose" of TPB is or isn't. That isn't relevant at all."


It is actually higly relevant in deciding whether or not TPB is at fault and can be legally prosecuted.

Quote: "I really think it all comes down to simple empathy. Some people have it, some people don't. When I get sick of being stolen from, I steal from thieves and the undeserving.
Looking at it all from a distance, I would say you are quite foolish, you europeans who are acting like pompous little brats. Your land is in chaos, this will only make it worse, and though you might get your way, nothing will be better because of it, and the real enemy, of which you and I are both perfectly aware of, goes unchecked.

So, congratulations, you "won"."


I don't need to say anything about this because I'm sure other people will.

Quote: "I can only hope that someday you will truly understand suffering as the rest of us do."


I have no idea how hard it must be for you: I'm SO sorry you have to pay for things sometimes.

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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 01:43
Quote: "I don't need to say anything about this because I'm sure other people will."


Ditto.

Quote: "See you in the streets, tough guy."


I certainly hope you aren't personally threatening me.

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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 01:53
Quote: "Why shouldn't it? Should they be allowed to sell me a half-***ed product?"


Of course they should be able to. You just shouldn't buy it, plain and simple. If they sell a crappy product no one buys, they either close up shop or improve their product so people buy it.

Oh, and btw, not all of us are european that think it's a good thing TBP has been shut down.

Quote: ""But none of us should want a world where even our leaders--much less the rest of us--can't figure out how copyright law operates in their daily lives.""


Airslide posted this and i like it too. We really need a cutting edge leader to help bring copyright laws up to date for the modern age.
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Quote: "Why shouldn't it? Should they be allowed to sell me a half-***ed product?
Don't even bother replying, you're so predictable that you don't have to waste your breath."


Allow me then. Your words imply that you are being forced to buy a shoddy product, when in reality you can simply both not buy and not play the game.

Quote: "I really think it all comes down to simple empathy. Some people have it, some people don't."


Apparently. I have empathy for the people who to make a product only to have it appear on some bootleg site.

Quote: "When I get sick of being stolen from, I steal from thieves and the undeserving."


Guy, you're not getting back an anybody by stealing their games. You're not being stolen from, you're not fighting for a cause; you're just a guy who doesn't want to pay for things.

Gah looks like they're making another BioShock, greedy bastards! Where's my credit card.

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Well said IonStream.

David R, please accept my apologies for the above remarks. I just meant to get you thinking about my point of view with them but as Deathead pointed out, I think I went too far.

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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 02:45 Edited at: 21st Apr 2009 02:48
I especially like this quote from their About page:

Quote: "Only torrent files are saved at the server. That means no copyrighted and/or illegal material are stored by us. It is therefore not possible to hold the people behind The Pirate Bay responsible for the material that is being spread using the tracker. Any complaints from copyright and/or lobby organizations will be ridiculed and published at the site."


Funny how being a jerk can sometimes bite you in the butt.

You might equate it to a saying we have in the South, which is usually said by a drunken redneck just before he seriously screw up his life... "Hey ya'll, watch this!"

Best.

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Quote: "Guy, you're not getting back an anybody by stealing their games. You're not being stolen from, you're not fighting for a cause; you're just a guy who doesn't want to pay for things."


No, you're right, you're absolutely right. I don't want to pay for certain things like... Suikoden 4 for example.

But I'll let you in on some insider information. You want to know what games I did pay for and enjoy?

half life 2, I still play that to this day.
Tribes 2, gameplay unrivaled to anything else ever, including it's own sequals
UT2k4, I bought this game 4 times, finally on steam, which is another great platform btw.

etc, etc.
The point is that there are right and wrong ways about doing things. You can sit there and whine until the cows come home but it won't make a bit of difference. You have to learn that there are consequences for your actions, and when you have companies like EA that buy out entire companies just for pocket value, don't come looking at me about how I choose to spend my money.

I'm not stupid, ok? No offense, but I get the feeling that you think we are stupid because you are a developer or a programmar and I am use a user or a client.

Empathy, sir. Empathy.
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I'd love to edit my post, but I can't and I have 1 more point to add; I am totally willing to accept the fact that I am speaking of compromise; something the pirate bay does not believe in or agree with me on. I admit that fact and so do they.
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Quote: "See you in the streets, tough guy."


Way to ruin a fairly civilised debate with a stupid, childish remark.

Quote: "I would say you are quite foolish, you europeans who are acting like pompous little brats."


The owner of TPB is European.

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Quote: "Looking at it all from a distance, I would say you are quite foolish, you europeans who are acting like pompous little brats. Your land is in chaos, this will only make it worse, and though you might get your way, nothing will be better because of it, and the real enemy, of which you and I are both perfectly aware of, goes unchecked."


Did you just say Europe is a land ?

