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Krilik
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2007 03:45
Its kind of hard to sit around and try and take people seriously when they accuse a group of people based on their console preference. No one here cares if you like the Wii or 360. If you like the PS3 you're in a "camp". Anything you say, and do, has a default connotation to it. Like "whining" when you jump into to defend the PS3. In fact, it happened before I even began. Its ridiculous.
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2007 03:57 Edited at: 22nd Nov 2007 03:59
If you like the XBOX360 you're in a camp. If you like the Wii, there's nothing up 'cause the Wii isn't part of the war.

It's hard to defend a console with only one good title, you know. And I respect everyone's opinion and crap, but I don't see many people accusing people. I see people telling things and other people telling why those things are incorrect. And if you read back, objectively, you cannot deny that the PS3 camp acts slightly whiney. If I think they do, they prolly do, as I don't really fend for either of both sides.

BTW, the PS3-people still haven't replied to my last Blu-Ray remark. That's another thing that makes them look whiney: They only pick the remarks that are incorrect and don't say anything about the points that are correct. Sorry, but that just makes you look brainwashed and sophist.


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ionstream
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2007 04:09 Edited at: 22nd Nov 2007 04:12
Quote: "Sorry, but that just makes you look brainwashed and sophist."


That or no one cares enough to reply to "Blu-ray is not going as well as hoped." It's not really a controversial statement.

Also that has nothing to do with being "whiney."

That's not as bad as you think you said.
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2007 05:12
That, or they avoid a painful subject to hit on the people that make mistakes in punctuation. That has something to do with being whiney. Exclusively discussing all false statements makes you look, again, brainwashed and sophist. And while that doesn't look whney, doing that ten times does.

That's not as bad as you think you said, though.


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Posted: 22nd Nov 2007 05:38 Edited at: 22nd Nov 2007 05:42
@Krilik - I kind of know why there is a strong reaction to bash Sony when they slip up. If you think back to a month before the launch, everyone just knew it was going to be king of the hill. Nobody questioned it, as the PS brand has been at the top for two rounds. The Sony boys were taking it all for granted, as were the Sony execs (with many famous quotes regarding users throwing away their PCs, etc.) Businessmen were paying the homeless to stand in line all day to turn the PS3 over for a quick profit on eBay. Once the sales results started coming in and the figures showed a crapload more systems being sold without a game, it raised a few eyebrows.

Now, a year after the launch, Sony is just barely keeping up with MS and Ninty (especially Ninty, who was last place in the last game round, the *entire* round) Competitive gamers just love to rub salt in the wound when they're beating each other in games, and it's the same way when we're talking about each other's consoles. The PS3 has a negative connotation with gamers now because of the arrogance and the conceit, and it's collapsed on them.

Honestly I wholeheartedly believe Sony will pass the 360 and Wii eventually--- I just don't know when, but I for one enjoy seeing a big upset in all competitive races

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2007 06:32
Quote: "If you like the XBOX360 you're in a camp. If you like the Wii, there's nothing up 'cause the Wii isn't part of the war.

It's hard to defend a console with only one good title, you know. And I respect everyone's opinion and crap, but I don't see many people accusing people. I see people telling things and other people telling why those things are incorrect. And if you read back, objectively, you cannot deny that the PS3 camp acts slightly whiney. If I think they do, they prolly do, as I don't really fend for either of both sides.

BTW, the PS3-people still haven't replied to my last Blu-Ray remark. That's another thing that makes them look whiney: They only pick the remarks that are incorrect and don't say anything about the points that are correct. Sorry, but that just makes you look brainwashed and sophist."


Maybe in other forums if you like either consoles you're labeled things. But on here if you come out and say you like the Wii or 360 you're okay with everybody really. I don't think anyone holds any preconcieved ideas about your opinion on things. Like Matt's "inability" to see Halo 3 as a good game, just as a recent example.

