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Dave J
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God, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. How can nobody else see the major flaw in switching them around?!?! The whole point of the first number in this way is to show you what page you're currently on. Now what I believe you're saying is you change it around so the checkbox shows the current page and the second (FIXED) number shows the last page. So it would read:

Current Of Total

All well and good, but that eliminates the whole point of the fixed number anyawy. The fixed number is supposed to tell us the CURRENT page not the TOTAL. What if someone accidentally changes the checkbox? They could quite easily forget what page they're on. And what use is the Fixed Total number? If they wanted to see the total they could open the checkbox and see the last number in the list.

In addition, like The Winch says, the point of the checkbox in the current method is to quickly jump to the last page. In your method they would have to change the checkbox before pressing "go", trivial but not as trivial as making it more readable. It's either readability or usability. Personally I say make it more usable.


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I believe you are correct about something at last - you are taking crazy pills!

Quote: "The fixed number is supposed to tell us the CURRENT page not the TOTAL."

And why exactly is it important that the current page is fixed? - IT ISN'T!
While viewing a thread you cannot change how many pages there are in total but you can change which page to view, so, to have the current page fixed is illogical.

Quote: "What if someone accidentally changes the checkbox?"

Then the page will change and they will realise they have done something accidentally.

Quote: "They could quite easily forget what page they're on."
No they couldn't, because it says which page your on at the top and bottom of the page in the very message we are discussing.

Quote: "And what use is the Fixed Total number? If they wanted to see the total they could open the checkbox and see the last number in the list."
Surely any fool can see what is wrong with that statement.

Quote: "In your method they would have to change the checkbox before pressing "go""
Wrong again. In my method there would be no need for the 'go' button.

Quote: "It's either readability or usability. Personally I say make it more usable"
And there it is - clear evidence of your 'crazy pills'. How can anything be more usable if you can't read it?

My method is both usable and readable.

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God, I can't believe I kept calling it a checkbox, I meant combobox.

Quote: "Wrong again. In my method there would be no need for the 'go' button."


But you still have to change the combobox. Clicking 'Go' is so much easier.

Quote: "And there it is - clear evidence of your 'crazy pills'. How can anything be more usable if you can't read it?"


You can still read it, it just makes more sense your way. Essentially your complaints lie in the fact that when you change the page in the combobox it reads incorrectly. Who honestly gives a damn? You're going to change the page anyway, who is going to go, "shock horror, for the half a second it took me to click the 'go' button, it read incorrectly! My life is now ruined!" - This whole suggestion is as trivial as it gets.


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Quote: "But you still have to change the combobox. Clicking 'Go' is so much easier."

Now you are picking at straws. Is it really that much easier?

Quote: "it just makes more sense your way"

Hooray! You've seen sense at last

OK, I'm not going to quote your last paragraph but I will answer it with an example:
I maintain/repair and install Jet engines in fighter aircraft for a living. What would happen if I connected the control rods for the Throttle assembly the wrong way around? The engine would still work and the aircraft would still fly but the pilot would have to pull the throttle towards him to increase thrust instead of pushing it away.
As long as the pilot knows that it is the wrong way aroung then
Quote: "Who honestly gives a damn?"
It still works right?

It's called professionalism.

My example may be a little extreme but the principle is the same. The way it is at the moment is illogical and yet there is a simple way to fix it, so, in the interests of professionalism - fix it.

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Quote: "My example may be a little extreme but the principle is the same."


VERY extreme.


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Posted: 26th Jan 2004 14:33 Edited at: 26th Jan 2004 18:48
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Quote: "The way it is at the moment is illogical and yet there is a simple way to fix it, so, in the interests of professionalism - fix it."


I can't honestly see what changing it would solve. It would make some forum users feel better at the expense of usability and it would look funny with a combo box and button in the middle of a sentance.

edit: changed can to can't
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I have to disagree entirely (presuming, of course, that you mean can't and not can) there would be no loss of usability, in fact it would be more usable because it would become more logical and therefore more intuative.

