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Jeku
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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 21:44
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According to Sony, their SIXAXIS controller won an Emmy award for technical innovation.

Smells fishy, right?

Turns out they received an award for their original dual-shock controller. WTF? Why are they continuously stooping to such lows, i.e. blatant lies?

I hate unfair fanboy bashing as much as the next guy, but this is just stupid. Anyone else agree with me?

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 21:52
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Yep, it's dumb. It's very dumb. Sony have definitely put me off. I wasn't a 'Sony hater' previously - I just disliked the PS3 because of its lack of innovation. But why should I trust Sony in the future? This must just be blatant lying rather than an accident too: I mean, you're not exactly going to get confused other what you win an Emmy for: they tell you for God's sake


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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 21:53
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I'm pretty sure that many of the Sony execs live in some sort of suspended reality where nothing bad ever happens. I personally hate fanboy bashing, because you know that there actually were some very intelligent engineers that worked on the PS3 and all of Sony's other projects. Unfortunately the execs are just so arrogant that I have a hard time not saying mean things about Sony. This is just one of those examples where it can get very easy to overlook the people that actually make Sony function and just connect it to the morons who "run" Sony. I would really like to see some sort of clean up in the Sony execs, but the only people that can do that are the Sony execs so you'll probably never see this happen.

In short, Jeku, you're completely right.


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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 22:13 Edited at: 10th Jan 2007 22:16
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It is a real shame about Sony, but I don't think they deserve another chance at this. Let the engineers and techies move to a decent company and lets forget about Sony completely. I mean it is getting really ridiculous with the arrogance...

I do expect that Sony is going to be in a very weak financial position in 4 years time, the PSP isn't doing so well against the DS and I wholly expect to see the same with the PS3. Whilst Nintendo is making profits on every of the 4 million Wii's sold. In 4 years time Nintendo will have upper hand enough over Sony such that between Nintendo and MS they'll be able to put the nail in the coffin of the Playstation brand. That's my prediction anyway. I was right about UMD movies being a flop and the PSP/DS in general so...

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You're kidding me, I'm no fanboy or sony hater, as I love the Ps2 and PSX and one of their laptop batteries (what? It made a Dell explode, and anything to make me laugh at that sort of thing deserves respect) But I find that ridiculous, because the reasons for it winning are the same as the Wii-mote, yet the Wii-mote contains so much more, I don't mean to sounds like a football fan (Or a Liverpool Fan...on the account of 6|3 ), but 'Is the referee blind? or am I imagining what I just saw'. I'm not normally that judgemental, but the Wii-mote has more or less created an original controller that is the main asset to its console in changing the way games are played, the 360 has a horrible controller (In my opinion anyway.) and the PS3 one is in between.

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 23:33
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Quote: "404 Page not found"


Looks like Sony has pulled the page down It was there when I posted this thread, but obviously they can't keep that up there any longer.

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It's still there just in a different place:
http://www.us.playstation.com/News/Stories/5834

Quote: "I just disliked the PS3 because of its lack of innovation."


You don't consider the cell processor and blu-ray innovative? They did try a new controller style too but the masses rejected it so they went back to the old one to be safe.

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I really doubt Sony execs write news on their website...
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Quote: "I really doubt Sony execs write news on their website..."


It didn't just appear on their website. Sony announced it to various news blogs and sites across the web as well.

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Posted: 11th Jan 2007 00:58 Edited at: 11th Jan 2007 00:58
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The same day it was awarded... And two days later it was confirmed as a mistake. The DualShock was released in 1998 and it is being awarded in 2006, I don't see how that makes a whole lot of sense. For all anyone knows Sony was told they were awarded for their "controller". I would assume the newest one... Not one from 8 years ago. By the time next week I'll bet there will be another correction stating it was the DualShock 2, not the original. Otherwise the award makes no sense.
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Sorry if i offend anyone, but Sony as a whole is crap.
Just look at what they did to Star Wars Galaxies.
There was this profession, Creature Handler, which was going to be revamped on one their updates. They promissed functionality to the class on october 2005. What did we get? In November they got rid of that class, and many others.
That's the worst example of weaselness ever.
I'm not trusting Sony, or any of it's affiliates ever.
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(The other view of this situation)
Mistakes happen. I know i know... we'd all like to think no one in a professional company makes mistakes, but it does happen.

