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Zotoaster
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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 01:57
Dazzag took the words out of my mouth.

Also, very important, avoid the notorious Friend-Zone *Hides*

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:00 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 02:01
Well, Drew, here's how I see it...

1. Most guys I know have barely hit puberty; they don't have muscle.

2. The guys that DO have muscle are stubborn, inconsiderate jerks; girls don't like them. In fact, many people HATE them. All they do is talk about how they've made out with x people in the last week, then dumped them right after.

3. We don't have rugby here.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:00
Oh God...FRIEND ZONE! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

And Dazzag is spot on too.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:02 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 02:03
Well AndrewT, WHY have these guys made out with X girls last week? Because the girls fancy them.

I think that pretty much proves me right.

But what if you could be the muscley guy who ISN'T a jerk? That could be YOU, Andrew T. The guy who they like and find attractive. It's not impossible.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:02
Quote: "Now take that a step further, and get into ABOVE average shape. I'M NOT SAYING ARNIE SHAPE NECCESARILY, just hit the gym and get a bit of strength up. You're gonna be more attractive, right? By your own logic, that holds true."

I'd rather concentrate on something more important in life than vanity.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:02
Quote: "Dazzag took the words out of my mouth"
Oddly similar to something from earlier tonight... mwahahahah...

Quote: "Also, very important, avoid the notorious Friend-Zone *Hides*"
Almost totally agree. I have been totally devastated for ages in the past with this type of situation, but on the other hand I've had one which actually worked. Really. Didn't think it was possible. Almost not though, so will go with your advice 99%. They think you are their brother after a while. While you think of them like a sister too, they just happen to be your sister you want to ****. Plus with that sort of timescale you can totally fall for them big style. And if it backfires then there goes one of your best friends. Forever.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:04
Well, Drew, I can work out all I want, but...

1. I'm not even gonna start building muscle for about a year.
2. The guys that I was talking about are tall. Wayy tall. I'm not, and no amount of working out will change that.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:06 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 02:07
Quote: "I'd rather concentrate on something more important in life than vanity."


Well, you do that, and I'll enjoy my girlfriend feeling me up every time I see her - after over a year - and other good stuff that follows, and getting phone numbers, winks, smiles, attention at work, at the gym, in town, on the bus etc.

Oh, how truly empty I feel.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:09
Yes, you continue attracting shallow bitches that'll use you, while I'll try to avoid them.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:10
Don't really agree with the muscular thing. I agree that is all some women want, much like some women only want money, and some want a b**tard etc etc. But most women like a general type. Yeah, total fatso is normally totally out with 99% of half decent women, but also being confident or pretty large (as in large set rather than total fatty) can also appeal.

Best looking girl I've ever seen in my life was going out with the most confident man I've ever known. But he was bald with a big beer belly. Used to be a bouncer though (massive bloke) and could chuck people around like beer cans. Great to be friends with him

Remember that apparently you just have to get a girl to even slightly weigh you up for potential boyfriendism (?), and both of your pheremones start kicking in overtime to each other. Basically you start liking each other more and more. Have you ever noticed that sometimes you can think, "She's ok, nothing special, but I would probably do her (you are a bloke)", and if she shows the slightest interest that turns over a few days into "she's the hottest thing ever. I love her!!!!". Apparently thats what it is. At least that what I read a while back.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:11 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 02:12
Benjamin: You make the error here, that I can't appeal to a ladies animal instincts and her personality, which I can. That sounds like a 100% win to me! Swish.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:14
Oh, and once you are old enough then have a drink first (ie. one or two pints of alcohol, not a complete bevvy). Honest to god, if you don't have natural confidence then most people make up for it with a couple of pints. Works wonders. If you are in the US, then come to the UK. 18 to drink in a pub there. Plus the girls will totally dig your accent

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:17
I'm still not buying this muscle thing, yes muscles are an attractive feature on men, as are big boobs and a slim body on women. But to be honest, I know more girls that'll date a bloke they like to be with, rather than one that they want to look at with their shirt off. Because sad truth is, as you get older, you get less attractive, and that's what decent girls look for - okay they're no going to go for man-boob-zilla but you know, personality does go a long way with them when you're okay looking.

I mean yes, being muscular helps, but you know, I've spoken to girls and they seem to like a decent bloke more than a strong bloke - for some of them Mr Darcy is the ideal man. (Not because he's rich, but because he's sweet and decent) Strong and decent, I'm sure stand out more, but it doesn't stop the less strong from standing out from the crowd.

My friend Ben doesn't have much meat on him, but everybody loves him because he's a gentlemen and has no trouble getting the girl he wants.