As for 'looking funny', it looks no funnier either way - look:

now:


proposed:


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When people use 1 of 3, the first number is the current page, the last number is the total. The number showing in the combobox is the current page - the fixed number is the total. Scraggle is right.

The combobox should say the current page - it's really very simple.

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Quote: "The combobox should say the current page - it's really very simple."


Why, what page do you want to go to the most often, the current page or the last one. Why change it so you have to mess with a combo box when you could just click a button.

If anything it should change to
page <current page> or <total pages>. Goto page <combo box> <go button>
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Can Rich ban me form just the team request forums. I just need to stop luring myself in.



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The_Winch - That's exactly what I've been saying. Thank god at least someone else can see the logic in what I'm saying lol.

Quote: "Scraggle is right."


It's not a matter of right or wrong, it's a matter of personal opinion.


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My final proposal:


This is logical, usable, readable and you still only have to click one button to get to the last page

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indeed

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While we're talking about rearranging links, here's something that's been annoying me for quite a while:

I'll be browsing a forum, eg the General Talk forum, and i want to get back to the main page of the forums. So i click the "top" button at the top of the page... wait for it to load... then hit myself over the head with a brick when I realise I've hit the wrong button and i've went to the same page I was on.

I think it's kinda silly having a link to a page on the page it's linking to.

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Posted: 30th Jan 2004 02:17 Edited at: 30th Jan 2004 02:18
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Quote: "

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I like that! It seems much more logical.


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On the general talk board, you can see Ge3ri posted the last post in Luminescence 3D Professional Lightmapper, but it was deleted. I think that should not be like that.


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I already said something about that. It seemed to be ignored


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I have a suggestion: lameness filter. Offending posts should be automatically deleted, and the author should be forced to have a Kermit the Frog avatar for the rest of the month.

Some people:

-Feel the need to put exclamation marks after!!!!!!!! every!!!!!!!!!! word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Say pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease as though their keyboard is very sticky.

- Don't know where the shift key is on the keyboard (i made a sphere on a matrix engine i think it is really cool)

- Can't spell (thier / suchas)

The worst offender is...

- p30p13 wh0 typ3 in Hax0R 1anguag3


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]-[OW!!!!!!! @BU0T!!!!!! P30P3L!!!!1 HO0!!!!1 T@LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLK!!!!! L1K3333333!!!!!! TH15?!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: ACK!!! Lookit my avatar!!!! <-----

Hehe. Seriously though, I'd be happy if you'd just fix things like what Damokles mentioned above (showing a last post thats been deleted) and fix how there's a difference between the number of posts on a thread and the number of posts it says in the forum view.

Thats all we really want.
Some fuuuun! Oh, when the working day is done....
sorry.

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Another idea that springs to mind - a kind of system for the Team Requests. If a team request isnt up to par with detail, a moderator can stick a 'Unapproved' tag on the name (like FLAIMBAIT) And on the flip side, if someone made a good post, a moderator could put a green "Approved" tag in the name.

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That would work


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have it when they post a new post in TR, they fill out a form rather than just post:

Name of Project:

Programmed in:

Story:

need--
Programmers:
3D modlers:
etc:

Extra comments:

or something like that

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That would be a really good idea, then bad team requests would be impossible! ESPECIALLY if we had a screenshots part and made it required...


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How about change the team request board altogether? Like, there's a button that says "Post New Team Request" then it takes you to a form that you have to fill up with info and whatnot. Then you post that instead of some one liner. A team request generator.

EDIT: I'm sorry. I am so blind!!!

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After these last few days, I think there needs to be something done with the team requests, and the general section.

You shouldn't be able to make a team request unless you're proven that you have success.(At least a codebase entry to contribute!)

That's why I'll always be in favor of a points/kudos/ranking system to keep order in the team request section.