I remember best game i ever played 'team buddies', don't know if it was in any other format but for ps1 but it was the best multiplayer game I have played. some of the best games were out for sony's PS ^-^.

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Dextro you are so right about swg! I was a ch too and they took it all away Not to mention letting anyone be a jedi...

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I am also very disappointed in sony.

Sony should join the group that has picket signs and yelling "DOWN WITH SONY" "DOWN WITH SONY".

Like on Futurama.

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Hmmmm let's see:

Emmy Awards Event Sponsor: Sony Electronics.
Emmy Awards Event Partner: Blu-ray Disc.

It's like when you have those tv awards on and the awards show on ITV picks Coronation Street as the best soap and the awards show on the BBC picks Eastenders as the best soap....


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http://emmyonline.org/emmy/advmedia_winners_release.html

I did originally write a response to this, but somehow it seems to have been lost. This said anyone who views the majority of these Emmys will notice that they're just BS awards just to have another award show.

But for those who can't be arsed:

Quote: "The Emmy Award for Peripheral Development and Technological Impact of Video Game Controllers

Nintendo
Sony Computer Entertainment America, for the Dual Shock Analog Controller. "


Now the funny thing about this is, Sony not only weren't the only ones awarded; but while they were awarded for the Dual Shock Analog Controller itself... Nintendo were awarded for being, well NINTENDO!

Quote: "The Emmy Award for Outstanding Innovation and Achievement in Advanced Media Technology for the Best Use of Personal Media Display and Presentation Technology

Xross Media Bar – Sony Computer Entertainment"


This one I posted simply because of the whole WTF! factor.
If you've ever used a Windows XP Media Center PC and a PSP/PS3 then you'll know exactly what I mean about my comment.

Personally speaking, I find the whole PS3 a crock of crap.

SIX-AXIS = Sidewinder Tilt
Cell = 64bit PowerPC Processor with 7x Floating-Point Units
Blu-Ray = 2nd Generation DVD-RAM
RSX = Xenos (sorry but performance wise, they're actually pretty damn equal on what you can achieve)
XMB = Media Center
PSN = Xbox Live... actually PSN is just piss-poor copy. Sony should've asked Square-Enix if they could've expanded and used their already established PlayOnline system, which is every bit as good as Xbox Live in many respects; plus has a fairly similar userbase.

All in all, Sony really aren't doing themselves any favours trying to sell the small number of units available with their current marketing tactics. It is just begining to make people really resent them, particularly their main meal-train, the avid/hardcore console gamers.

If it was just based on television adverts or the official magazines, Sony would still probably be sitting pretty. Unfortunately for Sony the internet has quickly turned from a blessing with the PS2 to a terminal decease for the PS3.

So far both of the main competitors producing more units kept selling out within their Christmas releases; Sony unfortunately is still trying to shift the stock they have made.
Perhaps it's time for Sony to give up their glory, Microsoft at CES yesterday announced they sold 10.4Million units by the end of last year. While this puts them ahead of Sony's Playstation 2 at the same point in it's lifetime, I think Sony and Microsoft need to be more worried about Nintendo because in a 6week period they have sold almost 4million units.

That isn't impressive, it's almost unreal in how well Nintendo are doing.

Microsoft will win over the "Casual Gamers", this is a given at this point tbh. Sure Sony still have some big titles up their sleeve but just as Nintendo; a few top-notch games don't help out-weigh a library of unheard of crap.

Nintendo quite frankly look like they're going to become the dominating force again.

This could all chance in the next 6-12months, but realistically history on the console market shows that unless you have a good launch you can kiss market leader position goodbye.

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Apparently even the Japanese market doesn't have time for PS3s. Wasn't that region their bread and butter? I mean--- if Japan doesn't show the love, who will?

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Quote: "if Japan doesn't show the love, who will?"


Japan loves Nintendo.

Seriously, I never had any really bad feelings towards Sony but it's hard to ingore this latest Sony crap.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I felt a little giddy inside when I read that the Nintendo DS outsold the PSP over the holiday season 3 to 1. Way to go Nintendo!

