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Jeku
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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 03:29 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 03:30
Quote: "Yes, you continue attracting shallow bitches that'll use you, while I'll try to avoid them."


Let me get this straight. A woman likes a guy's personality, but likes him all the more because he's muscular, and that makes her shallow? What dimension do you live in? This is reality, and I agree 100%.

If there are two women who have the same kickass personality that you really like, and one of them is a porker while the other is fit--- you are going to choose the fit girl (assuming everything else is the same). You know it's true.

And that doesn't make you shallow in any way. Since when did it become wrong to like somebody's body?

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 03:30
Three cheers for Jeku!

Finally someone on here who gets it.

And let's look at the evidence: Jeku is happily married ladies and gentlemen.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 03:31
I get it, but I'm not married

I have had a lot of girlfriends though.

Meh. Signatures. Lame :p
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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 03:32
Jeku: Looks like Johnny Bravo, Clever like Bill Gates, and married to an Asian - he's got it all! I would take his advice

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 03:34
Quote: "A woman likes a guy's personality, but likes him all the more because he's muscular, and that makes her shallow?"

No.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 03:41
But Jeku has a blue head...

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 04:02
Quote: "on msn"

Like its been said before, i'd say thats your problem.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 04:09
Quote: "If there are two women who have the same kickass personality that you really like, and one of them is a porker while the other is fit--- you are going to choose the fit girl (assuming everything else is the same). You know it's true.
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Duh.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 04:13
You can expect that from guys lol. Because of the two brains...

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 04:19
The eyes look south but the head points north...

Girls think the same way, by the way.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 05:51 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 05:54
Ok, ok, I'll admit that Drew has a point. But honestly...I would NOT look good if I was muscular. I'm a teenage boy that has dark, long hair, tight clothes, and wears skateboarding shoes. If I was muscular, I would look odd. In fact, I can almost guarantee you that less girls would like me if I was muscular.

Face it guys, MOST girls DO feel more attracted (at first) to muscular guys than non-muscular guys, but not all of us can be like that, nor do we want to.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 06:17 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 06:24
Honestly? You just made a post on a forum full of programmers, gamers, fanboys, and arithmeticians, asking why you get rejected for asking girls out, over MSN ?

Is this a rhetorical question?

Seriously... can we stop posting things like "how do I get a girlfriend", "I just fell in love", "i just got a girlfriend omgwtflawl"? It's making me really regret using these forums... one of the reasons I've almost stopped completely.

<Edited out the part I thought James said but really Andrew said. Andrew... advice still applies here... Dressing emo isn't going to help>

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 06:22 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 06:24
I think you're mistaking me for James cuz of my avatar. He never described himself as a scrawny emo kid.

But dude, Ruccus really does have a point. While we have tried to help you as much as possible, the best thing you can do is talk to this girl in person. Become friends, ask her out. If she says yes, yay, if she says no, life goes on.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 06:23
Also shave facial hair off people. Unless you are actually a rugged looking man it just looks stupid, ive seen people who think they look godd even when there is food caught in their hair...they don't. Also get a haircut you damn hippies (always wanted to say that) because guys look like girls with long hair, it looks dumb.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 06:26 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 06:27
Haha, Osiris, I would get a haircut...that is, I would get a haircut, if I wasn't complimented on my hair about 15 times a day.

And people, please don't mistake me for James, the guy that this thread is about in the first place.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 06:28
Quote: "Also get a haircut you damn hippies (always wanted to say that) because guys look like girls with long hair, it looks dumb."

Short hair is gay.

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Woot! Go Benjamin!

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 06:49
Quote: "You can't keep looking like you do forever, but your personality won't change as much. That's fundamental for someone you want to spend the rest of your life with.
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What are you gonna do when she hits the big 50 and you're a face full wrinkles and flappy skin?"


We’re in a forum that’s primarily young people. The odds of you spending the rest of your life with your first, second, third or forth girlfriend are next to none. If you’re 18 and you settle for someone unattractive because “you’re both gonna get old and fat anyway” then something is not right.

Who gives a crap? Pursue hot girls while you look fine. Take up Buddhism and tea ceremony when you’re old.

It’s kinda funny how people saying you don’t need a decent body to attract hot women are probably the ones lacking this specific body. Drew is in a long term relationship with a hot girl…maybe you could listen to him.

