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Geek Culture / Sony--- just shameless

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Antidote
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Posted: 1st Feb 2007 00:14
Thank you for your insight Kevin Picone...


Hobgoblin Lord
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Posted: 1st Feb 2007 04:39
Well looking around the reports seem to be varied on this some saying he got it, some not. This is the original court documents filed on the guys behalf. Guess it was 7,000,000 points, and he actually bought the remaining points. This document came from the court tv website.



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Posted: 2nd Feb 2007 21:36
Quote: "But I seriously think game companies should be fined and punished some way if they flat out lie to the consumer (and it's proven that the intent was to lie). Showing pre-rendered footage and claiming it's in-game is intent to lie. We have marketing laws here in Canada where an advertiser is not allowed to flat out lie in a commercial, so it should be the same for E3, etc."


First of all, intent to lie doesn't cause physical damage to anyone, especially during a non-advertised event. If you someone were "hurt" by the footage shown, you have issues. Any court that awards damages to someone because they were lied to is ludicrous. You could win money based on things that caused you no harm. Something I highly doubt is allowed to happen in Canada. i.e. Every single person who watches an advertisement that "lies" to them is allowed to collect damages even if they didn't buy the product being advertised.

Second, there is a law that prevents companies from flat out lying to the consumer. Its called fraud, which is what you meant. Except the situation doesn't apply here. The pre-rendered footage didn't cause anyone to lose anything valuable, which is the definition of fraud. In order for Sony to be accused of fraud, a product must be sold, an unequal exchange of value must occur, and there needs to be intent to cause an unequal exchange in value. The problem is that didn't happen, and most likely won't. Unless of course Killzone 2 is put out on the market without any other screenshots, movies, or information being released about it. But that won't happen. Everyone will, or should, be aware of what Killzone 2 will look like before buying it.
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Posted: 2nd Feb 2007 23:18
Just saw this and had to post it



Bizar Guy
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Posted: 2nd Feb 2007 23:52 Edited at: 2nd Feb 2007 23:53
@Krilik, when I read your first post, all I could think was . Then I read your second one and was relieved you had remembered about fraud. And you're right, it doesn't apply here. Still, it's false advertising, which could have been sued for back when certain laws were still enforced, but not really important. There are much worse cases of false advertising these days anyways.

Edit: NIce pic.

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Posted: 3rd Feb 2007 00:21
Hahaha, Sony and HMV decided the console wasn't expensive enough, so now you can only get a pre-order if you buy it with a PSP:

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=72601

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Posted: 14th Feb 2007 15:18
Oh, Sony, what has become of thee:

http://www.mcvuk.com/Sony-sales-boss-quits-ahead-of-PS3-launch

This just after Phil Harrison claimed that PS3 had the most successful launch ever "by any standard" - except, erm, attach rate where it is the worst of all time.

And also claimed that Motorstorm "exceeded target renders".

Yes, he *actually* said that.
This is Phil Harrison. The bearable one. He said THAT.

Go play with your ducks Phil.

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Van B
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Posted: 14th Feb 2007 15:52
I can see the 360 having a good year, I mean GoW is a great start, damn good game and games like that sell consoles - then we have Halo3 fairly soon too, and Crackdown. Just thinking that 6 months ago there was nothing really worth bothering with on 360, now it's really showing promise.

The Wii is going slow right now, we need some killer titles soon, or at least something impressive to look at. I don't see why Miyamoto doesn't do the decent thing, and start on Pimin3, the control scheme on the Wii would match that game perfectly (target with the mote, move with the nunchuck). Right now there's a couple of good games on Wii, but we have that annoying wait until good software filters through the language barrier on top of waiting on the games to come to fruition.

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 18:46 Edited at: 15th Feb 2007 18:47
You can now get PS3s from Amazon.co.uk

As in, you still can.
To put this in perspective, Wii sold out in about 7 minutes, and you still can't get them from Amazon.

