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The Slayer
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Posted: 3rd Jan 2010 16:54
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Quote: "Overall, I think the drums are a little over the top, but not by too much."


Hi, Herakles, thanx for listening and for your comments. Yeah, those drums need a bit of adjustement, and maybe give them a more realistic sound.

Quote: "The guitars sound a little weak on the low end, but the riffs are very well written."


Glad that you liked those riffs. Not bad for someone who did'nt had any guitarlessons, hey? Yeah, they need a bit more bass and punch.

Quote: "I've never been a big fan of completely computer generated sound effects"


Only the last song has computer sound effects (keyboard). The first one is completely without effects. The drums are samples from a real drum, and the bass guitar i did with my normal guitar, but added alot of punch and a bit of distortion to it, to make it sound low and heavy. Maybe the songs sound a bit to mechanical, but as i said, they need more adjustement, like the drumbeats that are not finished.

Quote: "Now I feel inspired to go record something!"


Well, that's the spirit!
I'll be glad to listen to one of your recordings some day?
Thanx again for your comments, and hope to hear your stuff real soon...

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Posted: 3rd Jan 2010 17:08
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Quote: "And there is some metal I would classify as crap"


Yeah, but you can't compare Slayer to that crap, hey? I am just saying that Slayer are on of the best in their genre, and alot of metalbands where inspired by them. So saying that Slayer is crap, is just like saying that al those other bands who followed their style of metal are crap to.

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Posted: 3rd Jan 2010 18:34 Edited at: 3rd Jan 2010 18:34
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Quote: "And crap is possibly the wrong word - it would be better just to say you didn\'t like it, but to say that if someone says anything bad about any metal band they don\'t like metal at all and are not equal to you in your supreme appreciation and knowledge of all things metal is a bit harsh"


I did'nt mean to sound harsh or supreme or better. My point was just that there are talented metalbands, and metalbands that screw metal up. To me well played metal by talented bands is never crap. As long as metal is not f**ked up, it sounds good. You can for example have 4 talented musicians and a singer that sings like s**t and ruins the song. Well, that would be crap.

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Posted: 3rd Jan 2010 20:12
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Quote: "I've never been a big fan of completely computer generated sound effects"

I think that the keyboards could be toned down to focus on the guitar and drums, but keep them. They add a different touch to the music, it sounds nice.

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Posted: 3rd Jan 2010 21:23
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Quote: "They add a different touch to the music, it sounds nice."


Thanx for the advice, budokaiman. I will keep the keyboards, and do a little tweaking on them. And also on the drums.

Say, do you play any musical instrument?

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Posted: 3rd Jan 2010 21:59
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I play the guitar, and occasionally the drums.

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Posted: 4th Jan 2010 00:04
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Quote: "Hi, Herakles, thanx for listening and for your comments. Yeah, those drums need a bit of adjustement, and maybe give them a more realistic sound."


They sound realistic enough, it's just that there are way too many actual drumbeats. The drums are going way too fast for the guitar.

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Posted: 4th Jan 2010 02:17
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Avenged Sevenfold anyone?

Sorry to say the drummer, Jimmy Sullivan passed away on the 28th god rest his soul, i wanted to see them live sometime too.
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I listen to a lot of Rock/Metal, but I want to start listening to more Great White/George Thorogood style blues. Does anyone have any reccomendations?

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Posted: 4th Jan 2010 18:10
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Quote: "Sorry to say the drummer, Jimmy Sullivan passed away on the 28th"


He's died?! That's a shame, he was a good drummer from what I saw of him.
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Yeah. Natural causes. He has quite an amazing drummer, its such a shame.

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Posted: 6th Jan 2010 15:31
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I came up with a list for "awards" for the albums that came out in 2009. Here it is:

Tell me what you guys think should go in those spots, later I'll post what I think.

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Posted: 6th Jan 2010 21:23
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Hm budokaiman, i see that you like Dream Theater and Queensrÿche and also Megadeth. Great bands, don't you think? I've heard that Megadeth are back from the dead?

Say, are you still playing drums? Are'nt your neighbours complaining when you're playing? And what kind of guitar do you have?

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@ The Slayer:
Queensrÿche are my main influence in music, not my all-time favorite band, but definitely my influence. The new Megadeth album is great, and without a doubt, like their older music. It earned being the album of the year for me.
I play a B.C. Rich Warlock, with GHS boomers at the moment, and I use dunlop 3.0mm jazz picks, I use the stock 25 watt, 60 HZ amp and a Digitech RP350 modeling processor.

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Posted: 6th Jan 2010 23:55
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Nice piece of equipment you have there, man! That would fit really good in my arsenal!
I like your style! How much did it cost (if i may ask)? B.C.Rich-guitars are one off my favorites.
Do you prefer the old Queensrÿche, or their newer stuff?

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Posted: 7th Jan 2010 04:31
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Awesome looking guitar!