I think it is all relative, yeah muscle works, so does being sweet, being a gentleman, being sporty, being supportive, being rich and the list goes on. I mean all attributes help getting a girl interested, but you know not all girls are interesting in all of the attributes including the muscles. Yes there is a shallowness to our human nature, but all of the women I look at I don't want to be in a relationship with.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:19 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 02:21
Quote: "I mean yes, being muscular helps"


There you go. You're pretty much on the ball, but you all seem to be making an assumption.

It's NOT muscles OR personality. It CAN BE BOTH!!!!!
All of your counter arguments are;

"Yes, good body helps, but being nice and kind are important too."

Yes, they are. They're all important. Except all the people with the brainy qualities neglect the brawn that is also important in making an ultimate male mate!

Get them both.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:20
Pride that dines on vanity, sups on contempt. ~Benjamin Franklin


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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:22
Quote: "they seem to like a decent bloke more than a strong blokep"
Yes, although these odds get better for the decent bloke as the woman gets older. Otherwise short ugly bald dudes would never get laid

I know this stunning girl at work who admitted all she wanted was Brad Pitt lookalikes when she was very young, but once she got to about mid twenties wanted the more decent bloke. Heh, she also said that blokes very rarely asked her out because of her looks (still amazing now she is 30). Could have mentioned that a few years earlier when I wasn't seeing someone...

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:22
I think people are jumping to the conclusion that muscles is all you need. Of course you need other qualities, but you cant read a persons personality when you take a glance at them, so give them something else to read

If I was a girl, I would think a little lanky geeky-looking guy would be pretty unconfident, whereas a bigger, more muscular (not where every muscle sticks out like a mountain of course) guy would have more confidence. And remember, to girls, confidence is sexy

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:24
Ok, anyone else now totally annoyed by Drew's constant showboating?

Seriously, we get it. You're ripped.... whoopdido! I still stick by personality over sheer muscles. Besides, I'm not ugly, so that's close enough for me.

@Dazzag,
Agree 100% Every girl is different, even if slightly. Probably the best AI I've ever seen!

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:27
Quote: "you all seem to be making an assumption"
And you are making the assumption that the best girl will always be the best looking one.

Get a programming job that involves mainly sitting down all the time and a bit commute, and do that 10 hours a day or so for 6 or 7 days a week for a decade or so to make sure you don't lose your job and you get higher in the company. Won't be seeing that Brad Pitt body (esp when you are a bit older) without serious dedication and no social life.

Anyways, as I said, friend of mine had the best looking girl ever, and he looked like a pudding. A very large pudding. Most confident man ever though. 2nd best looking girl ever went out with his mate. Totally covered in tattoos and probably 2nd most confident man I've ever met. Total nutter and really thin and wirey (not really muscular). Helped he was a total ninja sword (loads of them he had) martial art expert guy.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:28
Quote: ""Yes, good body helps, but being nice and kind are important too.""


Well, I don't mean to be pedantic, but I think this is a better version of your quote, though it's all relative to what kind of person you're looking for and what kind of relationship...

but

'Body helps, but being nice, kind, decent and fun are essential'

Of course, I'm looking for a girl that isn't interested 'body helps' so she can stomach me

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:29
Quote: "more muscular (not where every muscle sticks out like a mountain of course) guy would have more confidence"
There is another really good reason why men can be confident. Think about it...

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:33 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 02:33
You mean a bulge in the underpants? If so, the bigger ***** the bigger the ego....

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Quote: "You mean a bulge in the underpants?"


LOL, he's talking about the size of your hands


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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:34
Shall we settle with this - "Dont be ugly" ?



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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:35 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 17:30
Quote: "I still stick by personality over sheer muscles."


Again, picking it as an either or. Both is key. People miss out the second part there.

I'm sorry for showboating Dr Mannette. Honestly, I wish someone had come and told me all this stuff and saved me some heart ache.

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Quote: "I wish I'd done it the first time around is all. Saved myself a personal nightmare."


I highly doubt it would have stopped her. She was just a slut, nothing much else


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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:41
So drew your saying that you can be nice and shell like you. However the female species are all animals and would don't love you unless you are ripped. Because as we all know, women are all animals and do not possess these brains I keep hearing of...

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I'm done here. My point is: girls like 'fit' men more than their fat or weak counterparts. I've seen it first hand and it's been proven in research. Take it or leave it.

Whoever started this thread; try getting into shape to boost your confidence and chances.

That's all I really wanted to say I guess. Got lost in a bit of flaming there.

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Aww, now I feel bad. We all have our own stories like that, at least us dating guys out there. Drinks all around

Don't get me wrong, looks do count... man do they count. But I'm relying more on my personal qualities that will last me rather than my looks alone. Sure, they work well together till your 40, no longer slim, and balding.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:47
Osiris, I'm saying that the girl next door would rather hop into bed with Hercules than *Insert name of weak / unattractive person of choice*.