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[edited out, no longer fits in with conversation]

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Just heard on the radio this morning that "the lawsuit has had great effect since (apparently) file-sharing sites are going down one after another". I didn't really think that would happen.

Quote: "I don't need to say anything about this because I'm sure other people will."

And yet, hardly anybody have.

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Quote: "Just heard on the radio this morning that "the lawsuit has had great effect since (apparently) file-sharing sites are going down one after another". I didn't really think that would happen."


well..piratebay.org still seems to be up

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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 13:11
Quote: "I don't need to say anything about this because I'm sure other people will."

Quote: "And yet, hardly anybody have."

I could write a reply, but there's a law against feeding the trolls here.

Quote: "Just heard on the radio this morning that "the lawsuit has had great effect since (apparently) file-sharing sites are going down one after another". I didn't really think that would happen."

And I don't really think it does.

There's little point of arguing over this. Everyone is so firm on their perspective, rationale their opinion trough semantics and bunnies while the rest pick on straw-man and bad apples. All the while nothing really changes, business as usual. I don't care one way or another. Personally, I'd feel honored if people torrented my game, but then again, I don't use my creativity for economic reasons, which carries a certain factor of my opinion.

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Quote: "but there's a law against feeding the trolls here."

Oh you actually read the sign? Finally! It's just been hanging there for several years now without anyone reading it.

I really do think that this has gotten out of hand, everyone has their own view on piracy and whether or not it's fair to jail those people. And besides, they haven't been put in jail yet.


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As David R points out, torrents aren't illegal and what they're doing isn't that much different from what Google or other search engines do. TPB has been and continues to be listed on Google and I assume searching for "__product name here__ torrent" will often give you links to TPB so Google clearly don't care. Their name being called The Pirate Bay doesn't mean anything, after all, The Game Creators don't make any games despite the name.

Clearly this is a case of their no-removals policy biting them in the arse, and due to torrents not being illegal they can't just remove them without changing this policy(change the law if it's so bad?). Plus, they've obviously attracted their multi-million user base due to the popularity of this policy and changing this would likely turn a lot of people away, and remember, doing that as a webmaster is a bad idea.

Thus it could have gone down something like this: They attempted to buy TheLegalBay.com(to host torrents linking to 100% legal content), but due to the .com boom they were left with a small pool of good names to choose from, not including this. Later the creators of it saw the film Pirates Of The Caribbean and suddenly it hit them like a brick, The[B]Pirate[/B]Bay.com/org. Due to them not being too savvy in legal matters and not wanting to steal another site's 'About' section they made it nice and simple and to the point. After the many years of success they decide to keep the once accidental pirate theme after all, they were just at the right place at the right time and here we are today.

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Providing a torrent and a tracker is probably the reason they were broken down so much...That's like giving someone keys to the vault and driving them to the bank...

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Sorry for replying to a post on the previous page.
Quote: "Google (which owns many other websites) doesn't remove videos for profanity, so what's the big deal?"

Yes, they do actually. At least, you tube does, and that's Google. Also there is no law against profanity as long as proper warnings/restrictions are given, but there is a law against pirating.

Quote: "TPB doesn't violate any laws such as pedo porn or anything of the sort."

But they take a part in pirating ...? So what if they don't do 'pedo porn'? You don't have to break every law in the world to be a criminal, just one.

Quote: "You are just randomly looking for things to complain about"

Like the police who keep you safe are just looking to complain about murderers. Who keeps the companies who produce software safe? People who complain and get things changed.

Quote: "I honestly don't care what the "purpose" of TPB is or isn't. That isn't relevant at all. If it was, it wouldn't be TPB they are going after, it would be Me, and all of us."

It's illegal to sell cigarettes to a child. Sure, they might not want to smoke them, but the PURPOSE is to smoke them so you can't sell them to kids. It's the same here. You might not WANT to pirate anything, but that's what the pirate bay is specifically for.

Quote: "Why shouldn't it? Should they be allowed to sell me a half-***ed product?"

Of course they should. You don't have to buy it. It's not like it's affecting you in any way.

Quote: "Don't even bother replying, you're so predictable that you don't have to waste your breath."

I kind of agree that Jeku's been a little insulting, but let's try to keep things mature here for goodness sake. Insults =/= an debate.

Quote: "I totally get that you won't listen to a word I say."

So far almost every word that's been said in this thread has been in reply to something someone's said.

Quote: "I can only hope that someday you will truly understand suffering as the rest of us do."

I'm so sympathetic. You have to PAY? For PRODUCTS? Jesus Christ, that must be awful!


Quote: "I really think it all comes down to simple empathy. Some people have it, some people don't. When I get sick of being stolen from, I steal from thieves and the undeserving."

So the companies who make the music/games/whatever are now thieves? Explain this logic. That makes no sense.

Quote: "you europeans who are acting like pompous little brats."

Racist prick. Ban this guy someone, for racism.