I have to agree about Endgame. I haven't heard much music from 2009, because I've been saving my money for a new PC. But, from the few albums I have bought recently, Endgame is certainly the best. I would say that it is Megadeth's return to form (their previous album, United Abominations, was that), but it's certainly a great leap in terms of quality. They really are getting closer and closer to the level of their older stuff. I still wouldn't quite put it up there with Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good, Peace Sells... But Who's Buying, or any of their other classic stuff. But Endgame is certainly just as good as, if not better than, Countdown to Extinction.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2010 15:24
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@ The Slayer:
I have no clue what it cost. It was a gift. I probably prefer their (Queensrÿche's) older stuff, but I am one of the few people, that actually enjoys "Hear in the Now Frontier", "Promised Land" and their other new stuff.

@Herakles:
I completely agree. What kind of PC are you saving for?

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Posted: 12th Jan 2010 00:22 Edited at: 12th Jan 2010 00:32
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I just finished reading "Save me from Myself" by Brian Welch. It was really inspiring, and I would highly recommend for anyone who enjoys autobiographies, or wants to see how hard it is to be famous.

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Anyone a fan of Guns N' Roses? I am obsessed with them. I have read the biographies, Slash's in particular, I have the albums, including Chinese Democracy.

I play guitar and drums pretty well, and I used to write music with guitar pro.

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Quote: "Anyone a fan of Guns N' Roses"

Not too much, Appetite for Destruction is great, so is GNR Lies. Everything after that I don't find too great.

How was Slash's autobiography? Was it worth reading?

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About Guns n' Roses... well... I've never liked transvestite music, sorry.

Quote: "What kind of PC are you saving for?"


I'm going to build it myself.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2010 20:48
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Quote: "Not too much, Appetite for Destruction is great, so is GNR Lies. Everything after that I don't find too great.

How was Slash's autobiography? Was it worth reading?"


Well, Live Era is a great album, live versions are always better then studio versions.

And Slash's Autobiography is great. It has some really interesting facts in there. But Slash is not the greatest writer, he says "...But we will get to that later..." every 5 pages. Then he doesn't get to it. But other then that it is a great read.

Quote: "About Guns n' Roses... well... I've never liked transvestite music, sorry."



I don't really understand this comment. They wrote music the way they wanted too, and guess what? They ended up the most popular band on the planet for about 5 years.


Interesting fact:
I am a rock fan and musician. I got into rock music through guitar hero :p. Strange but true.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2010 01:06
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Quote: "live versions are always better then studio versions."


What are you talking about? Live versions are just the studio versions, except that there's an annoying audience and the band is drunk.

Quote: "I don't really understand this comment."


Never mind. I was just making a joke about their attire.

But no, I don't like Guns n' Roses. They're not heavy enough for me, and I can't stand the singer.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2010 01:09
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Riffs were fantastic and whilst the lyrics were pretty good I felt they weren't fitted into the songs that well. The timing just doesn't appear to my ears at all. I also thought the drums sounded a bit sterile. All-over a great album though.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2010 01:28
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Depends on who it is your listening to.
Bands like AC\DC are great on the album, and they sound exactly the same live. It suits them.

Queen and Guns N' Roses play riffs, solos and sometimes the whole song differently.

I just prefer live albums, you can almost feel the energy that people talk about after being to a good rock concert.

Quote: "I can't stand the singer."

I like his voice. And don't believe everything Slash says about him.


On another band, who like Skid Row? Sebastian Bach is awesome.

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Quote: "I like his voice."


I can't stand his voice, but whatever.

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Quote: "On another band, who like Skid Row? Sebastian Bach is awesome."

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't wait for his new album sometime this year, Angel Down was great, just like everything off of his three Skid Row Albums (except it was 100 times heavier).

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Can't wait for his new album sometime this year, Angel Down was great, just like everything off of his three Skid Row Albums (except it was 100 times heavier)."


Haha, goodman!

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@ BlueKlayman:
What other bands do you like?

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AC/DC (I am Australian, so they are pretty inspirational to me)
Queen
Aerosmith
Velvet Revolver
Metallica
Jimi Hendrix
Van Halen
Izzy Stradlin and the Ju Ju Hounds.
ZZ Top
Led Zeppelin
Pink Floyd
Joe Satriani
Stone Temple Pilots
Eric Clapton
Pretty much any rock band that is good live . But those are the main ones.

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Posted: 15th Jan 2010 00:31 Edited at: 15th Jan 2010 00:39
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Quote: "What are you talking about? Live versions are just the studio versions, except that there's an annoying audience and the band is drunk."


I'd heavily have to disagree, though for some bands, live acts are worse than studio acts because the studio versions can be played with and offer different conditions (Devil Driver I thought sounded worse live, for example). Sometimes in a live show, sound set up can be poor, for example, when I saw Iced Earth in 2007, FANTASTIC show, sound really great, loved it, when I saw them in 2008, sounded awful, whilst they had a different singer, I'd argue that his singing wasn't the problem but the general set up. In a live show you do have a lot of atmosphere and things can also sound better. However, for some artists, even when recorded it can sounds better than on CD - you might account the acoustics of a venue or even the adrenaline to perform better (which can happen, a level of anxiety can leave a stage performer to do better on stage than off, Yerkes-Dodson law I believe is the appropriate psychological explanation)

Sometimes too, from live to CD, it can sound different - I watch the recorded videos for Kerrang after I watched Metallica at download and it didn't sound as good as it did standing in the audience.

