Quote: "Apes are not humans and humans are not apes, they are two different species. It would be stupid to think of or call them as the same they are different."
I didn't say the same, I said equel. An ape feels emotion, can learn to comunicate, hell you can even teach them mathmatics. They have just as much potential as humans, why do most humans think we are better than them?
Quote: "@Arrow you are quoting scientists views. What is wrong with our own views."
Quote: "put their opinions to one side, and come to your own conclusions."
Heh heh, I beleave everything is alive and has a soul, it a part of Shintoism. I encorperate all possiblities, science, religion and philosophy, to reach my beliefs, most of which are very radical and/or new. Hell I even figured out the meaning of life and existance, now I'm working the over all purpose of them and if there's an Endgame. In any case I believe in my own ideas, I use everyone else's logic to conferm and support them.
Quote: "Life for me includes a central processor capable of emotion, feeling, memory, imagination, and self conciousness"
So plants, fungus, and microscopic creatures aren't life? Lets not confuse sentient life with regular life. Even then Cats, Dogs, Orca, Dolfins, Apes, Certain birds, they all show those signs, why don't we call them sentient forms of life?
Quote: "Find a chrystal or star capable of homeostasis and the rest of the characteristics of life defined by science and I am sure people will admit the chrystal and the star are living."
It's all perspective.
@Liquidz Snake: you're getting into the argument that nothing can realy be proven or disproven, a real conversation killer, kinda like the "God created everything" argument some Chirstain use to avoid thinking. I perfer to have a bit more postive out look, such as "this work here but not here, why not?". Insted on focusing on how nothing can be disproven or proven, focus on the fact that they can be.
Quote: "Yeah it could be like a ladder. You either go up a rung, or down a rung, depending on how innocent you are."
Sounds like Budism or Hindusim to me. I find a suprising large number of Chirstain that believe in the the "latter" idea, yet refuse to believe than any other religion made have a few ggod points. Close-minded thinking like that lead to the Crusades, Holicuast, and 9-11.
Quote: "It's not a case of believing or not believing in science and scientists. It's a case of hearing what they've got to say, and deciding for yourself what's most logical, and most sensible. Anyone who tells me those skelitons of dinosaurs in the natural history museum are some conspiracy, or placed there by a god etc, and arent genuine ..... well, I don't know what to say. How narrow minded! How utterly and thouroughly narrow minded. And I can say this because I believe in my own interpretation of god (and not what I've been brainwashed into believing) and my own interpretation of science (and not what people would force me to believe)."
Agreed 100%. I walk the blage's edge called nuetrality, I avode extream points of veiw as much as I can, they only promote close-mindedness.
DDR is the best form of exercise money can buy.