I also look back and see people nit-picking things about the PS3 that the other consoles have faulted on too. To me that's a problem. It just keeps fueling the "Its bad for Sony here, but okay for Nintendo or Microsoft there." mentality.

I think the successfulness of Blu-ray is independent of the success of the PS3. I don't know why you feel like PS3 fanboys are obligated to defend it. Honestly the dominant HD format doesn't matter really, unless you are planning on investing in the PS3 with the agenda of building a Blu-ray library. Which is still as dumb as buying an HD-DVD player addon for your 360 right now, if you ask me. I see it like this, the majority of people want to buy a PS3 to play games (or that's the reason they hope to buy it for); if Blu-ray doesn't make it, your investment was just for games anyway and there will still be PS3 games; if Blu-ray does make it, you no longer have to purchase an HD player, if you were planning on getting one anyway. I think I mentioned it already and really don't care about this Blu-ray vs HD-DVD discussion. I'm a Blu-ray advocate for games and only because its the only high capacity format being used in games, not because its Blu-ray.

Quote: "@Krilik - I kind of know why there is a strong reaction to bash Sony when they slip up. If you think back to a month before the launch, everyone just knew it was going to be king of the hill. Nobody questioned it, as the PS brand has been at the top for two rounds. The Sony boys were taking it all for granted, as were the Sony execs (with many famous quotes regarding users throwing away their PCs, etc.) Businessmen were paying the homeless to stand in line all day to turn the PS3 over for a quick profit on eBay. Once the sales results started coming in and the figures showed a crapload more systems being sold without a game, it raised a few eyebrows.

Now, a year after the launch, Sony is just barely keeping up with MS and Ninty (especially Ninty, who was last place in the last game round, the *entire* round) Competitive gamers just love to rub salt in the wound when they're beating each other in games, and it's the same way when we're talking about each other's consoles. The PS3 has a negative connotation with gamers now because of the arrogance and the conceit, and it's collapsed on them.

Honestly I wholeheartedly believe Sony will pass the 360 and Wii eventually--- I just don't know when, but I for one enjoy seeing a big upset in all competitive races "


Yeah I totally agree. There's not a doubt in my mind that people are taking their dislike of Sony and concentrating it toward the PS3 community. To me it seems that people fail to objectively quantify the value of the PS3 because of what its been surrounded by. For example, Sony says the PS3 will be 100% backwards compatible. It turns out not to be, and some games have issues, or don't play as well on the PS3 as they would on the PS/PS2. This becomes "bad" because Sony lied about it, not "bad" because the quality of the backward's compatibility isn't good enough.

Which leads me back to my original comment of the critcisms being hypocritcal, absurd, or based on arbitrary expectations.
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2007 08:41
The Halo=Overated thread was locked because it had run it's course - it was almost on page 2 when someone decided to bump it again for no good reason, I made that clear.

I'd lock this thread too but people keep bickering at each other, the minute I lock it PS3 fans would complain about censorship. There's no real need to have this thread and the Halo one - the forum only needs 1 portable toilet, and this thread is it.


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Posted: 22nd Nov 2007 09:19
Quote: "the forum only needs 1 portable toilet, and this thread is it."


I disagree. The Toilet Day thread is more deserving

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2007 09:51
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hehehe..well sorry but I was a bit cranky when I posted that. All the same, I offically renounce myself from these wars...I like the wii and the 360, and when sony puts up something of worth, i'll get it. Tada and farewell.

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2007 11:57 Edited at: 22nd Nov 2007 11:58
Quote: "I mean jesus not only did you twist most of the responses from people to fit your own facts about things"

Examples? To be honest Raven, a lot of the complaints you had about the PS3 were incorrect. I posted corrections to those and you obviously took offence.
Quote: "obviously having little to no knowledge on how digital-to-digital and digital-to-analog works but then trying to be all bloody "thoughtful" about it"

You have no idea what I know. What I wrote was correct and in a much easier to understand and shorter way than you did. I guess that comes from teaching experience. You will never learn anything if you don't actually listen to those who do know, or understand what you are reading. Sorry if that sounds harsh but if you can find anything factually wrong with what I wrote - say why. Otherwise don't whinge about it.
Quote: "Just to reiterate your own point that you feel that 25/30fps is good enough for games.
Tell you what when I get home, I'll make something in DBP to show you the point I mean."