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I am still trying to get over the $600+ price tag...
Before the Playstation 3 was released every time I read anything about it Sony acted like they were God's gift to gaming.
They didn't answer a lot of questions,launch titles were unclear (Ken's basic attitude was we would all run out and buy one no matter what games were on it) and,of course,there was the mystery of the Betamax...er,Blu-Ray player.
While it seems like Nintendo did everything to make its system fun and Microsoft used its typical corporate marketing mass marketing machine to get a jump on its competitors,Sony did...squat.
And Microsoft did the smartest thing of all...they advised gamers to buy a 360 and a Wii.
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Honestly...how many of us can just afford to cough up heaven only knows how much money for a PS3,a few games,and all of the necessary accesories?
For that much you can get a decent computer rig.

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Hehe, yeah I remember the "buy a 360 and Wii" quote.

And remember when the Sony exec announced at the last CES, "the next generation doesn't start until WE say it does!" Really shows how arrogant Sony is, and that comment I hear drew more jeers than cheers from the crowd.

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To be honest I think the Sony joypad is the best designed controller I have ever held. Functionally its not that spectacular (although the automatic calibration was impressive) but it fits so nicely in the hands and you can relax while using it. The Wii controller I found awkward and uncomfortable because you have to tilt your wrist down in order to keep it pointing at the screen - like all remote controls. It works great but its just not comfortable for me.

An interesting fact that Xmas 2006 in the UK still saw the PS2 as the most bought console. I wouldn't consider myself a fanboy but considering its age thats pretty impressive.
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This is going to end up worse than the Saturn release, isn't it?


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lol yeah nintendo boycott the event i hear, and they won an award for the D-PAD! it was awards for the controller schemes that changed the game industry forever, and of course nintendo won for the d-pad cause everyone uses it, i don't know why the dual shock won cause i mean what , it has a joystick that nintendo invented for the 64, but they added a second one, and then they had rumble which nintendo had, then they made that two as well? (dual shock?) The dual shock was only popular cause it was the only legit controller for the peestation, it wasn't anything special or decent, i liked the snes pad more as for the lie about the ps3 controller, I laughed when they announced it cause i was like, wiimote has much more motion control, then i found out nintendo boycott the "sony sponsored" event, and I CAN understand sorny getting wires crossed when the group told them we are giving your controller an award (I mean really it has been several years, I would assume my latest product was the one winning an award).

ending this rant, ps3 sucks, I have playe dit, the controller is just too plastic. win for nintendo


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The PS controllers are alright, but personally I think Nintendo have managed to put good controllers out there everytime (apart from maybe the NES). A lot of people hated the N64 controller, yet it was incredibly comfortable. The GC one was comfortable, and the Wii-mote is very comfortable, as you dont have to sit in a cramped position.
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Quote: "The Wii controller I found awkward and uncomfortable because you have to tilt your wrist down in order to keep it pointing at the screen - like all remote controls"


this makes me doubt you've used it at all. For most games, you don't even need to point it at the screen, as this is for accuracy, and you can also put the sensor bar ON TOP of the screen and change a setting on the Wii

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I think that Sony has a blue ray player, playing this over and over throughout the building-

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Quote: "The Wii controller I found awkward and uncomfortable because you have to tilt your wrist down in order to keep it pointing at the screen - like all remote controls"


sorry u need to go download a wii then.

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Quote: "While this puts them ahead of Sony's Playstation 2 at the same point in it's lifetime"


No it doesn't. That statistic is misleading. 1 year after the PS2 launched only includes the PS2 being released for 5 months in the US, and 4 in Europe. The Xbox 360 has been out for more than a year for all regions. Take away 7 months of sales in US, and 8 months of sales in Europe, THEN you'll be comparing the actual lifetime.

If you want to compare real 1 year release sales the PS2 sold more around 20 million after being released in ALL regions for a year.

Its also worthy to note that the original Xbox was actually doing better than Xbox 360 did during the same point in its life. Not only that, but the original Xbox didn't have 1 year to sell before its competition.
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Quote: "No it doesn't. That statistic is misleading. 1 year after the PS2 launched only includes the PS2 being released for 5 months in the US, and 4 in Europe. The Xbox 360 has been out for more than a year for all regions. Take away 7 months of sales in US, and 8 months of sales in Europe, THEN you'll be comparing the actual lifetime.

If you want to compare real 1 year release sales the PS2 sold more around 20 million after being released in ALL regions for a year."


Actually I'd suggest you view the statistics I put in a previous thread argument about this.

Sony PRODUCED 11.4 Million Units between 2001-2002, the period when it was available worldwide.