Man, where is Cash when you need him.

I’m not trying to be an ass and degrading the guys saying the muscle thing is not that important but…how in shape are you guys? I do not know a single guy with a good body who will tell you that having that body didn’t bring him good things in life. And no, I’m not talking about a jacked bodybuilder body. Stop bringing that up.

It’s the same common statement from people who do not like working out or exercising. I know people don’t enjoy feeling like they don’t know anything in areas others are good at. So you’re not built...but going around saying you’ve got better stuff to do is just funny to the rest of us who train/workout. Ok, go do your stuff on the computer. Yes we know you’re very good at that…great for you. Tell the ladies that.

Sorry, just standing for my homefry Drew here.

Quote: "I would NOT look good if I was muscular."


No comment. Please leave the building.

p.s

If anyone is familiar with the book “The game”, then that’s a good alternative if you’re frustrated and having trouble with girls.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 07:06
Quote: "because guys look like girls with long hair, it looks dumb."


Every girl I know has either liked to play with my hair or has passed me compliments about it. My hair is about down to my shoulders.

Also... I used to have short hair, but I looked like I had Downs Syndrome. So no more short hair for me.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 07:08
Quote: "We’re in a forum that’s primarily young people. The odds of you spending the rest of your life with your first, second, third or forth girlfriend are next to none. If you’re 18 and you settle for someone unattractive because “you’re both gonna get old and fat anyway” then something is not right.

Who gives a crap? Pursue hot girls while you look fine. Take up Buddhism and tea ceremony when you’re old."


Finally! Megaton and Drew are right, people. It seems, IMO, that this emphasis on "looks only appeal to shallow people" is a sign that the general population of this forum wants an excuse to eat McDonalds while sitting in front of the computer 24/7!

Just my 2 cents.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 07:16
In all manners of the word fit, I am not qualified. I do exercise, albeit not enough to build muscle mass. No, I'm a weak scawny guy, but I am thin and not bulky.

As I said, I don't want to rely on my body, since it's not always going to look "hot"; which is a word that can describe many people, not just big boob girls and muscled guys. =/

So yea, I'm not saying a good looking body doesn't work or that because I'm obviously not built like Drew that I scorn guys who get girls because of it. Aikicat, you are completely right.

I still think, however, personality/feelings/whatever is eventually going to do you better in the long run. Of course a great body AND personality are the one two punches of relationships, and girls and guys love hot guys and girls. Once again, down to preference and what the person values.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 07:20
I'm with Dr Manette on this.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 07:22 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 07:25
Okay, I'm going to describe to you two typical people at my school...

1: The Weak, Skinny Guy that Actually Cares about Girl's feelings.
2: The Strong, Athletic Guy that goes through girls like Kleenex.

Guy #1 is the guy that has long-lasting relationships with girls that genuinely care about him.

Guy #2 is the guy that goes out with about 5 people each week. If he ever does get into a long lasting relationship, it's with a girl that'sm just dating him to brag about it to her friends.

Now, Drew here says you can be Smart and Caring (Guy 1) AND strong and athletic (Guy 2). That's wrong; at least where I live. If Guy 1 becomes strong and athletic, then he slowly becomes Guy 2. He becomes embarrased by the fact that he's smart and stops enjoying anything that involves intelligence, therefore losing his status as a #1. If you somehow manage to be both at the same time, jealous mobs of people will eat you alive until you choose sides. Yep, that's right; I can't be geeky, good-looking, coordinated, strong, and athletic all at the same time. Surprising, eh? It just doesn't happen.

Oh, and by the way, Drew, if you can point me to a girl that is tremendously hot, isn't slutty, and doesn't mind the fact that I'm a total computer geek, please do tell. Those kind of girls really don't exist around here.

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The day guys get bored of touching boobs/ass is the day teenage relationships start solely running on personality.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 07:26 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 07:27
Quote: "Yep, that's right; I can't be geeky, good-looking, coordinated, strong, and athletic all at the same time. Surprising, eh? It just doesn't happen."


That's only true if you give into peer pressure...

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 07:27 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 07:28
Quote: "The day guys get bored of touching boobs/ass is the day teenage relationships start solely running on personality."


Woa woa, when did anyone say that?!

