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The Slayer
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Posted: 14th Feb 2010 23:10
Quote: "Isometric Death Shader"


Okay, accepted.

Quote: "The riff was awesome, but a bit short and slow, I think that we should go with a faster Metalcore, more that a slower Death Metal."


Yeah, it was a bit slow, but I was planning on having a blastbeat after that. And since you said you prefer progressive metal, it should'nt always be fast, right? But I can play it faster if you like?

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Posted: 14th Feb 2010 23:16
Quote: "but no metal that im aware of has even sang a song about the boot proccess of an amiga 500!"


Maybe something to consider?

We could call ourselfs Death by Nerds, or Metalbytes, or Frantic Hex Squad, or Heretic Brains?

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Posted: 14th Feb 2010 23:27
Hehe, i gave teh whole nerdy thing a try, turns out im not very good!



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Posted: 14th Feb 2010 23:38
Quote: "And since you said you prefer progressive metal, it should'nt always be fast, right? But I can play it faster if you like?"

Right, but I think that your riff should be played faster, it all depends on how the music was written, yours I believe should be about 180 BPM or so. Not too fast, but not quite as slow as what you've got.

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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 01:53 Edited at: 15th Feb 2010 01:54
I think I like the name "Master Shader", although "Isometric Death Shader" is probably better for a metal band. I enjoy making logos, so I went ahead and made a quick one.

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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 02:23 Edited at: 15th Feb 2010 02:39
Ok then. So can I compile the different bits? And (maybe) make a logo? I'm working on one for "Isomectric Death Shader"...

EDIT: Here's an idea for one.

"And we played the first thing that came to our heads...Just so happened to be... the best song in the world...

it was the best song in the world..."

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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 09:13 Edited at: 15th Feb 2010 09:15
hey, guys. decided to skim this thread and found a band forming. at this point, i think WIP is an appropriate name? i even made a logo for you:



@the slayer - nice riff. very classic with a bit of today in there. i'd call it more of an intro so you can pick it up a bit and make the rest of us slayer fans proud

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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 12:07 Edited at: 15th Feb 2010 12:07
I made a quick album cover for fun

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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 16:00 Edited at: 16th Feb 2010 02:02
I created a quick logo:

@The Slayer:
I finally remembered to fix my avatar. Do you think it looks better?

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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 19:28 Edited at: 15th Feb 2010 22:41
Quote: "yours I believe should be about 180 BPM or so."


Well, mine was 170 BPM, so I guess that 180 will still be to slow. 190 or even 200 BPM should make it sound alot better. I'll work on that ASAP (I'm already connecting my guitar and firing up my BOSS Multiple FX Processor as of now). First, however, I shall do some aerobics to loosen up my fingers and muscles.

Quote: "I finally remembered to fix my avatar. Do you think it looks better?"


Yep, it definatly looks a whole lot better! Those letters come out much more pure than before.

@Melancholic

Nice lyrics! Lol hahahaa! You even made it rhyme a bit!


Btw, some good logo's and album covers there from you guyz! The logo by Virtual Nomad looks very good aswell.

Quote: "nice riff. very classic with a bit of today in there. i'd call it more of an intro so you can pick it up a bit and make the rest of us slayer fans proud "


Thanx Virtual Nomad! Did'nt know that you where into metal? Yeah, it has some classic roots in there and a modern touch. And, you're right, it was just the intro of the song, so the best part is yet to come!
Btw, are you also a Slayer fan?

Oh yeah, I've just thought of another name that might be good for a nerds metal band:

N.E.R.D. (Neurological Experimental Rock Division)

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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 21:59
Quote: "Btw, are you also a Slayer fan?"

since inception, yes. and, i have the scars to prove it! heh.

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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 23:22
Quote: "Oh yeah, I've just thought of another name"

There are too many now. I've compiled a list of all of the suggested names, I'll let everyone vote for which they like.



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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 00:08 Edited at: 16th Feb 2010 00:10
@budokaiman, maybe we should make a thread specifically for choosing our bands name, so that all the forum members can vote, because I don't think that alot of members are visiting the 'Music Discussion'-thread. What do you think? And, how should we vote? There should be some kind of deadline, and at the end we count the votes, or something like that? And how many names can one member vote at one time? What do you suggest?


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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 00:16 Edited at: 16th Feb 2010 00:17
Quote: "maybe we should make a thread specifically for choosing our bands name"

Yeah, makes sense, we need to come up with a dead-line. How about the end of March? At the end of march, we'll have a mod lock the thread, then we can e-mail that mod the winner, have him post it there, we will also post the winner here. For voting, I think that we should have the members all post their top three favorite names, We'll average them out.