Okay. Then run that DBP program through a normal TV at 50/60Hz and tell me if there is a major difference when you change the framerate from 25/30 to 50/60. Besides, I never said it isn't better to have a faster framerate. I just said that in my opinion its better to have more detail on screen than less detail and a faster framerate, as long as its at least 25/30fps.
Quote: "Many of the PS3 fanboys on this forum a.) have never played the competition's consoles and/or b.) do not even have a PS3"

I think this goes for the fans of all the consoles, Jeku. Incidentally, its rare I mention Sony at all and I certainly don't comment on their advertising or prerelease spiel. I try to only comment on the PS3 itself and what it can do. After all, I buy a console for what it can do for me rather than who made it.
Quote: "BTW, the PS3-people still haven't replied to my last Blu-Ray remark. That's another thing that makes them look whiney: They only pick the remarks that are incorrect and don't say anything about the points that are correct."

Nope. The reason I personally haven't replied to your comment is that its already been covered when I posted the actual sales figures. It sounds to me like you are just looking for an argument. You have confirmed this by repeating it when nobody took the bate
Quote: "Exclusively discussing all false statements makes you look, again, brainwashed and sophist. And while that doesn't look whney, doing that ten times does."

Actually I have agreed with points mentioned which I don't like about the PS3 (e.g. it stops downloading in the background when you watch a movie). I posted corrections to false statements because otherwise people will read them and think they are true. This just perpetuates false information about the PS3 which isn't fair to those reading who don't know the truth. If I started saying things like 'the 360 has a nice interface but it only outputs in black and white' I am sure people won't comment about what I said about the interface.


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Posted: 22nd Nov 2007 14:14
I'll use this one as toilet. Bah.

Zappo, Krillik, no hard feelings, but we'll have to agree that you disagree with me thinking of you as two whining fanboys till in the extreme in this thread.

I've had it.


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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 23:39
I risk peeing people off by bumping this, but objectiveness dictates I have to link to this: Blu-Ray Format Dominating in Europe

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Posted: 29th Nov 2007 06:03
Yeah, I'm just reading that. Quite amazing, honestly, since last week, all sort of Blu-Ray stuff is suddenly popping up.

Let's see how this goes. Some analysts just claimed Blu-Ray would lose due to HD-DVD's more extensive computer support - people buy the discs for the machines they have, not the other way around - but if the video branche of Blu-Ray is going so rapidly, they might just be proven wrong.


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Posted: 29th Nov 2007 17:13
Nice to see you believe the figures when someone else posts them, tha_rami! Just kidding.

BluRay drives for PCs are much more available and hold a larger market share (so far) than PC HD-DVD drives. I wasn't sure why until I actually had a look at what was on offer. All the major UK online hardware sellers seem to only stock BluRay drives (EBuyer, SaverStore, MicroDirect, Dabs, Dell etc). I only did a quick search mind, but Amazon sell 2 HD-DVD drives (one of them being a HD/BD combo) but they both can only read HD-DVD disks, not write them. They sell 12 BluRay ones. Scan sell 6 BluRay drives and one HD/BD combo drive (HD read only - same as Amazon).
Does anyone know a reason why PC HD-DVD drives are so hard to get and why there are no HD-DVD writers, or is this a UK thing?


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Posted: 29th Nov 2007 17:26
Seems strange to me because Microsoft is supporting HD-DVD, so you'd think there'd be a few PC ones. I reckon the demand just isn't really there yet, not with portable harddrives getting cheaper and more storage.

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Posted: 29th Nov 2007 18:01
With Microsoft behind HD-DVD, I can see the PC-war going to PC in the end.