Let's not misquote... sheesh.

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Wha????? If I tried to be muscular and geeky at the same time at my school, I'd be beaten up. Furthermore, girls would hate me because I would be trying to be someone I'm not; a muscular, athletic guy.

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We must all agree, there must be a committee to discover the true feelings of girls. I have computed that the it will have to be in session for 500 years to discover .01% of a girls complexity. Any takers?

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 08:09 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 08:10
Quote: "Wha????? If I tried to be muscular and geeky at the same time at my school, I'd be beaten up. Furthermore, girls would hate me because I would be trying to be someone I'm not; a muscular, athletic guy."


I think you just proved Dink's point. Seriously, no one's going to beat you up if you're a buff computer programmer.

At work alot of the guys I know are computer geeks. And quite a good portion of them work out, and a number of the ladies as well, you can easily be both and be contented. I never argued that point.

My point is that it shouldn't matter if you're buff or not, there's more to life than being totally hawt, and I wouldn't want a chick that's only with me because of it.


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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 10:14 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 10:23
Im back i live in england,so ive bin sleeping
ye if i ever get rich i meet sum one i wouldnt tell them i was rich but i will never meet sum one so there no problems for me

tis 8:15am here at england now
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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 13:30 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 13:30
Quote: " Yep, that's right; I can't be geeky, good-looking, coordinated, strong, and athletic all at the same time. "


You can be whoever the hell you want to be. And if you're worried that people might not like it, you need to toughen up. (Mentally).

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Quote: "You can be whoever the hell you want to be. And if you're worried that people might not like it, you need to toughen up. (Mentally)."


I agree. Giving in to peer pressure is pretty stupid, be who you want to be and the rest can go **** themselfes.

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I think if you have a good fitness and you actually love one another your fine. And asking her out face to face shows how strong you feel about her. Love is like...
1st Impression-"looks"
2nd Emotional-"How much you care about her"
3rd Asking out-"Face to Face"

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 13:49
Quote: "I like my girlfriends personality, but I would dump her if she weighed 30 stone. Appearances are half the deal, and that's fact."

Thats total nonsense. I'm nowhere near 'handsome', yet I got the girl. I never watched my physique and I'm well known for not really doing my hair in the morning.

The trick is to use whatever you háve in favor of yourself, in favor of yourself. This could be a great physique (I've got nothing even near that), a beautiful smile (not me), being friendly or caring (), being witty and humorous... ect. Even being a geek can be good if you do it the right way. I turned not doing my hair in some sort of nonchalant flair. Adapting to everyone won't help you. Be yourself, dare to be a bit different. It's the differences that stand out.

I've taken 'looks' from my list of 'how to assess people' totally, since I was 11 or so. Looks don't scare, influence or even give me an opinion of people anymore. I found my world really opened up to all sorts of subcultures and people after that. You'll find that this inbuilt mechanism to assess people based on how they look is, in fact, a limitation.

The point is, however, that looks usually start some way of talking; the only cure to this would be to start the conversation yourself (and although I never found that discomforting, I understand some others do).

While Drew makes some valid points, that instinct will get females to prefer muscular types, in the end its not your looks, but your behaviour that will get you there. If you have it all, it's great, but thinking about how you act, treat and behave with them will get you so much further. Also remember that looks, too, are relative to culture (for example, in some countries they might just prefer someone weighing 30 stones).

The remark that he'd drop his girlfriend if she was 30 stones... well, I wouldn't find that comforting. I wouldn't drop my girlfriend is she was half-burned to death, had no hair left and weighed 30 stones. Like said, I don't 'use' looks. They give wrong impressions, and the people around me know that. I might seem a bit odd at first, but I will start a conversation with you if I like you and I will find out the correct way to talk with you and treat you. I've got to a moment when four girls fancied me at once, but alas, I was in love with a fifth. After eight months of trying, we got together. .

So the keywords are (faking) self-confidence (I fake it, lol), 'offensive' behaviour (not as in 'beat her up', but as in 'you'll have to make a move'), being yourself and knowing the other. Well, actually, knowing the other and adapting to that (without losing yourself) will be enough to get most of the girls.

They say some girls are just plain shallow and will seem to require looks above anything. Well, if they're looking for love (not sex), you won't find that type of girl. They áll fall for the right approach (which is individual with each girl). If they're looking for sex exclusively, well, ofcourse they'll go for looks.