They might love you, but I bet if you were to get to the gym and get lifting a bit they wouldn't have many complaints. (Not YOU specifically, generic You )

All I have to say on it.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:47 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 02:48
[edit] oh you're done here, I'll leave it at that - just repeat myself in saying it's all relative to you and your situation.

But before all of that...you need some social skills and confidence...the hardest part of them all when you have none/little.

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What if your fat but strong like in a strong man competition, their normal bodies can't hold up all that muscle...so they need fat for support.

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Like Sumo Wrestlers? Well...whatever floats your boat.

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Quote: "What if your fat but strong like in a strong man competition"
What if a girl was fat just to have large boobs? I dont think so.

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I like female sumo wrestlers.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 02:54
No lol like on strong man competitions where they chuck a 50 gallon barrel filled with water as far as they can or something like that.



See there ^ Worlds strongest man. Apparently. Women must love him.

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I for one think sumo wrestlers...

Ok no... I can't even make a joke about it. It's too utterly disgusting >.<

Quote: "I like female sumo wrestlers."


I hope to God there isn't such a thing...

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"Women must love him."

No, because he looks fat. My definition of attractive here is muscular but lean. 'Ripped' if you want.

Don't be pedantic.

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Lol just having fun.

Average is what most girls are gonna get anyways.

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Ha ha, right. Sorry should have seen you were joking there. I like you Osiris, I'm not trying to flame or anything here. Sorry.

Man I'd better go to bed it's magic hour! (01:01)

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Lol I like you too drew...in a friendly way. I always though the magic hour was 11:11 to with or something.

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LOL

Man I REALLY need to go to bed evidently.

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@ Everyone







UR NOT COMEDIAN!

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Ok, read this all you crazy geeks and nerds.

Getting a girl is simple.

You have to attract them to you. Theres a series of impressions, and from there its all you.



The first impression is looks.
If you look stunningly amazing, go about your way doing your own thing, not bothering anyone, and barely talking. Girl's will come to you, and they will try to start a conversation.

If you look average: be quietly where you are, doing whatever. Shoot a few glances at her, and once you make eye contact once or twice, give a sharp head nod upwards, indicating your saying "hey" or "whats up". She'll either give the nod back and turn around, or continue to look at you. If she turns around, then you've failed for this time, try again with her the next day.
If she waits for you to say more, then its time for conversation.

Now, if you look ugly, or just not that good, theres only a few things you need to take care of.
Hair. Find a nice hair color, hair cut, and hair style.
Face. Get rid of pimples, acne, anything along the likes.
Glasses. Try contacts
Clothes. Ask a friend of yours that gets girls what kinda shirts/pants you should wear. Take a look at his wardrobe. DO NOT let your mother or aunt buy your clothes.
Shoes. If you don't got the money for the really nice shoes, your best chance is to get away with nice cheap shoes, or find a store thats on a big sale, and go for the grab with the nice ones.




Ok, its time for the second impression. Now that you have their attention, its time for conversation. What you say is VERY IMPORTANT!
Make sure your voice/tone of voice is alright.
Start with a simple, "what's up".
Then move on to open ended questions.
DO NOT USE 'YES OR NO' QUESTIONS.
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If there's a dance or football game or something or an event that most kids your age are going to, say, on friday; say "What ya doin on Friday?"
She'll then answer.
If shes going to one of those events, then say "ohh, cool, me too. Who are you going with?"
If she says nobody, say, "me neither."
If you think the vibes are right, ask "wanna go together?" and give a small smile. Not a creepy one. Dont creep her out.
If she says "yes" then its all you man, go get her.
Say "ok, great. do you have a cell? I can call you later to see when and where we can meet up"
If she doesnt have a cell, say "oh." and ask for another way to contact her, or make plans right then and there.
If she does, get her number, and thats the end. You got her
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Remember, the key is PATIENCE. It might not all happen on the first day. Dont rush it and make yourself look like an idiot.




Now, the third impression. Personality.
Be who you are. Do not pretend, do not fake.
Do not be nervous.

Be nice. Show that you care, or if you dont, act like it.
Listen to her. Talk with her. OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS.

From here its all up to you.







Good luck fellow geeks and nerds. I hope this helped


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UR NOT COMEDIAN!!

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Quote: "Not a creepy one. Dont creep her out."


I love it. do an Elvis lip. (Firefox changed "elvis" to pelvis...)

P.S.

What if they are a comedian DrewG? What then?

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Xeno, do you put this amount of effort into your schoolwork?

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What do you think.

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I'm a genius... I don't need effort for school

School's main purpose is to get me girlfriends.

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