Their actual sales, was recorded to be closer to 8million units. So no; even at the same lifecycle period in all regions, Sony are still being beaten by Microsoft.

Which doesn't matter one bit, given within <8weeks (2months) Nintendo have reached the unpresidented target of 4million units.

Quote: "Its also worthy to note that the original Xbox was actually doing better than Xbox 360 did during the same point in its life. Not only that, but the original Xbox didn't have 1 year to sell before its competition."


That is just complete crap.
I've had a quick look to try and find the PR on microsoft.com but can't seem to for the moment;

24million units total sold (not including Holidays 2006)
1.5 million prior to Worldwide release in Q4-2001
6 million worldwide PR Dec31-2002 (UK, Australia, US, and Japan)

So unless the rest of the world makes up another 4million which I highly doubt; then Microsoft didn't even come close to their new target.

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This, coupled with the fact that the adult film industry has chosen HD-DVD as its format of choice. This is what happened with Betamax vs. VHS--- the adult industry selected VHS due to cost (and once again HD-DVD discs are cheaper to produce). Believe it or not this is a major reason why VHS won.

Also, Sony are not allowing pornography on their Blu-Ray disc tech yet--- the same thing they disallowed with Betamax.

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yeah history repeating really, and once again with this console generation the real loosers are Panasonic who constantly keep making better and better opticial hardware and media.

on the plus side it also means there will always be a nitché market for the format unless betamax which didn't have the advantages of the digital age behind it.

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We have so mouch to thank the adult industry for. First ones to accept credit cards online, pioneers in streaming video, etc. They may not have directly invented these things, but their dollars hired the people who brought so many great technologies for the web.

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Quote: "We have so much to thank the adult industry for. First ones to accept credit cards online, pioneers in streaming video"


If that's the only thing you thank them for I'm going to question your sexuality

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Quote: "If that's the only thing you thank them for I'm going to question your sexuality"

Or maybe some are less perverted than others.

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Quote: "this makes me doubt you've used it at all. For most games, you don't even need to point it at the screen, as this is for accuracy, and you can also put the sensor bar ON TOP of the screen and change a setting on the Wii"

Oh, I have played Wii. The natural position of my hand when I am holding something makes it point diagonally up and away from me (like everybody else with normal physiology). Unless I am sitting about 3 feet away from my television, even having the sensor bar on top won't help. I suppose its okay if you are using a 14inch TV in your bedroom, but not a big screen in your living room where you need to sit about 10 feet away. It really does make aiming a gun or even entering your name using an onscreen keyboard a bit cumbersome.
Quote: "This, coupled with the fact that the adult film industry has chosen HD-DVD as its format of choice. This is what happened with Betamax vs. VHS--- the adult industry selected VHS due to cost (and once again HD-DVD discs are cheaper to produce). Believe it or not this is a major reason why VHS won."

Absolutely right and history will probably repeat itself. There are two differences which spring to mind which Sony may be relying upon though. Currently HD-DVD players start at about £450 IIRC so the feature rich PS3 with its blu-ray builtin looks better value. Also, Sony own several movie studios now and so could force lots of releases onto blu-ray and possibly make its mainstream catalogue larger than that of the HD-DVD (excluding the dirty stuff of course).
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Quote: "Oh, I have played Wii. The natural position of my hand when I am holding something makes it point diagonally up and away from me (like everybody else with normal physiology). Unless I am sitting about 3 feet away from my television, even having the sensor bar on top won't help. I suppose its okay if you are using a 14inch TV in your bedroom, but not a big screen in your living room where you need to sit about 10 feet away. It really does make aiming a gun or even entering your name using an onscreen keyboard a bit cumbersome."


Ever since my friend bought his Wii it has been in my room. We play it on the projector screen, which is by no means small. I have never found it uncomfortable. We had a little trouble getting it set up with such a large screen at such a short distance away (over 80" at about 7 feet away), but it works. I hope they come out with some new sensor bar stuff though. Like maybe a longer one for bigger screens or something. Although I do hear that they are making a wireless one.

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Heh another classic Sony-ism in David Dille's keynote address at CES.

He said Motorstorm would be running at 60FPS and 1080p, then a few days later the developers confirmed it actually ran at 30FPS and 720p.

Keep the hits coming PS3.