I would now like to lay claim to the right to post the "You were wrong Matt Rock" thread.

Hell, let's all post them!

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Zappo
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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 22:06 Edited at: 15th Feb 2007 22:19
Quote: "As in, you still can."

They aren't yet out in the UK, besides did you read the page?
"We are currently unable to offer this item... We expect to have more PlayStation 3 consoles available for pre-order during Friday 16 February."
Sounds to me like the original batch for preorder have all been sold.

Edit: Actually, this makes a nice change for Amazon to stop taking peoples orders when they know they won't have the stock. In my experience they normally just keep taking orders and sending out emails saying the delivery has been delayed by X weeks.
NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 22:17
Quote: "giving the PlayStation 3 system supercomputer-like power"


..erm yeah, pity they gave it the equivalent of a dragster engine and a mini cooper gearbox in terms of processor and memory speed.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 23:22
OK they finally sold them all...
They would have got less than the number of Wiis they got...

So that makes it about 100 times less popular.

Seriously, Amazon is the number one retailer, Sony would have wanted them to sell out in minutes (like the Wii did).

If they think people are going to be camping out in the numbers they did elsewhere, they will be sorely disappointed.

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 23:28
Quote: "They would have got less than the number of Wiis they got..."
Do you know for certain? Besides, Amazon do have a history of overselling their stock numbers.
Quote: "Seriously, Amazon is the number one retailer"
Is this true? The number one retailer in the UK for games console hardware?
Quote: "If they think people are going to be camping out in the numbers they did elsewhere, they will be sorely disappointed."
Camping out at an online retailer? I'd like to see that
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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 10:26
You know what, you're right - Amazon only ever got ONE Wii, no wonder it sold out so quickly.

And they got a BILLION PS3s.

This isn't embarrassing for Sony at all.
Thanks for clearing that up.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 17:29 Edited at: 16th Feb 2007 17:30
You couldn't make it up

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 17:40
Quote: "And they got a BILLION PS3s."

A billion?

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 17:42
^ Someone who didn't get it. ^

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 18:27
I love how numbers 1-4 of the top 25 best selling items are Wii items, with the Wii sitting at number 3.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 20:42
When your previous generation system is selling better than your current generation, you know there's something wrong with that.


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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 20:52
Quote: "^ Someone who didn't get it. ^"

I didn't, and I'm sure 999,999,999 others didn't get it also.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2007 03:44
If you're still looking for a Wii, remember Matt Rock said there are Wii's left on shelves in his area in New York, but the PS3s are all sold out. Hmmmmm

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Posted: 18th Feb 2007 00:55 Edited at: 18th Feb 2007 01:10
Quote: "You couldn't make it up"

Edit: Removed original post. Just realised your link goes to page 2!

As its updated hourly, the current most popular consoles (as in right now on Amazon) is:

1) Wii (which is odd considering you can't actually buy one or even add it to your cart as they are out of stock?!)
2) Nintendo DS Lite (Onyx Black) (again its odd because you can't actually buy one or add it to your cart because they are out of stock)
3) Nintendo DS Lite (Polar White) (can't actually buy one or add it to your cart because they are out of stock)
4) XBox 360
5) Nintendo NES System (thats right... the original NES?!) (can't actually buy one or add it to your cart because they are out of stock)
6) Nintendo DS Lite (Coral Pink) (can't actually buy one or add it to your cart because they are out of stock)
7) Playstation 3 (60Gb) (can't actually buy one or add it to your cart because they are out of stock)
8) Playstation 2 (Slimline)

I am not sure this chart is entirely useful
Edit 2: That is just a list of viewed items and NOT sold items, so I guess it makes a little more sense, but still... the NES?!
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Posted: 18th Feb 2007 05:58
Quote: "but still... the NES?! "


Makes sense actually, alot of the kids who had them have grown up, probably a little more settled in life with kids of their own and Nostalgia kicks in. I know that Toys R Us had some of the new NES version (from several years ago actually) just before christmas.

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