I've had one girlfriend in my life, and we're together for over a year now. I've been hearing girls (even some of the popular ones) admit they like me often enough. Without looks, without confidence and with my 'geek tendencies'.

Oh and, concerning the DD-breasts, it has been proven that in that case, size doesn't matter. The shape/form is more important, I understood. I agree.


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Quote: "Oh and, concerning the DD-breasts, it has been proven that in that case, size doesn't matter. The shape/form is more important, I understood. I agree."


Bwahaha! What have you been reading?!? If I can't climb in between them and hibernate, it's not worth my time!

But seriously, I hate to say it, it is all about physique and looks. Life sucks. It's the truth. Your personality will get you so far, your confidence will get you further, and then your looks will get you the whole nine yards.

People live under this misconception that they're completely unique and someone will fall in love with their unique personality. Unfortuntely, you're living in a bit of a dream world. That way you do jokes - other people do that too. That sensitive side - the things you'd do to be romantic? Other people do that too. The way you're crazy and unpredictable and spontaneous? Yes, other people are like that too. The whole package is unique, but the chance of finding someone who is looking for that exact package (i.e. your soulmate!) is pretty slim. Some people are lucky enough to find them easily. Most of us will spend out lives never finding them. And even if you do meet that person, initial physical attaction can give you the edge to get in there and show em what you're all about underneath and find out they're your soulmate. Otherwise they might walk on by.

Life really does suck and is unfair. And media etc. will continue to brainwash everyone into thinking (even if it's only subconciously!) that good looks and bodies are what's important. So media, combining with instinct. It's hard to counteract.

So, the best advice is to sell out. Be as fashionable as possible. Get the best possible haircut. Work out. Become a prime specimin. Get off your lazy arse. Then you have the benefit of quadrupling the amount of women you can initially engage with and THEN you have a chance of finding a goodun who you actually gel with on a meaningful emotional level.

She might even have DD breasts.


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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 14:28 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 14:31
Nailed it. Absolutely nailed it.

Girls like stronger, faster, bigger, more attractive smarter guys. It's fact. It's scientific, social fact.

You can go on about your wonderful personality. Go ahead, just rely on that. I hope you can sleep well when you're girlfriend is thinking about how hot that guy at the chip shop was. And I bet he's got a wonderful personality to boot. I wonder who she'll be rooting for next...

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Forget this looks YIPPA YAPPA! Its about your PERSONALITY more then what you LOOK like. Becuase you could be the most fit person out there and if you act like a jerk you won't carry on with the relationship.

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It's about BOTH.

You can have the best PERSONALITY in the world, but if you LOOK like a fat tard, she's not going near you. And if she does, she won't be fullfilled in that way.

And that's where people trip up. They think "I have a good personality" and expect that to be enough. Well guess what. Any girl would pick a roll in the hay with Hercules over a romp with skeletor. It's just science. Just like I'd rather take Christine to bed than Mother Terresa. I know who has the better pesonality...

And with a couple of hours a week and some dedication, you CAN become Hercules. Pretty simple to me.

You've got to have good looks to be "It". Deal with it.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 15:12
And Drew, you're the best looking man I've ever seen. Why, I've even considered batting for both side, or becoming a cat flap, as it were, in order to get to know the man - the myth - a little bit better.


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I agree wholeheartedly with Benjamin's last post.

Meh. Signatures. Lame :p
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And apparently a few hundred years ago men fancied fat birds (apparently like men in Africa do still). Mainly because they wouldn't die as easily But that effects the mind and they actually fancied the heffas. Ho hum. Heh, I know what Drew is talking about, just being picky, but my point is it also takes lots of different tastes. I know a bird who actual thinks Brad Pitt is ugly and only likes Greek blokes. There is also a seriously good reason why I now have a beard when *no-one* likes it. Apart from one person. That and an old Cosmo article (think about it)...

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I think tha_Rami's last post was the most accurate and truthful post in this entire thread, and I totally agree with it.

However, I don't even see where this is all going. James has told us that he's going to ask her out in person, so I don't really see a reason to turn this into another girlfriend thread (as if it already hasn't...)