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As for the general section. Give mods the ability to delete posts.



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lol notice Team Requests keep recurring in this thread, ie:

Suggestion
Suggestion
Team Requests
Suggestion
Suggestion
Team Requests

etc.

lol, the same suggestions for team requests keep getting posted over and over. I just found that amusing.


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@Rob K

Quote: "p30p13 wh0 typ3 in Hax0R 1anguag3"


Its called l33t (or l337, or 1337, or ....), and it should only be used in cs or some other game when you are trying to tell them that j00 0wnz +h3m. Or in Megatokyo.

Team requests should be limited to one request per user, and they cna delete their old ones to make a new one. Simple.

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Quote: "lol, the same suggestions for team requests keep getting posted over and over. I just found that amusing."


Yea, I like to keep it fresh every 2 or 3 pages

I am serious about some kind of restrictions for team requests though. It's very rare that people can request a team the first day they join a forum and be successful.



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Its called l33t (or l337, or 1337, or ....), and it should only be used in cs or some other game when you are trying to tell them that j00 0wnz +h3m"


Yes, I know that, sadly I have a friend who keeps pointing that out to me. (At 13:37PM who can guarantee that he will quip "its the 1337357 time of the day" )


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They should make the forums more like the Eternal Destiny forums. They look so cool and have a ranking system.

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We have a CodeBase, where people can put their code for free.
My suggestion is here (I know it takes much more space), could we have a ModelBase, a TextureBase, A SpriteBase and a SoundBase ?

(I suppose I don't need to explain what they are for)


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I like Damokles' idea a lot! I also back up yellow on the kudos/ranking system. I reckon it could be a combination of certain things that adds up to the ranking, not just posts posted/kudos. Maybe like...

+ number of codebase entries
- number of codebase entries deleted (maybe something to add)
+ number of posts (minus general section)
- number of deleted 'unappropriate' posts
+ kudos (but no demerit system)
+ showcase entry downloads?
+ extra for ranking in comps
etc...

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maybe, for the posts number, if you help someone, the threadstarter and / or mods can give you kudos...
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A points/kudos system would only get people addicted to posting.

Then we could equate The Game Creators to a tobacco company! Yay! Just kidding...

Yeah, I don't think it's worth a points system. Let's just leave it the way it is.


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Quote: "maybe, for the posts number, if you help someone, the threadstarter and / or mods can give you kudos... "


And possibly take away Kudos for terrible avatars...


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lol
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Quote: "Yeah, I don't think it's worth a points system. Let's just leave it the way it is."


But a well designed system could encourage people to post helpfully .

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And a poorly designed system could encourage people to spam limitlessly .


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and then, if they spam, mods can give them negative kudos, and at a certain point, they are automaticly temporarily banned
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Mattman - That was like my idea.

I wish mods could mute users (where they can post but no one can see the posts) because I have a few people that I wouldnt mind muting for a few days


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My point is, even though forums are cool - they're addicting enough as it is! Adding a points/kudos system would only get people more addicted.

Coming from the guy who codes once every three days, but posts here once every three minutes...


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Quote: "And a poorly designed system could encourage people to spam limitlessly"


Well, you would design the system well!

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Is it just me or has the [last page] thing stopped working on this thread?


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Yeah, the mods have already told us its a problem with the sql database and handling deleted posts.

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it has stopped working, they should do somehing aboutr that

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They will...


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I think an interesting feature to implement, would be to have a little icon beside each forum board name that said how many people are looking at that current board. Would be kinda nice, and helpful so you can see how spread out the forum is, or when there's a hot-topic and everyone is flooding to one board.



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So when is Apollo 2004 going to be ready?


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This has probely been suggested already...but...

A button you can push that will show only the topics that you have posted on.

Click it and it gets the list of all the topics that you have posted on and sorts them by the most recently posted. So you can see if your answer to someones question acually helped them or not...

...I tend to lose track...

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