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Quote: "the PSP isn't doing so well against the DS and I wholly expect to see the same with the PS3. Whilst Nintendo is making profits on every of the 4 million Wii's sold"


Actually, according to NPD, the Nintendo Wii sold 604,200 units in the United States (that's the biggest market in the world by the way), and the Sony Playstation 3 sold 490,700... a whopping difference of (brace yourselves) 113,500. Not exactly breaking Sony's back or a stellar lead by ANY means. Surprisingly, the 360 sold 1.1 million units (not even close to the 4 million units they were hoping to sell). Isn't this close to exactly what I predicted a few months ago (edit: Except admittedly I thought the 360 was going to do far worse, so good on you 360 fans, bad on me)? Wii with a minor lead until sometime around mid-summer when the PS3 overtakes it? Looks like I'm right so far, not that anyone will admit that . And the PSP is losing to the DS, but again, it isn't stellar (but considerably more stellar than the Wii/ PS3 difference, granted)... wasn't it 2 million units? I don't remember, although I should since I've been forced to post links about that several times before.

But anyway, a part of me agrees that this is bonk and Sony should have thought this through a bit more, but at the same time it's not like I haven't seen a zillion other companies do crap like this. I just don't get it... when Wal-Mart destroys all of the businesses in a small town or Starbucks forces coffee shops to close, that's okay by everyone here, but if Sony misprints a single word in an article, the end is neigh and Sony are evil corporate #$!@&*!-heads? Does no one else see the irony in that?


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@Matt - Hate to rub it in, but check this out:

http://www.gwn.com/articles/article.php/id/850/title/PlayStation_3_Supply_Surpasses_Demand.html

Cue to stack of PS3 boxes unsold. 75 queries for Wii's in a day, with 2 queries for PS3s. Okay, no more making fun of Sony for--- let's see---- 30 minutes

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Quote: "but if Sony misprints a single word in an article"


Much more than a misprint. If you win an emmy, you're told explicitly what for. They don't leave you in the dark about it. This is just blatant lying, not a misprint.

Quote: "when Wal-Mart destroys all of the businesses in a small town or Starbucks forces coffee shops to close"


Boo hoo. Who cares about coffee anyway? I mean, we care about Sony because we're into games and game dev'ing. I'm sure if we were all interested in coffee shops, we would care about Starbucks. But we don't.


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Looks like we're not the only ones:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net

All hail Maddox, etc etc.

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Well the real success will come in the titles each system sells, last report I saw on G4 was Wii at 3.2 titles per system sold and Ps3 at .8 titles per system sold. Seeing that Sony is already losing money on the systems (exact amount not known, I have seen reports of close to $250 per system and some around $145 per system, I think the $145 is more likely as some sites like to inflate numbers to the max not Sony's actual costs), if they do not pick up their title sales they will crash bad. As for the US market, remember that the Wii sales are almost identicle to the amount shipped, where ps3 sales are well below the amount they shipped, one could conclude that had more Wii's been shipped more would have sold. As much as we in the US like to think we are top dogs, Japan is the market that matters most.

So points will be; Blue ray will fail vs HD-DVD and if Sony does not up their title sales they will see a loss of anything exclusive as developers move to consoles where they can sell more copies of their titles.

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@David R - You don't understand. Matt has issues with companies who become too large and make too much profit

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I've seen this article recently, and at first it had me worried... until I found out that the Wii is experiencing the same thing in stores as well. Here in Binghamton, I've contacted a number of local retailers to find out how they were selling against each other, and it's a "see-saw" at a number of stores... Circuit City told me they had around nine PS3s but were sold out of the Wii, while the Best Buy in Syracuse said they have around six Wii's but "haven't had a PS3 touch their shelves in months." I tried to call Wal-Mart but they wouldn't tell me (god I hate Wal-Mart). Target doesn't seem to be carrying either console (but they have games for both), at least locally anyway. And I've heard similar stories all around the country from "internet friends." It does seem the Wii's supplies are a bit lower than the PS3 supplies in the stores that have them (usually a difference of 5 to 10 units or less from what I've seen and heard), but still, I can easily get my hand on either console right now. Call the stores in your local area... I guarantee you'll find some stores that are sold out of the Wii, and some stores that are sold out of the PS3. The heated shortage war isn't quite over yet, but it's definitely winding down for both consoles, and I think the NPD study proves that

Edit: No, I don't have a problem with companies who make too much profit, I have a problem with companies who do that through evil means. Crapping on your employees, manufacturing your goods in sweatshops, and burning down any store who might put up a small degree of opposition is FAR more evil than misprinting some stuff about a controller in an article that maybe 50,000 people might end up reading. I agree that Sony was wrong here, but seriously, if Microsoft did this (and I'm sure they have) I'm wondering if a thread would be made about that.