If you want, we should also figure out what genre we'll play, so that people can also count that as a factor.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 00:34
Yeah, the end of March is fine by me. Good idea to let the members give their top three favorites. Are they allowed to post more than one top three, or only once?

Quote: "If you want, we should also figure out what genre we'll play, so that people can also count that as a factor."


Yep, I agree. It should be a mixture of metalgenres that we like, but also go well together. There are some genres that do not mix. What are the genres that you would like to play? Mine are: trash, heavy metal, progressive, hardcore, death, black metal.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 00:49
I created an interesting genre the other day, it's kind of a mix between Metalcore and Blues. It's a Blues theory with a heavier Metalcore sound. I don't really like Black or Death Metal, but I'm fine with playing them.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 01:13
Well, I'm not that familiar with blues, but It would be very interesting to hear you play it, and to give me an idea of how it sounds. And as for the Black or Death Metal (or thrash, heavy metal, progressive...) we could mix those genres together and see what we come up with, hey?

And, how about the drums, bass, vocals and keyboards? Are we going to add them with software, or ask for other members (if there are any musical gifted ones) to join us?

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 01:21 Edited at: 16th Feb 2010 01:21
Quote: "And, how about the drums, bass, vocals and keyboards? Are we going to add them with software, or ask for other members "

I think that we should ask other members, I know someone who plays bass, if I had a drum set I'd easily do that. I'm actually pretty good at the drums.

Quote: "Well, I'm not that familiar with blues"

Then I guess that we shouldn't go that route. What genres do you think that you are the most fitted to play? I listen to a good variety of metal, and other genres, so I think I could easily get used to whatever you wanted to play.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 01:48
I've used to drum too (pretty good), but my neighbours did'nt appreciate my musical talents.
If we don't find a drummer (with drumkit), then we can add them later on with software. I have FL Studio and Audacity to record and mix, so that should'nt be a problem. I usually start of with a drumbeat, and play along with my guitar. How do you write or record your songs?

Quote: "Then I guess that we shouldn't go that route."


We could give it a try, ye know? We're never to old to learn, right? And as for the other genres, I already play heavy metal, thrash, black, death, progressive...
Maybe first try some different genres together, or record some riffs and blend them to see if they fit?

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 01:50
Quote: "I usually start of with a drumbeat, and play along with my guitar. How do you write or record your songs"

I will use a drum beat often, but usually I'll just think of something, and try to remember it until I get a chance to play it on my guitar.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 03:11
So is it possible I can get in on this?

Note: I can't play any instruments. But I can help! I can...You know...do...stuff...except when I'm busy...But...still...

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 13:10
Quote: "and try to remember it until I get a chance to play it on my guitar."


Yeah, but the hard part is usually to remember them untill you are home, hey? Sometimes you still have alot to do or remember in between, and when you finally get home, those riffs are already gone, or have changed alot. I usually just play whatever comes to mind or feels right, and then I record the best parts of it, and try to assemble them. Or I listen to some metalbands and invent some riffs while listening to their songs.

Quote: "So is it possible I can get in on this?"


Yeah, there should be some things that you can help with or do. Maybe artwork or writing lyrics? Or searching for some topics for lyrics? Or do some promoting?
You've also said to eventually do the compiling and/or mixing part. So, what software or equipment do you have for mixing/compiling?
Or, you could make a game or video related to the band?
Should discuss this with budokaiman.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 14:00
Quote: "Note: I can't play any instruments."

How about a groupie then? Just kidding, maybe you could help us recruit some other members for now, once we start actually recording our music we'll send you the sound clips for mixing.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 14:28
I think we should start that thread for our bandname. We just have to decide how many top three lists one member may post untill the end of march (just one list, up to three or five lists, or unlimited?)

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 14:46
You're going too far with the band name imo. Just get the band together and work on the music, then come to the best seeming name between you at that point.

Also, this doesn't have to be a democraticly chosen name. The music genre, the riffs, who gets involved etc. aren't being chosen by the forum so the name doesn't have to be either.

My opinion, carry on brainstorming if you so wish to.
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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 15:18
Quote: "Just get the band together and work on the music, then come to the best seeming name between you at that point."

I don't think that we're doing that, because we're not really starting the band for serious reasons, we're just doing it for fun. The whole band name poll would just be for some more fun, it's up to you Slayer, what do you think?

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 16:20 Edited at: 16th Feb 2010 16:21
Well, as I said before (and so did budokaiman), this band that we're starting now is merely just for fun and getting some experience while doing that, and eventually go further (even professional) if that's an option. So, for choosing the bands' name, we could still let the forum members give their top three lists, and choose ourselves at the end amongst the 3 or five most popular names. We can than pick the name that goes best with our style and preferences, right?