I believe the figures I can find, and before, I just couldn't find much proof that Bluray is going to win. Now it seems the impasse is over though.


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Posted: 29th Nov 2007 19:10
http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_070919.html

If any of you really want to argue the figures, then sign-up with NPD who's job day-in day-out is to compile these figures.

Quote: "Does anyone know a reason why PC HD-DVD drives are so hard to get and why there are no HD-DVD writers, or is this a UK thing?"


Toshiba is focusing on the public reception of the format, not the industry as a whole. This said the price of BluRay (even players) for the PC makes it out of the price-range of everyone except those who are willing to spend basically the price of a console for new technology.

Quite frankly none of this matter, because no matter which gets the better figures right now; it's the title available that'll make the difference.

This is what the industry has forced; rather than Betamax vs VHS or DVD-RAM vs DVD-ROM where ultimately it was won by whichever was cheaper to produce and as such becoming the industries choice.

What has happened here is the industry are supporting both.
BluRay has size, HD-DVD has features; both picture and sound quality is neigh-on identical.

So we've got ourselves a grudge match similar to consoles.
Niether has sheer "numbers" to throw at the other either... as while BluRay is doing well now, HD-DVD has more players and movies currently in homes.

It boils down to who can release the most popular movies on the formats. Basically what is going to be the HD-Format equivilant of Halo 3; because that is what will eventually win this.

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Posted: 29th Nov 2007 19:17
Honestly I couldn't care who wins, because when I buy a media player in the future it will be one of those nifty drives that can play both formats

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Posted: 29th Nov 2007 20:11
Quote: "Honestly I couldn't care who wins, because when I buy a media player in the future it will be one of those nifty drives that can play both formats"


Yeah, I have a dual-format player on my PC; as well as having a PS3 and Xbox 360 HD-DVD. So tbh, I couldn't care less really; cause whatever wins I'll still be able to use it.

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Posted: 29th Nov 2007 20:40
Neither will win, Digitial Distribution will.

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Posted: 29th Nov 2007 21:09
I wouldn't bet on it Chris.
Although personally I hope that Digital Distribution does win, there are still people using slower internet connections making it impossible.

For example the connection I have is 2Mb, which should be able to happily stream both SD and HD (1Mb) formats.. yet can't.
(Despite my Cable Box being able to on the same connection :-\)

So ya know, the technology isn't really in-place or cheap enough to win in the HD-movie/tv distribution just yet. Games and downloadable shows provided you don't mind waiting is though, so we're getting there.

Until then though we have to wait for technology to catch up with ambition. Not to mention companies to actually integrate, then for companies to further develop decent interfaces (which they're just about doing now for distribution methods and media).
We got some way yet, but ultimately I believe you're right.

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Posted: 30th Nov 2007 12:04 Edited at: 30th Nov 2007 12:07
Here in the UK, the few HD-DVD or combo drives for PCs I could find are more expensive than some BluRay PC drives. Considering the HD-DVD stand alone movie players are still considerably cheaper I can't understand why this is the case. Its almost as if the HD-DVD camp aren't trying to push the PC side of the market at all at the moment. After all, it seems impossible to buy one which supports HD-DVD writing. They just aren't available here.
Quote: "BluRay has size, HD-DVD has features; both picture and sound quality is neigh-on identical."

BluRay does have size going for it which is possibly going to appeal to PC users as extra backup capacity is always a bonus. I agree that picture and sound is pretty much identical. As for features, I am not convinced HD-DVD has more/better ones. The embedded Java (BD-J) in all BluRay players is a compulsory part of the standard. Although I am not a fan of Java myself, I know its capabilities and its cross platform support should mean its easy to pick up and bring some clever interactive content. I look forward to seeing what people do with that and would love to see some games and emulators coming out for BluRay players
Quote: "HD-DVD has more players and movies currently in homes."

More movie players (if you exclude the PS3 and BluRay PC drives), but not more movies sold (see Kentaree's link).


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