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My friend and I went to every single department store in my city, Menomonie, Wis., and a bigger city, Eau Claire, Wis. Eau Claire is 60,000 people and has a Target, WalMart, Kmart, Best Buy, and Shopko. And a mall. So, we went to every single store looking for a Wii, or even a new remote, because we need another one for his system. We could't find a single thing. However, there are about 10 PS3 machines sitting at Best Buy and 2 or 3 at all of the department stores that hold them. And there are PS3 controllers everywhere. So now just to get one I am going to have to go to a store a few hours before they open when they get a new shipment of Wiis in. Fun. And worth it.

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Quote: "Actually I'd suggest you view the statistics I put in a previous thread argument about this.

Sony PRODUCED 11.4 Million Units between 2001-2002, the period when it was available worldwide.

Their actual sales, was recorded to be closer to 8million units. So no; even at the same lifecycle period in all regions, Sony are still being beaten by Microsoft.

Which doesn't matter one bit, given within <8weeks (2months) Nintendo have reached the unpresidented target of 4million units."


I don't know what thread you're talking about.

And the word Sony uses is SHIPPED, not produced. There is a difference. And I know the difference between the word Sold and the word Shipped. Except the way its used is arbitrary. Both words mean, sent to retailers. So, Sony SHIPPED 10 million PS2's to retailers one year after its release (Mar 2001, with 5 months in the US, and 4 in Europe), and while Microsoft claims they've "sold" 10 million Xbox 360s, lots of interviews with employees from Microsoft will admit, they "sold" 10 million to retailers, not to consumers.

(http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_6_Million_Xbox_360s_Sold/1161904433)

(^Like this nonsense. The difference between "selling" and "shipping". Shipping means you actually have inventory, selling means you got paid for inventory whether you have it or not. Kind of like how I can sell a book to someone before its printed, and SHIPPED to them.)

I don't know what you are talking about. If you want to talk about the number of PS2s shipped between 2001 and 2002, lets do it. At the end Dec. 2000, there were 6.5 million PS2s on the market. At the end of 2002, there were 50 million PS2s on the market. Do math, and Sony "produced" 43.5 million PS2s during 2001 to 2002, with it being releasd worldwide.

No really, subtract 8 months of European "sales" from the Xbox 360 and 7 months of the US sales from the Xbox 360, then you'll have a more reliable figure. Whether or not Sony "sold" 10 million or 8 million, the Xbox 360 will still have a lower number.

Quote: "That is just complete crap.
I've had a quick look to try and find the PR on microsoft.com but can't seem to for the moment;

24million units total sold (not including Holidays 2006)
1.5 million prior to Worldwide release in Q4-2001
6 million worldwide PR Dec31-2002 (UK, Australia, US, and Japan)

So unless the rest of the world makes up another 4million which I highly doubt; then Microsoft didn't even come close to their new target."


Yeah okay, kind of like how Microsoft reports that they sold 6 million Xbox 360s as of September 2006, and we're supposed to believe they sold 4 million more in 3 months, more than half of what they did in 1/4 the time. Sure...

According to interviews, Microsoft projected the Xbox to sell 9 to 11 million units a year after its release, and they met the goal. The Xbox also didn't have a full year release in all regions during that time, yet they managed to meet around the same goal as the Xbox 360.



Quote: "Much more than a misprint. If you win an emmy, you're told explicitly what for. They don't leave you in the dark about it. This is just blatant lying, not a misprint."


Yeah, and I'm sure Sony exces were twisting their mustaches saying "Ooooo... I wonder how many people will be impressed before everyone figures out this is a lie and more people begin hating us."
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And yet we are supposed to believe what sony says, not microsoft? Seriously

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Believe both, and the 360 is not doing better than the PS2 did. Believe neither and its still not. Believe Microsoft only, and its still not. So I don't care.
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Thats great, kthx for you opinion. Back on topic... This was shameless, how could they do it?!

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