Quote: "Your land is in chaos, this will only make it worse,"

I could make a statement about how the recession wasn't OUR fault etc etc but I won't.

Quote: "and the real enemy, of which you and I are both perfectly aware of, goes unchecked.
"

Who's the 'real enemy'? Because pirates are my enemy at the moment.
Let me explain:
A) Good games are made, I am happy -> Good games are pirated -> Good games company goes bust -> I (And other people) have lost out.
B) Bad games are made, I don't take any notice -> Pirates pirate bad games -> Bad game company goes bust -> I still don't care

So in the long run, we lose out.

Quote: "See you in the streets, tough guy."

Who was claiming to be tough? I thought we were debating about the law, not who could hold their own in a fight.

Thank you

djmaster
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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 20:53 Edited at: 21st Apr 2009 20:53
they already announced that theyre making a new system of torrent sharing so no stupid law can detect it.big firms buy 3dsmax for 3k,about 100 of those and they have loads of money,then they say they have loss,yeah right

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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 21:04
djmaster> 100 * $3,000 is only $300,000. See how long your company runs on $300,000.

Hint: Not long.

It's basic business guys, you steal software from the *evil big companies* and soon you won't have their software anymore. If I was a baker and I only sold one out of every ten loaves of bread I made, it ends in only one outcome: I stop baking bread.

Same thing with the software companies.

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Quote: "Their name being called The Pirate Bay doesn't mean anything, after all, The Game Creators don't make any games despite the name."


But on the other hand, while The Game Creators don't make games themselves, they do make the tools that people use to make games, so names can have some relevance. A better example of a name not having anything to do with their products would be Creative who make speakers, mp3 players, etc. which don't exactly relate to the name directly. Calling a company out just on their name is ridiculous of course, but the TBP isn't being tried in court because of their name, it's because of what they're doing.

From the discussion, it seems opinions will stay opinions for now. Me, I'm always going to be against pirates and those who help provide services that make it easier to do so. What right minded ninja wouldn't be against pirates?
Robert F
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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 23:33 Edited at: 21st Apr 2009 23:42
I don't agree with this at all. From what I understand is that you are not allowed to host a torrent.... but what if it was a private torrent for nobody but yourself. LEGALLY you are allowed to make backups of games for yourself. If a torrent was a way to do it without keeping a spare file on your hd then so be it. Thats not really illegal. It is different when you are hosting public torrents I guess though because other people can download them and that is illegal.

Quote: "If I was a baker and I only sold one out of every ten loaves of bread I made, it ends in only one outcome: I stop baking bread.
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Except that's not really what happens. Well it does and it doesn't. Mostly it doesn't. You have to look at it this way. Pirates are Pirates. They are not going to buy the game even if it was $10 instead of $50(except maybe 1/100). That is just how they are. So really its not costing you anything. How? because the normal non-pirates are going to buy your game because they don't pirate. So really you wouldn't be selling 1/10 loaves of bread you would be selling how much the non-pirates buy. Then the one pirate that would go out and buy it would make illegal clones of your bread and give it away. In the end you wouldn't be really losing any money. Even if you did it would be little to none.


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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 23:41
This is almost funny....

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RobertF> Yes, perhaps that's how it happens now, but piracy becomes more and more rampant as places like The Pirate Bay make it easier and more accessible for the average user to get free software. Even people who at one point may have paid for their software may start downloading it for free due to the ease of obtaining it.

So perhaps they're not losing sales YET to pirating websites, but it's only a matter of time. Consider this a preemptive strike.

Robert F
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Posted: 22nd Apr 2009 00:00
Quote: "RobertF> Yes, perhaps that's how it happens now, but piracy becomes more and more rampant as places like The Pirate Bay make it easier and more accessible for the average user to get free software. Even people who at one point may have paid for their software may start downloading it for free due to the ease of obtaining it.

So perhaps they're not losing sales YET to pirating websites, but it's only a matter of time. Consider this a preemptive strike."


Yes but to try to stop it is stupid. Why punish the website owners? The Site is still up and people can still download stuff anytime they want. Its not up to the site owners if user1 downloads stuff from user2. Its their own decision.

Plus EVERYTHING is going to happen in a matter of time. Im not with crime... but it IS UNSTOPPABLE. Thats why I dont see the point in trying to fight against something so small and stupid. They worry about stuff like this when they could be stopping murderers.


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Quote: "I don't agree with this at all. From what I understand is that you are not allowed to host a torrent.... but what if it was a private torrent for nobody but yourself. LEGALLY you are allowed to make backups of games for yourself. If a torrent was a way to do it without keeping a spare file on your hd then so be it. Thats not really illegal. It is different when you are hosting public torrents I guess though because other people can download them and that is illegal.
"


Might be an ignorant statement, but how would that work? As far as I know, there must be people seeding it, so at last one computer must do that... how would it work if it is private?

I am not trying to put you down, just curious, lol.

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