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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 16:48
Quote: "And that's where people trip up. They think "I have a good personality" and expect that to be enough. Well guess what. Any girl would pick a roll in the hay with Hercules over a romp with skeletor. It's just science. Just like I'd rather take Christine to bed than Mother Terresa. I know who has the better pesonality..."

You're talking about going to bed now, not what I was talking about.

Maybe I just take the concept of 'love' too serious for most people. Then again, I ain't allowed to have sex before marriage, so I guess it's different for me. If I were to live with either of both, I'd pick Theresa, honestly. Rather a good person that doesn't look good than a good looking person that doesn't fit with my personality.

Based upon my life and my experience with girls, my islamic cultural background, immediatly admitting I might be to young to tell, discussing the subject of love, I say the person inside is a thousandfold more important than the looks outside.

I disagree with Fallout about his yards. I feel it's the opposite: Looks will only get you the first yard. Your personality is what takes you the other 9 yards.

And if she cheats on you because of a 'Hercules', I don't think you can call it love from her side. Love doesn't include cheating. Period.


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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 16:53 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 16:55
...lol
i hope tho when i see them i dont instatly think "im not good enough for her"and back out and just then walk straight pass her not asking her out

she bin out with this person and i just think hell im way better looking than them and better personaltie so wat they got wat i aint probly confidence and they got mates
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Quote: "And if she cheats on you because of a 'Hercules', I don't think you can call it love from her side."

Agreed.

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james hardy
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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 16:56
ye people if they they cared bout you dont cheat
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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 17:01 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 17:02
Quote: "Hair. Find a nice hair color, hair cut, and hair style.
Face. Get rid of pimples, acne, anything along the likes.
Glasses. Try contacts
Clothes. Ask a friend of yours that gets girls what kinda shirts/pants you should wear. Take a look at his wardrobe. DO NOT let your mother or aunt buy your clothes.
Shoes. If you don't got the money for the really nice shoes, your best chance is to get away with nice cheap shoes, or find a store thats on a big sale, and go for the grab with the nice ones.
"

Hah, I failed miserably on all your points (although the acne is subsiding a bit atm), and I nearly never do my hair (plus it's starting to get a bit long) and to answer Aikicats' question: I don't look muscular at all, rather thin and rather long, AND I have a goatee at 18 years old. My shoes have holes in them near my toes, my clothing is the most simple you can find (and all of it is blue), I have glasses and I wore the same glass I had since I was six until I was 16. And it doesn't matter. Really, it doesn't. It just makes it harder to make your first impression worthwhile, but if you do it correctly, take your time and know the girl, looks don't matter.

Ofcourse, working on your looks can never, never hurt. Drew's tips aren't bad at all, they can actually help a lot if you're too uncertain to ask her out - it'll boost your selfconfidence and thát can never hurt (ofcourse, the improved physique might help with your first impression too).

Unless you're talking sex-relationships, but screw those. I think that kind of stuff, however popular it may be in youth culture nowadays, is totally cheap.

Quote: "i hope tho when i see them i dont instatly think "im not good enough for her"and back out and just then walk straight pass her not asking her out"

Hey, it's your life. Your choice. Set your mind to it and promise yourself to do it. Or not. Your choice.


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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 17:05 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 17:07
Edited after reading new posts.

james hardy
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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 17:07 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 17:08
ye i guess your right if i carnt do this now wer will i be
at the moment im going on right road too never havin a girlfriend
and the choice i know i should make and wont to make is too ask them out and i probly should

ye and i personally think too that they have too fancy you for things too step on too next level
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Posted: 13th Oct 2007 17:07 Edited at: 13th Oct 2007 17:10
Quote: "Your partner fancies you more if you get built up. And that means a more fullfilling relationship, if you'd like, or simply getting more girls if you can't be bothered with relationships"

If a girl likes my looks and my body, and then she goes off with someone else because they have nicer looks or a nicer body, then she's not worth it. You have to remember that there's always going to be someone with nicer looks and a nicer body than you, and if you can't trust your girl to not go off with someone else then really the relationship isn't worth much. If you're attractive, that's good, because a girl likes that. If she likes your personality too, then she'll forgot that there are other guys that look better than you do, or at least if she's already your girlfriend.

I don't get why people think there is a "points" system where the more "points" you have the more "lucky you're going to get" with women.

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