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 17:41
Yes, that is the best idea, I'll start the thread now.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 19:09 Edited at: 16th Feb 2010 19:09
That was a really nice riff there The Slayer! I especially dig the whammy bar near the end. If you need some blues/classic rock stuff(usually in major keys but I can diversify) give me a shout. I've been playing for quite a long time so I've got some experience. I attached a small sample of myself grooven over myself. It's around 1.8 MB. I hope it's not too big! Also, I didn't spend much time setting sound levels for all the tracks, so some parts may stick out in the mosquito range.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 19:44 Edited at: 16th Feb 2010 19:45
Thanx for the compliment, CoughMist!

Btw, that was some very nice blues/rock stuff you did there, man! Cool! Did you learn it all by yourself, or did someone teach you? If we need some blues/classic rock stuff, we'll know where to go. Great!

I've re-recorded that riff and speeded it up a bit. Should be alot better now, so here it is:

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 20:01 Edited at: 16th Feb 2010 20:07
I like the new recording too. Pretty cool stuff. I also like the accidental (don't know for sure) harmonics. What kind of guitar are you using to record with? It's got a neat tone. Also, when you record, are you miking an amp, or are you using a direct in?

I use harmonics in a some of my writing, but when I do play heavier stuff(I usually feel my heavy stuff is too generic), I usually tune my guitar differently(to override the generic feeling I get). Like an open G minor or D minor. (It helps me with getting some unique fret taps and harmonic chords or arpeggios.) I also like dropping the low E string to a B so I can get a running bass line going while I play rhythm.

That little ditty is about 2 years old. It's the smallest mp3 I have on my soundclick so I went with it(I'm at work right now.. *Shhhh*....) I've been teaching myself for more than 15 years. I did take 2 lessons while I was in college(which gave me some insight into modes and more info on jazz chords(as well as incorporating walking bass lines while playing 7ths, 9ths, etc.)), but decided to change my major since it would be too hard to graduate with a degree in rock and roll.

EDIT: Also, this is a little heavier(played around the same time, tuned standard), but I warn that the mixing didn't go too well. 2.7 MB
EDIT2: Both tunes were from a little compo CD I put together called Eclectic Thoughts(from the tip of the tongue)

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 20:43 Edited at: 16th Feb 2010 21:04
Quote: "I like the new recording too. Pretty cool stuff. I also like the accidental (don't know for sure) harmonics."


Thanx again. Actually, those harmonics are not accidental. Btw, did you check out page 3 of this thread? There I have two other (more agressive) songs of mine (not completely finished) to give you an idea of what I play.

I have a black Ibanez which has two humbuckers. It sounds crystal clear and warm at the same time, which I like very much. It is plugged into my BOSS Multiple FX Processor, which has a send/return input/output, and there I have my KUSTOM amp wired unto. I also tune my guitar down (mostly for playing along with some Slayer tracks or to have that deep fat sound).

The second one was also good, especially the guitar solo.

What kind of guitar and amp/FX processor do you use?

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 20:48
Quote: "I don't think that we're doing that, because we're not really starting the band for serious reasons, we're just doing it for fun. The whole band name poll would just be for some more fun, it's up to you Slayer, what do you think?"

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Well, as I said before (and so did budokaiman), this band that we're starting now is merely just for fun and getting some experience while doing that, and eventually go further (even professional) if that's an option. So, for choosing the bands' name, we could still let the forum members give their top three lists, and choose ourselves at the end amongst the 3 or five most popular names. We can than pick the name that goes best with our style and preferences, right?"


Fair enough I suppose If this whole band thing is more about having fun along the way than I made it out to be, then by all means run the band the way that is best for you all.
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Quote: "I also tune my guitar down "

I too have my guitar tuned down, mines down a whole step.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 21:20
Quote: "mines down a whole step."


Two semitones? Mine too. I would like to have two or three guitars tuned differently, because each time that I want to play along with for example Iron Maiden or Dream Theatre, and thereafter I wish to play a song from Slayer or some other bands that have their guitars tuned down, I have to re-tune mine over and over again, and that is so annoying.

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Quote: "I wish to play a song from Slayer or some other bands that have their guitars tuned down, I have to re-tune mine over and over again, and that is so annoying."

Capo? Might not get the same intonation, etc, but for a temp fix and not having to retune every few songs it would be a plus.

Quote: "What kind of guitar and amp/FX processor do you use?"

for those recordings, I was using an LTD and just using a direct line into my Boss 8 track. Nowadays, I'm usually playing my strat and miking my fender twin reverb. I don't use too many FX. I like my crybaby, and every once in a while I'll use a BOSS distortion or danelectro grilled cheese, but most of the time it's just straight into the amp. For the last recordings, I don't really remember what effects I used. I also do some post-FX in cakewalk, but mostly just chorus on the drum tracks.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 00:28
Dude, you guys rock. I'm so happy to be a part of this.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 01:20
Thanx, Shadowtroid!