For example, the vocals on this recording:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufp3rDAGlLk&feature=related

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I was just saying I prefer live versions, Guns N roses are(were ) just amazing live.

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Posted: 15th Jan 2010 01:09 Edited at: 15th Jan 2010 01:09
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Quote: "What are you talking about? Live versions are just the studio versions, except that there's an annoying audience and the band is drunk."

I also disagree. Live versions can be so much better, depending on the band. Deep Purple, possibly the greatest live band of all time (that is open for interpretation however). Red Hot Chili Peppers, are supposed to be live, their whole music is about the performance and the raw energy that they all have. Vs. DragonForce who are atrocious live (however, based off of their studio albums there can't be much to expect (sorry to all DF fans, just my opinion)).

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Quote: "DragonForce who are atrocious live (however, based off of their studio albums there can't be much to expect (sorry to all DF fans, just my opinion)).
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Agreed Heavily.

Bands before the year 1995 were good live. The year I was born .
Joking.

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Quote: "Vs. DragonForce who are atrocious live (however, based off of their studio albums there can't be much to expect (sorry to all DF fans, just my opinion))."


I also happen to agree. Dragonforce, great shredders, but not a great band musically IMO, not particularly interesting either. I know the people rave on about how great guitarists they are because they can shred so fast, but from what I understand, they're lacking in what a lot of other guitarists are strong in. As writers of music too, they're poor in my opinion, because, at least recently, there isn't much of a sound that separates their songs.

I saw them live in 2006, I thought they weren't bad live then (relative to their CDs) - though the sound set up was poor, but we were in a spot that had the right balance, so we didn't make those complaints. But I've heard from friends who have seen them since and they just said, "Dragonforce have lost it".


Also, watch in awe and the brilliance of the Australian Pink Floyd show as they play classic Pink Floyd tracks, whilst they are a tribute band, they have their own greatness. Live on DVD, fantastic, live in real life...wow. Whilst we don't have studio recordings (as we only have PF to compare with) they're pretty amazing.

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Hate their singer, and all their songs sound the same.

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I've heard several Dragonforce songs. ABSOLUTELY UNBEARABLE. I hate their singer, and the guitars have no punch whatsoever. And the shredding isn't impressive at all. It takes very little effort to go crazy on two or three notes really fast. In fact, it's almost effortless to anyone who's been playing guitar for any considerable length of time.

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Quote: "it's almost effortless to anyone who's been playing guitar for any considerable length of time."

It's pretty effortless even with a few months of playing.

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I know this thread seems to be mostly about Rock or Metal, but i'd like to post a link to Moby's Natural Blues . It's one of the best songs i've heard in my life.

I'm very much into 90's music. What do you guys think about Moby?

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It was good, thanks for sharing.

I was thinking about live albums, and realized that most of the best ones seem to be recorded in Japan.

There are many that weren't recorded in Japan, but it's just an observation.

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Although I've never really listened to much Moby, but I've always enjoyed the music of his that I've listened to.

He's perhaps an artist to add to my mellow collection, I don't have enough mellow CDs, so I'm actually in the process of expanding that collection.

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Quote: "He's perhaps an artist to add to my mellow collection, I don't have enough mellow CDs, so I'm actually in the process of expanding that collection."


Lately I've been getter a lot of heavy music, but I would like to add more blues. It's really good to have a wide variety of music, especially if you play an instrument. Music Theory classes are the biggest joke, IMO. All that you really need to write good, creative music, is a large variety of influences.

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I've got a lot of heavy music, although I have quite a few bands to chill out to, they're mainly metal. For blues, my collection is limited, and because my Dad is a Gary Moore nut (even a member of his fan club ) I can't actually stick on any more of his records because I've heard them that much. However, last year I went through an Otis Taylor and Jeff Beck phase and they are both simply, awesome.

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Well put.

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So the new Heathen and Overkill albums, Evolution of Chaos and Ironbound, are just a few weeks away from release. The wait is killing me! Anybody else as excited about them as I am?

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I am for the new Overkill one, but not really for Heathen.

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Ah, screw Overkill, they cost Nightwish 30 minutes off of their set at Bloodstock.

Kidding of course, if bands were allowed to played passed 11pm in the UK, it wouldn't have been a problem.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2010 20:57
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Quote: "just a few weeks away"


Is it still THAT long?
You'd better find a way to keep busy, like...uhm...playing your guitar and do some recording, so that I can listen to it? I'm still waiting to hear some of your stuff, you know?

Just kidding.

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Have an all-night Overkill marathon before the album is released.

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