And, so are we having you on board. Welcome!

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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 01:57 Edited at: 17th Feb 2010 02:03
Thanks! I'll be the producer, I guess. Making things sound...Right. And I hope you don't mind, I'll be adding in random laser beam sounds when I feel like it.

Just kidding. This will certainly be a fun adventure.

EDIT: I could also write lyrics, I guess. Bear in mind, they could be funny, may (i will try to avoid this, but you never know) have a political message, and I would probably write it around the tune, not the other way around. The music's purer that way (man).

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I was about to start recording something tonight, but then my E string broke on me, and I'm too tired to replace it. Tomorrow is another day, I guess.

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Quote: "Thanks! I'll be the producer, I guess. Making things sound...Right. And I hope you don't mind, I'll be adding in random laser beam sounds when I feel like it.

Just kidding. This will certainly be a fun adventure."


Thank god, I thought you were going to become Axl Rose :p

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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 16:44
Quote: "but then my E string broke on me"


Yep, the bottom E string is mostly the one that snaps the most.

Quote: "I was about to start recording something tonight"

Quote: "Tomorrow is another day, I guess."


It sure is.
Was it something that you just thought of, or something that you've written, and was planning on recording?


I'm currently recording some acoustic intro (Slayer style), and it sounds real good (I hope ). Hope you all like it? Some comments would be nice.

So, here it is:

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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 17:37 Edited at: 17th Feb 2010 17:38
Quote: "Yep, the bottom E string is mostly the one that snaps the most. "
I know it's the bottom string, but for some reason I always call it the top string. I think it has to do with my perspective and how I see the strings when I'm playing the guitar as well as when I'm reading music and tabs.

Quote: "I'm currently recording some acoustic intro (Slayer style), and it sounds real good (I hope ). Hope you all like it? Some comments would be nice"


I dig it. I like how you keep the clean part going and switch up the time signature when the heavy part picks up. I also like the pick flick at 0:24 I am also also jealous of how clean and well mixed your recordings are. I tend to be more of a slop rock guitarist.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 20:04
Quote: "but for some reason I always call it the top string."


It all depends on how you look at it, hey?

Quote: "I dig it. I like how you keep the clean part going and switch up the time signature when the heavy part picks up."


Thanx! Yeah, that clean part gives something psychotic and doomy to it, don't you agree? I like it a lot.

Quote: "I also like the pick flick at 0:24 I am also also jealous of how clean and well mixed your recordings are"


Thanx a lot, CoughMist. I'm very pleased with the quality of the song too. Maybe it's because I record straight from my FX processor that is plugged unto the line-in of my soundcard? How do you record your songs?

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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 20:29
Quote: "Thanx! Yeah, that clean part gives something psychotic and doomy to it"

Yeah, I love the little down-tune sound you have going at the end of each arpeggiation, and the acoustic in back of the electric sounds great, it's very well mixed.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 21:14
Thanx budokaiman!

I think this is one of my best songs ever. It was to a large extent inspired by some Slayer songs (like: 213, Deviance, Final Six...)
I've also tried to keep it simple. Just to prove that a good song does'nt necessarily have to be complex, unless you know what you do, or are extremely talented like for example Dream Theatre, or another (more brutal) band that I like, named Behemoth (excellent drummer and guitarists).

What do you reckon, budokaiman, is it good enough for our band?

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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 21:38
Quote: "What do you reckon, budokaiman, is it good enough for our band?"

Definitely, maybe that could be the style that we stick with, as you are very good at it.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 22:06
Quote: "as you are very good at it."


Ooooops, WHAT is wrong with me??? My cheeks are turning into red hot tomato's!?!
Am I sick, or just blushing??
Thanx man, I don't know what to say.

Quote: "maybe that could be the style that we stick with"


We'll definitely add some of your style too. You're also a band member, so we'll mix our styles together and make a metalstyle of our own.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 22:11
And laser beams!

If I could throw in my two cents on what music to play...I love epic music. You guys are epic, I mean in terms of guitar effects. I love big, echoey sounds that seem...huge. That's what I really like.

But I don't play, so if you want to throw out my idea, then I don't care. You're guys style still rule.

"And we played the first thing that came to our heads...Just so happened to be... the best song in the world...

it was the best song in the world..."
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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 22:43
Quote: "I love epic music."

Do you mean epic as song length? Typically an epic song means a song that is 10+ minutes in length.

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